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"David W. Barnes" |
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25 Nov 2005 06:20:52 PM |
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Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
As usual, Osprey has been shooting his mouth off about things he knows
nothing about. He hopes to claim the economy is, somehow, doing as
well under Bush as Clinton. (He used to claim it is better under Bush,
but even HE knows that will never sell at this point.)
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy
has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several
important economic indicators shows they're right.
Rather than accepting some Right Wing hated filled guards opinion,
consider the opinions of economists Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto.
As they put it: "In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data,
these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly
negative change during President George W. Bush's administration,
compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's
administration."
<http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=107&subsecID=295&content
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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26 Nov 2005 01:58:56 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
As usual, Osprey has been shooting his mouth off about things he knows
nothing about. He hopes to claim the economy is, somehow, doing as
well under Bush as Clinton. (He used to claim it is better under Bush,
but even HE knows that will never sell at this point.)
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy
has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several
important economic indicators shows they're right.
Rather than accepting some Right Wing hated filled guards opinion,
consider the opinions of economists Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto.
As they put it: "In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data,
these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly
negative change during President George W. Bush's administration,
compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's
administration."
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree. You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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26 Nov 2005 02:43:06 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
In the opinion of a majority of Americans, Bush has
cut taxes *Way* too far. I don't know about voters,
but certainly a majority of Americans were against
Bush's tax cuts from the beginning. The deficit
worried people. Clinton had taken it away. The
economy boomed. Most people simply didn't want
to "Mess with success."
One clear example of this was during the Presidential
debates. CNN did the "monitoring" of voters, with a
visual graph of people's responses. Although they
aired precious little of their monitoring, one bit
during the debate was when Kerry renewed his pledge
not to raise taxes on people making under $200K.
*Plummet*!
I know where Kerry is coming from, and I know he
was just trying to be fair, but he simply wasn't
going far enough! People are worried about the explosion
in debt, they're worried about Social Security and they
don't like the services which have been cut... FEMA
being a recent example.
Seriously! Just this month, and on the same day the
Bush administration released a report showing that
hunger was on the increase in America, the Republicans
on the House Agricultural Committee voted to throw
300,000 people off of food stamps!
Going back to before the election, they did things like...
oh, like cut back on Sky Marshals at the same time
the Homeland Security <sic> department was predicting
more hijacking attempts. Then they held a press
conference and said they had no plans to cut back on
sky marshals. Then later that SAME DAY it came
out that they had ALREADY made the cuts the previous
week.
Plenty of money for tax cuts, but no money for security...
Not even the first year of Bush's tax cuts, using just
the actual tax "Rebate" he gave corporations could
have funded enough coal-to-liquids plants to produce
2 million barrels of synthetic crude oil a day!
Hint: The loss of 2 million barrels of crude a day
to the worlds oil markets, after the collapse of the
Shah of Iran, sent shockwaves through the American
economy... sent interest rates approaching 20%.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
26 Nov 2005 10:35:30 AM |
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In article <dm94jv$m6v$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, Malcolm
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
As usual, Osprey has been shooting his mouth off about things he knows
nothing about. He hopes to claim the economy is, somehow, doing as
well under Bush as Clinton. (He used to claim it is better under Bush,
but even HE knows that will never sell at this point.)
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy
has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several
important economic indicators shows they're right.
Rather than accepting some Right Wing hated filled guards opinion,
consider the opinions of economists Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto.
As they put it: "In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data,
these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly
negative change during President George W. Bush's administration,
compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's
administration."
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree. You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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26 Nov 2005 02:40:14 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
Malcolm<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
The big problem is that it makes the deficit too high. In America the poor
don't have too little money in any absolute sense; most Africans would
happily move to America despite not having any realistic prospect of a job
much over the minimum wage.
That doesn't mean that what you say about the effects of the policy is
wrong. Income differentials aren't the number one problem, however.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree.
You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties. The main cause of
poverty is not shortage of opportunities to work, or low wages. It is sexual
immorality. (The person who becomes poor isn't always the person who is
engaging in the immoral behaviour).
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| User: "osprey" |
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26 Nov 2005 03:20:52 PM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmah7d$oom$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
Malcolm<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
The big problem is that it makes the deficit too high. In America the poor
don't have too little money in any absolute sense; most Africans would
happily move to America despite not having any realistic prospect of a job
much over the minimum wage.
That doesn't mean that what you say about the effects of the policy is
wrong. Income differentials aren't the number one problem, however.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public
sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree.
You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
The office of president was created to carry out the law; to provide a
commander in chief of the military forces; to carry out the nation's foreign
policy, including entering into treaties with other nations and appointing
the ambassadors, judges and officials needed for the government to funciton.
In addition, the president must report periodically to Congress on the state
of the Union and may recommend laws Congress should enact. The president's
most important duty is phrased, characteristically, in very general language
requiring that the president "shall take care that the laws be faithfully
executed."
Please show me under the Executive Branch where is says one of the duties
the president has is to manage the economy.
The main cause of
poverty is not shortage of opportunities to work, or low wages. It is
sexual immorality. (The person who becomes poor isn't always the person
who is engaging in the immoral behaviour).
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:38:51 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Consitutions evolve, and are determined by precedent as well as by what is
written down.
Precedent is that one of the US President's duties is to manage the economy,
just precedent states that one of the British Queen's duties is no longer to
protect the purity and weight of the coinage, despite the fact that she
theoretically should keep the pound coin worth a pound of sterling silver.
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| User: "osprey" |
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27 Nov 2005 08:47:58 AM |
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmc2bq$ln0$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to
mange the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Consitutions evolve, and are determined by precedent as well as by what is
written down.
Precedent is that one of the US President's duties is to manage the
economy, just precedent states that one of the British Queen's duties is
no longer to protect the purity and weight of the coinage, despite the
fact that she theoretically should keep the pound coin worth a pound of
sterling silver.
It is NOT one of the Presidents duties.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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29 Nov 2005 10:01:56 AM |
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In article <7qidnZAjLJgjWxTeRVn-jA@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmc2bq$ln0$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to
mange the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Consitutions evolve, and are determined by precedent as well as by what is
written down.
Precedent is that one of the US President's duties is to manage the
economy, just precedent states that one of the British Queen's duties is
no longer to protect the purity and weight of the coinage, despite the
fact that she theoretically should keep the pound coin worth a pound of
sterling silver.
It is NOT one of the Presidents duties.
Maybe we should listen to Osprey on this. He is an expert at "It's not
my job."
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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27 Nov 2005 10:06:25 AM |
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osprey lied:
It
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:51:33 AM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Consitutions evolve, and are determined by precedent as well as by what is
written down.
"evolve" ?
you speak as if these constutions have a life of their own
in the case of the united states the constitution is not worth the
paper on which it is printed due to executive orders and judicial
rulings
Precedent is that one of the US President's duties is to manage the economy,
just precedent states that one of the British Queen's duties is no longer to
protect the purity and weight of the coinage, despite the fact that she
theoretically should keep the pound coin worth a pound of sterling silver.
and there you have hit upon one of the key components in the coming
downfall of the west in toto
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:52:55 PM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote
"evolve" ?
you speak as if these constutions have a life of their own
in the case of the united states the constitution is not worth the
paper on which it is printed due to executive orders and judicial
rulings
It isn't. The supreme court can simply interpret it in a pervese way to get
the law they want.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:16:26 PM |
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In article <dmddc7$klc$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, Malcolm
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote
"evolve" ?
you speak as if these constutions have a life of their own
in the case of the united states the constitution is not worth the
paper on which it is printed due to executive orders and judicial
rulings
It isn't. The supreme court can simply interpret it in a pervese way to get
the law they want.
Or the executive branch could simply enforce it in a pervese way to get
the law they want. Or the legislature could simply write it in a
pervese way to get the law they want.
The important word here is "simply." As in, "Simple minded answers for
simple minded people." Simple minded thinking is the backbone of the
Right Wing.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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26 Nov 2005 04:02:55 PM |
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In article <6PmdnTtnUfjkTBXeRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmah7d$oom$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
Malcolm<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
The big problem is that it makes the deficit too high. In America the poor
don't have too little money in any absolute sense; most Africans would
happily move to America despite not having any realistic prospect of a job
much over the minimum wage.
That doesn't mean that what you say about the effects of the policy is
wrong. Income differentials aren't the number one problem, however.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public
sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree.
You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
The office of president was created to carry out the law; to provide a
commander in chief of the military forces; to carry out the nation's foreign
policy, including entering into treaties with other nations and appointing
the ambassadors, judges and officials needed for the government to funciton.
In addition, the president must report periodically to Congress on the state
of the Union and may recommend laws Congress should enact. The president's
most important duty is phrased, characteristically, in very general language
requiring that the president "shall take care that the laws be faithfully
executed."
Please show me under the Executive Branch where is says one of the duties
the president has is to manage the economy.
Why don't you show us where is says the President is the "commander in
chief of the military forces" as you claim.
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26 Nov 2005 10:36:19 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmah7d$oom$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
Malcolm<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
The big problem is that it makes the deficit too high. In America the poor
don't have too little money in any absolute sense; most Africans would
happily move to America despite not having any realistic prospect of a job
much over the minimum wage.
That doesn't mean that what you say about the effects of the policy is
wrong. Income differentials aren't the number one problem, however.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public
sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree.
You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Section 3. [The president] shall from time to time give to the Congress
information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration
such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Nov 2005 08:47:11 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dmbd43$rjr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmah7d$oom$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
Malcolm<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
The big problem is that it makes the deficit too high. In America the
poor
don't have too little money in any absolute sense; most Africans would
happily move to America despite not having any realistic prospect of a
job
much over the minimum wage.
That doesn't mean that what you say about the effects of the policy is
wrong. Income differentials aren't the number one problem, however.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public
sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree.
You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to
mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Section 3. [The president] shall from time to time give to the Congress
information of the state of the union, and recommend to their
consideration
such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient
WRONG...BZZZZZZ
Care to try again?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Nov 2005 02:22:00 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dmbd43$rjr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:dmah7d$oom$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote
Malcolm<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:
In my opinion Bush has cut taxes too far.
The big problem with his tax cuts are that they redistribute money to
the rich. He cut taxes to the rich, and now needs to start paying that
money back. So he cuts programs to the poor and middle class.
The big problem is that it makes the deficit too high. In America the
poor
don't have too little money in any absolute sense; most Africans would
happily move to America despite not having any realistic prospect of a
job
much over the minimum wage.
That doesn't mean that what you say about the effects of the policy is
wrong. Income differentials aren't the number one problem, however.
However the Catholic church doesn't teach what the American public
sector
borrowing requirement should be, and professional economists disagree.
You
need a politics / economics newsgroup.
We need Clinton back.
You can easily accept that Clinton knew more than Bush about how to
mange
the economy. That's only one of the President's duties.
It is? Please show me where it says that is one of his duties.
Section 3. [The president] shall from time to time give to the Congress
information of the state of the union, and recommend to their
consideration
such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient
WRONG...BZZZZZZ
Keep running, *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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27 Nov 2005 10:05:46 AM |
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osprey wrote:
WRONG
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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26 Nov 2005 05:18:37 PM |
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osprey lied:
Please
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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26 Nov 2005 06:59:31 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:20:52 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <251120051620529240%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
Off topic
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26 Nov 2005 07:48:07 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:20:52 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
As usual, Osprey has been shooting his mouth off about things he knows
nothing about. He hopes to claim the economy is, somehow, doing as
well under Bush as Clinton. (He used to claim it is better under Bush,
but even HE knows that will never sell at this point.)
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy
has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several
important economic indicators shows they're right.
Rather than accepting some Right Wing hated filled guards opinion,
consider the opinions of economists Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto.
As they put it: "In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data,
these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly
negative change during President George W. Bush's administration,
compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's
administration."
<http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=107&subsecID=295&content
ID=252964>
How do you explain the DJIA?
You do know, of course, that we had a recession in 'rat willie's 2nd tern, and
that the stock market started it's downfall during 'rat willie's 2nd term, with
particular emphasis's on the collapse of the NASDAQ false economy.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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26 Nov 2005 08:04:41 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:20:52 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
As usual, Osprey has been shooting his mouth off about things he knows
nothing about. He hopes to claim the economy is, somehow, doing as
well under Bush as Clinton. (He used to claim it is better under Bush,
but even HE knows that will never sell at this point.)
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy
has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several
important economic indicators shows they're right.
Rather than accepting some Right Wing hated filled guards opinion,
consider the opinions of economists Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto.
As they put it: "In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data,
these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly
negative change during President George W. Bush's administration,
compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's
administration."
<http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=107&subsecID=295&content
ID=252964>
How do you explain the DJIA?
You do know, of course, that we had a recession in 'rat willie's 2nd tern,
and
that the stock market started it's downfall during 'rat willie's 2nd term,
with
particular emphasis's on the collapse of the NASDAQ false economy.
They know that, but you will never get them to be honest enough to admit to
it.
You are talking with some of the most dishonest people there could be.
The economy is rebounding, as it was expected to. We had inflation during
Clinton's term, and after inflation comes recession. Fiscal policy kicks in
and it takes a few years but the economy does come back..as we are seeing it
do now. They don't understand how fiscal policy works, why Government
spends so much when Government should be and why Government will cut
spending when Government needs to.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
26 Nov 2005 10:35:33 AM |
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In article <auudnXzWopy19hXenZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:topgo11pla6aj4eqvhadr4pma4ni7vp07b@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:20:52 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
As usual, Osprey has been shooting his mouth off about things he knows
nothing about. He hopes to claim the economy is, somehow, doing as
well under Bush as Clinton. (He used to claim it is better under Bush,
but even HE knows that will never sell at this point.)
According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S. economy
has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of several
important economic indicators shows they're right.
Rather than accepting some Right Wing hated filled guards opinion,
consider the opinions of economists Robert D. Atkinson and Julie Hutto.
As they put it: "In apples-to-apples comparisons of annualized data,
these indicators of the country's economic well-being show mostly
negative change during President George W. Bush's administration,
compared to mostly positive change during President Bill Clinton's
administration."
<http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=107&subsecID=295&content
ID=252964>
How do you explain the DJIA?
You do know, of course, that we had a recession in 'rat willie's 2nd tern,
and
that the stock market started it's downfall during 'rat willie's 2nd term,
with
particular emphasis's on the collapse of the NASDAQ false economy.
They know that, but you will never get them to be honest enough to admit to
it.
You are talking with some of the most dishonest people there could be.
The economy is rebounding, as it was expected to. We had inflation during
Clinton's term, and after inflation comes recession. Fiscal policy kicks in
and it takes a few years but the economy does come back..as we are seeing it
do now. They don't understand how fiscal policy works, why Government
spends so much when Government should be and why Government will cut
spending when Government needs to.
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
I've told you a dozen times. You don't have what it takes to discuss
serious issue. Go away...
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
26 Nov 2005 12:59:46 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are saying.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
26 Nov 2005 01:39:55 PM |
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In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
27 Nov 2005 08:04:19 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:55 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
A most important indicator, the DJIA, says they're wrong in their wrong
direction assessment, and that the economy has been moving in the right
direction.
Do you agree, funny little man?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
27 Nov 2005 12:16:54 PM |
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In article <53fjo1tkmkgcrfp3mme7jmestqn6fb7uma@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:55 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are
saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
A most important indicator, the DJIA, says they're wrong in their wrong
direction assessment, and that the economy has been moving in the right
direction.
Do you agree, funny little man?
The economy is screwed. It will take another Democrat to correct it.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
27 Nov 2005 07:00:43 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:16:54 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <53fjo1tkmkgcrfp3mme7jmestqn6fb7uma@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:55 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote:
In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are
saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
A most important indicator, the DJIA, says they're wrong in their wrong
direction assessment, and that the economy has been moving in the right
direction.
Do you agree, funny little man?
The economy is screwed. It will take another Democrat to correct it.
<LOL> The economy is doing great. The Christmas shoppers have
already shown as much...
--
Steve
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
27 Nov 2005 08:34:49 PM |
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In article <2ckko1ttentf8rka0nlmltb0b3ht04u1as@4ax.com>, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:16:54 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <53fjo1tkmkgcrfp3mme7jmestqn6fb7uma@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:55 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are
saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
A most important indicator, the DJIA, says they're wrong in their wrong
direction assessment, and that the economy has been moving in the right
direction.
Do you agree, funny little man?
The economy is screwed. It will take another Democrat to correct it.
<LOL> The economy is doing great. The Christmas shoppers have
already shown as much...
Low wages, lost jobs, high fuel costs, disposable income is down. Yeah
- great! (For the wealthy.)
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
28 Nov 2005 05:30:05 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:34:49 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <2ckko1ttentf8rka0nlmltb0b3ht04u1as@4ax.com>, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:16:54 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <53fjo1tkmkgcrfp3mme7jmestqn6fb7uma@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:55 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they are
saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
A most important indicator, the DJIA, says they're wrong in their wrong
direction assessment, and that the economy has been moving in the right
direction.
Do you agree, funny little man?
The economy is screwed. It will take another Democrat to correct it.
<LOL> The economy is doing great. The Christmas shoppers have
already shown as much...
Low wages, lost jobs, high fuel costs, disposable income is down. Yeah
- great! (For the wealthy.)
Oh, you're a loser too?
--
Steve
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| Title: Re: Economy has been moving in the wrong direction |
28 Nov 2005 09:47:10 AM |
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In article <plplo15lms60m0urpvuarklqeka10emq5o@4ax.com>, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:34:49 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <2ckko1ttentf8rka0nlmltb0b3ht04u1as@4ax.com>, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:16:54 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <53fjo1tkmkgcrfp3mme7jmestqn6fb7uma@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:39:55 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <b3cho1hrptr4oidfsh8uaotl45lnlqeu8r@4ax.com>, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:35:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
To Osprey, the economists are wrong about the economy and the guard
who
went bankrupt is right.
The economists are not wrong. You just don't understand what they
are
saying.
Here is what they are saying, fruit loop:
"According to public opinion polls, most Americans feel the U.S.
economy has been moving in the wrong direction. Indeed, an analysis of
several important economic indicators shows they're right."
A most important indicator, the DJIA, says they're wrong in their wrong
direction assessment, and that the economy has been moving in the right
direction.
Do you agree, funny little man?
The economy is screwed. It will take another Democrat to correct it.
<LOL> The economy is doing great. The Christmas shoppers have
already shown as much...
Low wages, lost jobs, high fuel costs, disposable income is down. Yeah
- great! (For the wealthy.)
Oh, you're a loser too?
Not "too" but at least you know your lot in life.
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