On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:18:08 GMT,
PHONY-pastor Dave wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

Hopefully, he'll turn out to be convicted and get to ROT for
a nice LONG term in prison.

As a person who had NO regard for individual liberties, that'd
be a VERY fitting outcome for him.

So, that's what it's come to. You want those with whom you
disagree to be put in prison? Guilty until proven innocent?

No. I'd FIRST throw him out of Congress for his proven bigotry
and hateful stances against human and civil rights.

"First"? That means that you would do what was described
after that.

No. Then I'd let justice take its usual course.

(Do you DEPEND on dishonestly putting other words
in people's mouths?)

Where is the "individual liberties" for him to be
innocent until proven guilty?

See above.

The fact is, you're trying to crush a man, to promote fornication.

Wrong. I'm doing whatever I legally can to help crush all forms of
BIGOTRY against personal liberties that are no one else's business
than that of the people enjoying them. DeLay is a self-proven bigot,
and I won't feel a bit sorry for him if he ends up rotting in jail for also
having been a corrupt politician.

And... BTW -- fornication on the part of others is NONE of your
business. When a girlfriend of yours kicks you out of bed, then you
can feel free to WHINE all you want. (But don't do it to US -- because
that eventuality would be absolutely none of OUR business. And
because most of us are a whole lot smarter than you are, in that regard,
it wouldn't make a whit of difference to us, either. The perceived color
of clouds at sunset would be far more significant.)

Where is your "fair minded" philosophy?

DeLay is a bigot. So I don't give a rat's ***** if he gets the book
thrown at him (other than *enjoying* that a whole lot). If he does,
at the hands of our justice system, then he was treated fairly.

What happened to free speech and freedom to believe
as one wishes and the freedom to vote and act politically, as
one believes?

I stand firmly behind those liberties. And when one ABUSES them,
as DeLay has done in congress with respect to his seeking to deprive
people of other liberties, then we have the right to chuck him out of
office. Fortunately, his own dishonest screwups appear to be saving
us the trouble.

How is it "fair minded" to try to squash ideas, when that stands
against the 1st Amendment, which is the only reason you
are able to say what you're saying now?

I've done NOTHING to "squash ideas." But I've done much to
expose mindless bigotry, and help it to have less chance at success,
politically. That's being a **responsible** citizen.

And what about the people spreading hate by spreading
diseases with their, "harmless fun"?

Accidental transmission of an STD by not practicing Safe Sex
is "hate?" Wrong. Try "carelessness."

What about the money they have cost us, with their "harmless
fun"?

Not DIDDLY, compared to the $200 BILLION that our Warmonger-
in-Thief successor to Pol Pot's mass murdering streak has cost the USA
by throwing OUR tax dollars down an Iraqi RATHOLE!

I'll GLADLY see my tax money spent of defending our personal
liberties 'WAY before I'd waste one red cent of it in bush's murderous
and illegal, undeclared "war." And the table have turned on Bush.
Fully 2/3 of Americans no longer want any part of it, either. America
FINALLY is wising up!

And Craig, what about the "individual liberties" of
those who end up paying for their "harmless fun"?

That you could possibly be so utterly STUPID as to **whine**
about casual sex (which usually IS harmless fun -- especially for
those who practice Safe Sex well, and thus suffer NONE of those
"consequences" that you so hatefully and mindlessly root for),
INSTEAD of castigating Bush for REALLY wasting our money -- is
nothing short of AMAZING. You truly *are* a complete jackass.
FACT. And you just keep right on PROVING it.

And Craig, what about the "individual liberties" of those who
end up dying, even when protection was used, because of their
"harmless fun", ....

NO different from those who get involved in auto accidents
even though practicing Defensive Driving. It's called bad luck.
Want to come down on *driving*, now? Because that is an
absolutely EQUIVALENT analogy. Thus, you are being stupid
if you whine about either one!

including those who weren't even involved in the sex act?

NO one dies from casual sex if they weren't involved in it, idiot.

What about all of those "individual liberties, Craig?
Where is your "fair minded" philosophy for them?

See above. (But meanwhile, THANKS for your contribution
to society's seeing just how LOONY you RRR cultists are. It's
good to have a constant reminder of that, to **counter** the
mindless hate-propaganda that your ilk spews.

These are questions that need answers honest answers, Craig.

And I GAVE 'em to you. Thus making dog meat of your lunacy.

Not you calling people names...

I don't do that. I employ **accurate descriptors**, and then only
AFTER the person/philosophy/bigoted-agenda/etc. first has/have
**earned** them, publicly.

...and acting as if you are God...

I have a perfect right to say or do ANYTHING that is legal, so
get screwed, Dave. (If you can find a hag that would have you.)

...and have nothing to answer for, when you espouse ideas
that blatantly contradict the foundation of the free exchange
of ideas, that our forefathers fought and died for,

Bullcrap!!! I have *never* stood in the way of either you, or any
other person in here who happens to be bigoted against personal
liberties, from making a total fool of him/herself. In fact, I **WELCOME**
that. The more that the RRR cult proves that its loathsome agendas
are supported by equally-loathsome and hateful (not to mention
profoundly-ignorant) losers, the SOONER society will launch a back-
lash against them and REJECT them, just as happened to the
equally-hateful and moronic segregationists.

So i have NOTHING to "answer for."

I am proud to be on the front lines of the egalitarians who are
ensuring that we will ALWAYS retain (and where necessary,
gain -- as in the case of fully legalized same-sex marriage, world-
wide) ALL of our personal freedoms/rights/liberties. Despite the
whinings of such losers as you.

...just so people like you, who oppose what the majority
of Americans believe in, can type freely in here?

The majority of Americans used to support Bush's murderous war.
Two-to-one. Now it's 2-to-1 *against* him. Society OUTGROWS its
stupidities and bigotries. In 1960, the number of people who suppor-
ted the right of same-sex couples was at least 90% against. Now it's
approaching 50%, and climbing. Soon, THEY will properly comprise
the majority, and yet **another** manifestation of hate and bigotry will
be relegated to EXTINCTION, where it belongs, to moulder into dust
right alongside the agenda of the segregationists.

You claim to be "fair minded", yet advocate the quashing of
any ideas that don't mirror your own.

Wrong. I advocate the permanent DOOM of all forms of mindless
and hateful bigotry. As do ALL people who are *sensible*.

Please explain to me how that is "fair minded", because I would
honestly like to know how you can possibly justify the line of thinking
that says that throwing a man out of Congress and then imprisoning
him as guilty until proven innocent, is "fair minded" and matches
the 1st Amendment.

I have NEVER advocated imprisoning DeLay *before* his is
proven guilty. But *if* he IS ultimately proven guilty, I hope that he
will ROT in a prison containing many really NASTY inmates who'll have
their way with him -- constantly -- for many, MANY years. That would
serve as *payback* for his having been BIGOTED as a lawmaker
toward millions of people.

NOW... let's see if you have the GUTS and integrity to respond
to the above, point-by-point, WITHOUT lying or omitting anything
relevant.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:44:01 GMT, Craig Chilton
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> spake thusly:

Hopefully, he'll turn out to be convicted and get to ROT for
a nice LONG term in prison.

As a person who had NO regard for individual liberties, that'd
be a VERY fitting outcome for him.

So, that's what it's come to. You want those with whom you
disagree to be put in prison? Guilty until proven innocent?

No. I'd FIRST throw him out of Congress for his proven bigotry
and hateful stances against human and civil rights.

"First"? That means that you would do what was
described after that.

Where is the "individual liberties" for him to be
innocent until proven guilty?

The fact is, you're trying to crush a man, to promote
fornication. Where is your "fair minded" philosophy?
What happened to free speech and freedom to believe
as one wishes and the freedom to vote and act
politically, as one believes? How is it "fair minded"
to try to squash ideas, when that stands against
the 1st Amendment, which is the only reason you
are able to say what you're saying now?

And what about the people spreading hate by spreading
diseases with their, "harmless fun"? What about the
money they have cost us, with their "harmless fun"?

And Craig, what about the "individual liberties" of
those who end up paying for their "harmless fun"?

And Craig, what about the "individual liberties" of
those who end up dying, even when protection was
used, because of their "harmless fun", including
those who weren't even involved in the sex act?

What about all of those "individual liberties, Craig?
Where is your "fair minded" philosophy for them?

These are questions that need answers honest
answers, Craig. Not you calling people names
and acting as if you are God and have nothing
to answer for, when you espouse ideas that blatantly
contradict the foundation of the free exchange
of ideas, that our forefathers fought and died for,
just so people like you, who oppose what the majority
of Americans believe in, can type freely in here?

You claim to be "fair minded", yet advocate the
quashing of any ideas that don't mirror your own.
Please explain to me how that is "fair minded",
because I would honestly like to know how you
can possibly justify the line of thinking that says
that throwing a man out of Congress and then
imprisoning him as guilty until proven innocent,

Sorry, YOU made up that crap, lying pastor dave.