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User: "Papa Jack"
Date: 21 Apr 2004 10:46:37 AM
Object: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million
On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."
http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7
___________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"...In the 2002 race, the Democratic Party's silent
partners spent more than $185 million—more than dou-
ble the money spent by Republican organizations.
"The Center's report shows that the Democrats and
Democratic-leaning organizations made great use of
a special type of political committee that can raise
unlimited amounts of money to influence elections.
These committees, known as 527 organizations after
the part of the Internal Revenue Code that defines
their tax status, can claim tax-exempt status as
political committees while at the same time avoiding
regulation by state or federal election authorities.
In fact, 527s may raise unlimited amounts of money
from virtually any source and can spend those funds
on just about any election-related activity except
contributing directly to federal candidates. Since
a law mandating disclosure passed in 2000, such
groups accounted for just under $450 million in
spending. Committees run by Democratic parties and
candidates, along with their labor, environmental,
abortion rights and trial lawyer allies, have spent
nearly two-thirds of that total.
___________________________________________________________________
A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=topindiv
Fonda, Jane $13,085,750
"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."
.

User: "Jon Young"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 21 Apr 2004 11:57:42 PM
(Papa Jack) wrote in message news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7
___________________________________________________________________

..

__[snip]_________________________________________________________________

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=topindiv

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support the
pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I to
be a baby killer supporter.
.
User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 22 Apr 2004 05:41:26 PM
In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
(Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7
___________________________________________________________________

.

__[snip]_________________________________________________________________

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=topindi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support the
pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I to
be a baby killer supporter.

There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to resort
to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 12:36:49 AM
Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<srhi-57334B.18412622042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7
___________________________________________________________________

.

__[snip]_________________________________________________________________

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=topindi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support the
pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I to
be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to resort
to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?

As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery
Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American Heritage.
.
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User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 08:08:04 AM
In article <8912d58d.0404232136.4aafd056@posting.google.com>,
(osprey) wrote:

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-57334B.18412622042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7
___________________________________________________________________

.

__[snip]________________________________________________________________
_

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=top
indi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support the
pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I to
be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to resort
to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children. That is the very definition of slavery.
You cannot be anti-choice and anti-slavery at the same time. The two are
mutually inclusive.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 02:19:19 PM
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-AE1BA9.09080425042004@news-60.giganews.com...

In article <8912d58d.0404232136.4aafd056@posting.google.com>,
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-57334B.18412622042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7

___________________________________________________________________

.


__[snip]________________________________________________________________

_

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:


http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=top

indi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children.

That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.

That is the very definition of slavery.
You cannot be anti-choice and anti-slavery at the same time. The two are
mutually inclusive.

This is a must save in the notes. "You cannot be anti-choice and
anti-slavery at the same time"
Going to be nice when I tell you that you cannot be pro-choice can claim to
not be pro-abortion
Tell you what, you give me some evidence that I ever said I support forcing
women to give birth.
If you can do that, great..you got a case.
If you can't, you can apologize for making the false accusation
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 06:27:35 PM
In article <W6ednbK0N-iCkhHd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-AE1BA9.09080425042004@news-60.giganews.com...

In article <8912d58d.0404232136.4aafd056@posting.google.com>,
noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-57334B.18412622042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7

___________________________________________________________________

.


__[snip]________________________________________________________________

_

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:


http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=top

indi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children.


That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.

Making abortion illegal would do that.



That is the very definition of slavery.
You cannot be anti-choice and anti-slavery at the same time. The two are
mutually inclusive.


This is a must save in the notes. "You cannot be anti-choice and
anti-slavery at the same time"

Going to be nice when I tell you that you cannot be pro-choice can claim to
not be pro-abortion

But you are an idiot, so we expect that.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 03:09:13 PM
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:

As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children.


That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.

Heishman is a dumbshit liar, too stupid to notice the dozens of
anti-abortion fanatics who do, in fact, demand forced childbirth
for all women who are pregnant.
As for Heishman himself - he has argued that he is anti-abortion,
anti-choice, pro-abortion, and pro-choice, all at the same time.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 30 Apr 2004 01:03:28 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6h5t9$mks$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:


As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children.


That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.


Heishman is a dumbshit liar,

Where is the lie?
Prove I lied
too stupid to notice the dozens of

anti-abortion fanatics who do,

I know of no one that supports that, and I certainly know I don't.
Now, prove I am lying
in fact, demand forced childbirth

for all women who are pregnant.

I don't demand it, and I know no one that does.
Prove I am lying


As for Heishman himself - he has argued that he is anti-abortion,
anti-choice, pro-abortion, and pro-choice, all at the same time.

I am anti-abortion...I do not agree with abortion
Even though I do not agree with abortion, I still don't think making
it illegal is a good idea. By definition of pro-abortion that means I
am pro-abortion..since I support it being legal. I am not
anti-choice.
As far as pro-choice, I support everyones right to choose legal
options.
Got a problem with that?
Problem is, you don't know the definitions of the words and terms you
use.
It would be helpful if you would get over your hate and bigotry to
start listening to others and understanding instead of looking to
***** and complain all the time.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 30 Apr 2004 01:08:49 AM
In article <8912d58d.0404292203.340afb1e@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6h5t9$mks$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:


As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children.


That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.


Heishman is a dumbshit liar,



Where is the lie?
Prove I lied

If you wrote something, you lied.



too stupid to notice the dozens of

anti-abortion fanatics who do,


I know of no one that supports that, and I certainly know I don't.

Now, prove I am lying

Prove you aren't an idiot.



in fact, demand forced childbirth

for all women who are pregnant.


I don't demand it, and I know no one that does.
Prove I am lying

Yawn... How boring.



As for Heishman himself - he has argued that he is anti-abortion,
anti-choice, pro-abortion, and pro-choice, all at the same time.


I am anti-abortion...I do not agree with abortion

Heishman is making up his own language again.

Even though I do not agree with abortion, I still don't think making
it illegal is a good idea. By definition of pro-abortion that means I
am pro-abortion..since I support it being legal.

No - that makes you an idiot.

I am not
anti-choice.

Of course you are.

As far as pro-choice, I support everyones right to choose legal
options.
Got a problem with that?

You just don't support abortion being legal, right? More half truths,
*****?


Problem is, you don't know the definitions of the words and terms you
use.

EVERYONE knows but you.


It would be helpful if you would get over your hate and bigotry to
start listening to others and understanding instead of looking to
***** and complain all the time.

Pot calling the kettle black.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 30 Apr 2004 08:16:35 AM
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:290420042308491940%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <8912d58d.0404292203.340afb1e@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6h5t9$mks$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:


As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus,

become

responsible for raising children.


That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.


Heishman is a dumbshit liar,



Where is the lie?
Prove I lied


If you wrote something, you lied.

Still want to act like a child eh?




too stupid to notice the dozens of

anti-abortion fanatics who do,


I know of no one that supports that, and I certainly know I don't.

Now, prove I am lying


Prove you aren't an idiot.

Yep, you still want to act like a child




in fact, demand forced childbirth

for all women who are pregnant.


I don't demand it, and I know no one that does.
Prove I am lying


Yawn... How boring.

Says the child




As for Heishman himself - he has argued that he is anti-abortion,
anti-choice, pro-abortion, and pro-choice, all at the same time.


I am anti-abortion...I do not agree with abortion


Heishman is making up his own language again.

What is being made up?


Even though I do not agree with abortion, I still don't think making
it illegal is a good idea. By definition of pro-abortion that means I
am pro-abortion..since I support it being legal.


No - that makes you an idiot.

Says the one who has to be dishonest and break up terms to redefine them


I am not
anti-choice.


Of course you are.

Show me where I ever said or shown I was anti-choice


As far as pro-choice, I support everyones right to choose legal
options.
Got a problem with that?


You just don't support abortion being legal, right? More half truths,
*****?

Do you read? Obviously not...
I said I support abortion being legal idiot. I have said it all along,
never changed my stance on it.



Problem is, you don't know the definitions of the words and terms you
use.


EVERYONE knows but you.

You were the one who needs to break apart terms.
I can play your little game too and prove you are not pro-choice



It would be helpful if you would get over your hate and bigotry to
start listening to others and understanding instead of looking to
***** and complain all the time.


Pot calling the kettle black.

Says the largest pot of them all
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 30 Apr 2004 10:19:27 AM
In article <l8CdnU9AeYo2zA_dRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Even though I do not agree with abortion, I still don't think making
it illegal is a good idea. By definition of pro-abortion that means I
am pro-abortion..since I support it being legal.


No - that makes you an idiot.


Says the one who has to be dishonest and break up terms to redefine them

Break up terms? LOL! That is what common English and all dictionaries
say. There is no way a college lets you attend.



I am not
anti-choice.


Of course you are.


Show me where I ever said or shown I was anti-choice

Already done.




As far as pro-choice, I support everyones right to choose legal
options.
Got a problem with that?


You just don't support abortion being legal, right? More half truths,
*****?


Do you read? Obviously not...
I said I support abortion being legal idiot. I have said it all along,
never changed my stance on it.

You are your typical two faced Republican. You talk out of both sides
of your mouth.





Problem is, you don't know the definitions of the words and terms you
use.


EVERYONE knows but you.


You were the one who needs to break apart terms.

Noooo. That is called English.

I can play your little game too and prove you are not pro-choice

Which only proves you are an idiot. I AM pro-choice. I am "in favor
of" choice. Loser...
Webster¹s Dictionary
4 sense(s) for ³pro²
1. pro
€ (noun) [pros]
­ favorable argument or person
€ (adverb)
­ in favor
2. pro (homograph)
€ (noun) [pros]
­ professional
€ (adjective)
­ professional
.
User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 30 Apr 2004 10:53:32 AM
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:19:27 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:

In article <l8CdnU9AeYo2zA_dRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Even though I do not agree with abortion, I still don't think making
it illegal is a good idea. By definition of pro-abortion that means I
am pro-abortion..since I support it being legal.


No - that makes you an idiot.


Says the one who has to be dishonest and break up terms to redefine them


Break up terms? LOL! That is what common English and all dictionaries
say. There is no way a college lets you attend.

Amazing that he has the gall to make that statement after his
'pro-choice' definition fiasco. Don't let him forget that one.




I am not
anti-choice.


Of course you are.


Show me where I ever said or shown I was anti-choice


Already done.




As far as pro-choice, I support everyones right to choose legal
options.
Got a problem with that?


You just don't support abortion being legal, right? More half truths,
*****?


Do you read? Obviously not...
I said I support abortion being legal idiot. I have said it all along,
never changed my stance on it.


You are your typical two faced Republican. You talk out of both sides
of your mouth.

Let me get this straight - he claims that he supports abortion being
legal, and yet we already know that he supports laws that make some
abortions illegal...
Bobby's been lying so much he's now lost track of what lies he's told.
It's common (with him, anyway).
[snip]
---
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
- Richard Dawkins
.




User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 30 Apr 2004 11:50:29 PM
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6h5t9$mks$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message

noneedtoknow@mail.com (osprey) wrote:


As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery


No lie at all. You support forcing women to give birth and thus, become
responsible for raising children.


That is a lie, no one supports that, and I certainly know I don't.


Heishman is a dumbshit liar,


Where is the lie?

In your sentence, *****.

Prove I lied

Shove it up your *****.

too stupid to notice the dozens of
anti-abortion fanatics who do,


I know of no one that supports that,

You're a liar, *****.

in fact, demand forced childbirth
for all women who are pregnant.


I don't demand it, and I know no one that does.

You're a liar, *****.

As for Heishman himself - he has argued that he is anti-abortion,
anti-choice, pro-abortion, and pro-choice, all at the same time.


I am anti-abortion...I do not agree with abortion

Tough *****, *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.





User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 12:45:03 AM
In article <8912d58d.0404232136.4aafd056@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-57334B.18412622042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7
___________________________________________________________________

.


__[snip]________________________________________________________________
_

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:


http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=top
indi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support the
pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I to
be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to resort
to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American Heritage.

Says who? LOL! You are a putz.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 07:54:07 AM
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:230420042245033535%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <8912d58d.0404232136.4aafd056@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-57334B.18412622042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <25e1e54f.0404212057.6ea99f4@posting.google.com>,
jdyoung1@volcanomail.com (Jon Young) wrote:

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote in message
news:<6f9e1b49.0404210746.3a4e84b@posting.google.com>...

On April 21, 2004, The Center for Public Integrity posted an
report by Derek Willis and Aron Pilhofer titled " Silent
Partners: How Political Non-Profits Work the System."

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=7

___________________________________________________________________

.



__[snip]________________________________________________________________

_

A chart of Major Individual Donors to 527 Committees is at:



http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=con&sec=indiv&sub=top

indi
v

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

"Fonda is the top individual contributor by far
to 527 committees, outspending the second-place
individual by more than $10 million. The two-
time Oscar winning actress, daughter of actor
Henry Fonda, became involved in the anti-Viet-
nam War movement in the late 1960s. Later, she
conceived a highly successful line of exercise
videos, and she married and subsequently divor-
ced media mogul Ted Turner, founder of CNN. She
is a major supporter of abortion rights organi-
zations and was the sole funder of the 527 com-
mittee, Pro-Choice Vote."


Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.

says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal attack.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 09:42:17 AM
In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal attack.

So, American Heritage has made the determination that American Heritage
creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes sense.
You are a putz.
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 01:25:40 PM
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her

support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were

I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane

person

supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American

Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American Heritage
creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes sense.
You are a putz.

So....
You asked who, I told you. You have no rebuttal
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 06:54:48 PM
In article <4cGdnRkUJvuTLBfdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her

support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were

I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane

person

supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American

Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American Heritage
creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes sense.
You are a putz.


So....
You asked who, I told you. You have no rebuttal

I thought it was obvious. I guess not. American Heritage lacks
authority.




.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 07:13:40 PM
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420041654481158%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <4cGdnRkUJvuTLBfdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her

support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions

were

I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane

person

supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need

to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people

pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American

Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal

attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American

Heritage

creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes

sense.

You are a putz.


So....
You asked who, I told you. You have no rebuttal


I thought it was obvious. I guess not. American Heritage lacks
authority.

Well, until you can provide a source that says a fetus isn't a baby, you
have no rebuttal.
End of story.
I have a source, and I also have a quote by a surgeon that calls the fetus a
baby.
You have...well your norm...nothing





.
User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 08:10:03 AM
In article <ve-dnWURxf4OnxbdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420041654481158%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <4cGdnRkUJvuTLBfdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her

support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions

were

I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane

person

supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need

to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people

pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American

Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal

attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American

Heritage

creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes

sense.

You are a putz.


So....
You asked who, I told you. You have no rebuttal


I thought it was obvious. I guess not. American Heritage lacks
authority.


Well, until you can provide a source that says a fetus isn't a baby, you
have no rebuttal.
End of story.
I have a source, and I also have a quote by a surgeon that calls the fetus a
baby.

Okay, but I challenge you to provide a source that says a fetus isn't
a trout either.
.
User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 11:28:31 AM
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:10:03 -0400, Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net>
wrote:

In article <ve-dnWURxf4OnxbdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420041654481158%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <4cGdnRkUJvuTLBfdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her

support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions

were

I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane

person

supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need

to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people

pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American

Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal

attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American

Heritage

creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes

sense.

You are a putz.


So....
You asked who, I told you. You have no rebuttal


I thought it was obvious. I guess not. American Heritage lacks
authority.


Well, until you can provide a source that says a fetus isn't a baby, you
have no rebuttal.
End of story.
I have a source, and I also have a quote by a surgeon that calls the fetus a
baby.


Okay, but I challenge you to provide a source that says a fetus isn't
a trout either.

His 'source' is just as authoritative on this as the one that says a
baby is a bun.
IOW, it's not, but Bobby will continue to harp on this because he
believes that boring everybody to death with his repeated nonsense is
the same as proving a point.
---
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
- Richard Dawkins
.


User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 07:22:06 PM
In article <ve-dnWURxf4OnxbdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420041654481158%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <4cGdnRkUJvuTLBfdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her

support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions

were

I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane

person

supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need

to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people

pro-slavers,

you

deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American

Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal

attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American

Heritage

creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes

sense.

You are a putz.


So....
You asked who, I told you. You have no rebuttal


I thought it was obvious. I guess not. American Heritage lacks
authority.


Well, until you can provide a source that says a fetus isn't a baby, you
have no rebuttal.
End of story.

Except that you don't decide that, moron.

I have a source, and I also have a quote by a surgeon that calls the fetus a
baby.

Who cares about what a pro-life surgeon thinks?
Webster¹s Dictionary
1. ba·by
€ (noun) [ba·bies]
­ very young child
€ (verb) [ba·bied; ba·bied; ba·by·ing; ba·bies]
­ pamper
€ ba·by (adjective)
€ ba·by·hood (noun)
€ ba·by·ish (adjective)
.




User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 25 Apr 2004 08:09:11 AM
In article <240420040742174563%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>,
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:

In article <e96dnc9ke4PG_hfdRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support

the

pro-death movement would cause me to reflect on my opinions were I

to

be a baby killer supporter.


There is no such thing as a "pro-death movement" and no sane person
supports the killing of babies. Why is it you pro-slavers need to

resort

to such lies in order to support your anti-choice views?



As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Abortion does kill babies, babies as defined by the American Heritage.


Says who? LOL! You are a putz.


says the American Heritage.
Of course you have no rebuttal other than to make it a personal attack.


So, American Heritage has made the determination that American Heritage
creates new definitions to well established words. Sure - makes sense.
You are a putz.

American heritage supports pro-choice, but why should Ospry mess with
such little details as that?
.




User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 24 Apr 2004 12:51:54 AM
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

As long as YOU resort to such lies as calling people pro-slavers, you
deserve to be called pro-death.
No sane person supports slavery

Who ever said you were sane?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



User: "MyTwoAngels"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 22 Apr 2004 06:40:46 AM
On 21 Apr 2004 21:57:42 -0700,
(Jon Young)
wrote:
[...]

Why am I not suprised? Just the fact that people like her support the
pro-death movement...

If Jane Fonda supports Pro-Life, then she does support the pro-Death
movement.
.


User: "Greg Bernath"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 21 Apr 2004 06:50:06 PM
(Papa Jack) wrote:

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750

Jane Fonda apologized for her actions.
Have you apologized for viciously attacking Clinton when he attacked
Osama? Just like Jane Fonda, you gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Do
you have any regrets about that? Or, like most conservatives, are you
still openly proud of defending Osama?
Once you apologize for that, you'll have achieved moral parity with
Jane Fonda. Until then, you're way below her.
Greg Bernath
.
User: "TerryG"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 22 Apr 2004 08:27:37 AM
Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<6b1e80lf5quoul826atikteg0hna44vk0o@4ax.com>...

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750


Jane Fonda apologized for her actions.

Have you apologized for viciously attacking Clinton when he attacked
Osama? Just like Jane Fonda, you gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Do
you have any regrets about that? Or, like most conservatives, are you
still openly proud of defending Osama?

Once you apologize for that, you'll have achieved moral parity with
Jane Fonda. Until then, you're way below her.

Greg Bernath

Perhaps you can explain to the world how Clinton "attacked Osama" bin
Laden. Where did this attack take place and why does bin Laden seem
to still be alive?
.
User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 22 Apr 2004 05:42:40 PM
In article <7322e1ab.0404220527.13db6e14@posting.google.com>,
(TerryG) wrote:

Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<6b1e80lf5quoul826atikteg0hna44vk0o@4ax.com>...

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750


Jane Fonda apologized for her actions.

Have you apologized for viciously attacking Clinton when he attacked
Osama? Just like Jane Fonda, you gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Do
you have any regrets about that? Or, like most conservatives, are you
still openly proud of defending Osama?

Once you apologize for that, you'll have achieved moral parity with
Jane Fonda. Until then, you're way below her.

Greg Bernath


Perhaps you can explain to the world how Clinton "attacked Osama" bin
Laden. Where did this attack take place and why does bin Laden seem
to still be alive?

As I recall, Clinton attempted to launch a cruise missile at a base
Osama had in the Sudan or Afghanistan, but he was a bit too late.
.
User: "TerryG"

Title: Re: Hanoi Jane Gives 13 Million 23 Apr 2004 07:37:44 AM
Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<srhi-C2C110.18424022042004@news-60.giganews.com>...

In article <7322e1ab.0404220527.13db6e14@posting.google.com>,
ritpg@hotmail.com (TerryG) wrote:

Greg Bernath <gregignoresthis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<6b1e80lf5quoul826atikteg0hna44vk0o@4ax.com>...

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:

Fonda, Jane $13,085,750


Jane Fonda apologized for her actions.

Have you apologized for viciously attacking Clinton when he attacked
Osama? Just like Jane Fonda, you gave aid and comfort to the enemy. Do
you have any regrets about that? Or, like most conservatives, are you
still openly proud of defending Osama?

Once you apologize for that, you'll have achieved moral parity with
Jane Fonda. Until then, you're way below her.

Greg Bernath


Perhaps you can explain to the world how Clinton "attacked Osama" bin
Laden. Where did this attack take place and why does bin Laden seem
to still be alive?


As I recall, Clinton attempted to launch a cruise missile at a base
Osama had in the Sudan or Afghanistan, but he was a bit too late.

Oh you mean the aspirin factory. The one that turned out to be an
aspirin factory. And no one was supposed to point out that it was
nothing but an aspirin factory??? Sorry. That's not how it works.
It was a pathetic attempt to make up for the fact that Clinton had bin
Laden handed to him by the Sudanese on a silver platter and he was too
preoccupied to act at the right time.
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