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GOOD NEWS FROM NEW ORLEANS
Five of the Eight Abortion Clinics in the area were=20
TOTALLY DESTROYED
I wonder how long it will be before God destroys the other three baby =
killing places. It is our understanding that no workers were there, so =
no one was injured. God may come next time during the work day.
One Sister in the Lord said...............
There is an old English hymn that is never sung anymore in the =
Disney-fied churches of America. The words go like this:
God moves in a mysterious way
His wonders to perform,
He plants his footsteps in the sea,
And rides upon the storm.
The city of New Orleans is in ruins. Nearly half a million people are =
without homes or the basic needs of life. Once pristine and gleaming =
office towers and hotels are collapsing ruins, only gaping holes where =
plate glass windows used to be. The bars that just a few days ago had =
drunks staggering and vomiting their way out the doors are closed and =
will have to be torn down. The strip joints that drew men and women of =
the most vile lusts and passions are empty shells. No broken, depraved =
and sin-sick individuals will fulfill their lusts there today. The =
Southern Decadence Days have been canceled. Over 10,000 homosexuals were =
scheduled to descend on the city in a non-stop orgy of perversion and =
sodomy Labor Day weekend. The party's off. A video taken by taxpayers =
at last year's event showed homosexuals engaging in sex openly on the =
streets. The police turned their backs and the city organizers promoted =
this year's event with gusto. Only it isn't going to take place after =
all. The casinos where gamblers from across the state would gather to =
throw their money away in a frenzy of greed are now up to the rafters in =
stinking flood waters. The slot machines are rusting beneath 10 feet of =
water in some cases. The machines won't take anyone's money today. The =
mayor of the Big Easy is calling for prayer.
We are moved, as we should be, with human compassion as we see so many =
people, many of them poverty stricken to begin with, homeless and =
without hope. The loss of life and the innocent people who suffer move =
us to seek to help in any way we can. But in the midst of this tragedy, =
let's not fail to see the bigger lesson. Despite President Bush's =
insistence that we Americans are good people, a closer look says =
otherwise. This nation's soil is reddened with the blood of tens of =
millions of aborted children. The multi-billion dollar pornography =
industry is pumping filth out of the pit of hell into the homes and =
bedrooms of Americans daily. Thousands of militant homosexuals march in =
the streets of American cities each year in Gay Pride parades, demanding =
their rights and breathing out threatening to those politicians who =
stand in their way.
But then God speaks, as he did in Hurricane Katrina. What is He saying? =
By allowing in his sovereign will this disaster, and every disaster =
mankind faces, God is saying, "I, even I, am the Lord and beside me =
there is no Savior." Isaiah 43:11. The Lord reminds us of our =
desperately needy human state. He reminds us that in our arrogance and =
rebellion that He alone gives and He alone takes away. He reminds us =
that none of us exist without his explicit mercy towards us and He calls =
us to repent and seek Him.
Evangelicals cringe now at words like these. "Don't go making God look =
like an angry, vengeful God!" they say. That's because increasingly, =
the God of Evangelicalism only has one quality, love. The many passages =
of Scripture that speak of God's holiness, his righteousness and his =
intolerance for sin are ignored. The passages that speak of God's =
dealing with a rebellious Children of Israel are relegated to quaint =
stories for our children in Sunday School. But the God who judges in =
history, who raises up leaders and who brings them down, a God who will =
not tolerate forever the sins of a nation that sheds innocent blood? =
"No, that's not God," they say. "And don't let a newspaper reporter hear =
you say that, or we're toast!"
Even a cursory reading of Scripture reveals a God who is not only loving =
but is wrathful against all evil, as well. The rebellion of America has =
been a stench in the nostrils of God for a long time. Why God has stayed =
his hand on this land for so long, I do not know. I am grateful for that =
mercy but I tremble for America's future if there is no repentance in =
Christ's church. Why the church? Because Scripture tell us that judgment =
begins in God's house. I have written repeatedly about Evangelicalism =
that in a quest for temporal greatness and influence has perverted the =
Gospel until it is unrecognizable. This, God will judge.
As the howling winds of Katrina destroyed expensive homes and tossed =
costly cars like matchboxes, they pointed us to the words of Jesus =
Christ:=20
"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I =
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock. And =
the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat =
upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. " =
Matthew 7:25-26
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell =
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins =
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and =
take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com=20
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holes where=20
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torn down. The strip joints that drew men and women of the most vile =
lusts and=20
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in a=20
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showed=20
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their backs=20
and the city organizers promoted this year's event with gusto. Only it =
isn't=20
going to take place after all. The casinos where gamblers from across =
the state=20
would gather to throw their money away in a frenzy of greed are now up =
to the=20
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those=20
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desperately=20
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that He=20
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without=20
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Him.</FONT></P>
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=93Don't go making God look like an angry, vengeful God!=94 they =
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12 Oct 2005 05:09:38 AM |
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The Doctor wrote:
In article <hhavj1pmkdiate1km52igt9mnj3ge973rs@4ax.com>,
Louise Mallard <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote:
On 1 Oct 2005 22:28:53 -0700, "pappu" <prakash1966@hotmail.com> wrote:
The strange thing, Sex Kitten, is that those who defend the rights of
the woman in this group are mostly beyond 50's (beyond active sex life
or reproductive life).
Is it that young women still need to be defended in this country?
I'm in my early thirties and I defend for myself.
Tough kid I see.
An adult who's capable of defending for herself, "Doctor."
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Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Better to serve in Heaven that to Rule in Hell.
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29 Sep 2005 11:10:33 PM |
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pappu wrote:
Mark Sebree writes:
torture of childbirth.
When did you feel the torture of childbirth?
I have not. But unlike you, I have listened to women that have.
Do you believe it is
torture just because someone told you so?
When the person that tells me has reason to know the answer for a fact,
yes I do. And women that have been through it have described it as the
worse pain imaginable that goes on for hours on end. That sure sounds
like torture to me.
Why do you call something
that MOST WOMEN ON EARTH has gone through as torture?
Because it is. The fact that most women have experienced it does not
make it any less torturous.
If it is a part of life, why is it torture?
Because the pain is the worst pain imaginable, and you want to force
women to endure it against their wills.
Ill timed pregnancy, back-alley abortions are all because of the
CHOICES the mother has made.
Actually, YOU are the one that wants to force them to rely on back
alley abortions by denying them access to legal ones.
Abortion is a remedy for an ill-timed and unwanted pregnancy.
I am not advocating blanket abortion ban.
You seem to advocating what is effectively a blanket abortion ban. It
would affect almost all women that want an abortion. That is near
enough not to matter.
It is the CHOICE argument that is unacceptable.
Yet, it is the only thing, the only argument that is completely fair
and reasonable. Women are not slaves. They should not be punished for
something that is not a crime, and when they have not been tried and
sentenced in a court of law. They should not be forced to endure the
hardships of an unwanted pregnancy against their wills.
Each abortion needs to
have a serious reason.
Not wanting to be pregnant and wanting to control ones own body and
life is serious enough and good enough.
For example, in the event the mother was raped
etc. - she was not given a choice ever. Or if her health is in jeopardy
- she has not choice, she too needs to live. And this is not a
religious objection.
Does not matter the source.
It is about taking abortion seriously as an option
only when there is a matter that causes the mother to die or was
forcibly impregnated.
Abortion is always taken seriously. Most women do not make that choice
lightly. But it NEVER should be denied to them for ANY reason.
So the CHOICE is always there, it NEEDS TO BE
EXERCISED or ALLOWED TO BE EXERCISED before the baby is formed.
And the women gets an abortion because she does not want to remain
pregnant. That is the CHOICE that she is allowed to make if she so
chooses.
And babies are born, not formed. unless you think that you can form
babies out of clay like any number of deities did.
Once it is formed, the equation changes.
I assume that you mean born, because that is when a baby first exists
as a baby.
You cannot undo a murder.
Abortion is not murder.
You cannot
undo termination of a life.
That is why abortion is and should be readily available.
And the reason should not be something like
"it is my choice, it is my body" now.
Yes, it is. That is always the only reason. The woman retains full
control over her body and how it can be used.
Everyone has choices. They need to be exercised at the time before it
means death of another person.
There is only one person present during a pregnancy, the pregnant
woman. For some reason, you seem to think that she should not be
allowed to think for herself, and control her own body. You seem to
have very little respect for women.
You can shoot your gun how muchever you
want, but once you shoot a person your choice argument is unacceptable.
It is if the person was harming me, and threatening to continue to do
so and to greater degrees with greater harm and chance of death, and
the only way to stop him is to kill him.
If it was all a choice, then why not exercise the choice when the baby
is out of the womb?
Because that forces the woman to endure the hardships and torture and
ruination of her life. How can she choose to not continue a pregnancy
after YOU have FORCED her to endure it.
Why do you support things like Partial Birth
Abortion
Which does not actually exist. That is a propaganda term invented by
the anti-choice advocates. They usually misrepresent what the
procedures are as well, and leave out the reasons why they are done.
- which is the most disgusting exercise of choice?
Yes, because I know the reasons that they are done. And it is for the
life and health of the woman, or the non-viability of the fetus. When
ID&E and D&X procedures are done, the woman long since made the choice
to continue her pregnancy to its completion.
If you get rid of those procedures, you sentence the women that need
them to an agonizing death.
Mr. Sebree, the choice is yours. But it is NOT AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.
It is her decision, not mine. Therefore, it is not my choice in any
case.
Because the dead babies had the right to live.
We are not talking about babies here. And embryos/fetuses have no
rights, and certainly do not have rights that supersede the rights of a
person. And no person can use another person's body without the first
person's continuing consent. And that consent can be withdrawn at any
time, and the second person can no longer have any access to the first
person's body. This right is evident from our body of laws, including
laws dealing with homicide, assault, rape (including marital), medical
treatment, donations of blood and organs, and many others.
You and your other
accomplices took it away from them.
34 million babies were killed during 1973-1996 in the US alone.
Then you should report us to the police. However, since you are lying,
I am not worried. No babies are killed in an abortion.
There
are 34 million of those dead eyes watching you - a pair a time.
Unlikely.
How
many of these are justified are reasonable according to your view?
All of them. They were using the woman's body without her consent, and
removing them was the only way to get them to stop.
Is there any genocide in the history of the world that matches it?
There is no genocide in evidence here. It is an emotional tactic to
support a position devoid of facts.
Is this a civilized country or what?
Yes, it is. We do not force women to suffer for no reason, as you seem
to want us to do.
Saddam Hussein is a baby compared to you
and your accomplices.
We have done nothing wrong, which still makes Saddam the monster that
he is. What you want to do, however, does make Saddam look like a
patsy, since you want to force a million women a year to suffer the
unnecessary hardships of an unwanted pregnancy by denying them the
right to a safe an legal abortion. And this denial will result in
increased poverty and welfare from the women that you force to continue
their pregnancies, tens of thousands of deaths a year from botched
abortions, and tens of thousands more women that are maimed or
sterilized from complications of botched abortions.
Mark Sebree
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30 Sep 2005 11:30:22 PM |
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Mark the babykiller on welfare writes:
tens of thousands of deaths a year from botched
abortions, and tens of thousands more women that are maimed or
sterilized from complications of botched abortions.
Idiot. That is good enough reason to STOP ABORTING FOR ALL STUPID
REASONS.
Like this pro-choice pregnant girl who lost her anaylst job during the
Internet bust - "Gee, I lost my job, I am not sure what to do. I cannot
have this baby. I cannot look after this child. Let me get it
terminated."
And she got a first class, clean abortion. Well, she sure is alive. The
baby is just meat now.
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01 Oct 2005 04:53:08 AM |
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On 30 Sep 2005 21:30:22 -0700, "pappu" <prakash1966@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1128141022.286277.67140@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Mark the babykiller on welfare writes:
tens of thousands of deaths a year from botched
abortions, and tens of thousands more women that are maimed or
sterilized from complications of botched abortions.
Idiot. That is good enough reason to STOP ABORTING FOR ALL STUPID
REASONS.
The freedom of choice requires no reason or justification.
Like this pro-choice pregnant girl who lost her anaylst job during the
Internet bust - "Gee, I lost my job, I am not sure what to do. I cannot
have this baby. I cannot look after this child. Let me get it
terminated."
And she got a first class, clean abortion. Well, she sure is alive. The
baby is just meat now.
There was no baby.
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| User: "pappu" |
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02 Oct 2005 12:35:49 AM |
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The freedom of choice requires no reason or justification.
Like freedom of speech that your ilk seem to use without reason or
justification.
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| User: "pappu" |
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01 Oct 2005 10:01:33 AM |
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Atilla:
There was no baby.
Again, dictionary logic. Get your contacts on.
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| User: "Attila" |
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01 Oct 2005 10:55:09 AM |
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On 1 Oct 2005 08:01:33 -0700, "pappu" <prakash1966@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1128178893.513921.7050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Atilla:
There was no baby.
Again, dictionary logic. Get your contacts on.
No, reality.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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01 Oct 2005 11:40:55 PM |
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pappu wrote:
Mark Sebree, the contract software engineer, writes:
tens of thousands of deaths a year from botched
abortions, and tens of thousands more women that are maimed or
sterilized from complications of botched abortions.
Idiot. That is good enough reason to STOP ABORTING FOR ALL STUPID
REASONS.
There is no better or more intelligent reason for an abortion than the
woman deciding that she does not want to continue her pregnancy.
Like this pro-choice pregnant girl who lost her anaylst job during the
Internet bust - "Gee, I lost my job, I am not sure what to do. I cannot
have this baby. I cannot look after this child. Let me get it
terminated."
And she got a first class, clean abortion. Well, she sure is alive. The
baby is just meat now.
What baby? You said that she got an abortion. That means that there
was never a baby born from that pregnancy.
Not only did she have the right to make that decision, she may have
seen no other alternative. She lost her job, and had no prospects.
She is also now without insurance to pay for pre-natal care, post-natal
care, and the actual childbirth. She is unlikely to get a new job
quickly, especially if she is obviously pregnant, since that is an
indication that she will be on paid medical leave soon after she is
hired. She may have realized that continuing this pregnancy would keep
her from getting employed, and possibly drive her into bankruptcy quite
quickly, which could also work against her for getting another job.
All in all, even though I would never presume to tell her what she
should and should not do in this circumstance, I think that she made
the right decision. Once her life settled down after getting a new
job, she could get pregnant again, and then continue it to completion,
and then raise the resulting baby with all the care and attention that
it needs.
You, on the other hand, would completely disregard her desires and her
situation. To you, nothing about her life matters. You would DEMAND
that she continue her pregnancy, even though that could be the worst
possible decision for her right now. You would be the direct cause of
her ruination, and you would ruin her life without a shred of regret.
You are the one that is heartless, not me.
Mark Sebree
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30 Sep 2005 12:02:14 PM |
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Mark the babykiller writes:
And women that have been through it have described it as the
worse pain imaginable that goes on for hours on end. That sure sounds
like torture to me.
It SOUNDS like torture to you. You tortured your mother. Did you
apologize to her, you bloody fool?
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01 Oct 2005 11:30:40 PM |
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pappu wrote:
Mark the babykiller writes:
And women that have been through it have described it as the
worse pain imaginable that goes on for hours on end. That sure sounds
like torture to me.
It SOUNDS like torture to you.
And that is probably, unlike you, I actually know the definition of
"torture".
You tortured your mother.
During childbirth, yes. More so since I am the elder child, and she
did not know what to expect.
Did you apologize to her, you bloody fool?
No, because she chose to have me. She knew what she was in for.
Are you going to apologize to all the women that you force to endure
this torture against their will because you have denied them access to
safe and legal abortions, assuming the worst happens and you get your
way? Because I doubt an apology will cut it for ruining their lives
and imposing unnecessary suffering on them.
Mark Sebree
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29 Sep 2005 11:50:03 PM |
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pervert pappu <prakash1966@hotmail.com> wrote:
No kidding. I wish even more that they would not try to legislate
their beleifs into law, or try to force others to follow those beliefs.
Laws will be created by people for all kinds of reasons.
Law without basis of fairness must be removed.
And your perverted wish to make woomen into slaves for the crime of
having sex is not "fair", not just, and will not happen.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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20 Sep 2005 08:43:56 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:29:47 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dgo3ho$k2i$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Janice M. Voak <blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
Again, your ego demands anyone who disagrees with you must be
miserable. Personally I am not.
So, these persons who claim to be athiests, and it is surely true, can use
profanity, have misguided words toward those of us, who are christians, and
that is alright, but if I "hurt their feelings," a little, by defending what
I feel about God and christianity, they get "up-in-arms," and say I have an
ego problem. Well, yes, I do, and I admit it, when it comes to our loving
God. It is not for myself, but for the love that He has shown to me, and to
you, even though you don't and won't accept it. I just find it so hard to
believe that anyone can be so unlearned of anything of God. So-be-it. You
say to prove it and I have done that, in all that I can do to convince all
of you, but you can't be convinced if you don't want to be, so, I am wasting
my breath. So, you have called me stupid, used foul language, and spewed
all kinds of insults, and that's alright, because "just look what they did
to my Savior." and I will stand in defence of Him any day, any time and any
hour, to the very last.
Such obstinance, such anger, such an outcry of pure nothingness. I do not
now, or never will, fit into a league of persons who have no knowledge of
the things of God. I would hope that you will, at some point, turn you
lives around and live for the God, that you do not believe in, and stop
being led by the devil, whom, also, you do not believe in.
Why, so that we can become as hate-filled and contemptuous of people
as you have become?
In my entire lifetime, I have never used the word hate to describe anyone,
just the sin that they do, because I do not believe there is such a thing as
hatred for a human being and their soul. Hate is something that people who
do not believe in God's word, would conjure up, and it has no place in the
heart of a christian. We do not hate a person, just the sin and wrong that
they do, because we know that with God, you can do better and live better.
You are so blind to the things that are right in front of your eyes.
Mt:15:14: Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the
blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. There are none so
blind as those who (will not see.)
Amid the
blithering writtings, and name calling, that I have seen from these
person's,
Like the way you call people agents of Satan?
So, if you aren't a child of God and you aren't a child of satan, just what
do you call yourself? There is good and bad in this earth. The good comes
from God and the bad comes from Satan. You either have one or the other.
The Bible says that you serve God or mammon. Lk:16:13: No servant can serve
two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he
will hold to the one, and despise the other. Since you don't know God, it
seems that you serve satan. (Right?) He that is faithful in that which is
least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust
also in much. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. So, it appears that you love
Satan and hate our loving God. It is your choice to make and it seems that
you have made your choice. I feel sorry for you, that the days of your life
will be continued without the love of God in your heart and soul, but as I
have said, that is your prerogorative. May God have mercy on you and you
say to me that you don't need it, or want it, but He does it just the same,
until the very end. And already, after just conferring just a few days, I
can tell exactly what you are going to say. "prove it." And I already
have. You just have blinders on and cannot see. Janice
Very well put. :)
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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19 Sep 2005 05:56:04 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:55:03 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<b5c7b$432eb520$cf4e763e$22615@BEALENET.COM> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:3firi1ltkufkn9u3bc66qacc6oi3o4s7ec@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:20:06 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<79d99$432d4d41$cf4e7643$26311@BEALENET.COM> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:7oqni1d5digilcg9l57m3v08bv7n6afp93@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:34:00 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:temli1550dsl8o71i81fojd7k2apsfcr9s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and
I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
Voak didn't write this. The (so-called athiest) did. Mallard or
something.
Mallard didn't write it, dimwit. And as I had pointed out to you,
Attila wrote it.
<clip>
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
Are you stupid, Voak?
Now Voak wrote this, No one could be any more stupid and ignorant, than
those who do not blieve, and this means you, Mallard, Attila and the rest
of
you, who feel that you have to put God down, because you are the children
of
satan.
Prove any of that.
Try God,
Which one?
you will like him and have a much happier life than this
shell of destroyed, supposed to be, human pieces of life that I see.
Again, your ego demands anyone who disagrees with you must be
miserable. Personally I am not.
Such obstinance, such anger, such an outcry of pure nothingness.
No, it simply beyond your comprehension. I suspect that happens a
lot.
I do not
now, or never will, fit into a league of persons who have no knowledge of
the things of God.
As long as you don't hurt anyone you can live according to whatever
delusions you like.
I would hope that you will, at some point, turn you
lives around and live for the God, that you do not believe in,
Since I have yet to see any proof any god exists I doubt I would be
paying much attention to anything involving one until that occurs.
and stop
being led by the devil, whom, also, you do not believe in.
SInce I have seen no evidence any such entity exists it is difficult
to see how it could 'lead' men anywhere.
Amid the
blithering writtings, and name calling, that I have seen from these
person's, I would say that there is nothing inside, to speak to, or try and
deal with, just pure emptiness, and darkness.
You can say just about anything you like. That goes nowhere toward
validating your babbling.
Then you say that you are not
miserable, after you have spent hours posting, spewing and spouting out
hatred,
Where have I indicated I hate anyone?
profanity,
Specific example please.
and guilt.
I feel guilty about nothing.
Happy people, laugh, love and show happiness,
of which I have seen none.
So? I would not use you as an example of someone upon whom any
reliance can be put as far as opinion is concerned.
Thanks but no thanks.
My comment to you exactly
I see no hope that you
can now, or ever will come to God,
Since I have seen no evidence any god exists there is small chance of
my taking one seriously.
and be happy,
Evidently you think no one can be happy without your god. You are so
wrong.
and be, "one of His."
Unlikely.
Only
He can deal with your insensitivity.
But I still see no proof of existence.
Just keep living in darkness and one
day, possibly, just possibly, you will come into the light and knowledge of
"The living God." I will pray that you will.
Unlikely, and definitely not if no proof of existence is presented.
God Bless,
Are you a complete idiot? Your offer is still rejected.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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18 Sep 2005 06:55:25 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:20:06 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:7oqni1d5digilcg9l57m3v08bv7n6afp93@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:34:00 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:temli1550dsl8o71i81fojd7k2apsfcr9s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
Voak didn't write this. The (so-called athiest) did. Mallard or
something.
Mallard didn't write it, dimwit. And as I had pointed out to you,
Attila wrote it.
<clip>
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
Are you stupid, Voak?
Now Voak wrote this,
So you forged me. What a surprise.
No one could be any more stupid and ignorant, than
those who do not blieve, and this means you, Mallard, Attila...
Idiot, where have I claimed I didn't believe in any higher power?
Insulting your blatant stupidity and negligence isn't deny the
existence of any deity.
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17 Sep 2005 08:19:56 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:09:30 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<7oqni1d5digilcg9l57m3v08bv7n6afp93@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:34:00 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:temli1550dsl8o71i81fojd7k2apsfcr9s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
Voak didn't write this. The (so-called athiest) did. Mallard or something.
Mallard didn't write it, dimwit. And as I had pointed out to you,
Attila wrote it.
<clip>
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
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| User: "Janice M. Voak" |
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18 Sep 2005 07:27:34 AM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:09:30 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<7oqni1d5digilcg9l57m3v08bv7n6afp93@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:34:00 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:temli1550dsl8o71i81fojd7k2apsfcr9s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
Voak didn't write this. The (so-called athiest) did. Mallard or
something.
Mallard didn't write it, dimwit. And as I had pointed out to you,
Attila wrote it.
<clip>
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Those who call other people names, are only doing so, because they have
nothing else to do, and no other vocabulary to speak humanly and sensibly.
It doesn't hurt me, because they spat on my Savior and the hanged Him, so
the we, (You and I) might live. As children of satan, you then try to put
someone down. As I said before, Try God. Let Him clean up your heart mind,
and soul, and make you happy instead of the miserable shell that you are. I
see nothing but the devils words coming from your mouth. God bless, Janice
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18 Sep 2005 03:10:51 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:27:34 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<cedd1$432d4f00$cf4e7643$26454@BEALENET.COM> wrote:
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Those who call other people names, are only doing so, because they have
nothing else to do, and no other vocabulary to speak humanly and sensibly.
No, it is a valid observation. You seem incapable of doing much of
anything beyond spew your religion in every direction.
It doesn't hurt me, because they spat on my Savior and the hanged Him, so
the we, (You and I) might live.
You have absolutely no idea what 'proof' even means do you? And you
wonder why you are considered stupid.
As children of satan,
Prove any such entity exists.
you then try to put
someone down. As I said before, Try God.
Prove any god exists.
Let Him clean up your heart mind,
and soul, and make you happy instead of the miserable shell that you are.
Personally I am anything but miserable. Why do you assume everyone
who disagrees with you is miserable? Is it an ego thing?
I
see nothing but the devils words coming from your mouth.
Prove any such entity exists.
God bless,
Offer refused.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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18 Sep 2005 06:53:21 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:27:34 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:09:30 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<7oqni1d5digilcg9l57m3v08bv7n6afp93@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:34:00 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:temli1550dsl8o71i81fojd7k2apsfcr9s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
Voak didn't write this. The (so-called athiest) did. Mallard or
something.
Mallard didn't write it, dimwit. And as I had pointed out to you,
Attila wrote it.
<clip>
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Those who call other people names, are only doing so, because they have
nothing else to do...
Your blatant disregard for people's posts (such as your top posting
and erratic quoting), such as the above, warranted it.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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17 Sep 2005 08:38:02 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:19:56 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:09:30 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<7oqni1d5digilcg9l57m3v08bv7n6afp93@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:34:00 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
"Louise Mallard" <louisemallard@journalist.com> wrote in message
news:temli1550dsl8o71i81fojd7k2apsfcr9s@4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
Voak didn't write this. The (so-called athiest) did. Mallard or something.
Mallard didn't write it, dimwit. And as I had pointed out to you,
Attila wrote it.
<clip>
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Are you stupid, Voak?
I would say that is obvious.
Yes.
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16 Sep 2005 10:00:07 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:43:15 -0400, Louise Mallard
<louisemallard@journalist.com> spake thusly:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:09:12 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:01:04 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
It wasn't a group dimwit - it was one. Me. Yes I am an atheist and I
am still waiting fro you to prove any god exists.
FYI, it is considered rude and annoying to top post
in usenet.
Maybe the proof you require is not possible to provide.
What proof would you accept?
Voak didn't quote Attila's words to which you are responding.
Yes she did. I didn't, since I won't help to
contribute to confusing in the ordering of text.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Sep 2005 10:00:58 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:27:47 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave: This is just exactly what I would expect of a group of people
who declare that they are athiests, and have no knowledge of God. These
people are heathens, sent straight from satan himself. They have cursed and
used words that I will not repeat. I have read many of your postings,
Pastor Dave, and I agree with you completely. When it comes to the sin of
killing the innocent baby, no one wants to hear what we have to say, because
they are so vile, that nothing of God's words can get through that satanic
barrier. Can you believe that they say there is no such thing in the Bible
and my Bible says, in God's commandments, that "thou shalt not kill!" That
also means babies who are not yet born. I have said I would not post here
anymore, but you know what? That is just what satan would have me do, and I
will not appease him. I still have freedom of speech, and I plan to use it.
I was raised by a Baptist minister, and He taught me to stand up for
something or I will fall for anything. That seems to be what these people
have done. If they don't want to read what I have to say, they can go
somewhere else to post their rantings. If I could get through to just one
of them, or possibly you could, It would have been worth it all. Thank you
for your post on the behalf of all of those aborted children, who will never
get the chance to stand up for themselves. Janice
I agree with you. I don't try to hold conversations
with them anymore in these news groups. They
have been here for quite some time, so it's not like
I am telling them something new. I just make my point
for the benefit of other readers. :)
*Don't tell GOD how big your storm is.
*Tell the storm how big your GOD is!
Amen! :)
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Louise Mallard" |
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15 Sep 2005 08:09:45 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:07:05 -0500, "Janice M. Voak"
<blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
Hi to all: I have said nothing here,
Indeed.
that is not true. All of you
apparently need to study more on abortion
<clip>
Here is a site for you, Blondie.
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
I've kept a smidge of your top-posted article intact, so that you may
understand why it's confusing to top-post.
When you can be bothered to post following the post of the sunscriber
to whom you're responding, then I'll be bothered to respond to your
inanity regarding abortion.
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dgbc2u$7jr$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Janice M. Voak <blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
Hi: Let me just say one thing to you. You are trying to show love and
compassion by telling me that those poor people in N.O. need my help.
Well,
they have it and much more. But you too, need help. I was not speaking
of
whatever Spitzie or anyone else had to say, but if he was speaking of the
abortion clinics being destroyed and hopefully no one was seriously
injured
or killed, but what are they doing to those poor innocent babies that they
are killing.
Lying is a sin.
How, in this world could any mother, for any reason, have a
child in her womb destroyed or a child that is being born, coming out of
the
birth canal, killed?
How could you pretend to be a loving christian while spewing such
hatred and lies?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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14 Sep 2005 10:02:29 AM |
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Janice M. Voak wrote:
Hi: Let me just say one thing to you. You are trying to show
love and compassion by telling me that those poor people in N.O.
need my help. Well, they have it and much more. But you too,
need help. I was not speaking of whatever Spitzie or anyone else
had to say,
I was. The whole point of my smart-alecky response (does God need
glasses?) was to direct some well-deserved snark in Spitzie's
direction regarding *his* concept of God - a God who destroys whole
cities and kills thousands of innocent people for the sake of rubbing
out a few abortion clinics.
Even the U.S. military is more careful about not snuffing out innocent
civilians than Spitzie's God. In my mind, that makes the U.S. military
more ethical than God, that is to say, Spitzie's God.
but if he was speaking of the abortion clinics being destroyed
and hopefully no one was seriously injured or killed,
Don Spitz is quite open about his support of terrorism against people
who don't measure up to *his* version of Christianity, and doesn't give
a rat's patootie about "human life", unless that life is a precious
little fetus curled up in its mother's womb. Can ya see why I might
feel a little disrespect for the man and his mission?
but what are they doing to those poor innocent babies that
they are killing.
You've come to the right place, because I can assure you, babies are
not killed by abortion.
w, in this world could any mother, for any reason, have a
child in her womb destroyed or a child that is being born,
coming out of the birth canal, killed?
You don't seem to know much about abortion.
I am a mother of four children and six grandchildren and
as much as I love them all, I just couldn't imagine anyone
being that cruel.
Cruelty implies that suffering is inflicted, and I can assure you, a
fetus/embryo in the 1st trimester (when 90% of abortions are performed)
cannot suffer.
Even animals do better than that. I can't even try to talk
about this thing because it makes my heart so sad and my
mother's instinct want to run and protect those little
innocent babies as they are starting into the world and
then they are killed, without ever a chance to live, love
or be someone, anyone to love, or be loved.
Yeah, right. How many children have you adopted?
I have seen and heard of cruelty in my 62 years, but never
imagined that it would come to killing God's precious
little ones, before they could take their first breath.
Are you under the impression that abortion is a recent phenomenon?
Abortion is not a recent invention - it has been with us for millennia.
Nor is it unique to the U.S., or even the western world. It is a
world-wide phenomenon. Every year, there are about 50 million
abortions all over the planet, despite the fact that 40% of the women
who have them live in countries where abortion is illegal.
Not only that, it is a virtual certainty that at least one of your
female ancestors had an abortion some time during her reproductive
years, and that if she hadn't, you wouldn't be here. Think about that.
Now thank you for your comments, but no thank you. Janice
One last comment: the drive to ban abortion in the U.S. will fail,
because well-to-do women will always be able to travel abroad for an
abortion, or slip some cash under the table to their ob/gyn doctors.
The only effect that criminalizing abortion has is to make abortion
less available and less safe for *poor* women. Is that what you want?
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14 Sep 2005 06:10:34 PM |
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All I have to say on this point is, "Thou shalt not kill." My Dad was a
minister all of his life. He taught me that whatever I did, came with
either Joy or consequences. If I were to become pregnant, I was the one
responsible and I should be the one to take care of that child, at any cost.
"You make your bed, you lie in it." I truly believe that. There are too
many means of birth control out there to have to kill an unborn child. None
of this makes sense to this old woman. You were talking about rich women
slipping money under the table, well, with all the means of birth control,
don't you think they could have afforded to use those means and not become
pregnant to start with. Then, they wouldn't have to go through an abortion.
You had better give me a better arguement than this one, because it makes no
sense. Poor people who have abortions, should take on the responsibility of
the child, unless they just have one every nine months, which many of them
do. Then adopt it out to someone who really wants and would love a child.
I have read and studied all about abortion, because I was so sure there
was a better way, so yes, at my age I know what I have read about abortion
and partial birth abortion. You know for sure that it doesn't hurt that
little life. Well, I couldn't even imagine how it is that you would know
that. If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't even be sitting here
discussing this.
You've come to the right place, because I can assure you, babies are
not killed by abortion.
Well, if they aren't killed by abortion, just what is it that the saline
solution or the scissors in the back of the neck, as it comes out of the
birth canal, does?? I really didn't want to be that outspoken about it, but
it makes my skin crawl, just speaking of it.
Yeah, right. How many children have you adopted?
I haven't adopted any, because I have had four of my own and helped to raise
my niece and one of my grandchildren, but I know many people who would like
to adopt, and am good friends with a man and wife who have had about 44
foster children over the matter of several years. What a blessing!! Sorry
but your answers don't fly with me, and those who are going to abort, are
going to do just that. Let the go ahead and do it and let them pay the
consequences of their actions, even if it is a law. I am done and refuse to
comment any more on this subject. I have had several people who cannot
discuss in a civil way, without using terrible language, and I will not be a
part of that. Not you, but some others. I don't know why I started talking
to any of these people anyway, because they are not of my generation or my
beliefs. I guess I just thought that with my belief in God and my
upbringing, I should be able to help someone. I guess not. Thanks anyway
for this discussion, I suppose I just grew up in a more civilized, just
world, where you righted any wrongs and you trusted in God to be there for
you in times of need. Janice.
*Don't tell GOD how big your storm is.
*Tell the storm how big your GOD is!
*Yahoo Messenger: Granvoak
*E-mail me at:
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1126709098.502888.9620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Janice M. Voak wrote:
Hi: Let me just say one thing to you. You are trying to show
love and compassion by telling me that those poor people in N.O.
need my help. Well, they have it and much more. But you too,
need help. I was not speaking of whatever Spitzie or anyone else
had to say,
I was. The whole point of my smart-alecky response (does God need
glasses?) was to direct some well-deserved snark in Spitzie's
direction regarding *his* concept of God - a God who destroys whole
cities and kills thousands of innocent people for the sake of rubbing
out a few abortion clinics.
Even the U.S. military is more careful about not snuffing out innocent
civilians than Spitzie's God. In my mind, that makes the U.S. military
more ethical than God, that is to say, Spitzie's God.
but if he was speaking of the abortion clinics being destroyed
and hopefully no one was seriously injured or killed,
Don Spitz is quite open about his support of terrorism against people
who don't measure up to *his* version of Christianity, and doesn't give
a rat's patootie about "human life", unless that life is a precious
little fetus curled up in its mother's womb. Can ya see why I might
feel a little disrespect for the man and his mission?
but what are they doing to those poor innocent babies that
they are killing.
You've come to the right place, because I can assure you, babies are
not killed by abortion.
w, in this world could any mother, for any reason, have a
child in her womb destroyed or a child that is being born,
coming out of the birth canal, killed?
You don't seem to know much about abortion.
I am a mother of four children and six grandchildren and
as much as I love them all, I just couldn't imagine anyone
being that cruel.
Cruelty implies that suffering is inflicted, and I can assure you, a
fetus/embryo in the 1st trimester (when 90% of abortions are performed)
cannot suffer.
Even animals do better than that. I can't even try to talk
about this thing because it makes my heart so sad and my
mother's instinct want to run and protect those little
innocent babies as they are starting into the world and
then they are killed, without ever a chance to live, love
or be someone, anyone to love, or be loved.
Yeah, right. How many children have you adopted?
I have seen and heard of cruelty in my 62 years, but never
imagined that it would come to killing God's precious
little ones, before they could take their first breath.
Are you under the impression that abortion is a recent phenomenon?
Abortion is not a recent invention - it has been with us for millennia.
Nor is it unique to the U.S., or even the western world. It is a
world-wide phenomenon. Every year, there are about 50 million
abortions all over the planet, despite the fact that 40% of the women
who have them live in countries where abortion is illegal.
Not only that, it is a virtual certainty that at least one of your
female ancestors had an abortion some time during her reproductive
years, and that if she hadn't, you wouldn't be here. Think about that.
Now thank you for your comments, but no thank you. Janice
One last comment: the drive to ban abortion in the U.S. will fail,
because well-to-do women will always be able to travel abroad for an
abortion, or slip some cash under the table to their ob/gyn doctors.
The only effect that criminalizing abortion has is to make abortion
less available and less safe for *poor* women. Is that what you want?
.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Good News From New Orleans |
15 Sep 2005 03:44:18 AM |
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Janice M. Voak <blondie@bealenet.com> wrote:
All I have to say on this point is, "Thou shalt not kill."
Thou shalt not bear false witness, either, but that doesn't seem to
stop you from lying about people. Nor does that business not looking
to the beam in your own eye stop you from telling everybody else how
to live.
My Dad was a
minister all of his life. He taught me that whatever I did, came with
either Joy or consequences.
Don't see any joy coming from you.
If I were to become pregnant, I was the one
responsible and I should be the one to take care of that child, at any cost.
Then YOU do that.
"You make your bed, you lie in it." I truly believe that.
Now you're saying that people should be punished. That sex is a crime
for which women must be made to suffer.
There are too
many means of birth control out there to have to kill an unborn child.
While you whine about other people some 10,000 people (mostly
children) are dying of hunger every day. $20/month would be
enough to save a child's life, but you'd rather spend your time
and money telling other people how callous they are.
You are a hypocrite.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Good News From New Orleans |
14 Sep 2005 05:49:00 PM |
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Janice M. Voak wrote:
All I have to say on this point is, "Thou shalt not kill." My Dad was a
minister all of his life. He taught me that whatever I did, came with
either Joy or consequences. If I were to become pregnant, I was the one
responsible and I should be the one to take care of that child, at any cost.
"You make your bed, you lie in it." I truly believe that.
Do you believe in denying medical care for broken bones, because they
could have simply not been climbing the ladder or riding the bicycle?
There are too
many means of birth control out there to have to kill an unborn child.
They fail.
None
of this makes sense to this old woman. You were talking about rich women
slipping money under the table, well, with all the means of birth control,
don't you think they could have afforded to use those means and not become
pregnant to start with. Then, they wouldn't have to go through an abortion.
You had better give me a better arguement than this one, because it makes no
sense. Poor people who have abortions, should take on the responsibility of
the child, unless they just have one every nine months, which many of them
do. Then adopt it out to someone who really wants and would love a child.
Adopting out a child is a horrific experience that I would not wish on
anyone. I've done it. Have you, who speak so blithely about it?
I have read and studied all about abortion, because I was so sure there
was a better way, so yes, at my age I know what I have read about abortion
and partial birth abortion. You know for sure that it doesn't hurt that
little life. Well, I couldn't even imagine how it is that you would know
that. If your mother had aborted you, you wouldn't even be sitting here
discussing this.
You've come to the right place, because I can assure you, babies are
not killed by abortion.
Well, if they aren't killed by abortion, just what is it that the saline
solution or the scissors in the back of the neck, as it comes out of the
birth canal, does?? I really didn't want to be that outspoken about it, but
it makes my skin crawl, just speaking of it.
Yeah, right. How many children have you adopted?
I haven't adopted any, because I have had four of my own and helped to raise
my niece and one of my grandchildren, but I know many people who would like
to adopt, and am good friends with a man and wife who have had about 44
foster children over the matter of several years. What a blessing!! Sorry
but your answers don't fly with me, and those who are going to abort, are
going to do just that. Let the go ahead and do it and let them pay the
consequences of their actions, even if it is a law.
I'm sorry, but this does not say "God's love" to me. This kind of thing
is the reason so many christians are disrespected.
I am done and refuse to
comment any more on this subject. I have had several people who cannot
discuss in a civil way, without using terrible language, and I will not be a
part of that. Not you, but some others. I don't know why I started talking
to any of these people anyway, because they are not of my generation or my
beliefs. I guess I just thought that with my belief in God and my
upbringing, I should be able to help someone. I guess not. Thanks anyway
for this discussion, I suppose I just grew up in a more civilized, just
world, where you righted any wrongs and you trusted in God to be there for
you in times of need. Janice.
*Don't tell GOD how big your storm is.
*Tell the storm how big your GOD is!
*Yahoo Messenger: Granvoak
*E-mail me at:
<spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1126709098.502888.9620@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Janice M. Voak wrote:
Hi: Let me just say one thing to you. You are trying to show
love and compassion by telling me that those poor people in N.O.
need my help. Well, they have it and much more. But you too,
need help. I was not speaking of whatever Spitzie or anyone else
had to say,
I was. The whole point of my smart-alecky response (does God need
glasses?) was to direct some well-deserved snark in Spitzie's
direction regarding *his* concept of God - a God who destroys whole
cities and kills thousands of innocent people for the sake of rubbing
out a few abortion clinics.
Even the U.S. military is more careful about not snuffing out innocent
civilians than Spitzie's God. In my mind, that makes the U.S. military
more ethical than God, that is to say, Spitzie's God.
but if he was speaking of the abortion clinics being destroyed
and hopefully no one was seriously injured or killed,
Don Spitz is quite open about his support of terrorism against people
who don't measure up to *his* version of Christianity, and doesn't give
a rat's patootie about "human life", unless that life is a precious
little fetus curled up in its mother's womb. Can ya see why I might
feel a little disrespect for the man and his mission?
but what are they doing to those poor innocent babies that
they are killing.
You've come to the right place, because I can assure you, babies are
not killed by abortion.
w, in this world could any mother, for any reason, have a
child in her womb destroyed or a child that is being born,
coming out of the birth canal, killed?
You don't seem to know much about abortion.
I am a mother of four children and six grandchildren and
as much as I love them all, I just couldn't imagine anyone
being that cruel.
Cruelty implies that suffering is inflicted, and I can assure you, a
fetus/embryo in the 1st trimester (when 90% of abortions are performed)
cannot suffer.
Even animals do better than that. I can't even try to talk
about this thing because it makes my heart so sad and my
mother's instinct want to run and protect those little
innocent babies as they are starting into the world and
then they are killed, without ever a chance to live, love
or be someone, anyone to love, or be loved.
Yeah, right. How many children have you adopted?
I have seen and heard of cruelty in my 62 years, but never
imagined that it would come to killing God's precious
little ones, before they could take their first breath.
Are you under the impression that abortion is a recent phenomenon?
Abortion is not a recent invention - it has been with us for millennia.
Nor is it unique to the U.S., or even the western world. It is a
world-wide phenomenon. Every year, there are about 50 million
abortions all over the planet, despite the fact that 40% of the women
who have them live in countries where abortion is illegal.
Not only that, it is a virtual certainty that at least one of your
female ancestors had an abortion some time during her reproductive
years, and that if she hadn't, you wouldn' | | | |
