Science > Abortion > Facts the RRR Cult can't deal with -- # 1 -- They ALL are unconscionable BUSYBODIES.
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"Craig Chilton" |
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07 Dec 2005 10:33:30 PM |
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Facts the RRR Cult can't deal with -- # 1 -- They ALL are unconscionable BUSYBODIES. |
Example A -- Abortion.
Whether or not a girl or woman chooses this remedy, and
thereby enables herself to exercise this remedial form of self-
defense against an unwanted medical condition, in order to
immediately *restore* her well-being and full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels --- is NO one
else's business but HERS. There is NO way that any stranger
can justify his/her seeking to put her in the position of being
FORCED to gestate-to-term against her will. So whenever it
is pointed out to the RRR Cult bigot that he's a **BUSYBODY**
-- he *invariably* either clams up or mutters something ludicrous
that does nothing to get him off the hook. He's revealed as the
total LOSER that such people (the RRR Cult's lemmings) truly
are.
Example B -- Same-Sex Marriage
Just as was the case with interracial marriage 38 years
earlier, about which countless tens of thousands of social retards
screeched and yowled to -- ultimately -- no avail... and the sky
never fell... the same goes for same-sex marriage. The RRR
cultists screech and yowl, and it will ultimately be to no avail.
Same-sex marriage will be legal everywhere. And just as was
the case with interracial marriage, society will be *better* for
having lost another facet of bigotry forever. And the sky won't
fall. And not long afterward, just as we saw happen with inter-
racial marriage, people won't even be giving it a second thought.
As in, "Ho-hum. Who cares?" And society will remember THIS
era, and the ludicrous busybodyism of the RRR Cultists, and
shake their heads in amazement that anyone *ever* could have
made such a big deal out of absolutely NOTHING. Since it's
hard to even **imagine** how anything could be more *harmless*
than same-sex marriage. Busybodies are losers... and on THIS
issue, the RRR cultists prove that in spades!
In summary:
BUSYBODYISM is a common-denominator personality
defect that afflicts ALL who are lemmings of the RRR Cult. It
is a *prerequisite* for being one. Any person who has the intel-
ligence and common sense to mind his own business when it
comes to harmless matters that are none of his business not
only CAN'T be such a lemming... but he wouldn't in a million
years ever WANT to be one.
Busybodyism = abject stupidity.
Know some one who's an RRR cultist... either a lemming
or one of its oligarchical leaders? Ask him/her THESE two
questions. Their answers... whether they be subject-changing
or a lame try at answering the truly unanswerable... should be
CLASSIC! ---
(1) Since having an abortion is a personal decision on
the part of someone being victimized by an unwanted
medical condition, why would you have ANY desire
to BUTT IN to her business by being an opponent of
her having ready access to that remedy?
(2) Considering the fact that there is NO way that any
opposite-sex couple's marriage could be harmed in
the least if a same-sex couple in their community
that's been cohabiting for years suddenly finds that
they can legally get married, so go ahead and tie the
knot... how can you possibly justify your being such
a BUTTINSKY as to oppose their right to do so?
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
--
RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Facts Craig can't deal with |
10 Dec 2005 04:46:35 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
Example A -- Abortion.
.... is you killing your own relatives when they're the most helpless
and in need of YOUR love and caring... who else but YOU will love
and care for them?
Instead, on their birthday, you're paying a few dollars to have
them DISMEMBERED, re-assembled on a table top with their head
pulled off, arms and legs pulled off, genitals mutilated, them
being physically raped to death, on their birthday, and YOU
paid for it... you allowed and even instructed the KILLER to
kill your own kids in the womb.
Of course, after having killed your own kids when they're the
most helpless and in need of your love and caring, what else
can you do, but rationalize what you did, and claim your own
kids were worthless, or less than worthless, or even a scourge,
or a desease of sorts... a hinderance, a cancer, that your own
baby would have killed you if you hadn't killed him first...
Abortionists want this rationalization too... it brings in the
dollars to do the abortion, and dollars from the sold off stem
cells.
Example B -- Same-Sex Marriage
Is what happens when people reject God. God didn't design
people to do that, God designed people to go forth and multiply,
and carry little kids around in their mother's womb... not
to kill them there.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "c-bee1" |
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10 Dec 2005 11:46:21 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:439AB051.7F84@For-God.net...
Craig Chilton wrote:
Example A -- Abortion.
... is you killing your own relatives
cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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10 Dec 2005 06:05:07 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:46:35 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE. A perfect match for the abject
dishonesty and idiocy that he, as a bigot and
a social retard, ALWAYS displays. ]]]
ACTUAL subject header:
Facts the RRR Cult can't deal with -- # 1 --
They ALL are unconscionable BUSYBODIES.
Example A -- Abortion.
... is you killing your own relatives...
WRONG, mindless loon. ALL "relatives" have been BORN,
since **personhood** BEGINS at **birth."
Even the Bible makes that VERY clear:
(1) It NEVER defends human reproductive-process entities
at **any** stage as people.
(2) The ONLY time it defends a fetus, it regards it as PROP-
ERTY. **not** as a person. in a passage that ALSO
happens to *condone* SLAVERY! (Ex.21:20-25).
(3) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with BIRTH order.
(4) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with BIRTHrights.
(5) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with first-BORNS.
(6) ALL human life that is defended in the Bible is PEOPLE.
(And **all** people have been *born."
<Propagandistic and CLUELESS (as in -- NO FACTS)
lying hate-swill by a total ignoramus and bigot flushed.>
HERE are the FACTS!! ---
Whether or not a girl or woman chooses this remedy, and
thereby enables herself to exercise this remedial form of self-
defense against an unwanted medical condition, in order to
immediately *restore* her well-being and full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels --- is NO one
else's business but HERS. There is NO way that any stranger
can justify his/her seeking to put her in the position of being
FORCED to gestate-to-term against her will. So whenever it
is pointed out to the RRR Cult bigot that he's a **BUSYBODY**
-- he *invariably* either clams up or mutters something ludicrous
that does nothing to get him off the hook. He's revealed as the
total LOSER that such people (the RRR Cult's lemmings) truly
are.
Example B -- Same-Sex Marriage
Just as was the case with interracial marriage 38 years
earlier, about which countless tens of thousands of social retards
screeched and yowled to -- ultimately -- no avail... and the sky
never fell... the same goes for same-sex marriage. The RRR
cultists screech and yowl, and it will ultimately be to no avail.
Same-sex marriage will be legal everywhere. And just as was
the case with interracial marriage, society will be *better* for
having lost another facet of bigotry forever. And the sky won't
fall. And not long afterward, just as we saw happen with inter-
racial marriage, people won't even be giving it a second thought.
As in, "Ho-hum. Who cares?" And society will remember THIS
era, and the ludicrous busybodyism of the RRR Cultists, and
shake their heads in amazement that anyone *ever* could have
made such a big deal out of absolutely NOTHING. Since it's
hard to even **imagine** how anything could be more *harmless*
than same-sex marriage. Busybodies are losers... and on THIS
issue, the RRR cultists prove that in spades!
Example B -- Same-Sex Marriage
Is what happens when people reject God.
Wrong again!! The Bible never even **mentions** same-sex
marriage, much less condemning it. In fact, homosexuality is not
found anywhere in the Ten Commandments.
The ONLY badmouthing of homosexuality to be found in the
Bible are in a couple of locations that were HUMANLY-written
*without* being quotes by either God or Jesus, and therefore
could very easily be nothing but interjections of OPINION by
bigoted (as in, homophobic) writers. Just in case you think the
Bible couldn't contain such blatant errors, remember that
Ex. 21:20-25 *condones* slavery. And just Google for "Bible
errors" or "Bible contradictions" and you'll find that there are
HUNDREDS of them! And well-documented, to boot. Only
the most brainwashed and ignorant of the RRR Cult's lemmings
could live in denial of them.
<bullcrapish -- because it was sheer and bigoted
speculation based on NO facts -- opinion flushed.
And because it STUPIDLY referenced abortion.
But he had *nothing* going fir him THERE, either.>
HERE are the FACTS about 100% HARMLESS
same-sex marriage. (There probably isn't so much as
even ONE single fact in *existence* that can be used
as a sensible argument against it. Which shows how
far off the deep end the loony bigots of the RRR Cult
truly are!) ---
Just as was the case with interracial marriage 38 years
earlier, about which countless tens of thousands of social retards
screeched and yowled to -- ultimately -- no avail... and the sky
never fell... the same goes for same-sex marriage. The RRR
cultists screech and yowl, and it will ultimately be to no avail.
Same-sex marriage will be legal everywhere. And just as was
the case with interracial marriage, society will be *better* for
having lost another facet of bigotry forever. And the sky won't
fall. And not long afterward, just as we saw happen with inter-
racial marriage, people won't even be giving it a second thought.
As in, "Ho-hum. Who cares?" And society will remember THIS
era, and the ludicrous busybodyism of the RRR Cultists, and
shake their heads in amazement that anyone *ever* could have
made such a big deal out of absolutely NOTHING. Since it's
hard to even **imagine** how anything could be more *harmless*
than same-sex marriage. Busybodies are losers... and on THIS
issue, the RRR cultists prove that in spades!
In summary:
BUSYBODYISM is a common-denominator personality
defect that afflicts ALL who are lemmings of the RRR Cult. It
is a *prerequisite* for being one. Any person who has the intel-
ligence and common sense to mind his own business when it
comes to harmless matters that are none of his business not
only CAN'T be such a lemming... but he wouldn't in a million
years ever WANT to be one.
Busybodyism = abject stupidity.
Know some one who's an RRR cultist... either a lemming
or one of its oligarchical leaders? Ask him/her THESE two
questions. Their answers... whether they be subject-changing
or a lame try at answering the truly unanswerable... should be
CLASSIC! ---
(1) Since having an abortion is a personal decision on
the part of someone being victimized by an unwanted
medical condition, why would you have ANY desire
to BUTT IN to her business by being an opponent of
her having ready access to that remedy?
(2) Considering the fact that there is NO way that any
opposite-sex couple's marriage could be harmed in
the least if a same-sex couple in their community
that's been cohabiting for years suddenly finds that
they can legally get married, so go ahead and tie the
knot... how can you possibly justify your being such
a BUTTINSKY as to oppose their right to do so?
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
--
RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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17 Dec 2005 03:53:37 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:46:35 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE.
No, it's the truth Craig.
I >>> LOVE <<< who you would have killed.
I am not ashamed to say that. In fact, I'm overjoyed to
say it. I can talk with who you would have killed. I
can tell them that they're cared about and valued, valued
more than I ever would have imagined.
You on the other hand, you hate who God gave you, who
God built in the womb... you dispise and reject... you
pay to have them ripped to peices... their very heads
are being pulled off. I saw it Craig, that's what they're
doing to their own kids... their own kids God is building
in their wombs... killing them on their birthday, in
a very disgusting and sick manner, on what would have
been a happy day... a happy birthday... bring your friends,
let's have a party... 'cuz little babies are being dismembered
and killed, rather than loved and cared for when they're
the most helpless and need of love from their mothers.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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=== PHONY cross-postings by GUTLESS and
mindless moron, Boatsunk, **deleted** and
the ORIGINAL crosspostings **restored**.
The dishonest loser actually had hoped to
sidetrack the responses. What a tool !!
(It'll NEVER work, Boatwrong! You're a
sick JOKE... and everyone knows it. The
laughingstock of Usenet. ===
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:31:41 GMT,
Delusional Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[ ... ]
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong ... and a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
Craig, EVEN ONE kid, EVEN ONE... You have no idea, what
their value is.
As usual, you're wrong. I have THREE of my own, and FIVE
grandkids.
I do.
Bless your pea-pickin' (and pea-SIZED) l'il heart.
Of course, since ALL *kids* have been BORN, you're
OFF-topic in an abortion discussion. Par for the course,
Mindless One.
(Boatsunk sure seems to enjoy his role as
one of Usenet's biggest laughingstocks.
He has all the credibility of a cockroach;
a dead one.)
<flush moronic hate-swill>
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:43:45 GMT,
John P. Boatwright wrote...
...nothing but lying and utterly ludicrous hate-swill.
As usual.
<Flusssshhhhhhh>
And that pathetic loser obviously is OBSESSED with
attacking me, moron that he is. Funnier than hell to
observe!
If there is any doubt in anyone's mind that he's a complete,
bigoted loon, and that I am just a fair-minded and compas-
sionate egalitarian, the PROOF of that lies in the relevant FACTS.
Recall the segregationists. They has NO facts on their side
at all, whatsoever. So after their loathsome agenda against
blacks swirled down the Drain if Extinction forever, almost no
one missed it afterward.
And when the ludicrous and hateful bigots who are today's
Anti-Choicers/RRR cult lemmings/homophobes, and their
sociopathic agendas go down that same drain, the result will
be the SAME. Because as history has consistently proven
since 1856 in this nation, movements of intolerance ALWAYS
are very properly **doomed** ---
Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts. ALWAYS. No exceptions! And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear. ---
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffrage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.
The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas. Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And *that* is EXTINCTION.
Very WELCOME extinction. As in, "Good riddance forever!"
So... with respect just to the valuable and beneficial REMEDY
of abortion, for all the women who *choose* it, THESE are the
relevant FACTS.
(1) They ALL **support** her right to access it easily.
(2) NO facts even *exist* to support the stance of Anti-Choice.
(3) NO Anti-Choicer has EVER (to the best of my knowledge)
been able to **disprove** ANY of the facts contained in
the outline in this sig.
So much for Loony-Tune Boatsunk.
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryos &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:39:41 GMT, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
wrote:
=== PHONY cross-postings by GUTLESS and
mindless moron, Boatsunk, **deleted** and
the ORIGINAL crosspostings **restored**.
The dishonest loser actually had hoped to
sidetrack the responses. What a tool !!
(It'll NEVER work, Boatwrong! You're a
sick JOKE... and everyone knows it. The
laughingstock of Usenet. ===
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:31:41 GMT,
Delusional Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[ ... ]
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong ... and a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
Craig, EVEN ONE kid, EVEN ONE... You have no idea, what
their value is.
As usual, you're wrong. I have THREE of my own, and FIVE
grandkids.
<snip>
You've been caught lying on usenet so many times Craig how can anyone
believe you when you say you have children?
I hope they don't learn from your craven, cowardly and just plain
pathetic examples, society doesn't need any more of your kind.
"The ***** is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
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18 Dec 2005 08:57:45 PM |
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=== PHONY cross-postings by GUTLESS and
mindless moron, Boatsunk, **deleted** and
the ORIGINAL crosspostings **restored**.
The dishonest loser actually had hoped to
sidetrack the responses. What a tool !!
(It'll NEVER work, Boatwrong! You're a
sick JOKE... and everyone knows it. The
laughingstock of Usenet. ===
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:31:41 GMT,
Delusional Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[ ... ]
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong ... and a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
Craig, EVEN ONE kid, EVEN ONE... You have no idea, what
their value is.
As usual, you're wrong. I have THREE of my own, and FIVE
grandkids.
I do.
Bless your pea-pickin' (and pea-SIZED) l'il heart.
Of course, since ALL *kids* have been BORN, you're
OFF-topic in an abortion discussion. Par for the course,
Mindless One.
(Boatsunk sure seems to enjoy his role as
one of Usenet's biggest laughingstocks.
He has all the credibility of a cockroach;
a dead one.)
<flush moronic hate-swill>
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:43:45 GMT,
John P. Boatwright wrote...
...nothing but lying and utterly ludicrous hate-swill.
As usual.
<Flusssshhhhhhh>
And that pathetic loser obviously is OBSESSED with
attacking me, moron that he is. Funnier than hell to
observe!
If there is any doubt in anyone's mind that he's a complete,
bigoted loon, and that I am just a fair-minded and compas-
sionate egalitarian, the PROOF of that lies in the relevant FACTS.
Recall the segregationists. They has NO facts on their side
at all, whatsoever. So after their loathsome agenda against
blacks swirled down the Drain if Extinction forever, almost no
one missed it afterward.
And when the ludicrous and hateful bigots who are today's
Anti-Choicers/RRR cult lemmings/homophobes, and their
sociopathic agendas go down that same drain, the result will
be the SAME. Because as history has consistently proven
since 1856 in this nation, movements of intolerance ALWAYS
are very properly **doomed** ---
Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts. ALWAYS. No exceptions! And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear. ---
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffrage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.
The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas. Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And *that* is EXTINCTION.
Very WELCOME extinction. As in, "Good riddance forever!"
So... with respect just to the valuable and beneficial REMEDY
of abortion, for all the women who *choose* it, THESE are the
relevant FACTS.
(1) They ALL **support** her right to access it easily.
(2) NO facts even *exist* to support the stance of Anti-Choice.
(3) NO Anti-Choicer has EVER (to the best of my knowledge)
been able to **disprove** ANY of the facts contained in
the outline in this sig.
So much for Loony-Tune Boatsunk.
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryos &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
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Craig Chilton wrote:
=== PHONY cross-postings by GUTLESS and
mindless moron, Boatsunk, **deleted** and
the ORIGINAL crosspostings **restored**.
The dishonest loser actually had hoped to
sidetrack the responses. What a tool !!
(It'll NEVER work, Boatwrong! You're a
sick JOKE... and everyone knows it. The
laughingstock of Usenet. ===
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:31:41 GMT,
Delusional Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[ ... ]
Now I see what Riske was talking about with your snip/copy/paste ravings
and your bitter hatred against people who disagree with you or say you
are wrong on anything.
You obviously suffer Craig.
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:36:48 GMT,
Darth Dilligaf wrote:
Now I see what Riske was talking about with your
snip/copy/past[ings].
When something appropriate and factual has already been
written which is a perfect answer to a question or a point being
addressed in a post, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with
the person responding re-using that boiler plate to AGAIN provide
the factual response that is appropriate.
It's called NOT re-inventing the wheel.
And since the material that is the object of your comment was
100% accurate the first time, re-using it was the *intelligent* thing
to do.
The relevant FACTS have not changed.
And unless they ever do (not likely!!), egalitarians will continue
to bring them back again and again and again to INDICT the
stupidity and bigotry of RRR Cult lemmings/homophobes/Anti-
Choicers. For as long as it takes. Until ALL of those loathsome
and sociopathic agendas have joined their first cousin in mindless
bigotry, segregation, in extinction.
...and your bitter hatred against people who disagree with you...
I don't hate anyone. Never have. Not even the moronic segreg-
ationists who made death threats against me in Mississippi in 1963,
when I was a Civil Rights worker/activist there.
I just considered the source.
They were imbeciles.
Just like today's RRR cultists.
Fair-minded egalitarians don't hate ignorant louts. We feel
sorry for them, and recognize the fact that -- sooner or later -- once
their loathsome agendas have been destroyed, MANY of them
will outgrow their pointless bigotries. Those who won't sadly
find OTHER ways to be hateful to people. Such as those who
are RRR Cult lemmings today who USED to be segregationists.
Fortunately, though, many bigots ultimately OUTGROW their
bigotry. And some of those even go on to become active
egalitarians who DEFEND personal liberties.
Since we who are egalitarians are aware of this, we don't
hate the socially-retarded. We simply hate -- and ultimately will
destroy -- their loathsome and sociopathic **agendas**.
...or say you are wrong on anything.
Here's my previous post.
PROVE that **anything** that I said in it was wrong (i.e.,
untruthful, unfactual, or designed to deprive anyone of their
personal liberties).
OR -- be recognized as an idiot at best, or a lying idiot
at worst, by the readers.
= + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + = + =
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:31:41 GMT,
Delusional Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[ ... ]
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong ... and a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
Craig, EVEN ONE kid, EVEN ONE... You have no idea, what
their value is.
As usual, you're wrong. I have THREE of my own, and FIVE
grandkids.
I do.
Bless your pea-pickin' (and pea-SIZED) l'il heart.
Of course, since ALL *kids* have been BORN, you're
OFF-topic in an abortion discussion. Par for the course,
Mindless One.
(Boatsunk sure seems to enjoy his role as
one of Usenet's biggest laughingstocks.
He has all the credibility of a cockroach;
a dead one.)
<flush moronic hate-swill>
<Previous post restored> ---
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:43:45 GMT,
John P. Boatwright wrote...
...nothing but lying and utterly ludicrous hate-swill.
As usual.
<Flusssshhhhhhh>
And that pathetic loser obviously is OBSESSED with
attacking me, moron that he is. Funnier than hell to
observe!
If there is any doubt in anyone's mind that he's a complete,
bigoted loon, and that I am just a fair-minded and compas-
sionate egalitarian, the PROOF of that lies in the relevant FACTS.
Recall the segregationists. They has NO facts on their side
at all, whatsoever. So after their loathsome agenda against
blacks swirled down the Drain if Extinction forever, almost no
one missed it afterward.
And when the ludicrous and hateful bigots who are today's
Anti-Choicers/RRR cult lemmings/homophobes, and their
sociopathic agendas go down that same drain, the result will
be the SAME. Because as history has consistently proven
since 1856 in this nation, movements of intolerance ALWAYS
are very properly **doomed** ---
Society ALWAYS outgrows intolerant and hateful movements
that are mired in stupidity, and are supported by NO relevant
facts. ALWAYS. No exceptions! And our own history, here
in the USA, makes that very clear. ---
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffrage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. constant consciousness-raising,
as is being assisted by the media in its sitcoms, talk shows, etc., is
very helpful.
The ludicrous and hateful actions and defense of sociopathic
agendas against individual liberties on the part of the adherents/
lemmings of the RRR Cult will soon lead to American society's
becoming EMBARRASSED to have those louts in their midst,
making our country a laughingstock in front of the entire world.
Even now, the process of their becoming FED UP with that is
building toward the critical mass that will trigger the *rejection*
of the RRR's **shameful** and worthless agendas. Before much
longer, society will reject those movements with all the force that
it brought to bear against segregation.
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans **outgrow* movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And *that* is EXTINCTION.
Very WELCOME extinction. As in, "Good riddance forever!"
So... with respect just to the valuable and beneficial REMEDY
of abortion, for all the women who *choose* it, THESE are the
relevant FACTS.
(1) They ALL **support** her right to access it easily.
(2) NO facts even *exist* to support the stance of Anti-Choice.
(3) NO Anti-Choicer has EVER (to the best of my knowledge)
been able to **disprove** ANY of the facts contained in
the outline in this sig.
So much for Loony-Tune Boatsunk.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryos &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:46:35 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE.
No, it's the truth Craig.
I >>> LOVE <<< who you would have killed.
And you would kill who he loves. Touche'.
<the usual bull, snipped>
--
--sexkitten--
Sneechres and marital rape convictions:
1126361838.764032.231...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
As I said, the marriage agreement includes reasonable expectation of
sexual exchange. This is why John Bobbitt never did a day of time in
the slam for "marital rape" while his crazy wife ended up in a mental
facility.
"Marital rape" is a crime in all fifty states (since 1993), as is
prostitution. The difference is that no one is ever convicted of it.
She was then shown an article on a convicted marital rapist....
1126754651.184485.72...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
The reason there is only one marital rape
conviction in the entire country right now (from Nebraska no less,
where even consenting wives are considered rape victims) is because the
marriage vow "I promise to love you" doesn't mean "I promise to say I
love you".
She was then shown SEVERAL articles on several marital rape convictions.....
1126802761.173860.316...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
I wouldn't refer to anyone in that article except for the children as
"victims." Maybe to you, everyone is a victim, but a woman who
deliberately marries an abusive man and then lets him in the house is
not a victim.
1126850910.636846.121...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
In case you missed my subtle, unspoken point, it is that many women are
devious, backstabbing succubi; entrapment and false rape charges are
just two of their many sick games.
1126926843.336393.273...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Rape is still not OK under any
circumstances.
Neither is falsely accusing your husband of raping you, and neither is
marrying a man and then refusing to put out.
1126982127.985900.178...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
SO when you deliberately take your clothes off for a rapist, it goes
against all common sense. A lot of things can be read into the action
by the courts and the rapists. You make yourself into a victim on
purpose.
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11 Dec 2005 10:01:22 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:46:35 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE. A perfect match for the abject
dishonesty and idiocy that he, as a bigot and
a social retard, ALWAYS displays. ]]]
ACTUAL subject header:
Facts the RRR Cult can't deal with -- # 1 --
They ALL are unconscionable BUSYBODIES.
Example A -- Abortion.
... is you killing your own relatives...
WRONG, mindless loon. ALL "relatives" have been BORN,
since **personhood** BEGINS at **birth."
Even the Bible makes that VERY clear:
(1) It NEVER defends human reproductive-process entities
at **any** stage as people.
(2) The ONLY time it defends a fetus, it regards it as PROP-
ERTY. **not** as a person. in a passage that ALSO
happens to *condone* SLAVERY! (Ex.21:20-25).
Are we to take from Chilton's statement here that he now believes in
the Bible?? If God were all powerful and all knowing (which God is, in
fact) why would he bury his words in desert caves?
Wouldn't God make his word apparent by like maybe creating an
incredible world with trees, oceans, etc etc etc that is so grand that
his existence were obvious to all who look. Maybe that's why wherever
you go in this world, people believe in God, by whatever name they
might use.
Meanwhile, back to the Chillster. Why is he all of a sudden all caught
up in the Bible! Why is he reading something he thinks is worhtless?
(3) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with BIRTH order.
(4) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with BIRTHrights.
(5) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with first-BORNS.
(6) ALL human life that is defended in the Bible is PEOPLE.
(And **all** people have been *born."
<Propagandistic and CLUELESS (as in -- NO FACTS)
lying hate-swill by a total ignoramus and bigot flushed.>
HERE are the FACTS!! ---
Whether or not a girl or woman chooses this remedy, and
thereby enables herself to exercise this remedial form of self-
defense against an unwanted medical condition, in order to
immediately *restore* her well-being and full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels --- is NO one
else's business but HERS. There is NO way that any stranger
can justify his/her seeking to put her in the position of being
FORCED to gestate-to-term against her will. So whenever it
is pointed out to the RRR Cult bigot that he's a **BUSYBODY**
-- he *invariably* either clams up or mutters something ludicrous
that does nothing to get him off the hook. He's revealed as the
total LOSER that such people (the RRR Cult's lemmings) truly
are.
'Remedy' schremedy...that wiggly thing she is killing... it's no remedy
for him or her...it's a death sentence.
of the Taliban.
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On 11 Dec 2005 20:01:22 -0800,
<awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE. A perfect match for the abject
dishonesty and idiocy that he, as a bigot and
a social retard, ALWAYS displays. ]]]
ACTUAL subject header:
Facts the RRR Cult can't deal with -- # 1 --
They ALL are unconscionable BUSYBODIES.
Example A -- Abortion.
... is you killing your own relatives...
WRONG, mindless loon. ALL "relatives" have been BORN,
since **personhood** BEGINS at **birth."
Even the Bible makes that VERY clear:
(1) It NEVER defends human reproductive-process entities
at **any** stage as people.
(2) The ONLY time it defends a fetus, it regards it as PROP-
ERTY. **not** as a person. in a passage that ALSO
happens to *condone* SLAVERY! (Ex.21:20-25).
Are we to take from Chilton's statement here that he now
believes in the Bible??
My father was a minister, and I've been a Christian and have
believed in the Bible fro longer than I can remember.
If God were all powerful and all knowing (which God is, in
fact) why would he bury his words in desert caves?
So that they could be **discovered** at a time that He desired, no
doubt. As VERIFICATION of the Bible's having been translated
accurately, down through the centuries. They're not the original texts,
but they com close enough in time to being so, to be useful for that
purpose. I've been to Qumran, and upon looking across a deep
ravine to the small cave opening, in that which can best be described
as "badlands" terrain, it was easy to see how they went undiscovered
for so long.
Wouldn't God make his word apparent by like maybe creating an
incredible world with trees, oceans, etc etc etc that is so grand that
his existence were obvious to all who look. Maybe that's why wherever
you go in this world, people believe in God, by whatever name they
might use.
Meanwhile, back to [Craig]. Why is he all of a sudden all caught
up in the Bible!
LOL!!! When *wasn't* I? Prior to age 3, perhaps?
Why is he reading something he thinks is worhtless?
Why are YOU such an abject liar?
(3) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with BIRTH order.
(4) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with BIRTHrights.
(5) That personhood begins at birth is emphasized in its
passages dealing with first-BORNS.
(6) ALL human life that is defended in the Bible is PEOPLE.
(And **all** people have been *born."
<Propagandistic and CLUELESS (as in -- NO FACTS)
lying hate-swill by a total ignoramus and bigot flushed.>
HERE are the FACTS!! ---
Whether or not a girl or woman chooses this remedy, and
thereby enables herself to exercise this remedial form of self-
defense against an unwanted medical condition, in order to
immediately *restore* her well-being and full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels --- is NO one
else's business but HERS. There is NO way that any stranger
can justify his/her seeking to put her in the position of being
FORCED to gestate-to-term against her will. So whenever it
is pointed out to the RRR Cult bigot that he's a **BUSYBODY**
-- he *invariably* either clams up or mutters something ludicrous
that does nothing to get him off the hook. He's revealed as the
total LOSER that such people (the RRR Cult's lemmings) truly
are.
'Remedy' schremedy...that wiggly thing she is killing... it's no
remedy for him or her...it's a death sentence.
To the SAME degree and significance that elective abortion of
more than a QUADRILLION such potential people DAILY on the
part of men is, worldwide. EACH of those gametes being an entity
of the reproductive process (without which NO births could occur),
unique, human, and alive. (SO MUCH for that idiotic nonsense
about "life beginning at fertilization.")
However, there are millions of very IGNORANT people who
attempt to ascribe value to the Stage 2,3, and 4 entities of the
reproductive process while HYPOCRITICALLY looking the other
way with respect to the Stage 1 ones. And they are SO dumb,
they disregard the Bible's obvious lack of concern for all four of
those stages PRIOR to birth, as the points above make quite
clear.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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11 Dec 2005 10:35:46 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2005 20:01:22 -0800,
spake thusly:
If God were all powerful and all knowing (which God is, in
fact) why would he bury his words in desert caves?
Someone buried a copy. When has man not had the word
of God?
Wouldn't God make his word apparent by like maybe creating an
incredible world with trees, oceans, etc etc etc that is so grand that
his existence were obvious to all who look.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
- Romans 1:20
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
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| User: "James Riske" |
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11 Dec 2005 07:45:00 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:05:07 GMT, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:46:35 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE. A perfect match for the abject
dishonesty and idiocy that he, as a bigot and
a social retard, ALWAYS displays. ]]]
I don't see any lie in the subject, it is true that there are some
facts that you can't deal with.
For example, that fact that you are a proven liar and a hatemongering
idiot who is so utterly terrified of honest debate that you have to
snip parts and play the snip/copy/paste game to try and hide yourself
from the facts.
You are a hateful little liberal ***** Craig and don't let anyone tell
you any different.
"The ***** is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
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11 Dec 2005 09:34:46 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:45:00 -0500,
Trollish LOSER, James Riske <james.riske@hotmail.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, John P. Boatwright wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[[[ READERS: As you're about to see, the artificial
subject header that Boatsunk used here is
a total LIE. A perfect match for the abject
dishonesty and idiocy that he, as a bigot and
a social retard, ALWAYS displays. ]]]
I don't see any lie in the subject, ...
Ah. So you're blind as a bat, huh? Or as DUMB as a slug.
One or the other. Possibly both.
...it is true that there are some facts that you can't deal with.
Wrong. There's no such thing as a fact that I can't deal with.
But losers like *you* react to relevant facts the way that Dracula
would react to noonday sunlight, wooden stakes, and crosses.
Because they ALL indict you and your fetid & hateful agendas.
For example, that fact that you are a proven liar...
Outright LIE on *your* part. I never lie in my posts, so you will
never be able to substantiate that inane claim.
...and a hatemongering idiot...
WHICH of the two of us supports a loathsome agenda that seeks
to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of MILLIONS
of women by FORCING childbirth upon them? AGAINST their will.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient, Stage 2, 3, and 4 reproductive-process entities
which are, in all important ways, equivalent to the Stage 1 entities
that you so *hypocritically* do NOT "defend"-- which *also* are
human, unique, alive, and comprise a stage of development without
which NO births would occur. UNwanted entities which the WOMEN
very sensibly, under their circumstances, often regard to be parasitic.
Further manifestations of that hardship would be the DISRUPTION
of their well-being, both short-term and long-term (as in, for decades
or a lifetime)... and the DESTRUCTION of countless of their oppor-
tunities.
That would be YOU.
Whereas, I am a sensible and fair-minded DEFENDER of personal
libeties *against* such sociopathic agendas of hate.
Yep. YOU are clearly the hatemongering idiot here.
Q.E.D. all the way!!
...who is so utterly terrified of honest debate that you have to
snip parts and play the snip/copy/paste game to try and hide yourself
from the facts.
Wrong. My opponents do that routinely, for THOSE reasons.
Most of the time that *I* snip an opponent's material, it is because I
don't REPEAT lying propaganda and hate-swill for them in MY posts,
unless I choose to leave it in , in order to use it as an example of
their dishonesty, bigotry, ignorance, or combination thereof.
And material that I snip NEVER contains any relevant facts that
support their stance. For very good reason. It is doubtful that ANY
relevant facts even EXIST that support their inane and hateful
agendas, So the snippage is of garbage.
You are a hateful...
Wrong. As I **proved** above.
...little...
Wrong again, liar.
...liberal...
The first TRUTHFUL thing you've said. These days, one of
the most **shameful** things a person can do is be a social **rightard.**
(Not to mention one of the most idiotic. I am very PROUD to be a
personal-liberties-DEFENDING social liberal!!
...*****...
ROTFL!!! Sorry, liar, but I've never had (nor desired) a sex-
change operation. Therefore, am still male.
Craig and don't let anyone tell you any different.
You're funnier than hell, Riske. You are SO dumb, you walk
right out here and PROVE your dishonesty and idiocy in public.
What a tool.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| Title: Re: Facts the RRR Cult can't deal with -- # 1 -- They ALL are unconscionable BUSYBODIES. |
07 Dec 2005 11:42:31 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:33:30 GMT, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
wrote in message <anafp1hn5rpf7kc3qiapsvltmq7bekn1en@4ax.com>
Example A -- Abortion.
Whether or not a girl or woman chooses this remedy, and
thereby enables herself to exercise this remedial form of self-
defense against an unwanted medical condition, in order to
immediately *restore* her well-being and full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels --- is NO one
else's business but HERS. There is NO way that any stranger
can justify his/her seeking to put her in the position of being
FORCED to gestate-to-term against her will. So whenever it
is pointed out to the RRR Cult bigot that he's a **BUSYBODY**
-- he *invariably* either clams up or mutters something ludicrous
that does nothing to get him off the hook. He's revealed as the
total LOSER that such people (the RRR Cult's lemmings) truly
are.
Example B -- Same-Sex Marriage
Just as was the case with interracial marriage 38 years
earlier, about which countless tens of thousands of social retards
screeched and yowled to -- ultimately -- no avail... and the sky
never fell... the same goes for same-sex marriage. The RRR
cultists screech and yowl, and it will ultimately be to no avail.
Same-sex marriage will be legal everywhere. And just as was
the case with interracial marriage, society will be *better* for
having lost another facet of bigotry forever. And the sky won't
fall. And not long afterward, just as we saw happen with inter-
racial marriage, people won't even be giving it a second thought.
As in, "Ho-hum. Who cares?" And society will remember THIS
era, and the ludicrous busybodyism of the RRR Cultists, and
shake their heads in amazement that anyone *ever* could have
made such a big deal out of absolutely NOTHING. Since it's
hard to even **imagine** how anything could be more *harmless*
than same-sex marriage. Busybodies are losers... and on THIS
issue, the RRR cultists prove that in spades!
In summary:
BUSYBODYISM is a common-denominator personality
defect that afflicts ALL who are lemmings of the RRR Cult. It
is a *prerequisite* for being one. Any person who has the intel-
ligence and common sense to mind his own business when it
comes to harmless matters that are none of his business not
only CAN'T be such a lemming... but he wouldn't in a million
years ever WANT to be one.
Busybodyism = abject stupidity.
Know some one who's an RRR cultist... either a lemming
or one of its oligarchical leaders? Ask him/her THESE two
questions. Their answers... whether they be subject-changing
or a lame try at answering the truly unanswerable... should be
CLASSIC! ---
(1) Since having an abortion is a personal decision on
the part of someone being victimized by an unwanted
medical condition, why would you have ANY desire
to BUTT IN to her business by being an opponent of
her having ready access to that remedy?
(2) Considering the fact that there is NO way that any
opposite-sex couple's marriage could be harmed in
the least if a same-sex couple in their community
that's been cohabiting for years suddenly finds that
they can legally get married, so go ahead and tie the
knot... how can you possibly justify your being such
a BUTTINSKY as to oppose their right to do so?
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
A Tennessee judge in 1872 - 133 years ago - ruling against a racially
mixed couple who had moved to the state:
". . . we might have living in Tennessee the father living with
daughter, yhe son with the mother, the brother with his sister, in
lawful wedlock, because they had formed such relations in a state in a
state or country where they were not prohibited. The Turk or the
Mohammedan, with his numerous wives, may establish his harem at the
doors of the capital, and we are without remedy. Yet none of these are
more revolting, more to be avoided, or more unnatural than the case
before us."
Fundie ignorance & bigotry never ends: They just change the target.
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08 Dec 2005 12:42:49 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 05:42:31 GMT,
"Boy Toy" <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Example A -- Abortion.
Whether or not a girl or woman chooses this remedy, and
thereby enables herself to exercise this remedial form of self-
defense against an unwanted medical condition, in order to
immediately *restore* her well-being and full range of future
opportunities to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels --- is NO one
else's business but HERS. There is NO way that any stranger
can justify his/her seeking to put her in the position of being
FORCED to gestate-to-term against her will. So whenever it
is pointed out to the RRR Cult bigot that he's a **BUSYBODY**
-- he *invariably* either clams up or mutters something ludicrous
that does nothing to get him off the hook. He's revealed as the
total LOSER that such people (the RRR Cult's lemmings) truly
are.
Example B -- Same-Sex Marriage
Just as was the case with interracial marriage 38 years
earlier, about which countless tens of thousands of social retards
screeched and yowled to -- ultimately -- no avail... and the sky
never fell... the same goes for same-sex marriage. The RRR
cultists screech and yowl, and it will ultimately be to no avail.
Same-sex marriage will be legal everywhere. And just as was
the case with interracial marriage, society will be *better* for
having lost another facet of bigotry forever. And the sky won't
fall. And not long afterward, just as we saw happen with inter-
racial marriage, people won't even be giving it a second thought.
As in, "Ho-hum. Who cares?" And society will remember THIS
era, and the ludicrous busybodyism of the RRR Cultists, and
shake their heads in amazement that anyone *ever* could have
made such a big deal out of absolutely NOTHING. Since it's
hard to even **imagine** how anything could be more *harmless*
than same-sex marriage. Busybodies are losers... and on THIS
issue, the RRR cultists prove that in spades!
In summary:
BUSYBODYISM is a common-denominator personality
defect that afflicts ALL who are lemmings of the RRR Cult. It
is a *prerequisite* for being one. Any person who has the intel-
ligence and common sense to mind his own business when it
comes to harmless matters that are none of his business not
only CAN'T be such a lemming... but he wouldn't in a million
years ever WANT to be one.
Busybodyism = abject stupidity.
Know some one who's an RRR cultist... either a lemming
or one of its oligarchical leaders? Ask him/her THESE two
questions. Their answers... whether they be subject-changing
or a lame try at answering the truly unanswerable... should be
CLASSIC! ---
(1) Since having an abortion is a personal decision on
the part of someone being victimized by an unwanted
medical condition, why would you have ANY desire
to BUTT IN to her business by being an opponent of
her having ready access to that remedy?
(2) Considering the fact that there is NO way that any
opposite-sex couple's marriage could be harmed in
the least if a same-sex couple in their community
that's been cohabiting for years suddenly finds that
they can legally get married, so go ahead and tie the
knot... how can you possibly justify your being such
a BUTTINSKY as to oppose their right to do so?
A Tennessee judge in 1872 - 133 years ago -- ruling against a racially-
mixed couple who had moved to the state:
". . . we might have living in Tennessee the father living with
daughter, yhe son with the mother, the brother with his sister, in
lawful wedlock, because they had formed such relations in a state
in a state or country where they were not prohibited. The Turk or the
Mohammedan, with his numerous wives, may establish his harem at the
doors of the capital, and we are without remedy. Yet none of these are
more revolting, more to be avoided, or more unnatural than the case
before us."
Fundie ignorance & bigotry never ends: They just change the target.
Indeed. They are some of the bone-IGNORANT loons on the face
of the earth. And they prove that constantly. The RRR Cult is America's
National Laughingstock.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| Title: A Supernova Makes DOG MEAT of the "Young Earth Creationists." |
08 Dec 2005 07:18:09 AM |
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Source: http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/7/4/04856/95219
(Entire essay may be accessed there)
Excerpt from:
Creationism, Supernova, & the Fate of the Universe
by "Dark Syde"
Colin Henshaw wasn't thinking about biology or anthropology, and certainly
not about creationism, on a crisp night in 1987. The debate between science
and religious fundamentalism was likely the furthest thing from his mind.
The amateur astronomer was simply doing what he loved to do; admiring the
stars. He was a teacher in Africa who lacked the expensive equipment of the
professional, and he had never had a chance to run a proper observatory as
had been his childhood dream, but what he lacked in money and formal
training he made up for in passion, self education, and drive.
That fateful evening, looking at a faint hazy splotch in the southern
hemisphere long known to astronomers as the Large Magellanic Cloud, a
mere puff of stars hanging high above the blazing disk of the proud Milky
Way, Henshaw saw something while peering through a modest pair of
binoculars. Shining conspicuously in the dim nebula was a brilliant,
blue-white, diamond point, so intense it almost hurt his eyes; and it
hadn't been there before. Almost sheepishly he called up a local
observatory. It's probably no big deal he told them, but maybe if they
hadn't looked at it, they could check it out?
... Within a few hours of reporting the oddity, billions of dollars of the
most hi-tech hardware from all over the planet as well as in space were
trained on that tiny region. Lo and behold, there lay one of the most
stunningly splendid and violent showcases of raw destruction our cosmos
can present. And while the light fell silently on delicate instruments, the
treasure those spectral rays had escorted through the trackless depths of
space spoke volumes; as surely as the light was soundless, it was met by
the staccato popping of champagne corks and loud clapping in observa-
tories the world over. Super Nova 1987A had arrived, the nearest one
recorded by humans in a millennium, and soon astronomy would never
again be the same.
"How do you know how old the universe is; where you there?"
Well, in a word; Yes. Because of the finite speed of light, we have at our
disposal a relativistic time machine. The time machine won't let us travel
into the past, but we can observe the past directly through the portal it
provides. And in terms of how physics treats those observations, when we
look at a distant object, we're not just looking back in time, with respect
to that image, we are back in time, space-time that is!
So, perhaps the easiest argument to make against YEC is the astronomical
one. Let's examine how robust this one small part of the picture is ...
This ringed celestial jewel is the remnant of Super Nova 1987A. (The image
was taken by Mr. Hubble's Space Telescope.) A super nova is the most
dramatically explosive ending a star can hope for. For a few days after a
large star goes nova, it can outshine the other billion plus stars in its
galaxy! The doomed progenitor which gave birth to the remnant was a
blue-white supergiant catalogued as SK-69 202, and is/was located in
the Large Magellanic Cloud or LMC. The LMC is the nearest galaxy to
our own Milky Way. The nova was seen in 1987, and was thus christ-
ened SN1987A, "SN" for supernova, and "A" meaning the first of the
year. As you can see SN1987A has two offset double rings of faint
material, and a single, bright ring called the primary gas ring. This thing
is not static! That material in the rings is moving outward at a rate of 6
million miles per hour. So fast, that even from our galaxy we can see it
move and change over a few months. The reddish object in the center
is the surviving core of heavy matter where the actual star once shone.
What's important for Young Earth Creationism is that the primary gas ring
allows us to do a beautiful thing; we can directly calculate the distance
of the object from our solar system using simple triangulation.
That distance is 168,000 light years. Which incidentally is a good thing,
because if an event of this magnitude were to occur only a few light years
away from our sun, the resulting wave of heat and radiation would probably
cook off most of the air and water on earth! We also know the light from
1987A has not slowed down significantly during transit because if it had,
among other enormous problems for particle physics, events on 1987A
would be in 'slow motion' and they're not.
SK-69 202 blew up 168,000 years ago. It doesn't sound like much to those
of us who read of geological eras and the tenures of dinosaurs or mammals,
does it? But 168,000 years neatly covers most of the entire history of our
species on earth. When the blue-white giant SK 202 cut loose, mitochondrial
Eve had yet to walk the earth, to lend every living human today their
unique genetic heritage. The first crude cave wall drawing in charcoal was
a hundred thousand years in the future. Not a single piece of jewelry had,
as yet, been crafted. It's also about 160,000 years before Young Earth
Creationism claims the universe existed. Simply put we know the universe is
older than 6,000 - 10,000 years, because in 1987 we observed the light of a
super nova which actually occurred in 166,000 BC. And Super Nova 1987A
is only one of many billions of objects we can observe which utterly
refutes any possibility of Young Earth Creationism.
Another fascinating observation gleaned from that light forever lays a
classic claim of Young Earth Creationism to rest. One-hundred and fifty
years ago a well known science writer was asked to provide an example of
something which could in principle be known, but which would always remain
hidden to mankind. The columnist chose the chemical composition of distant
stellar objects. We would never travel the immense distances required to
obtain a laboratory sample the writer reasoned, thus we would never know
for sure what they were made of ... never say never when it comes to
science. Just a few years later the revolutionary field of quantum mechan-
ics was born, and soon came an application from that discipline that would
handily contradict that prediction.
A spectra is obtained by breaking light into its constituent colors, as in
a rainbow. Those wavelengths, it turns out, are as specific as a finger-
print to chemical elements. Because of this, modern astronomers can be
far more confident about the exact chemical make-up of a luminescent
Quasar 5 billion light years away than they are about the composition of
a nearby asteroid. Spectral analysis is so accurate that it is now the
preferred method for determining the chemical make-up of unknown
substances here on earth.
When the star SK-69 202 went supernova, it created exotic, short lived
substances such as Nickel 55 or Cobalt 56. These isotopes decay quickly
into other elements over the course of a few weeks or months. Thus,
through spectral analysis, the transformation from one substance to
another via this decay process can be observed to a high degree of
precision in the light of SN1987A; we're talking to within a few thous-
andths of a percentage. That data unequivocally shows that radiodecay
rates in the remote past are identical to those observed in the present,
and follow exactly the theoretically predicted models developed from
atomic theory. So not only does SN1987A tell us directly the universe is
older than Young Earth Creationism time frames, it also allows us to
observe that radiodecay rates were the same in the remote past as
they are here and now in the present. This is direct, visual evidence
that radiometric dating methods are reliable indications for the antiquity
of our mother world and the vast array of extinct life which has been
nurtured by her.
The story above, about how this one distant object can teach us lessons
about Creation that thousands of brilliant men and women speculating on
theological matters could not resolve in two-thousand years, is just the
tip of the iceberg for SN1987A. The most stunning revelation we have
learned from this remote object has nothing to do with debates over Young
Earth Creationism; for most scientists that tale is merely an anecdote, and
a moot point.
SN1987A went on to become the most studied star outside of the Milky Way
Galaxy, logging more observation time than the planet Saturn. Because of
research on super nova, much of which would never have happened so
quickly if not for SN1987A, new insight into different types of super novas
and their remains was developed. One of those insights led to a brand new
methodology of measuring the distance and speed of extraordinarily distant
galaxies using a special type of super nova to obtain a degree of precision
previously unavailable. Once that method was used to create a large scale
map of the galactic clusters in our universe together with their Hubble
Redshifts, it knocked astronomers off their feet in surprise. The technique
brought to light the most astonishing discovery in cosmology since Hubble
first found the universe was expanding. We now know that the universe is
not just expanding, it's accelerating. And this knowledge has led to an
entirely new field of physics which was completely unpredictable, utterly
unknown just ten years ago, and which may shed light on the most
fundamental questions of space, time, matter and energy: That discovery
is called Dark Energy.
This mysterious heretofore completely unsuspected force comprises fully
two-thirds of the mass of our cosmos! What we previously thought of as
our 'universe', the familiar baryonic matter and energy that stars,
planets, nebula, and galaxies are made out of, is but a light frothing, a
mere afterthought, on a mighty sea of dark matter and dark energy. The gut
feeling among cosmologists is that if and when science starts to get a
handle on the nature of Dark Energy, our understanding of the cosmos will
move ahead in a breathtaking leap rivaling the year when Isaac Newton got
conked on the head by the proverbial apple. (The same data solved an
outstanding problem in cosmology which some Young Earthers had also
used to ridicule modern astronomy. A straight line regression of the
observed expansion rate into the past converged on an age for the uni-
verse which happened to be slightly younger than some of the oldest stars
in it. That was obviously no good! In an accelerating universe however, one
could extrapolate that in the past the universe had been expanding at a
slower rate, which meant the universe was a bit older than a decelerating
model would predict). This unexpectedly momentous discovery is the true
legacy of SN1987A.
The body of science often grows along a wondrous vein of serendipity in
directions that cannot be foreseen. An ordinary guy, a pair of binoculars,
a dab of reason and research, and we see revealed a story as old as man in
an ancient star that lived fast and died young, rather than burning out and
fading away. Isn't it awe inspiring to contemplate that this star, which
once shone with bold, unwavering, confidence long before we appeared
on the evolutionary scene, and passed away at the start of our human
tenure on earth, still reaches out to us across the eons, illuminating a
key piece of the cosmic puzzle, guiding our appreciation of what the
universe may look like trillions of years in the future, and hints to us of
phenomena as novel as when Galileo first pointed his crude telescope
to the heavens? Can you imagine what we would have missed had the
Young Earth Creationists been in charge of decreeing science policy
during the time period in which SN1987A was discovered?
Some may feel that defending science is not as critically important as
other struggles against the forces of ignorance and theocratic/dogmatic
thuggery we have faced down as a nation and as a species. I disagree
only in that I think it's all tied together; the integrity of science, the
integrity of the nation, the core liberties we all hold dear, etc. It's all
part of the same platform and it's all under assault by the same
extremists both here and abroad.
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So pack in your PSEUDO-science, "creationist" wackoes. More than
ever, your mindless agenda has reached Laughingstock Status with
people who are *both* intelligent *and* sensible.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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