Science > Abortion > Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians.
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"Craig Chilton" |
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25 Apr 2004 12:26:58 PM |
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Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
The sensible, fair-minded and tolerant CHRISTIANS in
America want **nothing** to do with the hateful agendas of
the ignorant, PSEUDO-Christian losers of the RRR Cult.
The former comprise about 99% of America's Chrisrians,
and the RRR cultists comprise less than the reamaining 1%.
Some of the 99% *passively* sympathize with some of the
RRR's objectives, but are FAIR enough to not so much as
lift a finger to help them.
And tens of millions of *actual*, non-RRR-cult Christians
are Pro-Choice with respect to abortion, and support the right
of gays to marry their same-sex partners. I'm just ONE of those
tens of millions of people, and i've been setting that example
in here for many years, now.
Please DON'T blame *actual* Christians for the loath-
some and ignorant hatefulness and bigotry of the cultists
who dishonestly pretend to be, or who have been CONNED
into thinking their stance is Biblical.
The Bible appointed NO Gestapo to attempt to enforce
its precepts (or worse, its MISperceived precepts) upon
society in general.
There is NOTHING Christian about the RRR Cult.
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "SPQR" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
27 Apr 2004 08:33:28 AM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<4090f1ea.56453114@netnews.mchsi.com>...
The sensible, fair-minded and tolerant CHRISTIANS in
America want **nothing** to do with the hateful agendas of
the ignorant, PSEUDO-Christian losers of the RRR Cult.
The former comprise about 99% of America's Chrisrians,
and the RRR cultists comprise less than the reamaining 1%.
Some of the 99% *passively* sympathize with some of the
RRR's objectives, but are FAIR enough to not so much as
lift a finger to help them.
And tens of millions of *actual*, non-RRR-cult Christians
are Pro-Choice with respect to abortion, and support the right
of gays to marry their same-sex partners. I'm just ONE of those
tens of millions of people, and i've been setting that example
in here for many years, now.
Please DON'T blame *actual* Christians for the loath-
some and ignorant hatefulness and bigotry of the cultists
who dishonestly pretend to be, or who have been CONNED
into thinking their stance is Biblical.
The Bible appointed NO Gestapo to attempt to enforce
its precepts (or worse, its MISperceived precepts) upon
society in general.
There is NOTHING Christian about the RRR Cult.
Craig Chilton < >
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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So -- tell me -- when do the REAL Christians stand up as a group and
denounce the radical "religious right?" So long as they do not do so,
they are complicit and are sinning by silence.
SPQR
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
27 Apr 2004 11:01:12 AM |
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In article <2baf42ad.0404270533.43f1e5f1@posting.google.com>,
PopUlist349@hotmail.com (SPQR) wrote:
-xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote in message
news:<4090f1ea.56453114@netnews.mchsi.com>...
-> The sensible, fair-minded and tolerant CHRISTIANS in
-> America want **nothing** to do with the hateful agendas of
-> the ignorant, PSEUDO-Christian losers of the RRR Cult.
->
-> The former comprise about 99% of America's Chrisrians,
-> and the RRR cultists comprise less than the reamaining 1%.
-> Some of the 99% *passively* sympathize with some of the
-> RRR's objectives, but are FAIR enough to not so much as
-> lift a finger to help them.
->
-> And tens of millions of *actual*, non-RRR-cult Christians
-> are Pro-Choice with respect to abortion, and support the right
-> of gays to marry their same-sex partners. I'm just ONE of those
-> tens of millions of people, and i've been setting that example
-> in here for many years, now.
->
-> Please DON'T blame *actual* Christians for the loath-
-> some and ignorant hatefulness and bigotry of the cultists
-> who dishonestly pretend to be, or who have been CONNED
-> into thinking their stance is Biblical.
->
-> The Bible appointed NO Gestapo to attempt to enforce
-> its precepts (or worse, its MISperceived precepts) upon
-> society in general.
->
-> There is NOTHING Christian about the RRR Cult.
->
->
-> Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
->
-> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
->
-> INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
->
-> http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
->
-> AND...
->
-> http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
->
-> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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-So -- tell me -- when do the REAL Christians stand up as a group and
-denounce the radical "religious right?" So long as they do not do so,
-they are complicit and are sinning by silence.
qite a few of us do "stand up as a group and -denounce the radical
"religious right? " on a regular and consistant basis.
We just can't seem to get the press coverafe and.or access as the
"religious right:.
When the so-called liberal press wants a "christian" viewpoint, do they
contact the World Coubcil of Churches?
The President of the United Chirches of Christ?
The Society of Friends (Quakers)?
No, they don't contact anyone like them..they contact people like Jerry
Falwell, or Pat Ribertson..the Vhristian Colaition and the like.
We can scream our heads off..and sometimes we do, but even YOU can't hear
us if the press/media ignores us.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
28 Apr 2004 12:22:53 AM |
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-So -- tell me -- when do the REAL Christians stand up as a group and
-denounce the radical "religious right?" So long as they do not do so,
-they are complicit and are sinning by silence.
qite a few of us do "stand up as a group and -denounce the radical
"religious right? " on a regular and consistant basis.
We just can't seem to get the press coverafe and.or access as the
"religious right:.
When the so-called liberal press wants a "christian" viewpoint, do they
contact the World Coubcil of Churches?
The President of the United Chirches of Christ?
The Society of Friends (Quakers)?
No, they don't contact anyone like them..they contact people like Jerry
Falwell, or Pat Ribertson..the Vhristian Colaition and the like.
We can scream our heads off..and sometimes we do, but even YOU can't hear
us if the press/media ignores us.
But then again, what gets the ratings, a moderate christian talking in a
considerate manor over the issues or some nutcase from the right screaming and
whining about every problem they have in the life.
Its the old story, the squeaky wheel will always get the oil and unfortunately
since people are always attracted to the weird and obscure, hence the reason
why the religious right get so much air time.
Mind you, that is the US, in any other country, they're lucky to get a
30minute segment on public television. The last televangelist in NZ was
brought before the broadcasting standards authority and told his anti-gay,
anti-women agenda was completely and utterly inappropriate and that he either
had to fix his "show" up or expect to see his show off the air.
He towed the line, his audiance base shrunk to almost nothing and has now
subsequently been removed from telelevision.
The only thing you now see on TV in the way of religious shows in NZ is
"Praise Be" which is a, IIRC 1hour show, which televises parishes around NZ
singing hymms.
Matt
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a
statistic." - Joseph Stalin
"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." -
Joseph Stalin
"There are no morals in politics; there is only
expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just
because he is a scoundrel." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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| User: "Eric Bohlman" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
27 Apr 2004 03:30:00 PM |
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(Ninure Saunders) wrote in
news:RainbowChristiannohate-2704041115280001@h-69-3-218-136.chcgilgm.dyna
mic.covad.net:
We just can't seem to get the press coverafe and.or access as the
"religious right:.
When the so-called liberal press wants a "christian" viewpoint, do
they contact the World Coubcil of Churches?
The President of the United Chirches of Christ?
The Society of Friends (Quakers)?
No, they don't contact anyone like them..they contact people like
Jerry Falwell, or Pat Ribertson..the Vhristian Colaition and the
like.
We can scream our heads off..and sometimes we do, but even YOU can't
hear us if the press/media ignores us.
I've got a very strong hunch as to why that is. The media have, in recent
decades, gotten extremely lazy and cheap. They expect others to do their
work for them. Why do you think so much time and space is devoted to
coverage of celebrities and entertainment? It's because the celebrities'
PR people deliver pre-packaged, almost-ready-to-run stories to the media,
stories that require only minor editing. Most of what today's media runs
is slightly gussied-up press releases. Even a lot of the news is really
just corporate or government PR (Reagan got to be the "Teflon President"
because the media knew that if they covered him favorably, they'd have a
steady diet of ready-to-run "stories" delivered to them from the White
House at little or no cost).
People like Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, et.al. *know* that. They've got
slick, cheap-to-run "news" packages ready for the media whenever there's a
controversy. Media outlets hardly need to spend any staff time (and
therefore money) to run the RRR response to a story. But the mainline
churches haven't yet bought into commercial PR culture. They've got the
old-fashioned expectation that the media are actually going to have
reporters contact them and do real interviews and shooting. IOW, expect
the media to spend money covering the story. Things ain't like that
anymore.
Covering the RRR's perspective on a story is a simple matter of making a
phone call and then punching a couple of codes into a satellite receiver.
A few minutes later, you've got your footage. Covering the mainline
perspective involves sending out a whole crew, maybe putting them in a
hotel, directing, and editing. All by highly-paid staff. It's an easy
decision for a bottom-liner.
So the problem is really that the mainline and liberal churches have to
start marketing themselves as if they were selling cars or soft drinks.
They have to start doing what used to be the media's work for them. They
can't turn up their noses and sniff that Madison Avenue stuff is beneath
them, or inappropriate for a religion. The landscape's changed. It's
pretty disgusting, but it's the truth. In today's media culture, the only
ways to be a newsmaker are to commit a serious crime or to be a news
producer yourself.
So if, say, the UCC hopes to get its perspective on, say, what's going to
happen in MA on May 17 on national TV, it's gotta be prepared to call the
networks and say "We've got an interview with our president ready to uplink
to you. Here's the password to download all the time codes you need to cut
out our interviewer's audio and video and dub in your own talking head,
and the script for him to read."
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| User: "Matty" |
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28 Apr 2004 12:27:45 AM |
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Eric Bohlman wrote:
RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote in
news:RainbowChristiannohate-2704041115280001@h-69-3-218-136.chcgilgm.dyna
mic.covad.net:
We just can't seem to get the press coverafe and.or access as the
"religious right:.
When the so-called liberal press wants a "christian" viewpoint, do
they contact the World Coubcil of Churches?
The President of the United Chirches of Christ?
The Society of Friends (Quakers)?
No, they don't contact anyone like them..they contact people like
Jerry Falwell, or Pat Ribertson..the Vhristian Colaition and the
like.
We can scream our heads off..and sometimes we do, but even YOU can't
hear us if the press/media ignores us.
I've got a very strong hunch as to why that is. The media have, in recent
decades, gotten extremely lazy and cheap. They expect others to do their
work for them. Why do you think so much time and space is devoted to
coverage of celebrities and entertainment? It's because the celebrities'
PR people deliver pre-packaged, almost-ready-to-run stories to the media,
stories that require only minor editing. Most of what today's media runs
is slightly gussied-up press releases. Even a lot of the news is really
just corporate or government PR (Reagan got to be the "Teflon President"
because the media knew that if they covered him favorably, they'd have a
steady diet of ready-to-run "stories" delivered to them from the White
House at little or no cost).
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of pandering
to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to get the ratings
or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a
statistic." - Joseph Stalin
"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." -
Joseph Stalin
"There are no morals in politics; there is only
expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just
because he is a scoundrel." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
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| User: "Citizen" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
28 Apr 2004 11:33:06 AM |
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Matty wrote:
Eric Bohlman wrote:
RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote in
news:RainbowChristiannohate-2704041115280001@h-69-3-218-136.chcgilgm.dyna
mic.covad.net:
We just can't seem to get the press coverafe and.or access as the
"religious right:.
When the so-called liberal press wants a "christian" viewpoint, do
they contact the World Coubcil of Churches?
The President of the United Chirches of Christ?
The Society of Friends (Quakers)?
No, they don't contact anyone like them..they contact people like
Jerry Falwell, or Pat Ribertson..the Vhristian Colaition and the
like.
We can scream our heads off..and sometimes we do, but even YOU can't
hear us if the press/media ignores us.
I've got a very strong hunch as to why that is. The media have, in
recent decades, gotten extremely lazy and cheap. They expect others
to do their work for them. Why do you think so much time and space
is devoted to coverage of celebrities and entertainment? It's
because the celebrities' PR people deliver pre-packaged,
almost-ready-to-run stories to the media, stories that require only
minor editing. Most of what today's media runs is slightly
gussied-up press releases. Even a lot of the news is really just
corporate or government PR (Reagan got to be the "Teflon President"
because the media knew that if they covered him favorably, they'd
have a steady diet of ready-to-run "stories" delivered to them from
the White House at little or no cost).
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of
pandering to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to
get the ratings or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully
tax payer funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year
and use it to setup a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
I is called PBS Matt.
http://www.pbs.org/
It can be quite good too, unfortunately, watching it is considered to be
a sign of beign boring. They don't generally cater to the short
attention span crowd that only seem to zone in when you talk about
people having sex in trees.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
28 Apr 2004 05:37:27 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:33:06 GMT, Citizen <assimilation66@hotmail.com> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully
tax payer funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year
and use it to setup a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
I is called PBS Matt.
http://www.pbs.org/
It can be quite good too, unfortunately, watching it is considered to be
a sign of beign boring. They don't generally cater to the short
attention span crowd that only seem to zone in when you talk about
people having sex in trees.
PBS is a sad copy of what the BBC is. Too bad the U.S. Government (IE: the American people) don't
care enough to fund it properly.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Matty" |
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29 Apr 2004 09:44:03 AM |
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RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:33:06 GMT, Citizen <assimilation66@hotmail.com> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully
tax payer funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year
and use it to setup a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
I is called PBS Matt.
http://www.pbs.org/
It can be quite good too, unfortunately, watching it is considered to be
a sign of beign boring. They don't generally cater to the short
attention span crowd that only seem to zone in when you talk about
people having sex in trees.
PBS is a sad copy of what the BBC is. Too bad the U.S. Government (IE: the American people) don't
care enough to fund it properly.
James, Seattle
or have one that is publicly OWN and FUNDED like everyother country, heck,
even the State broadcaster for Indonesia has a better public broadcasting service!
Matt
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
28 Apr 2004 08:43:05 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of pandering
to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to get the ratings
or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC. This is a hypocritic puritanical society that
gets so mired down in politics that Americans would never allow "their" taxes to fund an opposing
view.
If you need evidence of that, just look at the NEA (National Endowment for the Arts)... After 20
years of having its funding cut, all that's left is its name and a guy sitting behind a rickity desk
in a bad neighborhood NEAR Washington D.C. Why? Because those damn artists do some art that some
people don't like.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
28 Apr 2004 11:10:04 PM |
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RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "cLIeNUX user" |
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29 Apr 2004 12:13:16 AM |
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RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
Depends how bad the tabloids get. MSNBC, GEABC and so on.
Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party
NPR is pretty close.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Matty" |
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29 Apr 2004 09:42:06 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
Oh comeone, NPR is about equivilant to ABC in Australia, minus SBS. No, the
BBC is in a class of its own, and what is even better, unlike CNN, they don't
have slack jawed yobos with accents that would make blood come out ones ears
after a long period exposed to the voice on the station.
Matt
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
30 Apr 2004 01:14:50 AM |
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Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
Oh comeone, NPR is about equivilant to ABC in Australia, minus SBS.
When have you listened to NPR?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Matty" |
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30 Apr 2004 04:11:55 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
Oh comeone, NPR is about equivilant to ABC in Australia, minus SBS.
When have you listened to NPR?
We get it re-broadcasted in Australia, and no, it isn't up to BBC World standards.
Matt
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
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01 May 2004 12:39:06 AM |
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Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
Oh comeone, NPR is about equivilant to ABC in Australia, minus SBS.
When have you listened to NPR?
We get it re-broadcasted in Australia, and no, it isn't up to BBC World standards.
Didn't say it was. Said it was close. As long as you want US news.
For international news it's pretty limitedm but then you don't have
to listen to a long string British football scores.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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01 May 2004 01:01:57 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c6vd5q$35h$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC,
fully tax payer funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel
each year and use it to setup a properly funded public
broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
Oh comeone, NPR is about equivilant to ABC in Australia, minus SBS.
When have you listened to NPR?
We get it re-broadcasted in Australia, and no, it isn't up to BBC
World standards.
Didn't say it was. Said it was close. As long as you want US news.
For international news it's pretty limitedm but then you don't have
to listen to a long string British football scores.
It should be noted that both NPR and PBS derive only a small percentage of
their funding from the US government (IIRC, it only covers part of the
operating expenses for stations and doesn't cover the cost of program
production at all. Someone described it as "paying for the electricity to
run their transmitters"). Most of the funding comes from foundation grants
and subscribers; many of the foundation grants are actually from
foundations set up by large corporations (not automatically a bad thing,
but I don't want to see it as the only, or dominant, source of funding.
Ideally, IMHO, a public broadcaster would be funded by so many diverse
sources that none of them could exert much influence on program content).
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| User: "Matty" |
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01 May 2004 07:34:44 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC.
NPR is pretty close.
Oh comeone, NPR is about equivilant to ABC in Australia, minus SBS.
When have you listened to NPR?
We get it re-broadcasted in Australia, and no, it isn't up to BBC World standards.
Didn't say it was. Said it was close. As long as you want US news.
For international news it's pretty limitedm but then you don't have
to listen to a long string British football scores.
True, if one were to compare NPR to CNN/Fox, yes, NPR is lightyears ahead. I
don't mind "All Things Considered", they sometimes have some good interviews;
same goes for the "News with Jim Lehrer" (the public TV) which seems to be a
heck of alot more balanced that the crap that CNN/Fox spout out.
Matt
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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| User: "Citizen" |
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28 Apr 2004 12:02:19 PM |
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RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of pandering
to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to get the ratings
or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC. This is a hypocritic puritanical society that
gets so mired down in politics that Americans would never allow "their" taxes to fund an opposing
view.
If you need evidence of that, just look at the NEA (National Endowment for the Arts)... After 20
years of having its funding cut, all that's left is its name and a guy sitting behind a rickity desk
in a bad neighborhood NEAR Washington D.C. Why? Because those damn artists do some art that some
people don't like.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth
Well - we can at least say that americans seem to disagree to a huge
extent, bigger country, bigger disagreements? Consider that. Welcome
to the land of gridlocked politics.
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28 Apr 2004 10:08:49 AM |
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RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of pandering
to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to get the ratings
or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC. This is a hypocritic puritanical society that
gets so mired down in politics that Americans would never allow "their" taxes to fund an opposing
view.
That's a disappointment considering that with the money wasted so far by this
president, the US could have the best public broadcaster on the planet;
funding the best documentaries, comedies (without the need to resorting to
overtly rude language (double entendres)) short features films.
A *REAL* culture in the US would actually develop instead of this plastic
hollow version what we see right now; McDonalds, Coca Cola and the president
with people waving little flags equaling that of what you see in North Korea
when the "Great Leader" visits the "people".
If you need evidence of that, just look at the NEA (National Endowment for the Arts)... After 20
years of having its funding cut, all that's left is its name and a guy sitting behind a rickity desk
in a bad neighborhood NEAR Washington D.C. Why? Because those damn artists do some art that some
people don't like.
And to think that in NZ people complained about $150million a year spent on
the arts. Here we are, 2 years later with NZ dance companies now touring
Australia with sell out crowds. At first I was skeptical when I saw the plan,
but atleast the money is going somewhere it is needed rather than the other
bottomless pits that exist in the governments budget.
Btw, the government is still there, and no complaints have been raised. In
otherwords, the people are happy now that it is $150million well spent.
What I would like to see is another $200million used to fully fund the NZSO
(New Zealand symphony orchestra) and the establishment of a ballet and
operatic company.
Matt
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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28 Apr 2004 05:35:58 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:08:49 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of pandering
to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to get the ratings
or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC. This is a hypocritic puritanical society that
gets so mired down in politics that Americans would never allow "their" taxes to fund an opposing
view.
That's a disappointment considering that with the money wasted so far by this
president, the US could have the best public broadcaster on the planet;
funding the best documentaries, comedies (without the need to resorting to
overtly rude language (double entendres)) short features films.
A *REAL* culture in the US would actually develop instead of this plastic
hollow version what we see right now; McDonalds, Coca Cola and the president
with people waving little flags equaling that of what you see in North Korea
when the "Great Leader" visits the "people".
America loves it's plastic culture. It's a Hollywood set. In this culture, when a building gets 30
years old it's time to tear it down and build something new.
This culture is all about money, and greed, and getting before the other person gets it.
Art, Dance, Music.. you know, CULTURE, are relagated to the dark corners.
When anthropoligists look back at ancient societies, ART is always one of the only remaining
vestiges of that civilization... In America, Who is the 'survivor' or who won the last superbowl
(american football) is "culture".
Yeah, I'm an artist, can you tell? :-)
If you need evidence of that, just look at the NEA (National Endowment for the Arts)... After 20
years of having its funding cut, all that's left is its name and a guy sitting behind a rickity desk
in a bad neighborhood NEAR Washington D.C. Why? Because those damn artists do some art that some
people don't like.
And to think that in NZ people complained about $150million a year spent on
the arts. Here we are, 2 years later with NZ dance companies now touring
Australia with sell out crowds. At first I was skeptical when I saw the plan,
but atleast the money is going somewhere it is needed rather than the other
bottomless pits that exist in the governments budget.
Btw, the government is still there, and no complaints have been raised. In
otherwords, the people are happy now that it is $150million well spent.
What I would like to see is another $200million used to fully fund the NZSO
(New Zealand symphony orchestra) and the establishment of a ballet and
operatic company.
Matt
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29 Apr 2004 09:40:13 AM |
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RainLover wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:08:49 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Hence the reason I've always been happy about having a publicly funded
broadcaster which ensures that it never slips into the situation of pandering
to the lowest common denominator and running shows simply to get the ratings
or advertisers.
Just take the BBC as an example of a broadcaster who produces quality
programming, same goes for Radio Netherlands and DW-TV.
Maybe what the US needs is the American equivilant of the BBC, fully tax payer
funded; take back the $9billion given to Israel each year and use it to setup
a properly funded public broadcaster.
Matt
The USA will never have an equivilant to the BBC. This is a hypocritic puritanical society that
gets so mired down in politics that Americans would never allow "their" taxes to fund an opposing
view.
That's a disappointment considering that with the money wasted so far by this
president, the US could have the best public broadcaster on the planet;
funding the best documentaries, comedies (without the need to resorting to
overtly rude language (double entendres)) short features films.
A *REAL* culture in the US would actually develop instead of this plastic
hollow version what we see right now; McDonalds, Coca Cola and the president
with people waving little flags equaling that of what you see in North Korea
when the "Great Leader" visits the "people".
America loves it's plastic culture. It's a Hollywood set. In this culture, when a building gets 30
years old it's time to tear it down and build something new.
This culture is all about money, and greed, and getting before the other person gets it.
Art, Dance, Music.. you know, CULTURE, are relagated to the dark corners.
When anthropoligists look back at ancient societies, ART is always one of the only remaining
vestiges of that civilization... In America, Who is the 'survivor' or who won the last superbowl
(american football) is "culture".
Yeah, I'm an artist, can you tell? :-)
Oh, of course I could never tell; I assumed you were a bear drinking, burger
eating, republican voting, crutch re-arranging, burbing American ;-)
Its funny, we see yanks here give the Europeans a hard time, atleast when I
did vist Europe, they actually had some culture, heritage and amazingly
enough, people are *PROUD* of their history and culture.
Matt
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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29 Apr 2004 11:48:39 AM |
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Matty wrote:
RainLover wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:08:49 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
<snip>
Its funny, we see yanks here give the Europeans a hard time, atleast
when I did vist Europe, they actually had some culture, heritage and
amazingly enough, people are *PROUD* of their history and culture.
Always fun to see how American behave in Europe. There seem to be two
schools of thought.... be the typical, loud english speaking, camera
toting tourist complaining about the food.... or be in the younger set
which is quieter, polite, respectful of the culture and eager to try
local foods... and often has Canadian flags on their luggage so as not
to admit to being Americans.
Matt
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+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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30 Apr 2004 02:20:38 AM |
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Its funny, we see yanks here give the Europeans a hard time, atleast
when I did vist Europe, they actually had some culture, heritage and
amazingly enough, people are *PROUD* of their history and culture.
Always fun to see how American behave in Europe. There seem to be
two schools of thought.... be the typical, loud english speaking, camera
toting tourist complaining about the food.... or be in the younger set
which is quieter, polite, respectful of the culture and eager to try
local foods... and often has Canadian flags on their luggage so as not
to admit to being Americans.
The best filter against the loud mouths is to have no theme parks. No theme
parks, no loud mouthed, educated slobs. There was a move in NZ to get more
American tourists by setting up a large theme park, it was quickly canned
after the tourism board realised the type of people it would attract; those
who have the least desirable attributes.
What we get in NZ (thank god!) are those who want to climb Mount Cook, bungee
jump etc etc. People with money and able to exist without making a commotion.
Here is a good little thing (which I used to play when waiting at the airline
check in counter), guess where the person is from and watch to see if your
right, 9/10, the family with each member who are built like a brick *****-house
and complaining about the lack of fast food outlets at the airport tend to be
American family on their "vacation over the mystical overseas"; as back up,
then tend to whine, "oh, its different in America". Of course its different,
the US IS different the rest of the known universe; just take electricity,
video format, cell phone network standard etc. etc.
Matt
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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30 Apr 2004 09:26:55 AM |
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Matty wrote:
Its funny, we see yanks here give the Europeans a hard time, atleast
when I did vist Europe, they actually had some culture, heritage and
amazingly enough, people are *PROUD* of their history and culture.
Always fun to see how American behave in Europe. There seem to be
two schools of thought.... be the typical, loud english speaking,
camera toting tourist complaining about the food.... or be in the
younger set which is quieter, polite, respectful of the culture and
eager to try local foods... and often has Canadian flags on their
luggage so as not to admit to being Americans.
The best filter against the loud mouths is to have no theme parks. No
theme parks, no loud mouthed, educated slobs. There was a move in NZ to
get more American tourists by setting up a large theme park, it was
quickly canned after the tourism board realised the type of people it
would attract; those who have the least desirable attributes.
What we get in NZ (thank god!) are those who want to climb Mount Cook,
bungee jump etc etc. People with money and able to exist without making
a commotion.
Money is not the issue IMHO. What any country wants is tourists who
will visit to observe/absorb the local culture and who want to see and
do things that they can not see and do in their own countries. I have
never been a rich person yet I have managed to travel to some
interesting and out of the way places [over 100 countries and counting],
and to sample some amazing food, because I am driven to explore, observe
and experience the world.
Here is a good little thing (which I used to play when waiting at the
airline check in counter), guess where the person is from and watch to
see if your right, 9/10, the family with each member who are built like
a brick *****-house and complaining about the lack of fast food outlets
at the airport tend to be American family on their "vacation over the
mystical overseas"; as back up, then tend to whine, "oh, its different
in America".
What they have not clued into is that the purpose of travel is to
experience the different! Perhaps this is why so many less educated
Americans never venture abroad as the would prefer to visit other US
states so that can safely play tourist without the inconvenience of
different plugs, the water going down the drain the "wrong" way, and
where they can easily find that hallmark of US cuisine... McDonalds.
Of course its different, the US IS different the rest of
the known universe; just take electricity, video format, cell phone
network standard etc. etc.
Matt
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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30 Apr 2004 10:32:55 AM |
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The best filter against the loud mouths is to have no theme parks. No
theme parks, no loud mouthed, educated slobs. There was a move in NZ
to get more American tourists by setting up a large theme park, it was
quickly canned after the tourism board realised the type of people it
would attract; those who have the least desirable attributes.
What we get in NZ (thank god!) are those who want to climb Mount Cook,
bungee jump etc etc. People with money and able to exist without
making a commotion.
Money is not the issue IMHO. What any country wants is tourists who
will visit to observe/absorb the local culture and who want to see and
do things that they can not see and do in their own countries. I have
never been a rich person yet I have managed to travel to some
interesting and out of the way places [over 100 countries and counting],
and to sample some amazing food, because I am driven to explore, observe
and experience the world.
True. When I mean "people with money", in otherwords, they're amble to come
over and enjoy themselves fully in all that is available. Nothing worse than
someone going home regreting that they didn't do something.
Here is a good little thing (which I used to play when waiting at the
airline check in counter), guess where the person is from and watch to
see if your right, 9/10, the family with each member who are built
like a brick *****-house and complaining about the lack of fast food
outlets at the airport tend to be American family on their "vacation
over the mystical overseas"; as back up, then tend to whine, "oh, its
different in America".
What they have not clued into is that the purpose of travel is to
experience the different! Perhaps this is why so many less educated
Americans never venture abroad as the would prefer to visit other US
states so that can safely play tourist without the inconvenience of
different plugs, the water going down the drain the "wrong" way, and
where they can easily find that hallmark of US cuisine... McDonalds.
Reminds me of the American who I spoke to online who never had a Doner Kebab
or a decent curry. I almost fell off my seat. I mean, just go into Wellington,
and you're lucky to find "American cuisine"; its all Chinese, Indian,
Malaysian etc. etc. ;-) People don't want "burgers and fries", thats a "snack"
not a meal. A meal is where you sit down, at a restuarant for 3 hours, eat,
talk, talk and lots more eating.
That was the one thing I've never able to understand with many yanks. Invite
the Europeans around, and the meal lasts for 2 hours, then there is 4 hours of
talking and the party isn't over until 1am, with the yanks, its in, eat and
out before 9pm! what 9pm is just when the evening it getting started! Slow
down, take time to savour the aromas. geeze, with some of them, you'd think
that they've been only given 36hours to live and must maximise their available
time.
Matty
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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01 May 2004 07:35:17 AM |
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Matty wrote:
The best filter against the loud mouths is to have no theme parks.
No theme parks, no loud mouthed, educated slobs. There was a move in
NZ to get more American tourists by setting up a large theme park,
it was quickly canned after the tourism board realised the type of
people it would attract; those who have the least desirable attributes.
What we get in NZ (thank god!) are those who want to climb Mount
Cook, bungee jump etc etc. People with money and able to exist
without making a commotion.
Money is not the issue IMHO. What any country wants is tourists
who will visit to observe/absorb the local culture and who want to
see and do things that they can not see and do in their own
countries. I have never been a rich person yet I have managed to
travel to some interesting and out of the way places [over 100
countries and counting], and to sample some amazing food, because I
am driven to explore, observe and experience the world.
True. When I mean "people with money", in otherwords, they're amble to
come over and enjoy themselves fully in all that is available. Nothing
worse than someone going home regreting that they didn't do something.
Here is a good little thing (which I used to play when waiting at
the airline check in counter), guess where the person is from and
watch to see if your right, 9/10, the family with each member who
are built like a brick *****-house and complaining about the lack of
fast food outlets at the airport tend to be American family on their
"vacation over the mystical overseas"; as back up, then tend to
whine, "oh, its different in America".
What they have not clued into is that the purpose of travel is to
experience the different! Perhaps this is why so many less educated
Americans never venture abroad as the would prefer to visit other US
states so that can safely play tourist without the inconvenience of
different plugs, the water going down the drain the "wrong" way, and
where they can easily find that hallmark of US cuisine... McDonalds.
Reminds me of the American who I spoke to online who never had a Doner
Kebab or a decent curry. I almost fell off my seat. I mean, just go
into Wellington, and you're lucky to find "American cuisine"; its all
Chinese, Indian, Malaysian etc. etc. ;-) People don't want "burgers
and fries", thats a "snack" not a meal. A meal is where you sit down,
at a restuarant for 3 hours, eat, talk, talk and lots more eating.
That was the one thing I've never able to understand with many yanks.
Invite the Europeans around, and the meal lasts for 2 hours, then
there is 4 hours of talking and the party isn't over until 1am, with
the yanks, its in, eat and out before 9pm! what 9pm is just when the
evening it getting started! Slow down, take time to savour the aromas.
geeze, with some of them, you'd think that they've been only given
36hours to live and must maximise their available time.
Matty
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Ahh, we work like dogs over here Matt. By 9 pm everyone is falling
asleep because their company cut staff and they have to work so hard all
day...
I'm with you though, my family background is more European than most,
many of my closest friends have been as well, it seems that we just have
a better time than I do with my fellow americans. As for american food,
you think there is such a thing? Burgers are not exactly my idea of a
meal either...
Friends and I go for Mexican, Italian, Chinese ... Only thing I can
think of off hand that I wouldc onsider to be american is soemthing like
chicken friend
steak at a place liek Applebee's that has a slew of all kind of
mish-mash foods.
Citizen
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
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Citizen wrote:
Matty wrote:
The best filter against the loud mouths is to have no theme parks.
No theme parks, no loud mouthed, educated slobs. There was a move in
NZ to get more American tourists by setting up a large theme park,
it was quickly canned after the tourism board realised the type of
people it would attract; those who have the least desirable attributes.
What we get in NZ (thank god!) are those who want to climb Mount
Cook, bungee jump etc etc. People with money and able to exist
without making a commotion.
Money is not the issue IMHO. What any country wants is tourists
who will visit to observe/absorb the local culture and who want to
see and do things that they can not see and do in their own
countries. I have never been a rich person yet I have managed to
travel to some interesting and out of the way places [over 100
countries and counting], and to sample some amazing food, because I
am driven to explore, observe and experience the world.
True. When I mean "people with money", in otherwords, they're amble to
come over and enjoy themselves fully in all that is available. Nothing
worse than someone going home regreting that they didn't do something.
Here is a good little thing (which I used to play when waiting at
the airline check in counter), guess where the person is from and
watch to see if your right, 9/10, the family with each member who
are built like a brick *****-house and complaining about the lack of
fast food outlets at the airport tend to be American family on their
"vacation over the mystical overseas"; as back up, then tend to
whine, "oh, its different in America".
What they have not clued into is that the purpose of travel is to
experience the different! Perhaps this is why so many less educated
Americans never venture abroad as the would prefer to visit other US
states so that can safely play tourist without the inconvenience of
different plugs, the water going down the drain the "wrong" way, and
where they can easily find that hallmark of US cuisine... McDonalds.
Reminds me of the American who I spoke to online who never had a Doner
Kebab or a decent curry. I almost fell off my seat. I mean, just go
into Wellington, and you're lucky to find "American cuisine"; its all
Chinese, Indian, Malaysian etc. etc. ;-) People don't want "burgers
and fries", thats a "snack" not a meal. A meal is where you sit down,
at a restuarant for 3 hours, eat, talk, talk and lots more eating.
That was the one thing I've never able to understand with many yanks.
Invite the Europeans around, and the meal lasts for 2 hours, then
there is 4 hours of talking and the party isn't over until 1am, with
the yanks, its in, eat and out before 9pm! what 9pm is just when the
evening it getting started! Slow down, take time to savour the aromas.
geeze, with some of them, you'd think that they've been only given
36hours to live and must maximise their available time.
Matty
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Ahh, we work like dogs over here Matt. By 9 pm everyone is falling
asleep because their company cut staff and they have to work so hard all
day... I'm with you though, my family background is more European than
most, many of my closest friends have been as well, it seems that we
just have
a better time than I do with my fellow americans. As for american food,
you think there is such a thing? Burgers are not exactly my idea of a
meal either...
Friends and I go for Mexican, Italian, Chinese ... Only thing I can
think of off hand that I wouldc onsider to be american is soemthing like
chicken friend
steak at a place liek Applebee's that has a slew of all kind of
mish-mash foods.
True, regarding the work, however, I have seen many couples complain about the
lack of "time off" and yet on the other hand, they both want to work long
hours to get the latest gizmos that are available. There is the fine line one
has to draw between living comfortably (pay the bills, and have enough left
over for a little indulgence) and trying to constantly get satisfied by
spending money on the latest thing out.
When I mean a dinner, I mean like on a Friday or Saturday.
Matty
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
30 Apr 2004 06:24:11 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:26:55 -0400, "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote:
What they have not clued into is that the purpose of travel is to
experience the different! Perhaps this is why so many less educated
Americans never venture abroad as the would prefer to visit other US
states so that can safely play tourist without the inconvenience of
different plugs, the water going down the drain the "wrong" way, and
where they can easily find that hallmark of US cuisine... McDonalds.
HEY! Dont' knock McDonalds!!!! My wife and I would NEVER eat at one of the fat-factories, but,
have you ever noticed how their "M" upsidedown looks like like a giant TUSH? Free, clean
(sometimes) toilets in a strange city are worth their weight in first class upgrades.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Matty" |
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01 May 2004 07:32:15 AM |
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RainLover wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:26:55 -0400, "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote:
What they have not clued into is that the purpose of travel is to
experience the different! Perhaps this is why so many less educated
Americans never venture abroad as the would prefer to visit other US
states so that can safely play tourist without the inconvenience of
different plugs, the water going down the drain the "wrong" way, and
where they can easily find that hallmark of US cuisine... McDonalds.
HEY! Dont' knock McDonalds!!!! My wife and I would NEVER eat at one of the fat-factories, but,
have you ever noticed how their "M" upsidedown looks like like a giant TUSH? Free, clean
(sometimes) toilets in a strange city are worth their weight in first class upgrades.
True. I admit, <burst out in tears like a person at an AA meeting> I like
their Apple pies! ;-)
Mind you, for good lunch, nothing beats a Dona Kebab.
Matt
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Don't blame CHRISTIANS for the Hate of the RRR Cult's PSEUDO-Christians. |
29 Apr 2004 04:03:48 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:48:39 -0400, "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote:
Matty wrote:
RainLover wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:08:49 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
RainLover wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:45 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
<snip>
Its funny, we see yanks here give the Europeans a hard time, atleast
when I did vist Europe, they actually had some culture, heritage and
amazingly enough, people are *PROUD* of their history and culture.
Always fun to see how American behave in Europe. There seem to be two
schools of thought.... be the typical, loud english speaking, camera
toting tourist complaining about the food.... or be in the younger set
which is quieter, polite, respectful of the culture and eager to try
local foods... and often has Canadian flags on their luggage so as not
to admit to being Americans.
I've lived around the world and have experienced a lot of different cultures, religions and
politics. While I'm glad to be American, I'm embarrassed by my government.
Sadly, I HAVE 'played the Canadian' when abroad, from time to time, when I wasn't sure of someone's
politcal veracity.
(To all my fellow Americans, please don't respond with "then get OUT of America", it's old and
cliche, and I do my little part to try to make it better. It's just to bad that my 20 years of
traveling and Good Will Spreading about how the American PEOPLE truely are was destroyed within a
month of Bush taking office.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth
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