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Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
Posted on 09/07/2007 4:18:04 AM PDT by monomaniac
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
By Hilary White
LONDON, September 4, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The UK's Human
Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA), the government cloning
and stem cell research regulator, published its public consultation on
the creation of human/animal hybrid clones, in which it claimed the
majority of people were "at ease" with the idea. It is expected to
rule tomorrow on the proposal to create cytoplasmic hybrid cloned
embryos from animal ova and human DNA.
The HFEA had its consultation period open for a year, during which
time it was subject to intense lobbying by research organisations
determined to carry cloning and stem cell research forward to what
many say is the next inevitable stage. Cytoplasmic hybrids are those
that would be created by inserting the nucleus of a human cell into
the ovum of an animal such as a cow after the removal of the ovum's
nucleus.
This was described by the HFEA and in the British press as a procedure
that would create an embryo that was "99 per cent" human. It was
nearly always described in the media as a way of obtaining cures for
Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases.
The HFEA's public consultation found that initial reservations about
the research were eventually silenced. "When further factual
information was provided and further discussion took place, the
majority of participants became more at ease with the idea," the
HFEA's report says.
The HFEA's own commissioned poll of more than 2,000 adults showed that
the public has accepted the idea of creating cloned human beings for
research and even human/animal cloned hybrids with the proviso that
they will not be allowed to live and that they would be used for
medical research. This proviso is considered "ethical" according to
current standards, because the cloned hybrids will be killed before
reaching 14 days old and their stem cells "harvested."
The wording of the questionnaire reveals the confusion that has been
generated through the media's use of inaccurate and misleading
terminology. The Telegraph reports that if asked whether they agreed
with the creation of embryos containing mostly human and a small
amount of animal material, 48 per cent of respondents were opposed and
34 per cent were in favour. But when the phrase "if it may help to
understand diseases such as Parkinson's and motor neurone disease" was
added, support rose to 61 per cent in favour.
Human/animal hybrids are proposed as the solution for the problem
researchers face in cloning human beings to acquire stem cells. The
preferred method of cloning, somatic cell nuclear transfer, requires
enormous numbers of healthy ova for the numerous attempts required to
successfully create one cloned human being.
The process for acquiring ova is difficult and can be dangerous for
women. Even if large numbers of women could be persuaded to donate
their ova for research it is doubtful the result would come close to
filling the projected need for the large scale cloning experiments
envisaged by most researchers.
The group of researchers at Kings College London and the North East
England Stem Cell Institute (NESCI) were "optimistic" that the HFEA
would grant permission.
Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
English Scientists Ask Permission to Create Human/Cow Clones
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06110707.html
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08 Sep 2007 02:59:50 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message <news:1189231952.616584.219330@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892458/posts
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
Posted on 09/07/2007 4:18:04 AM PDT by monomaniac
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
[mass snippage]
I for one welcome our new chimeric anime cat-girl overlords.
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| User: "T Guy" |
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08 Sep 2007 03:18:48 AM |
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(Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>):
The HFEA had its consultation period open for a year, during which
time it was subject to intense lobbying by research organisations
determined to carry cloning and stem cell research forward to what
many say is the next inevitable stage...
(T Guy):
Fellas, if you just want something to experiment on, use spammers.
T G
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: From Progressive Europe: Britain Set To Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones |
08 Sep 2007 05:59:56 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:18:48 -0700, T Guy
<Tim.Bateman@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
(Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>):
The HFEA had its consultation period open for a year, during which
time it was subject to intense lobbying by research organisations
determined to carry cloning and stem cell research forward to what
many say is the next inevitable stage...
(T Guy):
Fellas, if you just want something to experiment on, use spammers.
As soon as we run out of Christians.
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| User: "JAF" |
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| Title: Re: From Progressive Europe: Britain Set To Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones |
08 Sep 2007 04:00:10 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:12:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
About time too.
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JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
CBA to do a sig.
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| User: "Amethyst Deceiver" |
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| Title: Re: From Progressive Europe: Britain Set To Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones |
10 Sep 2007 04:17:20 AM |
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JAF wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:12:32 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
About time too.
Absolutely.
I want to be tiger-woman.
<ITSOL>
What human/animal hybrid do you want to be?
</ITSOL>
Raaah.
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| User: "Escargot Cult" |
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10 Sep 2007 01:26:40 PM |
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In article <5kkgdvF426hkU1@mid.individual.net>,
says...
I want to be tiger-woman.
<ITSOL>
What human/animal hybrid do you want to be?
</ITSOL>
I want to be camel-man. With a hump containing several gallons of beer,
and the ability to spit accurately and powerfully enough to bring down
light aircraft.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| User: "Huge" |
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11 Sep 2007 03:23:42 AM |
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On 2007-09-10, Escargot Cult <misc@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
In article <5kkgdvF426hkU1@mid.individual.net>,
says...
I want to be tiger-woman.
<ITSOL>
What human/animal hybrid do you want to be?
</ITSOL>
I want to be camel-man. With a hump containing several gallons of beer,
and the ability to spit accurately and powerfully enough to bring down
light aircraft.
*APPLAUSE*
--
"Religion poisons everything."
[email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
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| User: "Escargot Cult" |
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11 Sep 2007 12:20:41 PM |
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In article <fc5jae$15g$4@anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid
says...
On 2007-09-10, Escargot Cult <misc@ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
In article <5kkgdvF426hkU1@mid.individual.net>,
says...
I want to be tiger-woman.
<ITSOL>
What human/animal hybrid do you want to be?
</ITSOL>
I want to be camel-man. With a hump containing several gallons of beer,
and the ability to spit accurately and powerfully enough to bring down
light aircraft.
*APPLAUSE*
I suppose you can be Captain Dromedary then.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| User: "JAF" |
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10 Sep 2007 02:39:18 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:17:20 +0100, "Amethyst Deceiver"
<spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
<ITSOL>
What human/animal hybrid do you want to be?
</ITSOL>
I want to be me, but with gills and sonar.
And possibly wings.
In case of leakage.
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JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
CBA to do a sig.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: From Progressive Europe: Britain Set To Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones |
09 Sep 2007 06:26:34 PM |
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On Sep 8, 2:12 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
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Jeez, Strumpet. Re-runs? You're supposed to haul out the new stuff in
the fall because that's when the ratings sweeps are.
-PF, Atl.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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| User: "Jon Schild" |
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08 Sep 2007 11:15:23 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892458/posts
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
[article snipped]
There is something missing here. Where is your usual claim that this
disproves the false "science" of Darwinism? Did you forget?
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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09 Sep 2007 04:22:59 PM |
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Jon Schild <jjs@xmission.com> writes:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892458/posts
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
[article snipped]
There is something missing here. Where is your usual claim that this
disproves the false "science" of Darwinism? Did you forget?
They can't make that claim. They will again later, when it
suits their needs. But right now, the claim is that the "special
barrier" that separates man from animal is threatened and it needs to
be defended. Later, they'll claim that it's inviolable and discussing
the possibility will be threatening and need to be defended.
It's all very silly. Bring on the catgirls, already.
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.pendorwright.com/
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Sep 2007 09:52:45 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:22:59 -0700, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Jon Schild <jjs@xmission.com> writes:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892458/posts
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
[article snipped]
There is something missing here. Where is your usual claim that this
disproves the false "science" of Darwinism? Did you forget?
They can't make that claim. They will again later, when it
suits their needs. But right now, the claim is that the "special
barrier" that separates man from animal is threatened and it needs to
be defended. Later, they'll claim that it's inviolable and discussing
the possibility will be threatening and need to be defended.
It's all very silly. Bring on the catgirls, already.
The Greenies are nicer people.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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12 Sep 2007 02:02:52 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:1bc9e3lct274or27icg2mslemfojipcvni@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:22:59 -0700, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Jon Schild <jjs@xmission.com> writes:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892458/posts
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
[article snipped]
There is something missing here. Where is your usual claim that this
disproves the false "science" of Darwinism? Did you forget?
They can't make that claim. They will again later, when it
suits their needs. But right now, the claim is that the "special
barrier" that separates man from animal is threatened and it needs to
be defended. Later, they'll claim that it's inviolable and discussing
the possibility will be threatening and need to be defended.
It's all very silly. Bring on the catgirls, already.
The Greenies are nicer people.
You haven't read Corwainer Smith, have you?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Sep 2007 09:48:49 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:02:52 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:1bc9e3lct274or27icg2mslemfojipcvni@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:22:59 -0700, Elf M. Sternberg
<elf@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Jon Schild <jjs@xmission.com> writes:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1892458/posts
Britain Set to Approve Human/Animal Hybrid Clones
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | September 4, 2007 | Hilary White
[article snipped]
There is something missing here. Where is your usual claim that this
disproves the false "science" of Darwinism? Did you forget?
They can't make that claim. They will again later, when it
suits their needs. But right now, the claim is that the "special
barrier" that separates man from animal is threatened and it needs to
be defended. Later, they'll claim that it's inviolable and discussing
the possibility will be threatening and need to be defended.
It's all very silly. Bring on the catgirls, already.
The Greenies are nicer people.
You haven't read Corwainer Smith, have you?
I'm not good with putting authors to titles in many cases, but I have
read Smith. (The Greenies I was referring to are from a recent issue
of Asimov - the one about the teen-aged girl.)
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rukbat at optonline dot net
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
-Epicurus, 3rd c. BCE
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This signature was made by SigChanger.
You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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09 Sep 2007 11:13:39 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:22:59 -0700, Elf M. Sternberg
It's all very silly. Bring on the catgirls,
already.
Al Klein
The Greenies are nicer people.
So far, the greenies have blown up a lot of genetic
engineering facilities, while the Christians have not.
But when the catgirls start showing up - or, more
feasibly, children with color vision copied from eagles,
and olfactory sensors copied from bloodhounds, perhaps
then we will see some trouble from the Christians.
Catgirls are far out of reach of existing technology,
but in a recent experiment, they successfully gave mice
human color vision. The obvious sequel is to give
humans eagle color vision.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "brique" |
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10 Sep 2007 11:23:41 AM |
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James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote in message
news:8jg9e3dbj8r0iop5jg7lt1pluumrortenp@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:22:59 -0700, Elf M. Sternberg
It's all very silly. Bring on the catgirls,
already.
Al Klein
The Greenies are nicer people.
So far, the greenies have blown up a lot of genetic
engineering facilities, while the Christians have not.
Really, perhaps you could give us some examples of genetic engineering labs
blown up by environmentalists?
But when the catgirls start showing up - or, more
feasibly, children with color vision copied from eagles,
and olfactory sensors copied from bloodhounds, perhaps
then we will see some trouble from the Christians.
I rather think the children will suffer more from playground bullying.... to
match a bloodhounds scenting ability will require a serious adjustment of
the human olfactory organ, maybe four or five times larger will do probably
do it....
Catgirls are far out of reach of existing technology,
but in a recent experiment, they successfully gave mice
human color vision. The obvious sequel is to give
humans eagle color vision.
No, the obvious 'sequel' is to develop methods of seeing 'evil' without the
need for expensively produced and labour intensive fairy-tales...
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