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Science > Abortion |
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"Anti-Venom" |
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05 Apr 2007 10:03:53 AM |
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Fetus Contract Killer? |
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Fetus Contract Killer? |
05 Apr 2007 10:31:41 AM |
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"Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
[Religious sales pitch put out for the dustman]
You might want to check California's Penal Code §187...and thanks for giving
me one more reason to be thankful I haven't lived in Tulsa in 42 years.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 8, Houston 2 (April 3)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 6 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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05 Apr 2007 11:50:26 AM |
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On Apr 5, 10:31 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
[Religious sales pitch put out for the dustman]
You might want to check California's Penal Code =A7187...and thanks for g=
iving
me one more reason to be thankful I haven't lived in Tulsa in 42 years.
You are a weak on facts as you are on rebuttal of Scripture. Totally
devoid.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:30:21 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
On Apr 5, 10:31 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
[Religious sales pitch put out for the dustman]
You might want to check California's Penal Code §187...and thanks for giving
me one more reason to be thankful I haven't lived in Tulsa in 42 years.
You are a weak on facts as you are on rebuttal of Scripture. Totally
devoid.
I have to wonder what's in the water in south Tulsa...since it's home to ORU,
and has hosted other religious crackpots over the years (anyone remember TL
Osborne's neon extravaganza crammed in between Skelly Drive and East 51st just
east of the river?). You're the schmuck who needs to *prove* your alleged
holy book.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 8, Houston 2 (April 3)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 6 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Fetus Contract Killer? |
05 Apr 2007 07:21:17 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szk3b3ek9ua.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
On Apr 5, 10:31 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
[Religious sales pitch put out for the dustman]
You might want to check California's Penal Code §187...and thanks for
giving
me one more reason to be thankful I haven't lived in Tulsa in 42 years.
You are a weak on facts as you are on rebuttal of Scripture. Totally
devoid.
I have to wonder what's in the water in south Tulsa...since it's home to
ORU,
and has hosted other religious crackpots over the years (anyone remember
TL
Osborne's neon extravaganza crammed in between Skelly Drive and East 51st
just
east of the river?). You're the schmuck who needs to *prove* your alleged
holy book.
No one needs to prove that which was already proven.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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05 Apr 2007 07:30:10 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szk3b3ek9ua.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
On Apr 5, 10:31 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur. The
charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person? Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture
directly deals with this issue...
[Religious sales pitch put out for the dustman]
You might want to check California's Penal Code §187...and thanks for
giving me one more reason to be thankful I haven't lived in Tulsa in 42
years.
You are a weak on facts as you are on rebuttal of Scripture. Totally
devoid.
I have to wonder what's in the water in south Tulsa...since it's home to
ORU, and has hosted other religious crackpots over the years (anyone
remember TL Osborne's neon extravaganza crammed in between Skelly Drive and
East 51st just east of the river?). You're the schmuck who needs to
*prove* your alleged holy book.
No one needs to prove that which was already proven.
No one has proved it yet, Future Inmate of Anderson County.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 8, Houston 2 (April 3)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 6 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Fetus Contract Killer? |
05 Apr 2007 10:08:43 PM |
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On Apr 5, 8:21 pm, "John D.Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote in messagenews:szk3b3e=
k9ua.fsf@eris.io.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Apr 5, 10:31 am, The Chief Instigator <patr...@eris.io.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to comm=
it
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
[Religious sales pitch put out for the dustman]
You might want to check California's Penal Code =A7187...and thanks f=
or
giving
me one more reason to be thankful I haven't lived in Tulsa in 42 year=
s=2E
You are a weak on facts as you are on rebuttal of Scripture. Totally
devoid.
I have to wonder what's in the water in south Tulsa...since it's home to
ORU,
and has hosted other religious crackpots over the years (anyone remember
TL
Osborne's neon extravaganza crammed in between Skelly Drive and East 51=
st
just
east of the river?). You're the schmuck who needs to *prove* your alle=
ged
holy book.
No one needs to prove that which was already proven.
Which has nothing to do with the Bible since its statements and
assertions have not been proven. In fact, a number of the stories in
it are physically impossible or would have left physical or social
evidence around the world. Evidence that is plainly missing.
(the Flood and stopping the world for a day are two of the most
obvious.)
First thing that would need to be done is to objectively prove that
your deity even exists.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "junegill" |
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| Title: Re: Fetus Contract Killer? |
05 Apr 2007 11:38:33 AM |
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"Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
No, the 'life for life' refers to the woman. The penalties can't be for the
foetus because of 'tooth for tooth' - foetuses don't have teeth.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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05 Apr 2007 11:48:38 AM |
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On Apr 5, 11:38 am, "junegill" <juneg...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
No, the 'life for life' refers to the woman. The penalties can't be for the
foetus because of 'tooth for tooth' - foetuses don't have teeth.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/juneg...@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
They have teeth buds from early on, but I guess you CHOOSE to be
ignorant of that.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "junegill" |
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05 Apr 2007 04:00:27 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175791718.255439.38780@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 11:38 am, "junegill" <juneg...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
No, the 'life for life' refers to the woman. The penalties can't be for
the
foetus because of 'tooth for tooth' - foetuses don't have teeth.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/juneg...@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
They have teeth buds from early on, but I guess you CHOOSE to be
ignorant of that.
They do, indeed. How likely do you think it would be that two men fighting,
who accidentally hit a pregnant woman, could remove a tooth bud?
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "Roger" |
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05 Apr 2007 03:58:54 PM |
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"Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
1) The fetus was "nearly full-term". Abortion is only allowed in the third
trimester under special circumstances.
2) The one who would have killed it wasn't the MOTHER, with the MOTHER'S
consent.
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Robert" |
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05 Apr 2007 10:04:34 PM |
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:58:54 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
1) The fetus was "nearly full-term". Abortion is only allowed in the third
trimester under special circumstances.
2) The one who would have killed it wasn't the MOTHER, with the MOTHER'S
consent.
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
A induced abortion, against the husbands will, causes no harm. But it
does cause a economic loss to the husband.
23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
If the woman is killed that is harm.
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
Nope harm is to the woman, not the fetus.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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05 Apr 2007 10:34:19 AM |
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"Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Did they sentence the murdering cop?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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05 Apr 2007 10:41:06 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Did they sentence the murdering cop?
Probably not, since you have no idea of whether the incident even happened in
the first place. (He's a religious huckster - an "education", all right: an
eminently named BS degree from Liberty University.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 8, Houston 2 (April 3)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 6 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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05 Apr 2007 10:51:26 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkejmyq165.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Did they sentence the murdering cop?
Probably not, since you have no idea of whether the incident even happened
in
the first place.
Its not your fault you were born a fag but IT IS your fault for being
STUPID.
COLVILLE, Wash. (AP) -- A Stevens County man who pleaded guilty to trying to
hire a hit man to kill his unborn child was sentenced to just over six years
in prison.
http://www.columbian.com:80/news/state/APStories/AP04042007news122599.cfm
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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05 Apr 2007 11:08:47 AM |
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"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkejmyq165.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Did they sentence the murdering cop?
Probably not, since you have no idea of whether the incident even happened
in the first place.
Its not your fault you were born a fag but IT IS your fault for being
STUPID.
Of course, it's *never* your fault for routinely whining "fag" at anyone who
dares to dissent from your obsessions.
COLVILLE, Wash. (AP) -- A Stevens County man who pleaded guilty to trying to
hire a hit man to kill his unborn child was sentenced to just over six years
in prison.
http://www.columbian.com:80/news/state/APStories/AP04042007news122599.cfm
Of course, none of your fellow fetus fanatics bothered to note the detail that
the woman in question was nearly full-term...which *does* make a difference,
as SCOTUS put forth three and a half decades ago.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 8, Houston 2 (April 3)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 6 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Apr 2007 12:12:48 AM |
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Anti-Venom <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
Most certainly.
Interestingly, this news isn't NEWs at all, but Scripture directly
deals with this issue...
Ex 21:22-24
"When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her
children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall
surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he
shall pay as the judges determine.
A miscarriage merits a fine.
23 But if there is harm, then you
shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot..." (ESV)
And if the woman is injured that you pay her injury.
Note: "life for life" (life of killer for life of fetus)
That's not what it says, liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:00:14 PM |
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On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writingken@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82530@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:19:20 PM |
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On Apr 5, 12:00 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
"MANslaughter" - Get it?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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05 Apr 2007 12:35:12 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
On Apr 5, 12:00 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
"MANslaughter" - Get it?
For some reason, I don't miss my childhood days, when Oral Roberts
commandeered all three of Tulsa's TV stations every Sunday morning. (A couple
of my cousins helped in the placing of the "900 Ft Jesus Crossing" signs at
ORU, so don't assume your "Christian" Theocratic Homeland is free of us
insolent heathens who ask questions you don't want to hear.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 8, Houston 2 (April 3)
NEXT GAME: Friday, April 6 at Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Attila" |
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05 Apr 2007 03:04:47 PM |
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On 5 Apr 2007 10:19:20 -0700, "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
<kands00@hotmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1175793560.050870.106500@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 12:00 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
"MANslaughter" - Get it?
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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05 Apr 2007 04:00:32 PM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On 5 Apr 2007 10:19:20 -0700, "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
<kands00@hotmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1175793560.050870.106500@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 12:00 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
"MANslaughter" - Get it?
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or child.
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05 Apr 2007 05:31:54 PM |
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:00:32 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <46156351$0$9934$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On 5 Apr 2007 10:19:20 -0700, "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
<kands00@hotmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1175793560.050870.106500@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 12:00 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
"MANslaughter" - Get it?
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Roger" |
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06 Apr 2007 01:27:24 AM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:00:32 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <46156351$0$9934$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On 5 Apr 2007 10:19:20 -0700, "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
<kands00@hotmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1175793560.050870.106500@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Apr 5, 12:00 pm, Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2007 08:03:53 -0700, "Anti-Venom" <writing...@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1175785433.922450.82...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:
A teen was arrested for paying an undercover cop to kill his pregnant
ex-girlfriend's fetus by beating her so badly that it would occur.
The charge he was sentenced on was first-degree solicitation to
commit
manslaughter.
Question: Can there be manslaughter of a fetus if the fetus is not a
person?
That would depend on the wording of the law under which he was
charged.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
"MANslaughter" - Get it?
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
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06 Apr 2007 05:36:26 AM |
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Roger" |
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06 Apr 2007 06:26:54 AM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
100% wrong.
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| User: "Robert" |
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06 Apr 2007 12:54:01 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:26:54 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
100% wrong.
You are wrong, a still born is not a child. Live begins when the
baby takes it's first breath. If a baby never takes a breath, it is
NOT a child. It has to be alive to be a child. All children are born
alive.
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| User: "Roger" |
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06 Apr 2007 05:18:04 PM |
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"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:26:54 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or
child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
100% wrong.
You are wrong, a still born is not a child. Live begins when the
baby takes it's first breath. If a baby never takes a breath, it is
NOT a child. It has to be alive to be a child. All children are born
alive.
Try the real meanings, not the anti-choice meanings.
child: 1 a : an unborn or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
[m-w.com]
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| User: "Robert" |
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07 Apr 2007 09:22:37 PM |
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:18:04 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:26:54 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or
child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
100% wrong.
You are wrong, a still born is not a child. Live begins when the
baby takes it's first breath. If a baby never takes a breath, it is
NOT a child. It has to be alive to be a child. All children are born
alive.
Try the real meanings, not the anti-choice meanings.
child: 1 a : an unborn or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
[m-w.com]
This is the anti-choice meaning. The real meaning is
child (chěld) noun
plural children (chîl´dren)
Abbr. ch.
1. A person between birth and puberty.
Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further
reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of
the United States. All rights reserved.
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| User: "Roger" |
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08 Apr 2007 12:59:54 AM |
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"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:18:04 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:26:54 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in
the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or
child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
100% wrong.
You are wrong, a still born is not a child. Live begins when the
baby takes it's first breath. If a baby never takes a breath, it is
NOT a child. It has to be alive to be a child. All children are born
alive.
Try the real meanings, not the anti-choice meanings.
child: 1 a : an unborn or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
[m-w.com]
This is the anti-choice meaning. The real meaning is
child (chěld) noun
plural children (chîl´dren)
Abbr. ch.
1. A person between birth and puberty.
Were you all tired out from shouting your lies to read THE VERY NEXT
DEFINITION?
From http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/C0291300.html
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
2000.
child
PRONUNCIATION: chld
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. chil·dren ( chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty. 2a. An unborn infant; a fetus. b. An
infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or daughter; an
offspring. 5. A member of a tribe; descendant: children of Abraham. 6a. An
individual regarded as strongly affected by another or by a specified time,
place, or circumstance: a child of nature; a child of the Sixties. b. A
product or result of something specified: "Times Square is a child of the
20th century" (Richard F. Shepard).
IDIOM: with child Pregnant.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English cild.
OTHER FORMS: childless -ADJECTIVE
childless·ness -NOUN
Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further
reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of
the United States. All rights reserved.
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08 Apr 2007 04:43:30 PM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:18:04 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Robert" <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:26:54 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:27:24 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<4615e82f$1$24695$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Yes, and it would still depend on the definition of the term in
the
law under which he was charged.
And whether the charge was for the manslaughter of the mother or
child.
Unless defined in that statute no child existed.
Even when it's in the third trimester, when abortion is illegal?
Irrelevant. All children have been born a live.
100% wrong.
You are wrong, a still born is not a child. Live begins when the
baby takes it's first breath. If a baby never takes a breath, it is
NOT a child. It has to be alive to be a child. All children are born
alive.
Try the real meanings, not the anti-choice meanings.
child: 1 a : an unborn or recently born person b dialect : a female
infant
[m-w.com]
This is the anti-choice meaning. The real meaning is
child (chěld) noun
plural children (chîl´dren)
Abbr. ch.
1. A person between birth and puberty.
Were you all tired out from shouting your lies to read THE VERY NEXT
DEFINITION?
From http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/C0291300.html
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
2000.
child
PRONUNCIATION: chld
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. chil·dren ( chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty. 2a. An unborn infant; a fetus. b.
An infant; a baby. 3. One who is childish or immature. 4. A son or
daughter; an offspring. 5. A member of a tribe; descendant: children of
Abraham. 6a. An individual regarded as strongly affected by another or by
a specified time, place, or circumstance: a child of nature; a child of
the Sixties. b. A product or result of something specified: "Times Square
is a child of the 20th century" (Richard F. Shepard).
IDIOM: with child Pregnant.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old English cild.
OTHER FORMS: childless -ADJECTIVE
childless·ness -NOUN
Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further
reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of
the United States. All rights reserved.
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I don't fucking care about what the dictionary have to say. If I get
pregnant, I will do anything to terminate the pregnancy because whatever is
in my womb is not my child.
What fucking part don't you understand? Some women DON'T WANT TO HAVE
CHILDREN!!!
Man, I should ask my family doctor if I can see a surgeon to remove the womb
and the tubes because I never liked children.
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