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"LeMod Pol" |
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28 Sep 2004 07:02:07 PM |
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Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
Three Federal Judges in three states have delivered
similar decisions effectively telling Congress and the
government to stay out of the nation's operating rooms.
The cases were on the East and West coasts and now in
the heartland.
Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure
LINCOLN, Neb. - The Justice Department said Tuesday
that it will appeal a Nebraska judge's ruling striking
down the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.
U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf declared the ban
unconstitutional Sept. 8, saying it interferes with the
right to an abortion and fails to allow exceptions when
a woman's health is in danger.
The Justice Department said it will challenge ruling on
both counts before the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
The law, signed by President Bush last year, bans a
procedure that doctors call intact dilation and
extraction and critics refer to as partial-birth
abortion. The fetus is partially removed from the womb
and its skull is punctured or crushed.
The ban has not been enforced because three federal
judges agreed to hear constitutional challenges in
simultaneous non-jury trials.
Kopf's ruling followed similar decisions by federal
judges in New York and San Francisco. The Justice
Department already has filed an appeal of the San
Francisco ruling.
The dispute is expected by many legal experts to
eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court.
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LP
In politics, moderation is the best policy
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
28 Sep 2004 11:23:20 PM |
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In article <4159FB43.B93DEBB7@igs.net>, LeMod Pol <mod_pol@igs.net>
wrote:
Three Federal Judges in three states have delivered
similar decisions effectively telling Congress and the
government to stay out of the nation's operating rooms.
The cases were on the East and West coasts and now in
the heartland.
Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure
Why is this a surprise? Of course the government will appeal.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
28 Sep 2004 11:28:54 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-5AA1AC.00232029092004@news-40.giganews.com...
In article <4159FB43.B93DEBB7@igs.net>, LeMod Pol <mod_pol@igs.net>
wrote:
Three Federal Judges in three states have delivered
similar decisions effectively telling Congress and the
government to stay out of the nation's operating rooms.
The cases were on the East and West coasts and now in
the heartland.
Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure
Why is this a surprise? Of course the government will appeal.
It's an election year.
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
28 Sep 2004 11:51:51 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:02:07 -0400, LeMod Pol wrote:
Three Federal Judges in three states have delivered similar decisions
effectively telling Congress and the government to stay out of the
nation's operating rooms. The cases were on the East and West coasts and
now in the heartland.
Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure
LINCOLN, Neb. - The Justice Department said Tuesday that it will appeal a
Nebraska judge's ruling striking down the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.
U.S. District Judge Richard Kopf declared the ban unconstitutional Sept.
8, saying it interferes with the right to an abortion and fails to allow
exceptions when a woman's health is in danger.
The Justice Department said it will challenge ruling on both counts before
the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
The law, signed by President Bush last year, bans a procedure that doctors
call intact dilation and extraction and critics refer to as partial-birth
abortion. The fetus is partially removed from the womb and its skull is
punctured or crushed.
The ban has not been enforced because three federal judges agreed to hear
constitutional challenges in simultaneous non-jury trials.
Kopf's ruling followed similar decisions by federal judges in New York and
San Francisco. The Justice Department already has filed an appeal of the
San Francisco ruling.
The dispute is expected by many legal experts to eventually reach the U.S.
Supreme Court.
This is what happens when we give 'government' unlimited access to our
hard earned dollars. What an incredible waste of time, money and risk to
women not to mention the violation of body rights.
All men may have been created but not women.
-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
29 Sep 2004 01:05:38 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:51:51 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon
<curly@curlysurmudgeon.com> wrote:
This is what happens when we give 'government' unlimited access to our
hard earned dollars.
a) lets see any disenchantment you've ever posted with government use
of "our money" when they wasted $100 million investigating Clinton.
b) The Government has "access" to SOME of our "hard-earned" dollars,
---and because those who think that they shouldn't have any, give aid
and comfort to those who devise systematic plans to funnel it to the
top 2%.
We give the government "some access" because that's morally and
ethically needed to "provide for the general welfare" and "common
defense" (which doesn't necessarily mean military).
What loonytarians argue, is that "all men are created equal" and
ignore that "all men" are NOT equally capable of either surviving man
made greed and behavior.
Loonytarians simply ignore history and the eras (some recently) in
which their phony views were in vogue. Robber Barons, shoddy
procucts, horrible working conditions, market manipulation, corrupt
government, child labor........the list is endless. But it was a
loonytarian utopia-----IF you had the "individual" ability to raise
human aberrations to their worst level
All men may have been created but not women.
A generalized philosophical tenet about all men being "created equal"
is an ideal,---- however not universally accepted as a workable
reality without controls on those who take advantage of others less
inclined.
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After being told by an aide; "America is under attack", George
Bush, (supposed protector of America/leader) sat in a silent stupor
for 7 minutes, frozen like a deer in a cars headlights. Sources say that
it was more like 26 minutes because after he left the "kiddies"
he had no idea what to do.
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
29 Sep 2004 09:27:17 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:38 -0600, archie-Leac wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:51:51 -0700, Curly Surmudgeon
<curly@curlysurmudgeon.com> wrote:
This is what happens when we give 'government' unlimited access to our
hard earned dollars.
a) lets see any disenchantment you've ever posted with government use of
"our money" when they wasted $100 million investigating Clinton.
Go read my posts in other venues, I'll give you some links in private.
b) The Government has "access" to SOME of our "hard-earned" dollars,
---and because those who think that they shouldn't have any, give aid and
comfort to those who devise systematic plans to funnel it to the top 2%.
Some? They have access to all of it. Just because they may not have
attached your bank accounts doesn't mean the power hasn't been abused
elsewhere.
We give the government "some access" because that's morally and ethically
needed to "provide for the general welfare" and "common defense" (which
doesn't necessarily mean military).
"Some access"? It's whatever politicians decide upon year to year. You
and I have no say in the matter. In fact taxation, as currently
implemented, is highly regressive. The worse the economy the more they
take, diametrically opposite common sense.
What loonytarians argue, is that "all men are created equal" and ignore
that "all men" are NOT equally capable of either surviving man made greed
and behavior.
Oh, quit already. Mischaracterizing, insulting, and name-calling destroys
any semblence of dialog and is a form of bigotry in itself. Speak to the
issues and stop bringing up straw men. End of this discussion.
Loonytarians simply ignore history and the eras (some recently) in which
their phony views were in vogue. Robber Barons, shoddy procucts, horrible
working conditions, market manipulation, corrupt government, child
labor........the list is endless. But it was a loonytarian utopia-----IF
you had the "individual" ability to raise human aberrations to their worst
level
All men may have been created but not women.
A generalized philosophical tenet about all men being "created equal" is
an ideal,---- however not universally accepted as a workable reality
without controls on those who take advantage of others less inclined.
=========================================================
After being told by an aide; "America is under attack", George Bush,
(supposed protector of America/leader) sat in a silent stupor for 7
minutes, frozen like a deer in a cars headlights. Sources say that it
was more like 26 minutes because after he left the "kiddies" he had no
idea what to do.
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-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "Jeff George" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
30 Sep 2004 01:54:21 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:27:17 -0700 I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from Curly Surmudgeon <curly@curlysurmudgeon.com>:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:38 -0600, archie-Leac wrote:
We give the government "some access" because that's morally and ethically
needed to "provide for the general welfare" and "common defense" (which
doesn't necessarily mean military).
"Some access"? It's whatever politicians decide upon year to year. You
and I have no say in the matter.
But then you might as well do away with our elective system of
government, if you feel we have no say through the electing of
representatives.
--
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
- The Who
"Who? What? There's an old saying in Guatemala. I know
it's in Nicaragua. Meet he new boss. We don't get fooled
again in teenage wasteland."
- George W. Bush
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
30 Sep 2004 10:58:11 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:54:21 -0400, Jeff George wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:27:17 -0700 I used my godlike powers to observe the
following from Curly Surmudgeon <curly@curlysurmudgeon.com>:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:38 -0600, archie-Leac wrote:
We give the government "some access" because that's morally and
ethically needed to "provide for the general welfare" and "common
defense" (which doesn't necessarily mean military).
"Some access"? It's whatever politicians decide upon year to year. You
and I have no say in the matter.
But then you might as well do away with our elective system of government,
if you feel we have no say through the electing of representatives.
You made an unwarranted leap of logic or misread my statement.
-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "Aegis" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
30 Sep 2004 11:03:50 PM |
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"Curly Surmudgeon" <curly@curlysurmudgeon.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.10.01.03.58.10.61839@curlysurmudgeon.com...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:54:21 -0400, Jeff George wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:27:17 -0700 I used my godlike powers to observe
the
following from Curly Surmudgeon <curly@curlysurmudgeon.com>:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:38 -0600, archie-Leac wrote:
We give the government "some access" because that's morally and
ethically needed to "provide for the general welfare" and "common
defense" (which doesn't necessarily mean military).
"Some access"? It's whatever politicians decide upon year to year. You
and I have no say in the matter.
But then you might as well do away with our elective system of
government,
if you feel we have no say through the electing of representatives.
You made an unwarranted leap of logic or misread my statement.
You DID say that "you and I" have no say in the matter; politicians
decide...
You and I DO have a say in the matter through our votes and our
communications to our representatives.
-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "Jeff George" |
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| Title: Re: Government to appeal ruling on abortion measure |
01 Oct 2004 01:08:17 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:03:50 GMT I used my godlike powers to observe
the following from "Aegis" <lordaegis@yahoo.com>:
"Curly Surmudgeon" <curly@curlysurmudgeon.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.10.01.03.58.10.61839@curlysurmudgeon.com...
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:54:21 -0400, Jeff George wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:27:17 -0700 I used my godlike powers to observe
the
following from Curly Surmudgeon <curly@curlysurmudgeon.com>:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:38 -0600, archie-Leac wrote:
We give the government "some access" because that's morally and
ethically needed to "provide for the general welfare" and "common
defense" (which doesn't necessarily mean military).
"Some access"? It's whatever politicians decide upon year to year. You
and I have no say in the matter.
But then you might as well do away with our elective system of
government,
if you feel we have no say through the electing of representatives.
You made an unwarranted leap of logic or misread my statement.
You DID say that "you and I" have no say in the matter; politicians
decide...
You and I DO have a say in the matter through our votes and our
communications to our representatives.
Right. That's the point I was making. If taxation is an issue that we
have no say in, wouldn't it stand to follow that we have no say in ANY
issues that our politicians discuss?
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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- The Chimp 13-Sep-01
"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- The Chimp 13-Mar-02
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