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Babies 'designed' to be free of disease
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 14/11/2006 | Richard Alleyne
Posted on 11/14/2006 12:47:07 AM PST by Mrs Ivan
Two babies have become the first in the world to be born after their
mother underwent a screening process pioneered in Britain to ensure
that they were clear of an inherited disease.
Freddie and Thomas Greenstreet's parents both carry genes that made it
likely that their children would be born with a rare form of cystic
fibrosis, a debilitating, inherited condition from which their first
daughter suffers.
But the new technique allows embryos to be screened and only the
healthy ones used for IVF. Screening has been used regularly in the
past for people having IVF but doctors at Guy's Hospital, London, have
refined the procedure so that a much wider number of inherited diseases
can be detected.
Using the technique - known as pre-implantation genetic haplotyping
(PGH) - doctors can develop tests for up to 6,000 conditions.
Catherine Greenstreet, 38, a physiotherapist from Chiswick, west
London, said: "The whole family is very excited about the arrival of
Freddie and Thomas. The odds of getting pregnant were lower having had
the PGH than with standard IVF but I didn't want to have normal IVF and
then find I was carrying a child with cystic fibrosis.
"It was so reassuring to know that we would not have to deal with it."
Mrs Greenstreet defended her decision to reject the imperfect embryos
and criticism that the technique would lead to "designer babies".
She said she and husband Jim, 41, did not want to repeat the experience
of caring for a seriously ill child.
"Unless you have lived with a child that has a terrible disability or
disease then you can't speak about it," she said. "Who can criticise
you for trying to get rid of horrible diseases? Why would you want to
see people suffer? When you have got these lovely healthy babies in
your arms it dampens all the pain we went through. They are designer
babies but they are designed for the good of mankind."
Mrs Greenstreet and her husband, who works in corporate finance,
already have five-year-old twins, William and Lizzie.
Lizzie has cystic fibrosis, which causes severe respiratory problems
and limits life expectancy.
William has not got the disease but may be carrying the faulty genes.
Opponents of genetic screening argue that disabled babies can have a
good quality of life and screening for any reason is the start of a
slippery slope towards parents choosing eye colour or other
characteristics.
But having witnessed Lizzie's struggles, the Greenstreets decided to
have the treatment at Guy's Hospital.
PGH is the latest derivative of the preimplantation genetic diagnosis
(PGD) technique from which 100 couples have already benefited at the
hospital.
Alison Lashwood, a consultant nurse in genetics, said: "It is fantastic
to have helped so many couples who were carrying genes for serious
genetic disorders to have the babies they thought they could never
have.
"We are very proud of this achievement and, as one of the biggest and
most advanced centres in Europe, we hope we can help many more couples
in the future."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Nov 2006 09:36:58 AM |
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On 15 Nov 2006 02:07:39 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Two babies have become the first in the world to be born after their
mother underwent a screening process pioneered in Britain to ensure
that they were clear of an inherited disease.
Freddie and Thomas Greenstreet's parents both carry genes that made it
likely that their children would be born with a rare form of cystic
fibrosis, a debilitating, inherited condition from which their first
daughter suffers.
But the new technique allows embryos to be screened and only the
healthy ones used for IVF. Screening has been used regularly in the
past for people having IVF but doctors at Guy's Hospital, London, have
refined the procedure so that a much wider number of inherited diseases
can be detected.
Isn't science wonderful? Or is it the goal of religion to make sure
that babies are born with more genetic defects than just the religion
gene?
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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15 Nov 2006 12:11:26 PM |
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In article <9ucml2lookiiroh5kigfstui0u2fghmeca@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 15 Nov 2006 02:07:39 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Two babies have become the first in the world to be born after their
mother underwent a screening process pioneered in Britain to ensure
that they were clear of an inherited disease.
Freddie and Thomas Greenstreet's parents both carry genes that made it
likely that their children would be born with a rare form of cystic
fibrosis, a debilitating, inherited condition from which their first
daughter suffers.
But the new technique allows embryos to be screened and only the
healthy ones used for IVF. Screening has been used regularly in the
past for people having IVF but doctors at Guy's Hospital, London, have
refined the procedure so that a much wider number of inherited diseases
can be detected.
Isn't science wonderful? Or is it the goal of religion to make sure
that babies are born with more genetic defects than just the religion
gene?
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics Alive And Well: British Babies Designed To Be Free Of Disease |
15 Nov 2006 01:25:17 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <9ucml2lookiiroh5kigfstui0u2fghmeca@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 15 Nov 2006 02:07:39 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Two babies have become the first in the world to be born after their
mother underwent a screening process pioneered in Britain to ensure
that they were clear of an inherited disease.
Freddie and Thomas Greenstreet's parents both carry genes that made it
likely that their children would be born with a rare form of cystic
fibrosis, a debilitating, inherited condition from which their first
daughter suffers.
But the new technique allows embryos to be screened and only the
healthy ones used for IVF. Screening has been used regularly in the
past for people having IVF but doctors at Guy's Hospital, London, have
refined the procedure so that a much wider number of inherited diseases
can be detected.
Isn't science wonderful? Or is it the goal of religion to make sure
that babies are born with more genetic defects than just the religion
gene?
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
Then let's make abortion REALLY painful for the fetus, is what they're
saying. Sick people.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them.
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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15 Nov 2006 06:11:23 PM |
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In article <mbqml2hc6a1h05psolu3raerfh9jasbilu@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <9ucml2lookiiroh5kigfstui0u2fghmeca@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On 15 Nov 2006 02:07:39 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@myway.com> wrote:
Two babies have become the first in the world to be born after their
mother underwent a screening process pioneered in Britain to ensure
that they were clear of an inherited disease.
Freddie and Thomas Greenstreet's parents both carry genes that made it
likely that their children would be born with a rare form of cystic
fibrosis, a debilitating, inherited condition from which their first
daughter suffers.
But the new technique allows embryos to be screened and only the
healthy ones used for IVF. Screening has been used regularly in the
past for people having IVF but doctors at Guy's Hospital, London, have
refined the procedure so that a much wider number of inherited diseases
can be detected.
Isn't science wonderful? Or is it the goal of religion to make sure
that babies are born with more genetic defects than just the religion
gene?
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
Then let's make abortion REALLY painful for the fetus, is what they're
saying. Sick people.
t
• Bad news: There is no brain with which to feel pain until the 3rd trimester.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics Alive And Well: British Babies Designed To Be Free Of Disease |
15 Nov 2006 07:32:10 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:11:23 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <mbqml2hc6a1h05psolu3raerfh9jasbilu@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
Then let's make abortion REALLY painful for the fetus, is what they're
saying. Sick people.
• Bad news: There is no brain with which to feel pain until the 3rd trimester.
That's the point. :(
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics Alive And Well: British Babies Designed To Be Free Of Disease |
16 Nov 2006 03:50:03 AM |
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In article <1sfnl2pgh2hbvsuaqmfgfkdeh87d2q4vtm@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:11:23 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <mbqml2hc6a1h05psolu3raerfh9jasbilu@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
Then let's make abortion REALLY painful for the fetus, is what they're
saying. Sick people.
• Bad news: There is no brain with which to feel pain until the 3rd
trimester.
That's the point. :(
• I saw no mention of the semester in which abortion took place.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Eugenics Alive And Well: British Babies Designed To Be Free Of Disease |
16 Nov 2006 09:27:26 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:50:03 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <1sfnl2pgh2hbvsuaqmfgfkdeh87d2q4vtm@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:11:23 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <mbqml2hc6a1h05psolu3raerfh9jasbilu@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
Then let's make abortion REALLY painful for the fetus, is what they're
saying. Sick people.
• Bad news: There is no brain with which to feel pain until the 3rd
trimester.
That's the point. :(
• I saw no mention of the semester in which abortion took place.
If they want suffering they're saying that all abortions should wait
until the fetus can suffer.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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16 Nov 2006 11:45:47 AM |
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In article <np0pl2hllpfnc2vhns8lnjftfl210cdmvn@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:50:03 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <1sfnl2pgh2hbvsuaqmfgfkdeh87d2q4vtm@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:11:23 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
In article <mbqml2hc6a1h05psolu3raerfh9jasbilu@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:11:26 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• Since God's Holy Church teaches that suffering is one of the
paths to
Salvaton, a torturous hereditary disease could easily mean the
difference
between Heaven and eternal torture in Hell.
Then let's make abortion REALLY painful for the fetus, is what they're
saying. Sick people.
• Bad news: There is no brain with which to feel pain until the 3rd
trimester.
That's the point. :(
• I saw no mention of the semester in which abortion took place.
If they want suffering they're saying that all abortions should wait
until the fetus can suffer.
• Agreed, but pro-life is undoubtedly far, far away from pro-thinking and
using their own judgement.
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
(page 77, *A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion*, Fr. Joseph De
Harbe, S.J.)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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16 Nov 2006 02:13:04 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:45:47 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• Agreed, but pro-life is undoubtedly far, far away from pro-thinking and
using their own judgement.
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
(page 77, *A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion*, Fr. Joseph De
Harbe, S.J.)
I would have said something like "they aren't allowed to", but Fr. De
Harbe said it for me. Of course, almost anything can be made "a
matter of faith".
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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16 Nov 2006 03:15:22 PM |
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In article <7ehpl2dnk70o1jp7151jav1c7m09a4qhjn@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:45:47 -0800, (•R L Measures) wrote:
• Agreed, but pro-life is undoubtedly far, far away from pro-thinking and
using their own judgement.
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
(page 77, *A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion*, Fr. Joseph De
Harbe, S.J.)
I would have said something like "they aren't allowed to", but Fr. De
Harbe said it for me. Of course, almost anything can be made "a
matter of faith".
• Even "use a condom, burn in Hell".
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