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User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 03 Feb 2008 04:10:40 PM
Object: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women WhoAbort After 20 Weeks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts
Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks
LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White
Posted on 02/02/2008 10:09:14 AM PST by wagglebee
OTTAWA, February 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Under Canadian
regulations on employment insurance (EI), abortion is considered an
"illness" which makes a woman eligible for tax-funded benefits, says
the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation. Even more strangely, a woman who
aborts her child after 20 weeks can claim maternity benefits.
The Federation points out that although the Canadian government spends
only about $50-million a year directly to pay for abortions, the
Canadian taxpayer is also subsidising abortion in a number of less
obvious ways.
Under current EI guidelines, abortion within the first 19 weeks of
pregnancy is regarded as the same as a spontaneous miscarriage. If the
abortion is committed after 20 weeks, however, EI allows benefits to
be paid under the maternity programme. Illness and maternity benefits
are paid for up to three-and-a-half months.
The federation also points to the funding - $18 million over four
years - sent by the Canadian government to the abortion organisation,
International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF). IPPF has been
implicated in forced abortion and sterilization programmes in some
developing countries.
John Williamson, federal director of the Taxpayers' Federation says,
"The Canadian government should not be sending tax dollars to advocacy
groups that engage in political activism in Canada or elsewhere". But
Canadian tax dollars are spent on a dizzying number of projects and
organisations that directly and indirectly support and lobby for
abortion around the world.
The Canadian delegation to the United Nations has been known for years
among UN lobbyists as being the leading voice pushing for abortion in
developing countries.
Last year, the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation revealed that the
Conservative government paid $44,050,000 to the United Nations
Population Fund. $18 million each went to Planned Parenthood and
UNICEF. Other organisations providing abortions and lobbying for
increased abortion around the world funded by the Canadian government
include the World Health Organization, the United Nations Development
Program (UNDP) and the World Bank.
.

User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 10:54:00 PM
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White


Posted on 02/02/2008 10:09:14 AM PST by wagglebee


OTTAWA, February 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Under Canadian
regulations on employment insurance (EI), abortion is considered an
"illness" which makes a woman eligible for tax-funded benefits, says
the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation. Even more strangely, a woman who
aborts her child after 20 weeks can claim maternity benefits.

The Federation points out that although the Canadian government spends
only about $50-million a year directly to pay for abortions, the
Canadian taxpayer is also subsidising abortion in a number of less
obvious ways.

Under current EI guidelines, abortion within the first 19 weeks of
pregnancy is regarded as the same as a spontaneous miscarriage. If the
abortion is committed after 20 weeks, however, EI allows benefits to
be paid under the maternity programme. Illness and maternity benefits
are paid for up to three-and-a-half months.

The federation also points to the funding - $18 million over four
years - sent by the Canadian government to the abortion organisation,
International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF). IPPF has been
implicated in forced abortion and sterilization programmes in some
developing countries.

John Williamson, federal director of the Taxpayers' Federation says,
"The Canadian government should not be sending tax dollars to advocacy
groups that engage in political activism in Canada or elsewhere". But
Canadian tax dollars are spent on a dizzying number of projects and
organisations that directly and indirectly support and lobby for
abortion around the world.

The Canadian delegation to the United Nations has been known for years
among UN lobbyists as being the leading voice pushing for abortion in
developing countries.

Last year, the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation revealed that the
Conservative government paid $44,050,000 to the United Nations
Population Fund. $18 million each went to Planned Parenthood and
UNICEF. Other organisations providing abortions and lobbying for
increased abortion around the world funded by the Canadian government
include the World Health Organization, the United Nations Development
Program (UNDP) and the World Bank.

No organisation is lobbying for increased abortion, moron.
They're lobbying for women to be given the choice.
Unlike pro-liars who lobby for women to be given no choice.
Smiler,
The godless one'
a.a.# 2279
.

User: "Gwen Bennet"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For WomenWho Abort After 20 Weeks 04 Feb 2008 05:18:10 AM
On Feb 3, 5:10=A0pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailhaven.com>
wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts

Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

What benefits could a woman get from aborting an anaomolous pregnancy,
at that stage, other her health, life? Why the ***** not.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For WomenWhoAbort After 20 Weeks 04 Feb 2008 11:41:38 AM
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 in
66a300c9-d8b3-4d1a-94d4-d95a5be0e649@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com, Sound
of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:

Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

Oh no! Benefits? To women? Where will it *end*? I mean, next they'll
wanna... drive or something...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“Communism, like any other revealed religion,
is largely made up of prophecies.”
- H. L. Mencken
.

User: "3941 Dead"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 04:16:58 PM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White

Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
such as toxic eclampsia or the like.
At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
physically and probably emotionally.
These gawd-struck jeezus wheezers can't see that, though.
So they punish what they can't understand, in jeezus' name, amen.



Posted on 02/02/2008 10:09:14 AM PST by wagglebee


OTTAWA, February 1, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Under Canadian
regulations on employment insurance (EI), abortion is considered an
"illness" which makes a woman eligible for tax-funded benefits, says
the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation. Even more strangely, a woman who
aborts her child after 20 weeks can claim maternity benefits.

The Federation points out that although the Canadian government spends
only about $50-million a year directly to pay for abortions, the
Canadian taxpayer is also subsidising abortion in a number of less
obvious ways.

Under current EI guidelines, abortion within the first 19 weeks of
pregnancy is regarded as the same as a spontaneous miscarriage. If the
abortion is committed after 20 weeks, however, EI allows benefits to
be paid under the maternity programme. Illness and maternity benefits
are paid for up to three-and-a-half months.

The federation also points to the funding - $18 million over four
years - sent by the Canadian government to the abortion organisation,
International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF). IPPF has been
implicated in forced abortion and sterilization programmes in some
developing countries.

John Williamson, federal director of the Taxpayers' Federation says,
"The Canadian government should not be sending tax dollars to advocacy
groups that engage in political activism in Canada or elsewhere". But
Canadian tax dollars are spent on a dizzying number of projects and
organisations that directly and indirectly support and lobby for
abortion around the world.

The Canadian delegation to the United Nations has been known for years
among UN lobbyists as being the leading voice pushing for abortion in
developing countries.

Last year, the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation revealed that the
Conservative government paid $44,050,000 to the United Nations
Population Fund. $18 million each went to Planned Parenthood and
UNICEF. Other organisations providing abortions and lobbying for
increased abortion around the world funded by the Canadian government
include the World Health Organization, the United Nations Development
Program (UNDP) and the World Bank.

--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just cant. It just makes me sick to think all those years
of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
dont like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
thugs, peering through peoples windows so they can make fun of their
misfortune.
Im registering Independent tomorrow."
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For WomenWho Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 06:46:49 PM
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3941 Dead wrote:
| On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
| <soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:
|
|> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts
|>
|>
|> Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks
|>
|> LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White
|
| Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
| that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
| drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
| dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
| such as toxic eclampsia or the like.
|
| At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
| all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
| physically and probably emotionally.
|
But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of a great little
money spinner like the war on abortion?
It is of little wonder that the "pro-life" groups are reluctant to
publish the figures on how much cash they bring in, tax free, every
year. Conservative estimates put the donation amounts at well over 200
million dollars per year.
Know why Roe vs Wade will never be overturned? Because then a whole lot
of people would have to go out and get real jobs and actually work for a
living.
Can't have that now can we?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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User: "3941 Dead"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 09:26:36 PM
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:46:49 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:

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3941 Dead wrote:
| On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
| <soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:
|
|> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts
|>
|>
|> Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks
|>
|> LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White
|
| Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
| that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
| drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
| dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
| such as toxic eclampsia or the like.
|
| At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
| all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
| physically and probably emotionally.
|
But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of a great little
money spinner like the war on abortion?

It is of little wonder that the "pro-life" groups are reluctant to
publish the figures on how much cash they bring in, tax free, every
year. Conservative estimates put the donation amounts at well over 200
million dollars per year.

Know why Roe vs Wade will never be overturned? Because then a whole lot
of people would have to go out and get real jobs and actually work for a
living.

Can't have that now can we?

I'm sure you noticed that after six years of nearly absolute control
of all three branches of government, the Repubicans never acted on
abortion.
A bit belatedly, the Christian right has figured out that they were
just a cheap date.
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just cant. It just makes me sick to think all those years
of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
dont like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
thugs, peering through peoples windows so they can make fun of their
misfortune.
Im registering Independent tomorrow."
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
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User: "Steve"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 09:39:39 PM
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:26:36 GMT, 3941 Dead
<zepp22113941@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:46:49 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:

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3941 Dead wrote:
| On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
| <soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:
|
|> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts
|>
|>
|> Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks
|>
|> LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White
|
| Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
| that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
| drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
| dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
| such as toxic eclampsia or the like.
|
| At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
| all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
| physically and probably emotionally.
|
But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of a great little
money spinner like the war on abortion?

It is of little wonder that the "pro-life" groups are reluctant to
publish the figures on how much cash they bring in, tax free, every
year. Conservative estimates put the donation amounts at well over 200
million dollars per year.

Know why Roe vs Wade will never be overturned? Because then a whole lot
of people would have to go out and get real jobs and actually work for a
living.

Can't have that now can we?


I'm sure you noticed that after six years of nearly absolute control
of all three branches of government, the Repubicans never acted on
abortion.

....and luckily for Zepp, Zepp's mother never did either... although
she probably wishes she had..
.



User: "Kenny McCormack"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 04:25:16 PM
In article <f4fcq3dh4atimrc77t5mhnj96flga4m6ju@4ax.com>,
3941 Dead <zepp22113941@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White


Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
such as toxic eclampsia or the like.

At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
physically and probably emotionally.

These gawd-struck jeezus wheezers can't see that, though.

So they punish what they can't understand, in jeezus' name, amen.

All true - but of course the real problem here is that you are using
words of more than 2 syllables - and that's guaranteed to confuse them
right there.
But more significant than that is the simple cold hard fact that, from a
strictly monetary point of view (which is what this thing purports to be
- a taxpayer relief organization - of course, well know it is cover for
fundies), an abortion is (by orders of magnitude) the best investment
anyone could possibly make. Compare the cost of an abortion to that of,
oh say, a week's worth of public education...
I do not claim originality for this idea; some time back, someone over
in alt.support.childfree posted an excellent full analysis of the topic.
If you are interested, Google Groups is your friend.
.
User: "3941 Dead"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 03 Feb 2008 06:38:47 PM
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:25:16 +0000 (UTC),

(Kenny McCormack) wrote:

In article <f4fcq3dh4atimrc77t5mhnj96flga4m6ju@4ax.com>,
3941 Dead <zepp22113941@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White


Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
such as toxic eclampsia or the like.

At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
physically and probably emotionally.

These gawd-struck jeezus wheezers can't see that, though.

So they punish what they can't understand, in jeezus' name, amen.


All true - but of course the real problem here is that you are using
words of more than 2 syllables - and that's guaranteed to confuse them
right there.

Well, sure, I know that. But there isn't any point in talking down to
these morons. If by some miracle you dumb it down enough that they DO
understand you, they just pull their heads back, and shout, "Gawd sed
it, I believe it, end of story." Of course, good luck finding
anything at all about abortion in the bible, even though the practice
was commonplace back then, too.


But more significant than that is the simple cold hard fact that, from a
strictly monetary point of view (which is what this thing purports to be
- a taxpayer relief organization - of course, well know it is cover for
fundies), an abortion is (by orders of magnitude) the best investment
anyone could possibly make. Compare the cost of an abortion to that of,
oh say, a week's worth of public education...

Not having a kid is indisputably less expensive than having one. But
most people would see that as a very cold calculation. It makes sense
on the balance sheet, but not in the human heart.


I do not claim originality for this idea; some time back, someone over
in alt.support.childfree posted an excellent full analysis of the topic.
If you are interested, Google Groups is your friend.

--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just cant. It just makes me sick to think all those years
of supporting this party, and this is what it has become. Even if you
dont like the S-Chip expansion, it is hard to deny what Republicans
are- a bunch of bitter, nasty, petty, snarling, sneering, vicious
thugs, peering through peoples windows so they can make fun of their
misfortune.
Im registering Independent tomorrow."
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
Zepps_News-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
For essays (donations accepted, 2 articles/week)
Zepps_essays-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
.
User: "Robert"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For Women Who Abort After 20 Weeks 04 Feb 2008 01:25:27 PM
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:38:47 GMT, 3941 Dead
<zepp22113941@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:25:16 +0000 (UTC),


(Kenny McCormack) wrote:

In article <f4fcq3dh4atimrc77t5mhnj96flga4m6ju@4ax.com>,
3941 Dead <zepp22113941@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailhaven.com> wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks

LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White


Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
such as toxic eclampsia or the like.

At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
all the mother. The woman will need recovery time, certainly
physically and probably emotionally.

These gawd-struck jeezus wheezers can't see that, though.

So they punish what they can't understand, in jeezus' name, amen.


All true - but of course the real problem here is that you are using
words of more than 2 syllables - and that's guaranteed to confuse them
right there.


Well, sure, I know that. But there isn't any point in talking down to
these morons. If by some miracle you dumb it down enough that they DO
understand you, they just pull their heads back, and shout, "Gawd sed
it, I believe it, end of story." Of course, good luck finding
anything at all about abortion in the bible, even though the practice
was commonplace back then, too.


But more significant than that is the simple cold hard fact that, from a
strictly monetary point of view (which is what this thing purports to be
- a taxpayer relief organization - of course, well know it is cover for
fundies), an abortion is (by orders of magnitude) the best investment
anyone could possibly make. Compare the cost of an abortion to that of,
oh say, a week's worth of public education...


Not having a kid is indisputably less expensive than having one. But
most people would see that as a very cold calculation. It makes sense
on the balance sheet, but not in the human heart.

And how does being forced to become a unwanted child rate on your
balance sheet? Here is a choice, we can abort you long before you can
feel any pain, or memory, it will be as if you never existed. Or we
can force your mother to carry you to term, then find a good adoptive
family for you, you will find out you are adopted, almost always there
will be a relative that knows and will shove your face in it. You will
spend the rest of your life knowing you were not wanted, and were
given away like a pair of socks.
You may even find your birth mother and find out your birth father
was serial rapist and murderer. Or maybe your father and grandfather
is the one and same, or maybe your father is your uncle. Wait until
the self righteous bigots have that too tell the world.
The only person that knows the whole truth is the pregnant woman. And
she should not have to convince a self righteous bigot that it would
be best if she aborted.
--
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User: "SkyEyes"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For WomenWho Abort After 20 Weeks 04 Feb 2008 11:53:44 AM
On Feb 4, 12:25=A0pm, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:38:47 GMT, 3941 Dead





<zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 22:25:16 +0000 (UTC),


(Kenny McCormack) wrote:


In article <f4fcq3dh4atimrc77t5mhnj96flga4m...@4ax.com>,
3941 Dead =A0<zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@mailhaven.com> wrote:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks


LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White


Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
such as toxic eclampsia or the like. =A0


At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
all the mother. =A0The woman will need recovery time, certainly
physically and probably emotionally. =A0


These gawd-struck jeezus wheezers can't see that, though. =A0


So they punish what they can't understand, in jeezus' name, amen.


All true - but of course the real problem here is that you are using
words of more than 2 syllables - and that's guaranteed to confuse them
right there.


Well, sure, I know that. =A0But there isn't any point in talking down to
these morons. =A0If by some miracle you dumb it down enough that they DO
understand you, they just pull their heads back, and shout, "Gawd sed
it, I believe it, end of story." =A0Of course, good luck finding
anything at all about abortion in the bible, even though the practice
was commonplace back then, too.


But more significant than that is the simple cold hard fact that, from a=
strictly monetary point of view (which is what this thing purports to be=
- a taxpayer relief organization - of course, well know it is cover for
fundies), an abortion is (by orders of magnitude) the best investment
anyone could possibly make. =A0Compare the cost of an abortion to that o=

f,

oh say, a week's worth of public education...


Not having a kid is indisputably less expensive than having one. =A0But
most people would see that as a very cold calculation. =A0It makes sense
on the balance sheet, but not in the human heart.


And how does being forced to become a unwanted child rate on your
balance sheet? Here is a choice, we can abort you long before you can
feel any pain, or memory, it will be as if you never existed. Or we
can force your mother to carry you to term, then find a good adoptive
family for you, you will find out you are adopted, almost always there
will be a relative that knows and will shove your face in it. You will
spend the rest of your life knowing you were not wanted, and were
given away like a pair of socks.

I'd like to make a kind of lateral point here. I'm an adopted child,
and I've always known it. It was not a secret in my family - it was
talked about openly and honestly and presented as a perfectly normal
thing - which, of course, it is. Consequently, I grew up feeling
normal, loved, wanted, and perfectly normal.
I have friends who are adopted, and several of them were not told
until they were in their late teens-early twenties. When they found
out, they went through severe emotional distress, including an
identity crisis which was *totally* unnecessary and destructive.
Several of them are *still* having problems to this day because of it.
To anyone reading this who is considering adopting a child, *please*
don't keep the fact that your child is adopted a secret. It's the
worst thing you can possibly do. Talk about it openly and frequently
and *celebrate* it. But whatever you do, *don't* wait until your kid
is "old enough to understand" because by that time, s/he has already
formed an identity that your news will destroy. Best to let the
adoption be a natural, organic part of your kid's identity from the
get-go.

=A0 You may even find your birth mother and find out your birth father

I've never had the least desire to find my sperm and egg donors. I
suspect it's because growing up knowing I was adopted *but wanted by
Mom and Dad, who adopted me,* I didn't have any kind of identity
crisis.

was serial rapist and murderer.

Or that your mother was a hooker.

Or maybe your father and grandfather
is the one and same, or maybe your father is your uncle. Wait until
the self righteous bigots have that too tell the world.
=A0The only person that knows the whole truth is the pregnant woman. And
she should not have to convince a self righteous bigot that it would
be best if she aborted.

For want of a better word, "Amen."
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
.




User: "Gwen Bennet"

Title: Re: From Progressive Canada: Maternity Benefits Available For WomenWho Abort After 20 Weeks 04 Feb 2008 05:17:10 AM
On Feb 3, 5:16=A0pm, 3941 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:10:40 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet

<soundoftrum...@mailhaven.com> wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1963837/posts


Maternity Benefits Available for Women Who Abort after 20 Weeks


LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/1/08 | Hilary White


Of course, what these gawd-struck morons aren't going to tell you is
that in the event of any abortion that far along, something has gone
drastically wrong with the pregnancy, and the fetus is either dead or
dying, clearly anacephalic, or presents a danger to the womans health,
such as toxic eclampsia or the like. =A0

At that point, abortion isn't anything anyone wants, usually least of
all the mother. =A0The woman will need recovery time, certainly
physically and probably emotionally. =A0

These gawd-struck jeezus wheezers can't see that, though. =A0

So they punish what they can't understand, in jeezus' name, amen.

No - they know *exactly* whom they're punishing - and for what. These
wheezers are the true pro-deathers, and are parading as such under the
guise of piety. These assholes should be in prison, IMO.
.



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