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Famous Atheist Now Believes in God Based on Scientific Evidence |
NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 — A British philosophy professor who has been a
leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his
mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and
says so on a video released Thursday.
At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has
concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created
the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the
origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone
interview from England.
Flew said he's best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was
not actively involved in people's lives.
"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far
and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent
Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person
in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."
Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and
Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford
religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.
Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching
at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits
to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and
debates.
There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent
months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.
Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable
complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that
intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has
Science Discovered God?"
The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy
Abraham Varghese's Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas.
Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an
Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland's
University of St. Andrews.
The first hint of Flew's turn was a letter to the August-September issue of
Britain's Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately difficult
even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the
evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote.
The letter commended arguments in Schroeder's "The Hidden Face of God" and
"The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman.
This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new
outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and Philosophy,"
scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Press.
Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets
people, well "that's too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by
the principle of Plato's Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."
Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate
student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the
atheistic www.infidels.org Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew
accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife.
Flew's "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about
atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to
Flew's reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don't think it's like a big
deal."
Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with
American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding
force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution
but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.
A Methodist minister's son, Flew became an atheist at 15.
Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute
proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether
the concept of God meant anything at all.
Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off the
presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God
must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those
arguing that God exists.
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10 Dec 2004 02:38:08 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1102643923.3c974acc7a4efa18c6b77400e270a087@bubbanews...
NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 - A British philosophy professor who has been a
leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his
mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence,
< snip drivel >
Seeing the light at that age (81) is not all that uncommon ... it is called
hedging one's bet at the onset of senility: what if, even though 99.999%
impossible, there might be a god ... better save than sorry. Now light up
that doobie and insert that shiny disk with the colorful prism on it ...
that Pink Floyd thingie ...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Dec 2004 01:10:43 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
NEW YORK Dec 9, 2004 — A British philosophy professor who has been a
leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his
mind. He now believes in God more or less based on scientific evidence, and
says so on a video released Thursday.
At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has
concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created
the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the
origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone
interview from England.
LOL! I'm always amused at those people who insist that because _they_
cannot imagine anything else that there must be a god.
They first elevate themselves to omniscience and then decree that God
must exist.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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09 Dec 2004 10:23:30 PM |
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I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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11 Dec 2004 10:10:03 AM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
So what do you think of pseudo-intellectuals who use the terms "atheist"
and "theist" as if they were antonyms, and even take that linguistic error
a step further, by portraying this imaginary relationship as if these were
two opposing football teams? The alien rules of syntax and grammar of
donor languages such as Latin and Greek cannot be applied directly to
the English language adaptations of those terms, else we might find that
such pairs as 'prostitution and constitution', or 'progress and congress',
were antonyms.
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| User: "Vanilla Gorilla Monkey Boy" |
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11 Dec 2004 07:54:13 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:10:03 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<vZEud.47818$Uf.21319@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
So what do you think of pseudo-intellectuals who use the terms "atheist"
and "theist" as if they were antonyms, and even take that linguistic error
a step further, by portraying this imaginary relationship as if these were
two opposing football teams? The alien rules of syntax and grammar of
donor languages such as Latin and Greek cannot be applied directly to
the English language adaptations of those terms, else we might find that
such pairs as 'prostitution and constitution', or 'progress and congress',
were antonyms.
Those last two could be.
--
V.G.
Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"Actually the Law of Conservation of Energy proves there's free energy." - Professor Alexa connects some brand new dots.
Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.
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| User: "Ærchie" |
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11 Dec 2004 10:36:44 AM |
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Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Douglas D. Anderson didst gyre and
gimble in the wabe while reciting:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
So what do you think of pseudo-intellectuals who use the terms "atheist"
and "theist" as if they were antonyms, and even take that linguistic error
a step further, by portraying this imaginary relationship as if these were
two opposing football teams? The alien rules of syntax and grammar of
donor languages such as Latin and Greek cannot be applied directly to
the English language adaptations of those terms, else we might find that
such pairs as 'prostitution and constitution', or 'progress and congress',
were antonyms.
They aren't? Actually, Doug, the rules were made for the guidance of the
wise and the obedience of fools. The discussion is not about contheist or
protheist. Common usage overcomes the strict letter of the grammatical law.
That is how we know a language is still alive.
Ærchie the detheist (untheist? non-theist?)
Ærchie
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:01:22 PM |
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"Ærchie" <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Douglas D. Anderson didst gyre and
gimble in the wabe while reciting:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
So what do you think of pseudo-intellectuals who use the terms "atheist"
and "theist" as if they were antonyms, and even take that linguistic error
a step further, by portraying this imaginary relationship as if these were
two opposing football teams? The alien rules of syntax and grammar of
donor languages such as Latin and Greek cannot be applied directly to
the English language adaptations of those terms, else we might find that
such pairs as 'prostitution and constitution', or 'progress and congress',
were antonyms.
They aren't? Actually, Doug, the rules were made for the guidance of the
wise and the obedience of fools. The discussion is not about contheist or
protheist. Common usage overcomes the strict letter of the grammatical law.
That is how we know a language is still alive.
But the term "theist" cannot be taken to mean the opposite of "atheist",
because in current -living language- usage, the term "theist" has the
common meaning, all dictionaries tossed aside, of a sort of Christian
who believes in "God the Father" but questions or denies the divinity
of Jesus, and holds him to have been a sort of "enlightened teacher".
Thus when someone says "Thomas Jefferson was a theist", or "the
Jahovah's witnesses are theists", that is the sense in which they mean
it. On the other hand, the opposite of "atheist" could be any sort of
believer in a spiritual origin and nature of the universe, from a Hindu
to a Polynesian witch doctor.
Ærchie the detheist (untheist? non-theist?)
Ærchie
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| User: "Ærchie" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:43:29 PM |
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Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Douglas D. Anderson didst gyre and
gimble in the wabe while reciting:
"Ærchie" <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Douglas D. Anderson didst gyre and
gimble in the wabe while reciting:
"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
So what do you think of pseudo-intellectuals who use the terms "atheist"
and "theist" as if they were antonyms, and even take that linguistic error
a step further, by portraying this imaginary relationship as if these were
two opposing football teams? The alien rules of syntax and grammar of
donor languages such as Latin and Greek cannot be applied directly to
the English language adaptations of those terms, else we might find that
such pairs as 'prostitution and constitution', or 'progress and congress',
were antonyms.
They aren't? Actually, Doug, the rules were made for the guidance of the
wise and the obedience of fools. The discussion is not about contheist or
protheist. Common usage overcomes the strict letter of the grammatical law.
That is how we know a language is still alive.
But the term "theist" cannot be taken to mean the opposite of "atheist",
because in current -living language- usage, the term "theist" has the
common meaning, all dictionaries tossed aside, of a sort of Christian
who believes in "God the Father" but questions or denies the divinity
of Jesus, and holds him to have been a sort of "enlightened teacher".
Thus when someone says "Thomas Jefferson was a theist", or "the
Jahovah's witnesses are theists", that is the sense in which they mean
it. On the other hand, the opposite of "atheist" could be any sort of
believer in a spiritual origin and nature of the universe, from a Hindu
to a Polynesian witch doctor.
If you want to toss all dictionaries aside and use words with a meaning you
and your minority apply, ignoring the majority who use it in a different
way then you will have perfect understanding when I do the same.
Butter rocked smoothly in place however Hindustani platypuses swung
diligently. Excelsior!" cried Stan Lee, as Spidey's nipples went *spung*,
fading to the brightest hue and cry.
Returning to plain, dictionary based, English; theism is the belief in a
god. Oh, sorry, I forgot. You are a Republican. A twister of words,
incapable of seeing the harm done by words misused. Or worse, you do know
of the harm and delight in its consequences.
I apologise. In the great New American Century in which all nations shall
become subservient to the Republican Party words shall mean whatever you
choose.
Ærchie
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:54:44 PM |
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"Ærchie" <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
I apologise. In the great New American Century in which all nations shall
become subservient to the Republican Party words shall mean whatever you
choose.
Actually that was a bit of fiction, similar to how an optimist is a black eye
doctor. And no, the Republicans are conservative, and conservative has
to do with tradition and status quo. Most of the new meanings of words
coming out of this country will be Ebonics, which is currently associated
with the Democrats.
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| User: "Ærchie" |
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11 Dec 2004 09:15:53 PM |
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Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Douglas D. Anderson didst gyre and
gimble in the wabe while reciting:
"Ærchie" <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
I apologise. In the great New American Century in which all nations shall
become subservient to the Republican Party words shall mean whatever you
choose.
Actually that was a bit of fiction, similar to how an optimist is a black eye
doctor. And no, the Republicans are conservative, and conservative has
to do with tradition and status quo. Most of the new meanings of words
coming out of this country will be Ebonics, which is currently associated
with the Democrats.
As is anything which resembles common sense in the American political
scene.
Ærchie
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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12 Dec 2004 10:27:32 AM |
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"Ærchie" <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Douglas D. Anderson didst gyre and
gimble in the wabe while reciting:
"Ærchie" <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
I apologise. In the great New American Century in which all nations shall
become subservient to the Republican Party words shall mean whatever you
choose.
Actually that was a bit of fiction, similar to how an optimist is a black eye
doctor. And no, the Republicans are conservative, and conservative has
to do with tradition and status quo. Most of the new meanings of words
coming out of this country will be Ebonics, which is currently associated
with the Democrats.
As is anything which resembles common sense in the American political
scene.
Obviously there is an aspect of environment and climate which makes each
region unique, and consequently what "makes sense" locally does not seem
to make sense elsewhere, and those who don't see this are innocently guilty
of provincialism. When the Dutch, French, English and Spanish were going
about making the whole world Dutch, French, English and Spanish, they
were unable to touch some localities and their people, such as the Amazon
basin area, because their ways no longer made any sense at all, and natives
of that area who had evolved in that environment actually have what it takes
to survive there. After all, survival of life is the real bottom line, no particular
belief system or political program matters so much. And life doesn't care in
any case what particular race or species survives, just so _some_ race or
species survives, because in a million or a billion years it can evolve as need
be, and there is no hurry. In order to survive, all of the leavings of the Dutch,
French English and Spanish, and everyone else who came along or got taken
along or taken in, have had to adapt to the regions in which they no live in
order to refine their superior but defective ways and modes of survival. In
short, Australians seem just as weird to Americans, but it is an enlightened
attitude to assume that either that weirdness makes sense locally or the locals
will take care of it. There was a huge outrage here when Steve Irwin seemed
to have held his baby in front of a crocodile. I personally figured it was his
business, it might not have really been what it seemed, and it was odd that
so many were getting so agitated by that. Now if the Aussies invaded Borneo
with great armies of crocodiles, in order to drive out the Orangutans, that
would be merely one more event in the history of life proving out the survival
of the fittest.
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| User: "Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" |
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12 Dec 2004 12:39:39 AM |
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Ærchie wrote:
If you want to toss all dictionaries aside and use words with a meaning
you and your minority apply, ignoring the majority who use it in a
different way then you will have perfect understanding when I do the same.
Butter rocked smoothly in place however Hindustani platypuses swung
diligently. Excelsior!" cried Stan Lee, as Spidey's nipples went *spung*,
fading to the brightest hue and cry.
Returning to plain, dictionary based, English; theism is the belief in a
god. Oh, sorry, I forgot. You are a Republican. A twister of words,
incapable of seeing the harm done by words misused. Or worse, you do know
of the harm and delight in its consequences.
I apologise. In the great New American Century in which all nations shall
become subservient to the Republican Party words shall mean whatever you
choose.
Ærchie
*****, yer a whining commie *****. ***** off.
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12 Dec 2004 10:11:06 PM |
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"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Ærchie wrote:
If you want to toss all dictionaries aside and use words with a meaning
you and your minority apply, ignoring the majority who use it in a
different way then you will have perfect understanding when I do the
same.
Butter rocked smoothly in place however Hindustani platypuses swung
diligently. Excelsior!" cried Stan Lee, as Spidey's nipples went *spung*,
fading to the brightest hue and cry.
Returning to plain, dictionary based, English; theism is the belief in a
god. Oh, sorry, I forgot. You are a Republican. A twister of words,
incapable of seeing the harm done by words misused. Or worse, you do know
of the harm and delight in its consequences.
I apologise. In the great New American Century in which all nations shall
become subservient to the Republican Party words shall mean whatever you
choose.
Ærchie
*****, yer a whining commie *****. ***** off.
i believe you're gonna cry like a little girly again fag boy.
Great Sex Coupon
Did you hear about the fellow that was talking to his buddy, and he said, "I
don't know what to get my wife for her birthday. She has everything, and
besides, she can afford to buy anything she wants, so I'm stumped." His
buddy said, "I have an idea. Why don't you make up a certificate that says
she can have two hours of great sex, any way she wants it. She'll probably
be thrilled!" So the first fella did just that. The next day his buddy
asked, "Well, did you take my suggestion? How'd it turn out?" "She loved it.
She jumped up, thanked me, kissed me on the mouth, and ran out the door
yelling -- I'll see you in two hours!"
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| User: "Vanilla Gorilla Monkey Boy" |
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10 Dec 2004 12:43:07 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> wrote in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<6x9ud.15400$Ya4.13538@edtnps84>:
I think it speaks volumes
Not really.
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Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"Actually the Law of Conservation of Energy proves there's free energy." - Professor Alexa connects some brand new dots.
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| User: "Mel" |
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10 Dec 2004 07:13:00 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote in message <6x9ud.15400$Ya4.13538@edtnps84>:
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
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10 Dec 2004 08:03:01 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote in message <6x9ud.15400$Ya4.13538@edtnps84>:
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then
there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
just like you fag boy?
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
that you will fag boy.
***** or Lick?
There once lived a king and a queen who ruled a large kingdom. The king was
short in vital parts and the queen had to seek solace with every *****, Tom
and harry.
After some time the king grew suspicious of the queen's escapades and wanted
to punish the subjects willing to risk their lives for a fling with her.
He sought the services of his court magician to help identify the culprits.
The magician built an invisible contraption that was attached to the queen's
waist. The mechanism was simple, it would slice any elongated object that
ventured anywhere within an inch of the queen's waist.
Having set his trap the king set off on a hunting trip and returned to his
palace after spending a sleepless week and burning with curiosity.
Immediately after his arrival he summoned the queen's private bodyguards to
his foyer and having despatched all attendants ordered them to undress. All
of them had lost their penises! He next summoned the palace guards and the
result was the same. By mid-afternoon he realised that there was not a
single male soul in the vicinity who had not made a valiant attempt only to
be left peniless (pun).
The only man left was his minister and to his surprise the king, on
inspection found the only man who had a penis left on him!
Pleseed with his minister's loyalty he asked him as to what punishment would
befit all the others and in reply received only a blubbering sound from the
minister's mouth.
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10 Dec 2004 08:45:27 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:03:01 -0600, "GP of ATJ"
<GP_of_ATJ@NoFagBoysAllowed.Com> wrote:
[...]
***** or Lick?
What, did you want a taste?
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10 Dec 2004 09:23:30 AM |
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Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
wabe while reciting:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
wrote in message <6x9ud.15400$Ya4.13538@edtnps84>:
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
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10 Dec 2004 05:15:17 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
in message <tqfjr0tbfj2ksrlp3324gn253thg0eodau@4ax.com>:
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
wabe while reciting:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other than
to say that God made it.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
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12 Dec 2004 11:24:33 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:cq9kr0ljcl0e1a981hh2go8j2irm99f6gm@4ax.com...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
in message <tqfjr0tbfj2ksrlp3324gn253thg0eodau@4ax.com>:
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
wabe while reciting:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then
there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than
to say that God made it.
that rock you bow down to doesn't count fag boy.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
only in your warped mind fag boy.
Triplets
A woman pregnant with triplets is walking down the street when a masked
robber runs out the bank and shoots her three times in the stomach. Luckily
the babies are okay. The surgeon decides to leave the bullets in because
it's too risky to operate. All is fine for 16 years, and then one daughter
walks into the room in tears. "What's wrong" asks the mother. "I was taking
pee and this bullet came out" replies the daughter. The mother tells her
it's okay and explains what happened 16 years ago. About a week later the
second daughter walks in to the room in tears. "Mom, I was taking pee and
this bullet came out". Again the mother tells her not to worry and explains
what happened 16 years ago. A week later the boy walks into the room in
tears. "It's okay" says the mom, "I know what happened, you were taking a
pee and a bullet came out." "No," says the boy, "I was jerking off and I
shot the dog."
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12 Dec 2004 05:23:42 AM |
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Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
in message <tqfjr0tbfj2ksrlp3324gn253thg0eodau@4ax.com>:
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
wabe while reciting:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other than
to say that God made it.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
To believe anything is flawed.
Things existing in reality are interpersonally observed, thus leaving no room
for 'believing'.
One can only believe that things are as he or she thinks, but the belief cannot
be interpersonally validated.
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| User: "Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" |
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12 Dec 2004 08:12:34 AM |
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Tatu Portin wrote:
Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com>
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts (you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you
have about seventeen different threads all gloating over the same
story. Idiots. If atheists did this every time a theist realizes
there is no god(s) then there would be no bandwidth left on the
internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than to say that God made it.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
To believe anything is flawed.
Things existing in reality are interpersonally observed, thus leaving no
room for 'believing'.
the universe exists. believe it or not.
One can only believe that things are as he or she thinks, but the belief
cannot be interpersonally validated.
thanks for expressing your unfettered opinion.
nature's laws are God's laws, ergo I deduce that nature is God or a
reasonable facsimile thereof.
go now before I eat you.
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14 Dec 2004 02:49:27 PM |
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"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Tatu Portin wrote:
Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com>
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts (you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you
have about seventeen different threads all gloating over the same
story. Idiots. If atheists did this every time a theist realizes
there is no god(s) then there would be no bandwidth left on the
internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than to say that God made it.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
To believe anything is flawed.
Things existing in reality are interpersonally observed, thus leaving no
room for 'believing'.
the universe exists. believe it or not.
One can only believe that things are as he or she thinks, but the belief
cannot be interpersonally validated.
thanks for expressing your unfettered opinion.
nature's laws are God's laws, ergo I deduce that nature is God or a
reasonable facsimile thereof.
go now before I eat you.
don't you ever get enough to eat fag boy?
Little Boy's Extortion
A married woman is having an affair. Whenever her lover comes over, she puts
her nine year old son in the closet.
One day the woman hears a car in the driveway and puts her lover in the
closet, as well. Inside the closet, the little boy says, "It's dark in here,
isn't it?"
"Yes it is," the man replies.
"You wanna buy a baseball?" the little boy asks.
"No thanks," the man replies.
"I think you do want to buy a baseball," the little extortionist continues.
"OK. How much?" the man replies after considering the position he is in.
"Twenty-five dollars," the little boy replies.
"TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS?!" the man repeats incredulously, but complies to
protect his hidden position.
The following week, the lover is visiting the woman again when she hears a
car in the driveway and, again, places her lover in the closet with her
little boy.
"It's dark in here, isn't it?" the boy starts off.
"Yes it is," replies the man.
"Wanna buy a baseball glove?" the little boy asks.
"OK. How much?" the hiding lover responds, acknowledging his disadvantage.
"Fifty dollars," the boy replies and the transaction is completed.
The next weekend, the little boy's father says "Hey, son. Go get your ball
and glove and we'll play some catch."
"I can't. I sold them," replies the little boy.
"How much did you get for them?" asks the father, expecting to hear the
profit in terms of lizards and candy.
"Seventy-five dollars," the little boy says.
"SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS?! That's thievery! I'm taking you to the church right
now. You must confess your sin and ask for forgiveness," the father explains
as he hauls the child away.
At the church, the little boy goes into the confessional, draws the curtain,
sits down, and says "It's dark in here, isn't it?"
"Don't you start that ***** in here," the priest says!
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11 Dec 2004 07:35:13 AM |
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Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
in message <tqfjr0tbfj2ksrlp3324gn253thg0eodau@4ax.com>:
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
wabe while reciting:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other than
to say that God made it.
The universe needs no explanation.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
To believe you have the answer is to wander in a state of perpetual
confusion.
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| User: "Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" |
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11 Dec 2004 03:09:58 PM |
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Frank Dwyer wrote:
Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com>
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts (you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you
have about seventeen different threads all gloating over the same
story. Idiots. If atheists did this every time a theist realizes
there is no god(s) then there would be no bandwidth left on the
internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than to say that God made it.
The universe needs no explanation.
that is the dumbest sentence you could have possibly responded with.
only the whole of science is devoted to understanding it. this flies right
past you.
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12 Dec 2004 10:10:16 PM |
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"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:3216nvF3fm4d1U1@individual.net...
Frank Dwyer wrote:
Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com>
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts (you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you
have about seventeen different threads all gloating over the same
story. Idiots. If atheists did this every time a theist realizes
there is no god(s) then there would be no bandwidth left on the
internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than to say that God made it.
The universe needs no explanation.
that is the dumbest sentence you could have possibly responded with.
it didn't come out of a comic book fag boy.
only the whole of science is devoted to understanding it. this flies right
past you.
you really do believe what's in comic books don't you fag boy.
Great Sex Coupon
Did you hear about the fellow that was talking to his buddy, and he said, "I
don't know what to get my wife for her birthday. She has everything, and
besides, she can afford to buy anything she wants, so I'm stumped." His
buddy said, "I have an idea. Why don't you make up a certificate that says
she can have two hours of great sex, any way she wants it. She'll probably
be thrilled!" So the first fella did just that. The next day his buddy
asked, "Well, did you take my suggestion? How'd it turn out?" "She loved it.
She jumped up, thanked me, kissed me on the mouth, and ran out the door
yelling -- I'll see you in two hours!"
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11 Dec 2004 10:46:26 PM |
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Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg wrote:
Frank Dwyer wrote:
Mel wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com>
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts (you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you
have about seventeen different threads all gloating over the same
story. Idiots. If atheists did this every time a theist realizes
there is no god(s) then there would be no bandwidth left on the
internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than to say that God made it.
The universe needs no explanation.
that is the dumbest sentence you could have possibly responded with.
Only to the ignorant.
only the whole of science is devoted to understanding it. this flies right
past you.
Humans require the explanation.
Wrap your brain around that concept and get back to me.
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15 Dec 2004 08:53:30 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:15:17 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
in message <tqfjr0tbfj2ksrlp3324gn253thg0eodau@4ax.com>:
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
wabe while reciting:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other than
to say that God made it.
Or you could be honest enough to admit that you don't know.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
Why is having an answer so important to you?
--
-Barry
========
Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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16 Dec 2004 12:14:50 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:53:30 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<dhvvr0d0d41j173vuihb58koesm8h5uno0@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:15:17 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com> wrote
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots. If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other than
to say that God made it.
Or you could be honest enough to admit that you don't know.
correct. it is not known. but if you philosophise about it, God being the
Creator is a good explanation.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
Why is having an answer so important to you?
although i'm not a scientist, i enjoy science (knowledge).
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16 Dec 2004 07:39:24 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:ur63s0di51ovlitrp28275t8clqfvpsovh@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 01:53:30 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<dhvvr0d0d41j173vuihb58koesm8h5uno0@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:15:17 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:23:30 +0800, Ærchie <archive23@pphotmail.com>
wrote
Twas brillig and a slithy tove named Mel didst gyre and gimble in the
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 04:23:30 GMT, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@telus.net>
I think it speaks volumes when one 81 year old atheist allegedly
converts
(you thesits never get your facts straight anyway) and you have about
seventeen different threads all gloating over the same story. Idiots.
If
atheists did this every time a theist realizes there is no god(s) then
there
would be no bandwidth left on the internet.
theists who become atheists are mistaken.
atheists who discover that God must exist, have woken up to reality.
Another deluded fool.
Ærchie
there is no better explanation for the existence of this universe other
than
to say that God made it.
Or you could be honest enough to admit that you don't know.
correct. it is not known. but if you philosophise about it, God being the
Creator is a good explanation.
it is known fag boy.
to believe otherwise is to wander in a state of perpetual confusion.
Why is having an answer so important to you?
although i'm not a scientist, i enjoy science (knowledge).
comic books don't count fag boy.
Firm THIS Up
One morning while making breakfast, a man walked up to his wife and pinched
her on the butt and said, "If you firmed this up, we could get rid of your
control top pantyhose." While this was on the edge of intolerable, she kept
silent.
The next morning, the man woke his wife with a pinch on each of her breasts
and said "You know, if you firmed these up, we could get rid of your bra."
This was beyond a silent response, so she rolled over and grabbed him by his
penis. With a death grip in place, she said, "You know, if you firmed this
up, we could get rid of the gardener, the postman, the poolman and your
brother."
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
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webmaster of atjfag.com
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09 Dec 2004 11:33:05 PM |
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Thank you for the purposeless post to sci.logic. We really don't value
our bandwidth over here, and appreciate the clutter your post adds.
With sincerest regards,
'cid 'ooh
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