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"Xomicron" |
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08 Jul 2004 04:56:42 PM |
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Edwards Hurts Kerry Ticket, Bush Now Leads |
Thursday, July 8, 2004 5:23 p.m. EDT
President Bush has opened up a lead over Sen. John Kerry in the latest
voter survey, despite the addition of John Edwards to the Democratic ticket
and 48 hours of non-stop media gushing over the selection.
The new Associated Press poll, released late Thursday afternoon, shows
Bush-Cheney leading Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
The Bush lead represents a five point improvement for the president, who
was trailing Kerry in the same poll before Edwards joined his ticket.
That poll showed a hypothetical Kerry-Edwards ticket at 47 percent and
Bush-Cheney at 44 percent.
In more bad news for the Kerry camp, the new AP poll showed that President
Bush had regained the confidence of some voters on the economy and other
domestic issues.
Typically, a vice presidential selection and the publicity that accompanies
it gives a presidential ticket a significant boost. In 2000, Al Gore's
decision to tap Sen Joe Liberman as his running mate gave the Democratic
ticket a 15-point bounce.
Eight years earlier, presidential candidate Bill Clinton got a 19-point
bounce with the addition of Gore to his ticket.
But with new poll by one of the liberal media's most repsected news
organizations now showing that the selection of Edwards may have actually
hurt Kerry, Democrats have reason to be more concerned than ever about
their prospects in November.
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| User: "Trijcomm" |
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08 Jul 2004 09:09:09 PM |
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But with new poll by one of the liberal media's most repsected news
organizations now showing that the selection of Edwards may have actually
hurt Kerry, Democrats have reason to be more concerned than ever about
their prospects in November.
I don't think they really expected to win anyway.
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| User: "Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0" |
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08 Jul 2004 05:27:25 PM |
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Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked Edwards
because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah funny stuff.
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| User: "Liz" |
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08 Jul 2004 05:57:21 PM |
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On 08 Jul 2004 22:27:25 GMT, (Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0)
in news message <20040708182725.13485.00001138@mb-m12.aol.com> wrote:
[followups set]
Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked Edwards
because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah funny stuff.
Just correcting the ***** contained in the subject line with some
facts.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396311/
An NBC poll released Wednesday found that the Kerry-Edwards ticket got
support from 49 percent of registered voters, while President Bush and
Vice President Cheney garnered 41 percent. Independent Ralph Nader and
running mate Peter Camejo won 4 percent.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/07/poll.edwards/index.html
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, taken Tuesday, found that 64 percent of
registered voters surveyed called the choice of Edwards excellent or
pretty good, while 28 percent termed it only fair or poor.
Seventy percent said they were either enthusiastic or satisfied by the
choice, while 19 percent described themselves as dissatisfied or
angry.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them
as much as you please. -- Mark Twain
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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08 Jul 2004 06:05:20 PM |
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Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
news:t3kre0l2hsnln4m8163gpa050tr9878ln0@4ax.com:
On 08 Jul 2004 22:27:25 GMT, (Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0)
in news message <20040708182725.13485.00001138@mb-m12.aol.com> wrote:
Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked
Edwards because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah
funny stuff.
Just correcting the ***** contained in the subject line with some
facts.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396311/
An NBC poll released Wednesday found that the Kerry-Edwards ticket got
support from 49 percent of registered voters, while President Bush and
Vice President Cheney garnered 41 percent. Independent Ralph Nader and
running mate Peter Camejo won 4 percent.
A new Associated Press poll, released today, shows Bush-Cheney leading
Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
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| User: "KevinXKitchen" |
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08 Jul 2004 08:09:40 PM |
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Let's not argue over polls. They don't mean anything until October anyway.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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08 Jul 2004 08:15:35 PM |
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(KevinXKitchen) wrote in
news:20040708210940.05881.00001610@mb-m05.aol.com:
Let's not argue over polls. They don't mean anything until October anyway.
True.
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| User: "Firelock" |
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09 Jul 2004 09:22:05 AM |
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(KevinXKitchen) wrote in message news:<20040708210940.05881.00001610@mb-m05.aol.com>...
Let's not argue over polls. They don't mean anything until October anyway.
They do affect the behavior of people who don't realize
that the polls are meaningless until October. ;-)
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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08 Jul 2004 07:05:26 PM |
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Xomicron wrote:
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
news:t3kre0l2hsnln4m8163gpa050tr9878ln0@4ax.com:
On 08 Jul 2004 22:27:25 GMT, (Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0)
in news message <20040708182725.13485.00001138@mb-m12.aol.com> wrote:
Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked
Edwards because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah
funny stuff.
Just correcting the ***** contained in the subject line with some
facts.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396311/
An NBC poll released Wednesday found that the Kerry-Edwards ticket got
support from 49 percent of registered voters, while President Bush and
Vice President Cheney garnered 41 percent. Independent Ralph Nader and
running mate Peter Camejo won 4 percent.
A new Associated Press poll, released today, shows Bush-Cheney leading
Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
And people wonder why I say polls are useless.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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10 Jul 2004 12:53:49 AM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40EDE165.A2C996AE@citlink.net...
Xomicron wrote:
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
news:t3kre0l2hsnln4m8163gpa050tr9878ln0@4ax.com:
On 08 Jul 2004 22:27:25 GMT, (Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0)
in news message <20040708182725.13485.00001138@mb-m12.aol.com> wrote:
Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked
Edwards because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah
funny stuff.
That's news to just about everyone else but idiots like
you. It's very obvious that they do like each other. Plus,
they work together very well. The more you make stupic
comments like the above, the more your desperation
shows. Your little tin dictator is about to get his hiney
booted out of the house he should never have been
allowed to live in. And, the fact that his puppet master is
losing popularity even with other Republican politicians
is making them both very, very nervous.
Just correcting the ***** contained in the subject line with some
facts.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396311/
An NBC poll released Wednesday found that the Kerry-Edwards ticket got
support from 49 percent of registered voters, while President Bush and
Vice President Cheney garnered 41 percent. Independent Ralph Nader and
running mate Peter Camejo won 4 percent.
A new Associated Press poll, released today, shows Bush-Cheney leading
Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
And people wonder why I say polls are useless.
I notice that Faux News only showed the one poll that had
Bush in the lead while ignoring all the others that showed
the exact opposite. Rupert Murdoch's orders, no doubt.
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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09 Jul 2004 02:15:36 PM |
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Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message news:<40EDE165.A2C996AE@citlink.net>...
Xomicron wrote:
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
news:t3kre0l2hsnln4m8163gpa050tr9878ln0@4ax.com:
On 08 Jul 2004 22:27:25 GMT, (Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0)
in news message <20040708182725.13485.00001138@mb-m12.aol.com> wrote:
Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked
Edwards because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah
funny stuff.
Just correcting the ***** contained in the subject line with some
facts.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396311/
An NBC poll released Wednesday found that the Kerry-Edwards ticket got
support from 49 percent of registered voters, while President Bush and
Vice President Cheney garnered 41 percent. Independent Ralph Nader and
running mate Peter Camejo won 4 percent.
A new Associated Press poll, released today, shows Bush-Cheney leading
Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
And people wonder why I say polls are useless.
The seemingly contradictory results are irrelevant to their
uselessness. Most of these polls have a confidence interval of about
3%. So, frankly, poll #1 shows a slight lead for Kerry, while, #2
shows them at a dead heat. Since these polls were probably rather
small samples anyway, it's hard to argue that they say anything
different from polls last month or earlier, or anything interesting.
-Hy
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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08 Jul 2004 11:28:35 PM |
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In article <40EDE165.A2C996AE@citlink.net>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote:
Xomicron wrote:
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> wrote in
news:t3kre0l2hsnln4m8163gpa050tr9878ln0@4ax.com:
On 08 Jul 2004 22:27:25 GMT, (Logical Anomaly Ver 2.0)
in news message <20040708182725.13485.00001138@mb-m12.aol.com> wrote:
Oh to be a fly on the wall in team Kerry's office. They only picked
Edwards because of polls....Kerry doesn't even like him! ahahahahah
funny stuff.
Just correcting the ***** contained in the subject line with some
facts.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396311/
An NBC poll released Wednesday found that the Kerry-Edwards ticket got
support from 49 percent of registered voters, while President Bush and
Vice President Cheney garnered 41 percent. Independent Ralph Nader and
running mate Peter Camejo won 4 percent.
A new Associated Press poll, released today, shows Bush-Cheney leading
Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
And people wonder why I say polls are useless.
They aren't useless when used right, but I agree, this one is probably
not of much use.
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| User: "Kronk" |
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08 Jul 2004 07:12:01 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:56:42 -0400, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Thursday, July 8, 2004 5:23 p.m. EDT
President Bush has opened up a lead over Sen. John Kerry in the latest
voter survey, despite the addition of John Edwards to the Democratic ticket
and 48 hours of non-stop media gushing over the selection.
The new Associated Press poll, released late Thursday afternoon, shows
Bush-Cheney leading Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
The Bush lead represents a five point improvement for the president, who
was trailing Kerry in the same poll before Edwards joined his ticket.
First, notice the sample size and the fact that the margin of error
for responses is not only larger than the the supposed drop for Kerry
picking Edwards, it is even larger than the supposed lead of
Bush-Cheney over Kerry-Edwards.
Second, notice that the undecideds are leaning away from Bush, and
that lean reportedly increased with the addition of Edwards.
Third, a minor point, but the 49-45 figure reported above came from
the wrong question.
Fourth, the election isn't being held today.
K.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apelection_story.asp?category=1131&slug=AP%20Ipsos%20Presidential%20Method
6. If the election for president were held today and the candidates
were George W. Bush, the Republican, and John Kerry, the Democrat, and
Ralph Nader, the independent, for whom would you vote? Do you lean
more toward Kerry or Bush or Nader?
-Bush (with leaners), 49 percent (46)
-Kerry (with leaners), 45 percent (45)
-Nader (with leaners), 3 percent (6)
-Don't know-refused, 3 percent (3)
(ASKED IN INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY)
7. If the election for president and vice president were held today
and the candidates were George W. Bush for president and ***** Cheney
for vice president, the Republicans, and John Kerry for president and
John Edwards for vice president, the Democrats, and Ralph Nader, the
independent, for whom would you vote? (If undecided, none or other:)
Do you lean more toward ...
-Bush-Cheney, the Republicans (with leaners), 50 percent (44)
-Kerry-Edwards, the Democrats (with leaners), 46 percent (47)
-Nader, the Independent (with leaners), 2 percent, (6)
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08 Jul 2004 07:25:33 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:12:01 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Fourth, the election isn't being held today.
Very true. But, by the day it is held, Bush will win handily.
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08 Jul 2004 10:47:19 PM |
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"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:12:01 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Fourth, the election isn't being held today.
Very true. But, by the day it is held, Bush will win handily.
I think it's going to be just as close as it was in 2000. The country is
still split down the middle.
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| User: "Kronk" |
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08 Jul 2004 09:33:23 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:25:33 GMT, jimpgh2002
<jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:12:01 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Fourth, the election isn't being held today.
Very true. But, by the day it is held, Bush will win handily.
Could be. I've certainly seen where a major maker of voting machines
has made promises to that effect. But even if he can't win on
election day, no worries. I'm sure they'll have backup plans for
turning it into a win after the fact.
K.
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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09 Jul 2004 06:13:40 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:33:23 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:25:33 GMT, jimpgh2002
<jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:12:01 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Fourth, the election isn't being held today.
Very true. But, by the day it is held, Bush will win handily.
Could be. I've certainly seen where a major maker of voting machines
has made promises to that effect. But even if he can't win on
election day, no worries. I'm sure they'll have backup plans for
turning it into a win after the fact.
K.
You're a very cynical person.
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| User: "Mel" |
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09 Jul 2004 10:59:39 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:13:40 GMT, jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com>
wrote in message <7k9ue09g1n0fk8igrh1nc5paf54fal907o@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:33:23 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Could be. I've certainly seen where a major maker of voting machines
has made promises to that effect. But even if he can't win on
election day, no worries. I'm sure they'll have backup plans for
turning it into a win after the fact.
You're a very cynical person.
a cynical person is a person who has experience of how people with no honour
live their lives.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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09 Jul 2004 11:21:38 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:59:39 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:13:40 GMT, jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com>
wrote in message <7k9ue09g1n0fk8igrh1nc5paf54fal907o@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:33:23 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Could be. I've certainly seen where a major maker of voting machines
has made promises to that effect. But even if he can't win on
election day, no worries. I'm sure they'll have backup plans for
turning it into a win after the fact.
You're a very cynical person.
a cynical person is a person who has experience of how people with no honour
live their lives.
So what's your point?
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| User: "Mel" |
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10 Jul 2004 09:55:45 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 04:21:38 GMT, jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com>
wrote in message <3mrue0hpj3ujtmb5tm94rbfru2muai03bi@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:59:39 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:13:40 GMT, jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com>
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 02:33:23 GMT, (Kronk) wrote:
Could be. I've certainly seen where a major maker of voting machines
has made promises to that effect. But even if he can't win on
election day, no worries. I'm sure they'll have backup plans for
turning it into a win after the fact.
You're a very cynical person.
a cynical person is a person who has experience of how people with no honour
live their lives.
So what's your point?
being cynical is a good thing.
perhaps you are a stupid person?
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member, ATJ regs
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http://www.atjfaq.com/
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08 Jul 2004 09:53:54 PM |
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The press would NEVER lie to prop up George Bush,.......Right?
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:56:42 -0400, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Thursday, July 8, 2004 5:23 p.m. EDT
President Bush has opened up a lead over Sen. John Kerry in the latest
voter survey, despite the addition of John Edwards to the Democratic ticket
and 48 hours of non-stop media gushing over the selection.
The new Associated Press poll, released late Thursday afternoon, shows
Bush-Cheney leading Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
The Bush lead represents a five point improvement for the president, who
was trailing Kerry in the same poll before Edwards joined his ticket.
That poll showed a hypothetical Kerry-Edwards ticket at 47 percent and
Bush-Cheney at 44 percent.
In more bad news for the Kerry camp, the new AP poll showed that President
Bush had regained the confidence of some voters on the economy and other
domestic issues.
Typically, a vice presidential selection and the publicity that accompanies
it gives a presidential ticket a significant boost. In 2000, Al Gore's
decision to tap Sen Joe Liberman as his running mate gave the Democratic
ticket a 15-point bounce.
Eight years earlier, presidential candidate Bill Clinton got a 19-point
bounce with the addition of Gore to his ticket.
But with new poll by one of the liberal media's most repsected news
organizations now showing that the selection of Edwards may have actually
hurt Kerry, Democrats have reason to be more concerned than ever about
their prospects in November.
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09 Jul 2004 01:33:27 AM |
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Xomicron wrote:
Thursday, July 8, 2004 5:23 p.m. EDT
President Bush has opened up a lead over Sen. John Kerry in the latest
voter survey, despite the addition of John Edwards to the Democratic
ticket and 48 hours of non-stop media gushing over the selection.
The new Associated Press poll, released late Thursday afternoon, shows
Bush-Cheney leading Kerry-Edwards by 49 to 45 percent.
The Bush lead represents a five point improvement for the president,
who was trailing Kerry in the same poll before Edwards joined his
ticket.
That poll showed a hypothetical Kerry-Edwards ticket at 47 percent and
Bush-Cheney at 44 percent.
In more bad news for the Kerry camp, the new AP poll showed that
President Bush had regained the confidence of some voters on the
economy and other domestic issues.
Typically, a vice presidential selection and the publicity that
accompanies it gives a presidential ticket a significant boost. In
2000, Al Gore's decision to tap Sen Joe Liberman as his running mate
gave the Democratic ticket a 15-point bounce.
Eight years earlier, presidential candidate Bill Clinton got a
19-point bounce with the addition of Gore to his ticket.
But with new poll by one of the liberal media's most repsected news
organizations now showing that the selection of Edwards may have
actually hurt Kerry, Democrats have reason to be more concerned than
ever about their prospects in November.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4799.shtml
I loved to see Cheney in a French jail!
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| User: "Trijcomm" |
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08 Jul 2004 09:30:35 PM |
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Zogby's poll doesn't indicate much of a bounce either for the Edwards choice.
Not good for the Dems. But then again, I don't think they really planned on
winning anyway. Kerry will make a good run but will eventually fall on his
sword and job to Bush. Of course, that's how the bookers (ie. the media) want
it to be -- a close race that will garner lots of excitement and attention so
they can watch their ratings artificially spike and they can increase the
prices of their ads.
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| User: "maff" |
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09 Jul 2004 02:24:14 AM |
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(Trijcomm) wrote in message news:<20040708223035.19503.00001215@mb-m17.news.cs.com>...
Zogby's poll doesn't indicate much of a bounce either for the Edwards choice.
Not good for the Dems. But then again, I don't think they really planned on
winning anyway. Kerry will make a good run but will eventually fall on his
sword and job to Bush. Of course, that's how the bookers (ie. the media) want
it to be -- a close race that will garner lots of excitement and attention so
they can watch their ratings artificially spike and they can increase the
prices of their ads.
That's what Jefferson Davis also thought after winning several battles.
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