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"J Young" |
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02 Aug 2005 09:26:35 PM |
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Gays drive on to fairway |
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented? The answer
should obviously be "no", but an activist LLL (Liberal Looney Left)
judiciary has ruled otherwise. Is there anything worse than someone
dictating how things should be done their way?
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=3547996
Gays drive on to fairway
SAN FRANCISCO: California's highest court has ruled that country clubs
must offer gay members who register as domestic partners the same
discounts given to married ones.
The decision by the California Supreme Court dealt with a policy at
Bernardo Heights Country Club in San Diego that allowed only the
children, grandchildren and spouses of married members to play golf for
free.
Birgit Koebke, 48, challenged the policy after being told her longtime
lesbian partner could only play as a guest six times a year while
paying up to $92 a round.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 05:26:27 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented?
The government has the responsibility to ensure equal rights for all its
citizens.
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
02 Aug 2005 09:54:57 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented? The answer
should obviously be "no", but an activist LLL (Liberal Looney Left)
judiciary has ruled otherwise. Is there anything worse than someone
dictating how things should be done their way?
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=3547996
Gays drive on to fairway
SAN FRANCISCO: California's highest court has ruled that country clubs
must offer gay members who register as domestic partners the same
discounts given to married ones.
The decision by the California Supreme Court dealt with a policy at
Bernardo Heights Country Club in San Diego that allowed only the
children, grandchildren and spouses of married members to play golf for
free.
Birgit Koebke, 48, challenged the policy after being told her longtime
lesbian partner could only play as a guest six times a year while
paying up to $92 a round.
I find it curious that you are outraged that a club can have certain rules
"dictated" to it ... but then insist you can dictate terms to people on
other issues .. like who they have sex with in the privacy of their own
home.
Steve
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
02 Aug 2005 10:15:18 PM |
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Steve wrote:
I find it curious that you are outraged that a club can have certain rules
"dictated" to it ... but then insist you can dictate terms to people on
other issues .. like who they have sex with in the privacy of their own
home.
Steve
I have never commented on what rights adults should or should not have
in the privacy of their own homes. I have mentioned numerous times the
serious risks one takes when engaging in certain activities, and have
suggested chastity as an alternative lifestyle. But when it comes to
what you actually do, I'm pro-choice.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 05:27:33 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123038918.556457.17540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Steve wrote:
I find it curious that you are outraged that a club can have certain
rules
"dictated" to it ... but then insist you can dictate terms to people on
other issues .. like who they have sex with in the privacy of their own
home.
Steve
I have never commented on what rights adults should or should not have
in the privacy of their own homes. I have mentioned numerous times the
serious risks one takes when engaging in certain activities, and have
suggested chastity as an alternative lifestyle. But when it comes to
what you actually do, I'm pro-choice.
Including gays marrying?
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 06:33:08 PM |
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in article 1123038918.556457.17540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 8/2/05 11:15 PM:
Steve wrote:
I find it curious that you are outraged that a club can have certain rules
"dictated" to it ... but then insist you can dictate terms to people on
other issues .. like who they have sex with in the privacy of their own
home.
Steve
I have never commented on what rights adults should or should not have
in the privacy of their own homes. I have mentioned numerous times the
serious risks one takes when engaging in certain activities, and have
suggested chastity as an alternative lifestyle. But when it comes to
what you actually do, I'm pro-choice.
You tell this to your Catholic friends and clergy?
Paul
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
02 Aug 2005 09:31:32 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented?
If they are using the public dime or public facilities, then the public has
a right to dictate, otherwise, they are free to be a fully private
organization.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 09:12:49 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented?
If they are using the public dime or public facilities, then the public has
a right to dictate, otherwise, they are free to be a fully private
organization.
The message is clear. You use property rights to cancel out human
rights.
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were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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03 Aug 2005 10:28:10 AM |
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"Meteorite Debris" <epicurus1@YOUR_SHOESoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:31:32 GMT the ET form known as
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented?
If they are using the public dime or public facilities, then the public
has
a right to dictate, otherwise, they are free to be a fully private
organization.
The message is clear. You use property rights to cancel out human
rights.
Nope. It's just a point of fact. If, as they testified in the Dale vs. BSA
case, that the BSA is a private, religious organization that wishes to
discriminate based on religion, sexual orientation, or any other criteria
that is protected by federal, state, or local laws, then they need to use
private facilities. They no more have the right to use the public dime to
discriminate than do the KKK, National Socialists, Skinheads, or any other
discriminatory organization that is currently barred from using public
facilities. In my area, both religion and sexual orientation are protected
from discrimination under local laws. These laws and rules of usage are
applied equally to all extracurricular clubs or organizations equally, there
is, therefore, no discrimination, and no violation of human rights, property
rights, or any other sort of rights.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
02 Aug 2005 10:32:25 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented? The answer
should obviously be "no", but an activist LLL (Liberal Looney Left)
judiciary has ruled otherwise. Is there anything worse than someone
dictating how things should be done their way?
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And this has WHAT to do with abortion?
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"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Aug 2005 11:43:28 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented?
What stinking hypocrites you pro-liar fanatics are.
You whine about the government dictating to private organizations
while insisting that the government dictate to private individuals.
You have no morals. You have only a perverse need to control people.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
02 Aug 2005 10:55:29 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented? The answer
should obviously be "no", but an activist LLL (Liberal Looney Left)
judiciary has ruled otherwise. Is there anything worse than someone
dictating how things should be done their way?
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=3547996
Gays drive on to fairway
SAN FRANCISCO: California's highest court has ruled that country clubs
must offer gay members who register as domestic partners the same
discounts given to married ones.
The decision by the California Supreme Court dealt with a policy at
Bernardo Heights Country Club in San Diego that allowed only the
children, grandchildren and spouses of married members to play golf for
free.
Birgit Koebke, 48, challenged the policy after being told her longtime
lesbian partner could only play as a guest six times a year while
paying up to $92 a round.
Sounds like a fair and equitable ruling to me. If you are going to
prevent homosexuals to get married, then you are going to have to
provide their legally registered partners with equitable benefits in
order to keep things fair. Note that this exception apples only for
partners legally registered with the state where marriage is
unavailable. If homosexuals could get married, as they can in Mass.,
then there is no need to accommodation of the different legal status.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "James Ascher" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 03:11:57 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented? The answer
should obviously be "no", but an activist LLL (Liberal Looney Left)
judiciary has ruled otherwise. Is there anything worse than someone
dictating how things should be done their way?
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=3547996
Gays drive on to fairway
SAN FRANCISCO: California's highest court has ruled that country clubs
must offer gay members who register as domestic partners the same
discounts given to married ones.
If a business is a "public accommodation," i.e. it is open to members of
the public, then generally, it must follow state and/or national laws.
James
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 06:56:49 AM |
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On 2 Aug 2005 19:26:35 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Off topic.
You do that a lot.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Gays drive on to fairway |
03 Aug 2005 06:29:54 PM |
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in article 1123035995.054513.297280@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 8/2/05 10:26 PM:
The issue here is does government have the right to dictate to private
organizations or clubs what policies will be implemented? The answer
should obviously be "no", but an activist LLL (Liberal Looney Left)
judiciary has ruled otherwise. Is there anything worse than someone
dictating how things should be done their way?
Well, if you had ANYTHING in your life other than sneering at those
who aren't exactly like you, you wouldn't obsess about such things.
It's a moot point anyway...you can't afford to join ANY private
club, even if God DOES bless the ones that discriminate.
Paul
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