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Escalation Forces Bush to Resort to Recruiting Convicts |
Escalation Forces Bush to Resort to Recruiting Convicts
By Robin Morgan, Women's Media Center
Posted on January 22, 2007, Printed on January 22, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/46922/
Brace yourself. Bush's Iraq escalation, euphemized as "surge," sends
just over 20,000 more troops into that bottomless pit, and flirts
with an invasion of Iran. But because Iraq has depleted our armed
forces -- and recruitment levels plummet as our population wises up
-- Bush's plan requires still more: the entire Army active-duty force
must swell to 547,000 over the next five years (an increase of
39,000), and the Marine Corps grow by 23,000 (to 202,000).
Constitutionally, Congress must approve or disapprove the expansion
-- but one never knows whether this particular executive branch
recognizes that the legislative (or judicial) branches exist.
Meanwhile, Bush simply changes the rules to suit his mad plans,
raising the enlistment age to 42, and removing the cumulative limit
-- 24 months active duty in any five-year period -- for National
Guard Reserve units.
Furthermore, the military will now mobilize units, not individuals,
so soldiers who've completed their duty tours, but, perhaps,
transferred to a new unit, will still be eligible. Never mind how
destructive this is to "family values" or a "sound economy."
Then there's the still-astonishing "moral waiver" -- employed to
produce more cannon fodder. In 2005, already desperate for fresh
recruits, the Army started increasing, by nearly half, the rate at
which it grants what it terms "moral waivers," permitting recruits
with criminal records, emotional problems, and weak educational
backgrounds to serve.
Afterward, if these recruits survive, they'll be called heroes and
released back into society. One returned hero, who credited the
military with having "properly trained and hardened me," was Timothy
McVeigh. According to the Pentagon, waivers in 2001 totaled 7,640,
increasing to 11,018 in 2005.
But those are numbers. How does this play out in lives?
We now know. In March 2006, five U.S. soldiers allegedly stalked,
gang-raped, and murdered 14-year old Abeer Qassim al-Janabi,
slaughtered her family, and burned the bodies. The U.S. military
managed to hush the story up until July, then detained the five,
immediately scapegoating Pfc. Steven D. Green as the "bad apple"
ringleader -- who'd conveniently already been discharged.
Then we learned that Green, a 19-year-old Texas high-school dropout,
had enlisted despite three convictions: fighting, plus alcohol and
drug possession. Once, the Army would have rejected him.
Now, he was accepted, under a "moral waiver." He got "born again"
religiously while being trained to kill legally; got sent to Iraq
with the 101st Airborne Division's 502nd Infantry Regiment; got shot
at; and got discharged for a "personality disorder" after allegedly
leading the Abeer massacre.
Yet according to a January 9, 2007 Associated Press story by Ryan
Lenz, three months before that massacre, an Army Combat Stress Team
in Iraq had diagnosed Green as a "homicidal threat." (We assume they
did not mean he was simply a well-trained soldier.) Green sought
psychiatric help in December, 2005, pleading he was so angry about
the war and so desperate to avenge his platoon friends' deaths that
he felt driven to kill Iraqi citizens.
They told him to get some sleep.
According to medical records obtained by the AP, they also prescribed
"several small doses of Seroquel -- to regulate his mood." Seroquel's
website claims the drug is for "acute mania associated with bipolar
disorder." The next day, Army shrinks sent him back to active duty in
the "Triangle of Death" south of Baghdad.
Three months passed. No psychological follow-up. Then -- eight days
after the Abeer atrocities -- Green was suddenly summoned for another
exam, diagnosed with an "anti-social personality disorder," and
swiftly declared "unfit for service."
An immediate discharge process began. He was shipped home in May,
arrested in June, and moved to the U.S. marshal's custody in
Louisville, Ky. (for proximity to Ft. Campbell). There, in November,
he was arraigned on numerous counts, including premeditated and
felony murder, which carry a minimum life sentence and possible death
penalty.
Green's alleged "followers" face courts martial on various charges,
and they may be allowed to plead to lesser counts and punishments; so
far one has been convicted and sentenced. But Green's trial is
federal, in U.S. District Court, since his well-timed discharge means
he isn't the military's problem. In effect, Green seems to have been
legally triaged.
As the WMC's on-site reporter noted, Green, who pled "not guilty," is
represented only by the Louisville public defenders' office. Yet,
oddly, the prosecution team includes Brian D. Skaret of the U.S.
Department of Justice Domestic Security Section, in Washington,
DC.--a section primarily charged with prosecuting smuggling, border
violations, and foreign nationals accused of supporting terrorists.
Is Washington that eager to ensure that culpability for these crimes
won't be traced back to the Pentagon or White House?
Col. Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, psychiatry counsel to the Army Surgeon
General, defends treatment policies for emotionally or
psychologically distressed soldiers, but won't discuss Green -- nor
will the 101st Airborne Division.
According to documents viewed by the AP, when Lt. Col. Elizabeth
Bowler -- an Army reservist psychiatrist who took over the Combat
Stress Team in January -- recommended Green's discharge, her final
evaluation stated: "Green exhibited no traits that would indicate
dangerously erratic or homicidal moods."
This was after the rape-murders-burnings, and despite Green's cries
for help.
The military -- especially the Army and Marines, with the most
personnel in Iraq -- has been criticized for sending troops diagnosed
mentally and emotionally unfit back to combat duty, often under
medication prescribed for too short a time to have taken effect.
As for moral waivers, instead of dropping them entirely -- as
morality would dictate -- the Pentagon issued new guidelines in
November. Some prevent personnel with certain "pre-existing mental
problems" from deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan (but not elsewhere),
and: "Mental illnesses that are not expected to be resolved in one
year will be cause for discharge."
One year? Green was on active duty for less than one year.
Weep not only for Iraqi civilians. Weep for ourselves.
Social scientists have repeatedly charted how post-war
domestic-violence rates soar, as returning vets (including those who
started out sane) try to cope with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
plus reflexes trained to react with lethal force. Spousal battery,
marital rape, child sexual abuse, child battery, homicides, and
suicides rise precipitously in the wake of wars -- especially those
with intense ground combat and high casualties.
Less than a month ago, between Christmas and New Year's 2006, five
U.S. soldiers committed suicide upon being informed they'd been
ordered to serve an additional tour in Iraq.
Bush keeps warning, "If we don't fight 'em in Iraq, we'll have to
fight 'em here at home." Presumably, he means the pre-U.S.-invasion,
nonexistent terrorists in Iraq, not our own armed forces.
But given his escalation, his hunger to sacrifice more lives, his
extended active-duty tours, and his continuing "moral waivers," what
behavior might we really expect when those 547,000 GIs and 202,000
Marines eventually return home?
And long before then, who will listen to their cries for help, or
monitor what acts they commit -- before they are triaged, discharged,
and hung out to dry?
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46922/
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| Title: Re: Escalation Forces Bush to Resort to Recruiting Convicts |
22 Jan 2007 09:06:10 PM |
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Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more sense
to get something for the peoples' money?
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22 Jan 2007 10:37:00 PM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more sense
to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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23 Jan 2007 11:41:06 AM |
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In news:45b590ec$0$80066$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more
sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on employing
people than on placing them in prisons where they can't contribute to
society?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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23 Jan 2007 11:29:41 PM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more
sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on employing
people than on placing them in prisons where they can't contribute to
society?
Certainly it would be better if YOU were employed.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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24 Jan 2007 07:04:43 AM |
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In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on
employing people than on placing them in prisons where they can't
contribute to society?
Certainly it would be better if YOU were employed.
So you can keep on screwing around like the lazy ***** you are?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Jan 2007 11:23:44 AM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on
employing people than on placing them in prisons where they can't
contribute to society?
Certainly it would be better if YOU were employed.
So you can keep on screwing around like the lazy ***** you are?
Today's random hate spew is brought to you by: John D.Wentzky
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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24 Jan 2007 05:56:51 PM |
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In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars
to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
I made more than $50,000.00 in 1992.
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on
employing people than on placing them in prisons where they can't
contribute to society?
Certainly it would be better if YOU were employed.
So you can keep on screwing around like the lazy ***** you are?
Today's random hate spew is brought to you by: John D.Wentzky
And, where is the hate in that statement?
I thought you were content to be such a person.
Are you departing from the identity you are most comfortable with now?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jan 2007 12:00:30 AM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars
to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
Just curous how much your lunacy is costing me.
I made more than $50,000.00 in 1992.
That was 14 years ago.
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on
employing people than on placing them in prisons where they can't
contribute to society?
Certainly it would be better if YOU were employed.
So you can keep on screwing around like the lazy ***** you are?
Today's random hate spew is brought to you by: John D.Wentzky
And, where is the hate in that statement?
Everywhere.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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25 Jan 2007 08:59:50 PM |
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In news:45b8477e$0$80110$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal
dollars to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
Just curous how much your lunacy is costing me.
In real dollar terms?
Let' see.
I did a fairly quick and rough estimate calculation.
It came to $2.8355555555555555555555555555556e-8 per month.
Or, approximately, $0.0000000284 per month.
I made more than $50,000.00 in 1992.
That was 14 years ago.
Which would be how much now?
Don't you think that $24,000 per year would be better spent on
employing people than on placing them in prisons where they can't
contribute to society?
Certainly it would be better if YOU were employed.
So you can keep on screwing around like the lazy ***** you are?
Today's random hate spew is brought to you by: John D.Wentzky
And, where is the hate in that statement?
Everywhere.
Does your opinion always go against 'whitey'?
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26 Jan 2007 12:16:29 AM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal
dollars to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
Just curous how much your lunacy is costing me.
In real dollar terms?
Let' see.
I did a fairly quick and rough estimate calculation.
It came to $2.8355555555555555555555555555556e-8 per month.
Or, approximately, $0.0000000284 per month.
You're as crappy at math as you are at everything else requiring
thought. With 3e8 people in the country you supposedly are getting
less than one cent per month.
More than you're worth, but not the reality.
I made more than $50,000.00 in 1992.
That was 14 years ago.
Which would be how much now?
$0
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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26 Jan 2007 03:10:15 PM |
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In news:45b99cbd$0$80134$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal
dollars to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it
make more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
Just curous how much your lunacy is costing me.
In real dollar terms?
Let' see.
I did a fairly quick and rough estimate calculation.
It came to $2.8355555555555555555555555555556e-8 per month.
Or, approximately, $0.0000000284 per month.
You're as crappy at math as you are at everything else requiring
thought. With 3e8 people in the country you supposedly are getting
less than one cent per month.
More than you're worth, but not the reality.
With your figure of 3e8 it's like it would take almost 2500 persons to pay
me that one penny per month you mentioned.
1/2500th of a cent per month.
So, in 2500 months u'll be ~208 years of age.
Think you'll live long enough to pay me a penny?
I made more than $50,000.00 in 1992.
That was 14 years ago.
Which would be how much now?
$0
My math is bad?
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27 Jan 2007 12:46:41 AM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b99cbd$0$80134$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal
dollars to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it
make more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
Just curous how much your lunacy is costing me.
In real dollar terms?
Let' see.
I did a fairly quick and rough estimate calculation.
It came to $2.8355555555555555555555555555556e-8 per month.
Or, approximately, $0.0000000284 per month.
You're as crappy at math as you are at everything else requiring
thought. With 3e8 people in the country you supposedly are getting
less than one cent per month.
More than you're worth, but not the reality.
With your figure of 3e8 it's like it would take almost 2500 persons to pay
me that one penny per month you mentioned.
Again, your math is as crappy as everything else you do that requires
any thought. There are 300,000,000 people living in the country.
Count the zeros.
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27 Jan 2007 09:19:26 AM |
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In news:45baf551$0$80101$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b99cbd$0$80134$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b7961f$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b6eec5$0$80076$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal
dollars to house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it
make more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Something like you?
I'm not receiving $24,000 per year from the federal treasury.
$18,000?
No.
$12,000?
If this were the price is right, I would need to say "higher".
Why are you so interested?
Just curous how much your lunacy is costing me.
In real dollar terms?
Let' see.
I did a fairly quick and rough estimate calculation.
It came to $2.8355555555555555555555555555556e-8 per month.
Or, approximately, $0.0000000284 per month.
You're as crappy at math as you are at everything else requiring
thought. With 3e8 people in the country you supposedly are getting
less than one cent per month.
More than you're worth, but not the reality.
With your figure of 3e8 it's like it would take almost 2500 persons
to pay me that one penny per month you mentioned.
Again, your math is as crappy as everything else you do that requires
any thought. There are 300,000,000 people living in the country.
Count the zeros.
To be more exact, it would take you 195.92476489028213166144200626959 years
to pay me one penny using the 3e8 persons figure.
Still upset?
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23 Jan 2007 12:04:44 PM |
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John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more sense
to get something for the peoples' money?
For my part, I would take all these useless, leftist professors (but I
repeat myself) effectively on the public dole taking down a hundred
grand or so for doing absolutely nothing except indoctrinating
bubble-headed dolts out of high school, and send these dysfunctional
traitors to Iraq to serve on the front lines as cannon fodder.
I wouldn't give them real guns, because they'd all faint dead away and
be useless. Instead, I would equip them with broomsticks and send them
in first - make the terrorists waste most of their ammo and then our
"real" soldiers would sustain very few casualties.
Cordially, Cleopatra
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23 Jan 2007 12:11:17 PM |
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Cleopatra wrote:
John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more sense
to get something for the peoples' money?
For my part, I would take all these useless, leftist professors (but I
repeat myself) effectively on the public dole taking down a hundred
grand or so for doing absolutely nothing except indoctrinating
bubble-headed dolts out of high school, and send these dysfunctional
traitors to Iraq to serve on the front lines as cannon fodder.
I wouldn't give them real guns, because they'd all faint dead away and
be useless. Instead, I would equip them with broomsticks and send them
in first - make the terrorists waste most of their ammo and then our
"real" soldiers would sustain very few casualties.
Cordially, Cleopatra
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
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23 Jan 2007 03:52:41 PM |
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IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the planet,
especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts departments. This
would also include the behavioral "sciences" as well. No, these
ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to teach anyone with
more than three neurons firing.
Cordially, Cleopatra
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24 Jan 2007 12:26:21 AM |
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"Cleopatra" <cleopatra@pookmail.com> writes:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the planet,
especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts departments. This
would also include the behavioral "sciences" as well. No, these
ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to teach anyone with
more than three neurons firing.
Since you don't qualify for even that modest accomplishment, Amanda, I
appreciate your explanation of why you're the crackpot you are online.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (OT) (January 23)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, January 24 at Worcester, 6:05
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24 Jan 2007 07:11:13 AM |
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In news:szkodopq6sy.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"Cleopatra" <cleopatra@pookmail.com> writes:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the
planet, especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts
departments. This would also include the behavioral "sciences" as
well. No, these ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to
teach anyone with more than three neurons firing.
Since you don't qualify for even that modest accomplishment, Amanda, I
appreciate your explanation of why you're the crackpot you are online.
You're outclassed, PLH.
Remember, you are a 'women's rights' supporter.
Why is it you even go against women who are engaging in FREE and PROTECTED
SPEECH?
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24 Jan 2007 08:28:35 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szkodopq6sy.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"Cleopatra" <cleopatra@pookmail.com> writes:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the
planet, especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts
departments. This would also include the behavioral "sciences" as
well. No, these ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to
teach anyone with more than three neurons firing.
Since you don't qualify for even that modest accomplishment, Amanda, I
appreciate your explanation of why you're the crackpot you are online.
You're outclassed, PLH.
Not by you *or* Amanda. Both of you have more than a few screws loose in your
heads.
Remember, you are a 'women's rights' supporter.
Remember, you don't understand much of what you read.
Why is it you even go against women who are engaging in FREE and PROTECTED
SPEECH?
Why did you choose insanity?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (OT) (January 23)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, January 24 at Worcester, 6:05
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24 Jan 2007 07:28:59 AM |
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Cleopatra wrote:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the planet,
especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts departments. This
would also include the behavioral "sciences" as well. No, these
ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to teach anyone with
more than three neurons firing.
Cordially, Cleopatra
Even if that was true, it would only mean that they
still have a thing or two to teach you.
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24 Jan 2007 07:10:15 AM |
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In news:1169589161.431968.245620@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
Cleopatra <cleopatra@pookmail.com> typed:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the
planet, especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts
departments. This would also include the behavioral "sciences" as
well. No, these ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to
teach anyone with more than three neurons firing.
Cordially, Cleopatra
I guess they willingly particpated in sexual acts with their parents and
other persons, including church clergy when they were underage, and that is
why, rather than admitting it, they started lying, and got off on being paid
to throw their lover in jail, and saying they were sexually abused as
children and why they tell all underage persons who were willing
participants in some sexual activity that they also were sexually abused by
the other party who meant them no harm at all in order to siphon more and
more money off the tax payers to fund their own drolling pockets with public
wealth.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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24 Jan 2007 11:24:49 AM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:1169589161.431968.245620@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
Cleopatra <cleopatra@pookmail.com> typed:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable indicator,
professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people on the
planet, especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts
departments. This would also include the behavioral "sciences" as
well. No, these ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to
teach anyone with more than three neurons firing.
Cordially, Cleopatra
I guess they willingly particpated in sexual acts with their parents and
other persons, including church clergy when they were underage, and that is
why, rather than admitting it, they started lying, and got off on being paid
You hate the idea that women are having sex, and not with you.
Maybe if you weren't such a ***** loser...
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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24 Jan 2007 05:59:49 PM |
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In news:45b79661$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:1169589161.431968.245620@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
Cleopatra <cleopatra@pookmail.com> typed:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable
indicator, professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people
on the planet, especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts
departments. This would also include the behavioral "sciences" as
well. No, these ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to
teach anyone with more than three neurons firing.
Cordially, Cleopatra
I guess they willingly particpated in sexual acts with their parents
and other persons, including church clergy when they were underage,
and that is why, rather than admitting it, they started lying, and
got off on being paid
You hate the idea that women are having sex, and not with you.
I wasn't aware of that.
Did you somehow get a transmission from scientologist's headquarters to tell
me that?
Maybe if you weren't such a ***** loser...
And, why do you think my ***** is fat?
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25 Jan 2007 12:01:06 AM |
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John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:45b79661$0$80079$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> typed:
John D.Wentzky <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
In news:1169589161.431968.245620@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
Cleopatra <cleopatra@pookmail.com> typed:
IAAH wrote:
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Twinky, if ones uses wisdom and common sense as a reliable
indicator, professors on the whole are amongst the stupidest people
on the planet, especially those in the Education and Liberal Arts
departments. This would also include the behavioral "sciences" as
well. No, these ill-tutored ignoramuses have absolutely nothing to
teach anyone with more than three neurons firing.
Cordially, Cleopatra
I guess they willingly particpated in sexual acts with their parents
and other persons, including church clergy when they were underage,
and that is why, rather than admitting it, they started lying, and
got off on being paid
You hate the idea that women are having sex, and not with you.
I wasn't aware of that.
LOL! You being unaware is like the Pacific being wet.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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24 Jan 2007 07:06:49 AM |
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In news:45b64d9a$0$31123$88260bb3@news.teranews.com,
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> typed:
Cleopatra wrote:
John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make
more sense to get something for the peoples' money?
For my part, I would take all these useless, leftist professors (but
I repeat myself) effectively on the public dole taking down a hundred
grand or so for doing absolutely nothing except indoctrinating
bubble-headed dolts out of high school, and send these dysfunctional
traitors to Iraq to serve on the front lines as cannon fodder.
I wouldn't give them real guns, because they'd all faint dead away
and be useless. Instead, I would equip them with broomsticks and
send them in first - make the terrorists waste most of their ammo
and then our "real" soldiers would sustain very few casualties.
Cordially, Cleopatra
Now, now, Cleo. Just because no professor can penetrate
that skull of yours to teach you anything doesn't mean
that people with IQs sufficient to tie their own shoes
can't benefit.
Gay insult?
Why is it so many gays and pro-choicers are so god damned lazy they can't
actually come up with anything that sticks?
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24 Jan 2007 07:06:02 AM |
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In news:1169575484.199512.55260@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com,
Cleopatra <cleopatra@pookmail.com> typed:
John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more
sense to get something for the peoples' money?
For my part, I would take all these useless, leftist professors (but I
repeat myself) effectively on the public dole taking down a hundred
grand or so for doing absolutely nothing except indoctrinating
bubble-headed dolts out of high school, and send these dysfunctional
traitors to Iraq to serve on the front lines as cannon fodder.
I wouldn't give them real guns, because they'd all faint dead away and
be useless. Instead, I would equip them with broomsticks and send them
in first - make the terrorists waste most of their ammo and then our
"real" soldiers would sustain very few casualties.
Cordially, Cleopatra
Glad to see that someone with a brain knows about the incarceration for
dollars project in the USA.
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24 Jan 2007 07:35:31 AM |
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John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more sense
to get something for the peoples' money?
Yeah Right....Take criminals (with no morals) then teach them all that
killing *****,THEN subject them to combat stress (that can screwup a
normal person), and then they can come home and say go up into a tall
building and start shooting everyone or build truck bombs to blowup
buildings?
I mean JESUS what the ***** are you using for a brain Johnny D?
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24 Jan 2007 06:03:02 PM |
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In news:1169645731.025449.282490@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com,
Tab <tabernacle2002@hotmail.com> typed:
John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to
house state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more
sense to get something for the peoples' money?
Yeah Right....Take criminals (with no morals) then teach them all that
killing *****,THEN subject them to combat stress (that can screwup a
normal person), and then they can come home and say go up into a tall
building and start shooting everyone or build truck bombs to blowup
buildings?
I mean JESUS what the ***** are you using for a brain Johnny D?
You wanna do it or your children or someone else's children?
Any more suggestions?
You got a better plan for spending tax dollars wisely instead of turning the
USA into a prison state?
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24 Jan 2007 08:38:57 AM |
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On Jan 24, 8:35 am, "Tab" <tabernacle2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
John D.Wentzky wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
At $24,000 federal per year per state prisoner, doesn't it make more sense
to get something for the peoples' money?Yeah Right....Take criminals (with no morals) then teach them all that
killing *****,THEN subject them to combat stress (that can screwup a
normal person), and then they can come home and say go up into a tall
building and start shooting everyone or build truck bombs to blowup
buildings?
I mean JESUS what the ***** are you using for a brain Johnny D?
Criminals are at no higher risk of being "screwed" up from combat than
anyone else who hasn't committed a crime.
There is nothing wrong with the military recruiting a person who might
have a "minor" record, and I stress MINOR. I am not talking about
recruiting rapist, murderers, or someone who might have committed a UCR
index crime.
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23 Jan 2007 01:49:00 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:06:10 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote:
Does this mean President Bush is tired of paying federal dollars to house
state inmates every year?
No. He's recruiting ex-convicts.
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