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"Papa Jack" |
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15 May 2004 03:37:38 PM |
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Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
15 May 2004 03:47:39 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405151237.38957652@posting.google.com...
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
This is going to go over their heads P.J.
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
15 May 2004 04:16:44 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 16:47:39 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405151237.38957652@posting.google.com...
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
This is going to go over their heads P.J.
Not if it is done properly, it seems.
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
15 May 2004 06:17:20 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0405151237.38957652@posting.google.com...
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
=====================snip for brevity!
I don't think most people CARE how sociopathic, sadistic, vicious killers,
serial killers and mass murderers are put to death. I personally would vote
to give them a lethal injection as it's clean, painless, fast and cheap.
--
FP....
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people
and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| User: "IBen Getiner" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 01:16:43 AM |
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Subject: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment
From: (Papa Jack)
Date: 5/15/04 4:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <6f9e1b49.0405151237.38957652@posting.google.com>
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
No can do. Criminals deserve Our SYMPATHIES. Our UNDERSTANDING. And a chance at
REHABILITATION.... What do you think...? That we are a nation of KILLERS? Why,
if we kill them, that makes us just LIKE THEM! No! Let it be known that
America's liberals are HEARTFELT and COMPASSIONATE. We wouldn't be like THAT.
No.... Not US...!
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/images/08w-06.jpg
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/m20.jpg
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/m51.jpg
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
15 May 2004 04:14:58 PM |
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On 15 May 2004 13:37:38 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
How about the death penalty for children and people with *very* low IQs.
It has and our president approves. I think that is yet another thing in
which Texas leads the nation.
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express outrage about
abortion yet approve of the above killing. Neither do I understand your
concern about the insides of others.
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 05:21:14 PM |
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Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:<9o1da0hg1qvtk1662pak77rmm2g1aidkov@4ax.com>...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
========================================================================
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
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Galen Hekhuis
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
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Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 05:49:22 PM |
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On 16 May 2004 15:21:14 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I just don't see how
you can justify one yet complain about the other. And you constantly urge
others to see the "unborn" the way you do.
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 06:22:07 AM |
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Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:<6lqfa09hjhulb796jq41gf60d9i9tta8gn@4ax.com>...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
========================================================================
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
========================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
Justify what? You threw out a whole slew of topics:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
e) I have concern for "the insides of others."
I thought the name of this group was talk.abortion.
That's why we talk about abortion, Galen. I know
that's complicated but....Duh!
BTW, I oppose most executions. There are too many
mistakes made in our justice system. I would
reserve capital punishment for the FEW sadistic
monsters among us who kill numbers of people in
a particularly horrible way.
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 06:30:05 AM |
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Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:<6lqfa09hjhulb796jq41gf60d9i9tta8gn@4ax.com>...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
========================================================================
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
========================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
Justify what? You threw out a whole slew of topics:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
e) I have concern for "the insides of others."
I thought the name of this group was talk.abortion.
That's why we talk about abortion, Galen. I know
that's complicated but....Duh!
BTW, I oppose most executions. There are too many
mistakes made in our justice system. I would
reserve capital punishment for the FEW sadistic
monsters among us who kill numbers of people in
a particularly horrible way.
.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 05:54:21 PM |
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Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen?
That the only lives you even pretend to care about are those that
are living inside of the bodies of women?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "mondaymorning" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 01:49:07 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c88res$auo$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen?
That the only lives you even pretend to care about are those that
are living inside of the bodies of women?
I think you made a mistake here. You admitted that they are *living* inside
the bodies of women.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
18 May 2004 12:40:12 AM |
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mondaymorning <arheath@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c88res$auo$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen?
That the only lives you even pretend to care about are those that
are living inside of the bodies of women?
I think you made a mistake here. You admitted that they are *living* inside
the bodies of women.
No mistake.
What you fail to grasp is that those women are not the property of
your or the fetuses. And before you spew more of your hate look
to your own hypocrisy and callous disregard for human life.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 04:51:55 AM |
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mondaymorning wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c88res$auo$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen?
That the only lives you even pretend to care about are those that
are living inside of the bodies of women?
I think you made a mistake here. You admitted that they are *living* inside
the bodies of women.
Wrong emphasis.
Should be:
living *inside* of the bodies of *women*
--
--sexkitten--Helen Waite is now in charge of all complaints.
If you have a complaint, just go to Helen Waite.
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 06:55:07 AM |
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Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:<6lqfa09hjhulb796jq41gf60d9i9tta8gn@4ax.com>...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
========================================================================
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
========================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
Justify what? You threw out a whole slew of topics:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
e) I have concern for "the insides of others."
I thought the name of this group was talk.abortion.
That's why we talk about abortion, Galen. I know
that's complicated but....Duh!
BTW, I oppose most executions. There are too many
mistakes made in our justice system. I would
reserve capital punishment for the FEW sadistic
monsters among us who kill numbers of people in
a particularly horrible way.
.
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 05:40:26 PM |
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My-Two-Angels (Poster@mail.com) wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote
in message news:<6f9e1b49.0405170355.5f44a911@posting.google.com>...
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
========================================================================
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
========================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
Justify what?...
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My-Two-Angels wrote:
Your hypocrisy.
========================================================================
Papa Jack asks:
Just like that, My2? With no rationale or explanation?
That's a sure sign your insult is pure ad hominem
with little or no substantiation or reason.
========================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
...You threw out a whole slew of topics:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
e) I have concern for "the insides of others."
I thought the name of this group was talk.abortion.
That's why we talk about abortion, Galen. I know
that's complicated but....Duh!
BTW, I oppose most executions. There are too many
mistakes made in our justice system. I would
reserve capital punishment for the FEW sadistic
monsters among us who kill numbers of people in
a particularly horrible way.
.
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| User: "Somesappywriter" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 06:30:40 PM |
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On 17 May 2004 15:40:26 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
My-Two-Angels (Poster@mail.com) wrote:
(Papa Jack) wrote
in message news:<6f9e1b49.0405170355.5f44a911@posting.google.com>...
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
[...]
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
[...]
Justify what?...
[...]
Your hypocrisy.
[...]
Just like that?
Yes.
With no rationale or explanation?
Other than you crappy nonsense? What else is there to explain?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
18 May 2004 12:42:39 AM |
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Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
My-Two-Angels (Poster@mail.com) wrote:
Justify what?...
Your hypocrisy.
Just like that, My2? With no rationale or explanation?
That's a sure sign your insult is pure ad hominem
with little or no substantiation or reason.
Here's the substantiation, Jackass.
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Jackass, as revealed by his own words.
He _claims_ he wants to debate ...
I am always willing to debate,
Papa Jackass in <3380A603.1189@express-news.net>
But whenever challenged he runs away. Maybe he means that only
_other_ people are expected to debate.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Papa Jackass in <31E7BC11.674F@express-news.net>
Jackass is a known liar, but then, he's already pretty much admitted
as much.
When you can't meet someone in honest debate, you run around
spreading total, complete lies about them.
Papa Jackass in <331518B2.3221@express-news.net>
And his typical reaction when he's inevitably revealed to be a liar
and a hypocrite?
K I S S M Y A S S!!!! D I D Y O U U N D E R S T A N D
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W H A T I S A I D? K I S S M Y A S S.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Papa Jackass in <31FFC35F.4D2A@express-news.net>
The question people ask after reading Jackass's contributions?
But WHY do YOU prefer to attack the person rather than the
argument
Papa Jackass in <3213893E.1DD7@express-news.net>
But he's answered that question too.
You have no interest in abortion issues. You are a little boy
running around agitating both sides.
Papa Jackass in <330A415B.2497@express-news.net>
Of course, he needs to pretend to be interested in the debate so that
people just don't ignore him for the amoral old fool that he is.
And so he'll periodically claim that he's interested in debate.
I prefer to discuss things at the adult level,
Papa Jackass in <3377230D.4EA3@express-news.net>
Alas, such claims are never backed up with actual debate. What we get
instead is ...
Society has no responsibility to make sure you can safely
screw around on your husband, MINXS. If you want to be a *****
and jump from bed to bed, why bother to get married?
Papa Jackass in <3495FB4F.C35ACEDE@express-news.net>
Once again, we see Mark proving that he is the stinkinest
***** on talk.abortion. Ray gives him a close run, but I'm
going to award the AH Award to Mark. He is a totally pathetic
excuse for a human being.
Papa Jackass in <3359AD8D.1EBA@express-news.net>
And then again those sort of insults followed with another pretense of
moral superiority.
Now if you want to play with the big boys and girls, clean up your
language, cut out the shock tactics, treat others religious beliefs
(or lack thereof) with reasonable respect, and try logic versus
bluster and noise.
Papa Jackass in <34F5F0C8.25EA0A32@geocities.com>
Which leads people to wonder which part of ...
Ah, I finally found how to get your attention. Guess I'll
have to call you Fuckface, *****, and limpdick more often,
Papa Jackass in <335483D4.3238@express-news.net>
Constitutes "reasonable respect". Who knows. Ethics and morality
seem to have no relevance to the world of Jackass.
Please note that I deleted a number of words in several of
Ray's statements without showing the editing. This, of
course, changed the meaning of what he said in a dishonest
and false way.
Papa Jackass in <3245F156.1BEF@express-news.net>
Sometimes he''l even demonstrate hypocrisy in a single sentence.
Gosh, Paul, I never pictured you as being into totally illogical and
overripe emotionalism -- or, are you just pandering?
Papa Jackass in <34B8534B.9E3D6A7D@geocities.com>
Sometimes he acts reasonable ...
You must do more than make edicts -- you must persuade with
logic, facts, figures, expert opinion -- you know, evidence
and "stuff" like that.
Papa Jackass in <31FBAD5A.526F@express-news.net>
Only to revert to a more typical behavior.
Second, why should I apologize for calling a ***** what
he really is. You and I both know Mark is one of the most
cold-blooded and vicious human beings on the newsgroups.
Papa Jackass in <336E66C7.7D89@express-news.net>
I am demonstrating for all to read that you are a toothless
*****. I am insulting you several times a day and there's not
a damn thing you can do about it but run around trying to
bluff me.
Papa Jackass in <33935ACD.5C32@express-news.net>
But there _is_ an explanation.
See, you just make up slurs like this out of whole cloth
and sling them around like mud and manure. You have no
basis for what you say, you just figure it will make
the Pro-[Choice] side look bad, so you say it. Can you
spell sleeze? How about crap?
Papa Jackass in <32019770.29AC@express-news.net>
I feel free to say you are STILL SPREADING DISTORTIONS AND
LIES. But what else is new?
Papa Jackass in <32019770.29AC@express-news.net>
Once again [Jackass] demonstrates that words like "integrity," "truth,"
"fairness," and "decency" have no place in his world. He, of course
is a total sleazebag who will say anything to smear his opponents.
Papa Jackass in <3384DECE.31F5@express-news.net>
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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17 May 2004 07:25:59 AM |
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On 17 May 2004 04:55:07 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
BTW, I oppose most executions. There are too many
mistakes made in our justice system. I would
reserve capital punishment for the FEW sadistic
monsters among us who kill numbers of people in
a particularly horrible way.
You claim you oppose them, yet you are steadfast in your support of Bush,
who's endorsements (along with the practices of his administration) are
some of the most brutal in the world in regards to the "death penalty." I
think the US ranks right up there with Somalia (there isn't much
competition) in permitting the execution of children. Heck, the "death
penalty" has been abandoned my most of the civilized world, the US leading
those relatively few nations that still sanction it. I stand corrected,
however, in claiming that Texas is #1. As you point out, it is *only* #3.
I guess it only wins the bronze for executions, not the gold. As you
yourself admit, "There are too many mistakes made in our justice system."
How can you vote for a man who by your own admission has probably executed
innocents? How can you speak out only for the injustice you see vis-a-vis
abortion yet remain silent about the execution of innocents that everyone
agrees are people?
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "My-Two-Angels" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
17 May 2004 07:00:08 AM |
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On 17 May 2004 04:55:07 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:<6lqfa09hjhulb796jq41gf60d9i9tta8gn@4ax.com>...
(Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
(Papa Jack) wrote:
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[snip]
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Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
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Papa Jack comments:
Justify what?
Your hypocrisy.
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| User: "hate feminism" |
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19 May 2004 05:35:10 AM |
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My-Two-Angels wrote:
On 17 May 2004 04:55:07 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:<6lqfa09hjhulb796jq41gf60d9i9tta8gn@4ax.com>...
(Papa Jack) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
(Papa Jack) wrote:
========================================================================
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote, in part:
Would this technique pass muster at the Supreme Court under
the Constitutional ban on "cruel and unusual punishment?"
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
How about the death penalty for children and people with
*very* low IQs. It has and our president approves. I think
that is yet another thing in which Texas leads the nation.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Does anyone understand why I would consider such a barbaric
idea?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
No. I, for one, cannot understand why you would express
outrage about abortion yet approve of the above killing.
Neither do I understand your concern about the insides of
others.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
Why do you try so hard to distract attention away from
the primary point I made, Galen? Just look, you tried
to get folks talking about:
a) death penalty for children
b) death penalty for people with *very* low IQs.
c) False assertions that President Bush approves.
d) Texas leads the nation in something.
__________________________________________________________
NOTE: Actually, Texas leads in raw numbers of executions
but not in the rate per 10,000 of population
Oklahoma......0.200
Delaware......0.166
Texas.........0.148
Virginia......0.126
Missouri......0.107
__________________________________________________________
Then, you assert I "APPROVE" of "the above killings"
without a shred of evidence.
Finally, you allege I have concern for "the insides
of others."
Again, why are you trying so hard to get folks to
talking about everything but the point I raised?
Are you afraid of honest discussion of the facts?
========================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
I'm not trying to get folks to talk about anything. I
just don't see how you can justify one yet complain about
the other. And you constantly urge others to see the
"unborn" the way you do.
========================================================================
Papa Jack comments:
Justify what?
Your hypocrisy.
Now you *are* smart.
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
18 May 2004 12:41:41 AM |
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Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
BTW, I oppose most executions. There are too many
mistakes made in our justice system.
But if a women is pregnant then she MUST be a criminal, and the
punishment MUST be forced childbirth and risk of death.
I would
reserve capital punishment for the FEW sadistic
monsters among us who kill numbers of people in
a particularly horrible way.
People like you, who would force women to die slowly and in agony?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
15 May 2004 05:31:34 PM |
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Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Is this the latest proposal for dealing with Iraqi prisoners?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
15 May 2004 11:40:23 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c865o5$ia8$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Is this the latest proposal for dealing with Iraqi prisoners?
Too bad you support how the Iraqi's treat American POW's
Fischer, like most left wing liberals love to promote issues like the
prisoners because it undermines the war efforts in Iraq, thus putting
our troops in more harms way.
Fischer could care less about what happened to Nick Berg, or to other
Americans who were beheaded, casturated, brutally murdered, drug
through the streets, placed on display...oh no...Ray wants that
hidden.
Instead he supports undermining and wants more U.S. troops killed.
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| User: "Alan" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 11:00:06 AM |
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(osprey) wrote in message news:<8912d58d.0405152040.7ec6d18a@posting.google.com>...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c865o5$ia8$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Is this the latest proposal for dealing with Iraqi prisoners?
Too bad you support how the Iraqi's treat American POW's
No Osprey,You have got it wrong.
Please allow me to defend this one.
Fischer, like most left wing liberals love to promote issues like the
prisoners because it undermines the war efforts in Iraq, thus putting
our troops in more harms way.
I am a Republican unable to support this war as it is unjust, illegal
and based solely on deciept. This is now indisputable.
You say "undermine the war effort" which is euphamistic for "oppose
the war".
I oppose the war. Fair treatment of the troops is to BRING THEM HOME
..
Fischer could care less about what happened to Nick Berg, or to other
Americans who were beheaded, casturated, brutally murdered, drug
through the streets, placed on display...oh no...Ray wants that
hidden.
We do care for them all. Bring them home now. This war is a farce.
We could say that George, "I can't answer a question that I haven't
prepared for", Bush Doesn't care about the aforementioned as well.
The reason;
he lied to us about weapons or had faulty intelligence. Either way
there are no weapons there.
At this point you say oops. Sorry. Won't happen again.
I guess there is no need to have American civilians and soldiers dying
any longer, since there are no WMD.
After all, this is the reason he was a threat right?
Instead he supports undermining and wants more U.S. troops killed.
Opposing is not undermining. You are being very disingenuous and
unfair when you say that. Your statement could be interpereted as a
hateful one.
Just as if I said somthing like; Osprey doesn't want peace. He
supports the killing and beheheading of American soldiers by keeping
them in Iraq instead of bringing them home.
I think you should ty again if you want to be fair.
Find a reason to support your position without calling us killers.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 11:06:10 AM |
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"Alan" <mlmr11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12664237.0405160800.554b8ef1@posting.google.com...
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote in message
news:<8912d58d.0405152040.7ec6d18a@posting.google.com>...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c865o5$ia8$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Is this the latest proposal for dealing with Iraqi prisoners?
Too bad you support how the Iraqi's treat American POW's
No Osprey,You have got it wrong.
Please allow me to defend this one.
Fischer, like most left wing liberals love to promote issues like the
prisoners because it undermines the war efforts in Iraq, thus putting
our troops in more harms way.
I am a Republican unable to support this war as it is unjust, illegal
and based solely on deciept. This is now indisputable.
You say "undermine the war effort" which is euphamistic for "oppose
the war".
I oppose the war. Fair treatment of the troops is to BRING THEM HOME
Bring them home and guess what...10 years we will be right back with a
larger problem.
Whether you agree with the war or not, and I am sure we all have issues with
the war...
the fact still remains we are there and we did topple Saddam. We can't
erase that.
Now we must finish it.
.
Fischer could care less about what happened to Nick Berg, or to other
Americans who were beheaded, casturated, brutally murdered, drug
through the streets, placed on display...oh no...Ray wants that
hidden.
We do care for them all. Bring them home now.
Big mistake...BIG BIG mistake, and even most Democrats will tell you that.
This war is a farce.
We could say that George, "I can't answer a question that I haven't
prepared for", Bush Doesn't care about the aforementioned as well.
The reason;
he lied to us about weapons or had faulty intelligence. Either way
there are no weapons there.
At this point you say oops. Sorry. Won't happen again.
I guess there is no need to have American civilians and soldiers dying
any longer, since there are no WMD.
After all, this is the reason he was a threat right?
Instead he supports undermining and wants more U.S. troops killed.
Opposing is not undermining.
No, opposing isn't..but showing a false picture is.
And the media doesn't show all sides.
They don't want to show us the brutal enemy over there who hates America.
They don't want to show us that these people, no matter who is in the oval
office, want to kill Americans.
They people actually believe they are doing the will of God and they will
nto quit...whether we stay or go.
We got to finish this now, and we got to do it right.
The media doesn't like us to see the Iraqi's that do want us there
Or the kids that we have helped...
no, they want to show the negative stuff against the troops.
That is undermining
You are being very disingenuous and
unfair when you say that. Your statement could be interpereted as a
hateful one.
Just as if I said somthing like; Osprey doesn't want peace. He
supports the killing and beheheading of American soldiers by keeping
them in Iraq instead of bringing them home.
I think you should ty again if you want to be fair.
Find a reason to support your position without calling us killers.
I am not calling you a killer, my comments were addressed to Fischer
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| User: "Alan" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 06:32:55 PM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<sMadnTS3SJT7DDrdRVn-hQ@comcast.com>...
"Alan" <mlmr11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12664237.0405160800.554b8ef1@posting.google.com...
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote in message
news:<8912d58d.0405152040.7ec6d18a@posting.google.com>...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c865o5$ia8$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Is this the latest proposal for dealing with Iraqi prisoners?
Too bad you support how the Iraqi's treat American POW's
No Osprey,You have got it wrong.
Please allow me to defend this one.
Fischer, like most left wing liberals love to promote issues like the
prisoners because it undermines the war efforts in Iraq, thus putting
our troops in more harms way.
I am a Republican unable to support this war as it is unjust, illegal
and based solely on deciept. This is now indisputable.
You say "undermine the war effort" which is euphamistic for "oppose
the war".
I oppose the war. Fair treatment of the troops is to BRING THEM HOME
Bring them home and guess what...10 years we will be right back with a
larger problem.
Whether you agree with the war or not, and I am sure we all have issues with
the war...
the fact still remains we are there and we did topple Saddam. We can't
erase that.
Now we must finish it.
.
Fischer could care less about what happened to Nick Berg, or to other
Americans who were beheaded, casturated, brutally murdered, drug
through the streets, placed on display...oh no...Ray wants that
hidden.
We do care for them all. Bring them home now.
Big mistake...BIG BIG mistake, and even most Democrats will tell you that.
This war is a farce.
We could say that George, "I can't answer a question that I haven't
prepared for", Bush Doesn't care about the aforementioned as well.
The reason;
he lied to us about weapons or had faulty intelligence. Either way
there are no weapons there.
At this point you say oops. Sorry. Won't happen again.
I guess there is no need to have American civilians and soldiers dying
any longer, since there are no WMD.
After all, this is the reason he was a threat right?
Instead he supports undermining and wants more U.S. troops killed.
Opposing is not undermining.
No, opposing isn't..but showing a false picture is.
And the media doesn't show all sides.
They don't want to show us the brutal enemy over there who hates America.
They don't want to show us that these people, no matter who is in the oval
office, want to kill Americans.
They people actually believe they are doing the will of God and they will
nto quit...whether we stay or go.
We got to finish this now, and we got to do it right.
The media doesn't like us to see the Iraqi's that do want us there
Or the kids that we have helped...
no, they want to show the negative stuff against the troops.
That is undermining
You are being very disingenuous and
unfair when you say that. Your statement could be interpereted as a
hateful one.
Just as if I said somthing like; Osprey doesn't want peace. He
supports the killing and beheheading of American soldiers by keeping
them in Iraq instead of bringing them home.
I think you should ty again if you want to be fair.
Find a reason to support your position without calling us killers.
I am not calling you a killer, my comments were addressed to Fischer
I know. But I generally agree with Fischer which inadvertantly lumps
me in with his kind as far as your concnerned.
Osprey I ask you to please consider all scources of information when
you evaluate this war.
I know that you are law enforcement.
Use your instinct to distinguish bogus facts from plausable, I hope I
spelled that correct, facts.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Execution: Cruel & Unusual Punishment |
16 May 2004 07:24:17 PM |
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"Alan" <mlmr11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12664237.0405161532.15de4b15@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<sMadnTS3SJT7DDrdRVn-hQ@comcast.com>...
"Alan" <mlmr11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12664237.0405160800.554b8ef1@posting.google.com...
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote in message
news:<8912d58d.0405152040.7ec6d18a@posting.google.com>...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c865o5$ia8$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
The death penalty for criminal acts is a controversial topic --
particularly when considering the "cruel and unusual "aspects
of the available options.
I wonder what the Supreme Court would think of a proposal
for a new method. Instead of electric chairs, firing squads,
or lethal injections; what if a state legislature enacted
a provision for death sentences to be carried out by a
licensed physician who would:
a. Use a sharp instrument to bore a hole in the base
of the criminal's skull.
b. Insert the hose of a powerful vacuum into the
hole in the skull, and suck out the criminal's
brains.
c. Use large clamps to crush the criminal's skull
into a much smaller size.
Is this the latest proposal for dealing with Iraqi prisoners?
Too bad you support how the Iraqi's treat American POW's
No Osprey,You have got it wrong.
Please allow me to defend this one.
Fischer, like most left wing liberals love to promote issues like
the
prisoners because it undermines the war efforts in Iraq, thus
putting
our troops in more harms way.
I am a Republican unable to support this war as it is unjust, illegal
and based solely on deciept. This is now indisputable.
You say "undermine the war effort" which is euphamistic for "oppose
the war".
I oppose the war. Fair treatment of the troops is to BRING THEM HOME
Bring them home and guess what...10 years we will be right back with a
larger problem.
Whether you agree with the war or not, and I am sure we all have issues
with
the war...
the fact still remains we are there and we did topple Saddam. We can't
erase that.
Now we must finish it.
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Fischer could care less about what happened to Nick Berg, or to
other
Americans who were beheaded, casturated, brutally murdered, drug
through the streets, placed on display...oh no...Ray wants that
hidden.
We do care for them all. Bring them home now.
Big mistake...BIG BIG mistake, and even most Democrats will tell you
that.
This war is a farce.
We could say that George, "I can't answer a question that I haven't
prepared for", Bush Doesn't care about the aforementioned as well.
The reason;
he lied to us about weapons or had faulty intelligence. Either way
there are no weapons there.
At this point you say oops. Sorry. Won't happen again.
I guess there is no need to have American civilians and soldiers dying
any longer, since there are no WMD.
After all, this is the reason he was a threat right?
Instead he supports undermining and wants more U.S. troops killed.
Opposing is not undermining.
No, opposing isn't..but showing a false picture is.
And the media doesn't show all sides.
They don't want to show us the brutal enemy over there who hates
America.
They don't want to show us that these people, no matter who is in the
oval
office, want to kill Americans.
They people actually believe they are doing the will of God and they
will
nto quit...whether we stay or go.
We got to finish this now, and we got to do it right.
The media doesn't like us to see the Iraqi's that do want us there
Or the kids that we have helped...
no, they want to show the negative stuff against the troops.
That is undermining
You are being very disingenuous and
unfair when you say that. Your statement could be interpereted as a
hateful one.
Just as if I said somthing like; Osprey doesn't want peace. He
supports the killing and beheheading of American soldiers by keeping
them in Iraq instead of bringing them home.
I think you should ty again if you want to be fair.
Find a reason to support your position without calling us killers.
I am not calling you a killer, my comments were addressed to Fischer
I know. But I generally agree with Fischer which inadvertantly lumps
me in with his kind as far as your concnerned.
Have you really read Fischers post?
Do you agree with his hateful bigotry and statements on Republicans?
Do you agree with his calling people things like child molesters?
Osprey I ask you to please consider all scources of information when
you evaluate this war.
I am, and I think Fischer is dead wrong.
Whether we think it was right to go in or not, we are there. The right or
wrong is behind us now.
What is important is our men and women get the very best equipment they can
get and get the job done,
something Fischer is opposed too.
I know that you are law enforcement.
Use your instinct to distinguish bogus facts from plausable, I hope I
spelled that correct, facts.
I am not going to get into a quarrel with you on your opinions of me.
I like some of the things you say, and I respect your opinion
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17 May 2004 05:59:26 AM |
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<6emdndtFIO2RmzXdRVn-tw@comcast.com>...
Have you really read Fischers post?
Do you agree with his hateful bigotry and statements on Republicans?
Do you agree with his calling people things like child molesters?
I don't think it is fair to use bigoted statements toward members of
either party. So the answer is no to the first one.
I think it is a case, again, where he is not choosing his words
correctly.
Look, the bottom line here is that I know that these are good people
posting this stuff. All of us.
But what seems to be taking place is a lack of consideration on all of
our parts. Obviously because we aren't face to face.
Each time you post you make some really good points. I chose to
converse with you in the hopes that you would make these points
considerately.
When you do that you win.
But reconsider your position on the war.
There are a lot of facts that support my position.
Osprey I ask you to please consider all scources of information when
you evaluate this war.
I am, and I think Fischer is dead wrong.
Whether we think it was right to go in or not, we are there. The right or
wrong is behind us now.
What is important is our men and women get the very best equipment they can
get and get the job done,
something Fischer is opposed too.
I know that you are law enforcement.
Use your instinct to distinguish bogus facts from plausable, I hope I
spelled that correct, facts.
I am not going to get into a quarrel with you on your opinions of me.
I like some of the things you say, and I respect your opinion
I ain't lookin for a beef. Just an exchange of ideas
Alan C
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17 May 2004 08:27:55 AM |
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"Alan" <mlmr11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12664237.0405170259.7f12231b@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<6emdndtFIO2RmzXdRVn-tw@comcast.com>...
Have you really read Fischers post?
Do you agree with his hateful bigotry and statements on Republicans?
Do you agree with his calling people things like child molesters?
I don't think it is fair to use bigoted statements toward members of
either party. So the answer is no to the first one.
I think it is a case, again, where he is not choosing his words
correctly.
And in honesty I admit there are times in retalliation I don't choose mine
correctly.
You will find I choose my words differently and I show respect towards some
and I will show absolutely no respect towards others.
Look, the bottom line here is that I know that these are good people
posting this stuff. All of us.
But what seems to be taking place is a lack of consideration on all of
our parts. Obviously because we aren't face to face.
Each time you post you make some really good points. I chose to
converse with you in the hopes that you would make these points
considerately.
When you do that you win.
But reconsider your position on the war.
There are a lot of facts that support my position.
I am sure there is, and I have no problem what so ever discussing them with
you.
I think we can both respect each of our opinion
Osprey I ask you to please consider all scources of information when
you evaluate this war.
I am, and I think Fischer is dead wrong.
Whether we think it was right to go in or not, we are there. The right
or
wrong is behind us now.
What is important is our men and women get the very best equipment they
can
get and get the job done,
something Fischer is opposed too.
I know that you are law enforcement.
Use your instinct to distinguish bogus facts from plausable, I hope I
spelled that correct, facts.
I am not going to get into a quarrel with you on your opinions of me.
I like some of the things you say, and I respect your opinion
I ain't lookin for a beef. Just an exchange of ideas
Not a problem..:o)
Lets discuss some issues...we may both learn something from each other
Alan C
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17 May 2004 08:35:28 AM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 09:27:55 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Alan" <mlmr11@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12664237.0405170259.7f12231b@posting.google.com...
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:<6emdndtFIO2RmzXdRVn-tw@comcast.com>...
Have you really read Fischers post?
Do you agree with his hateful bigotry and statements on Republicans?
Do you agree with his calling people things like child molesters?
I don't think it is fair to use bigoted statements toward members of
either party. So the answer is no to the first one.
I think it is a case, again, where he is not choosing his words
correctly.
And in honesty I admit there are times in retalliation I don't choose mine
correctly.
No, you're just sorely lacking skills in constructing the written word
(I have a similar problem).
For you, It becomes more prevelant when you retaliate.
You will find I choose my words differently...
Why don't you admit that you're an unskilled writer? It doesn't mean,
however, that you won't improve as you continue to participate
the English Remedial Courses you attend at Delaware Tech.
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