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User: "Osprey"
Date: 21 Apr 2005 09:19:26 AM
Object: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup.
Yes, Hate Groups do exist in this newsgroup, and it is important to be able
to identify them and identify the stage they are in, in regards to the Hate
Model.
Empirical observations show that hate groups go through seven (7) stages in
the hate process. Haters, if unimpeded, pass through these seven successive
stages without skipping a stage. In fact, the first four stages, haters
vocalize their beliefs. In the last three stages, haters act on their
beliefs. A transition period exist between vocalizing and acting out. In
this transition period, violence seperates hard-core haters from rhetorical
haters.
In my observations, I have identifed there is a hate group in this
newsgroup. They are rhetorical haters, and I am going to identify them and
explain the stages.
First some notes, then my observations. I will continue to post this from
time to time to help others who truly wish to discuss the issues and not get
involved in their hate, so they too can identify and recognize hate.
They don't understand that. They immediately start labeling people and
saying things about people with different opinions that simply are not true.
Lovin' Spoonful has demonstrated a deep rooted hatred towards men and she
has no problem lying about people. Others follow right along with her,
knowing her comments are wrong. Patrick and Barnes are two of them. * US *,
that boy is seriously mentally handicapped. They are absolutely incapable
of holding a discussion on the issues without lying about someone or what
they believe in or stand for.
I think abortion is wrong, but I have NEVER nor would I EVER try to intefere
with another woman's choice. I don't hate women, I don't try to control
anyone. But yet, these wacko's seem to think it's o.k. to throw out such
untrue claims, and when you ask them to support them...of course they can't.
They are insecure and act out on their insecurities. People like Barnes,
Humphrey, * US *, Fischer, Keegan, Krisblake, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty,
Rickie..and some others..fall into the category of those who fit the
description of hate.
Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The more
insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing a family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu to life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people.
Many insecure people feel a sense of self-worth by relegating a person or
group of people to a lower status.
The people I mentioned above, fit the bill for haters.
Isn't it pathetic how low these people try to stoop.
This is why I say they are an element of hate.
Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most of
these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages of the
seven stages of a hate group.
Stage 1: The haters gather
They use this newsgroup to gather.
They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do.
Irrational haters seldom hate alone.
By gathering, it bolsters a sense of self-worth and ast the same time,
prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities.
You will note that people like Pr0r3p, Barnes, Humphrey, Krisblake, Keegan,
Fischer, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty, Rickie, * US *, and there are some others,
feed off of each other.
Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which
enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the object of
their hate.
You will note the above mentioned individuals feed off of each other. You
should also notice that the moment the object of their hate, say myself for
example, is able to communicate positively with another user in the
newsgroup, the above mentioned will try to intervene and break it apart.
Barnes is notorious for that action.
State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. By
verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image,
as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.
Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.
Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose.
There are three other stages in the Hate Model; however, the above
individuals have not crossed to those stages yet, meaning they are what is
considered to be an immature hate group.
The other stages are..
Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons
Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons
Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target
Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous. Right
now, they are immature; however, they still remain full of hate and could
possibly go to stage 5.
It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage they
are in.
.

User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 12:37:20 PM
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com...

Yes, Hate Groups do exist in this newsgroup, and it is important to be
able to identify them and identify the stage they are in, in regards to
the Hate Model.

Empirical observations show that hate groups go through seven (7) stages
in the hate process. Haters, if unimpeded, pass through these seven
successive stages without skipping a stage. In fact, the first four
stages, haters vocalize their beliefs. In the last three stages, haters
act on their beliefs. A transition period exist between vocalizing and
acting out. In this transition period, violence seperates hard-core
haters from rhetorical haters.

In my observations, I have identifed there is a hate group in this
newsgroup. They are rhetorical haters, and I am going to identify them
and explain the stages.

First some notes, then my observations. I will continue to post this from
time to time to help others who truly wish to discuss the issues and not
get involved in their hate, so they too can identify and recognize hate.


They don't understand that. They immediately start labeling people and
saying things about people with different opinions that simply are not
true.

Lovin' Spoonful has demonstrated a deep rooted hatred towards men and she
has no problem lying about people. Others follow right along with her,
knowing her comments are wrong. Patrick and Barnes are two of them. * US
*,
that boy is seriously mentally handicapped. They are absolutely incapable
of holding a discussion on the issues without lying about someone or what
they believe in or stand for.

I think abortion is wrong, but I have NEVER nor would I EVER try to
intefere
with another woman's choice. I don't hate women, I don't try to control
anyone. But yet, these wacko's seem to think it's o.k. to throw out such
untrue claims, and when you ask them to support them...of course they
can't.

They are insecure and act out on their insecurities. People like Barnes,
Humphrey, * US *, Fischer, Keegan, Krisblake, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty,
Rickie..and some others..fall into the category of those who fit the
description of hate.

Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The more
insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people
concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing a
family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu to
life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people.

Many insecure people feel a sense of self-worth by relegating a person or
group of people to a lower status.

The people I mentioned above, fit the bill for haters.




Isn't it pathetic how low these people try to stoop.
This is why I say they are an element of hate.

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most of
these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages of the
seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather
They use this newsgroup to gather.
They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as they do.
Irrational haters seldom hate alone.
By gathering, it bolsters a sense of self-worth and ast the same time,
prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities.
You will note that people like Pr0r3p, Barnes, Humphrey, Krisblake,
Keegan, Fischer, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty, Rickie, * US *, and there are
some others, feed off of each other.

Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.
You will note the above mentioned individuals feed off of each other. You
should also notice that the moment the object of their hate, say myself
for example, is able to communicate positively with another user in the
newsgroup, the above mentioned will try to intervene and break it apart.
Barnes is notorious for that action.

State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause.
By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their
self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.

Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.
Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose.

There are three other stages in the Hate Model; however, the above
individuals have not crossed to those stages yet, meaning they are what is
considered to be an immature hate group.

The other stages are..

Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons

Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons

Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous. Right
now, they are immature; however, they still remain full of hate and could
possibly go to stage 5.

It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage they
are in.

Well said osprey. You are the most well reasoned person here that I disagree
with on abortion with, thus far.
.
User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 07:55:23 PM
Reasoned Insanity wrote:

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com...

Yes, Hate Groups do exist in this newsgroup, and it is important to

be

able to identify them and identify the stage they are in, in

regards to

the Hate Model.

Empirical observations show that hate groups go through seven (7)

stages

in the hate process. Haters, if unimpeded, pass through these seven
successive stages without skipping a stage. In fact, the first four
stages, haters vocalize their beliefs. In the last three stages,

haters

act on their beliefs. A transition period exist between vocalizing

and

acting out. In this transition period, violence seperates

hard-core

haters from rhetorical haters.

In my observations, I have identifed there is a hate group in this
newsgroup. They are rhetorical haters, and I am going to identify

them

and explain the stages.

First some notes, then my observations. I will continue to post

this from

time to time to help others who truly wish to discuss the issues

and not

get involved in their hate, so they too can identify and recognize

hate.



They don't understand that. They immediately start labeling people

and

saying things about people with different opinions that simply are

not

true.

Lovin' Spoonful has demonstrated a deep rooted hatred towards men

and she

has no problem lying about people. Others follow right along with

her,

knowing her comments are wrong. Patrick and Barnes are two of them.

* US

*,
that boy is seriously mentally handicapped. They are absolutely

incapable

of holding a discussion on the issues without lying about someone

or what

they believe in or stand for.

I think abortion is wrong, but I have NEVER nor would I EVER try to
intefere
with another woman's choice. I don't hate women, I don't try to

control

anyone. But yet, these wacko's seem to think it's o.k. to throw

out such

untrue claims, and when you ask them to support them...of course

they

can't.

They are insecure and act out on their insecurities. People like

Barnes,

Humphrey, * US *, Fischer, Keegan, Krisblake, Lovin' Spoonful,

Lefty,

Rickie..and some others..fall into the category of those who fit

the

description of hate.

Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The

more

insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people
concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing

a

family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu

to

life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure

people.


Many insecure people feel a sense of self-worth by relegating a

person or

group of people to a lower status.

The people I mentioned above, fit the bill for haters.




Isn't it pathetic how low these people try to stoop.
This is why I say they are an element of hate.

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find

most of

these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages

of the

seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather
They use this newsgroup to gather.
They feel compelled, almost driven, to entreat others to hate as

they do.

Irrational haters seldom hate alone.
By gathering, it bolsters a sense of self-worth and ast the same

time,

prevents introspection, which reveals personal insecurities.
You will note that people like Pr0r3p, Barnes, Humphrey, Krisblake,
Keegan, Fischer, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty, Rickie, * US *, and there

are

some others, feed off of each other.

Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and

mythologies,

which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade

the

object of their hate.
You will note the above mentioned individuals feed off of each

other. You

should also notice that the moment the object of their hate, say

myself

for example, is able to communicate positively with another user in

the

newsgroup, the above mentioned will try to intervene and break it

apart.

Barnes is notorious for that action.

State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common

cause.

By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their
self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.

Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use

ever-increasing

degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of

agitation.

Taunts and offensive gestures serve this purpose.

There are three other stages in the Hate Model; however, the above
individuals have not crossed to those stages yet, meaning they are

what is

considered to be an immature hate group.

The other stages are..

Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons

Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons

Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.

Right

now, they are immature; however, they still remain full of hate and

could

possibly go to stage 5.

It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which

stage they

are in.



Well said osprey. You are the most well reasoned person here that I

disagree

with on abortion with, thus far.

Thanks,
I have no problem with people who disagree with me on an issue. You do
have the capability to discuss the issue without making it personal. We
agree to disagree. But isn't that what makes things interesting in
life? Isn't that how we grow? Isn't that how we continue to learn? If
everyone agreed all the time, imagine how far behind we would be.
I have truly given the issue of hate groups some thought. I did a
little research on this and found that many in this newsgroup do indeed
fit the profile of one who would be in a hate group. The only thing
that is seperating people like the ones I mentioned from mature hate
groups, is the fact they can not advance to stages 5, 6, or 7 in this
newsgroup. They are stuck at four. That doesn't mean that they don't
try to advance to the other stages though, outside of this newsgroup.
Some of them I have listed, I would not be at all surprised if they had
already.
When I read the report on hate groups through a source provided by the
F.B.I., they strongly emphasize recognizing the stages they are in.
This is how they know what to do to counter. If they can get to a
person in the early stages, chances are higher that they can help the
person not be a hater and become a better person in society. The
further advanced they are, or "mature" as the F.B.I. refers to this,
the more difficult it becomes of any chance of rehabilitation.
Most people join hate groups because they have absolutely nothing else
going for them. They are basically outcast within society and seek an
identity. They need to feel some self-worth and belonging. It is very
apparent in here, that the people I listed are doing just that. They
feed off of each other and work together to break apart any alliance
people may form, if they don't like those people.
It's disturbing to realize that hate groups can reside in even a
newsgroup, but the evidence clearly shows that they can.
.


User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 10:38:03 AM
In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most of
these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages of the
seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather

Like this:
http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies, which
enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the object of
their hate.

Like this:
http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause. By
verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their self-image,
as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.

Like this:
http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.

Like this:
http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons

Like this:
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0
81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons

Like this:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.

Like this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage they
are in.

Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.
.
User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marie-=C9lise_Martines?="

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 12:00:18 PM
On 2005-04-21 08:38:03 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> said:

In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most
of these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages
of the seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather


Like this:

http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.


Like this:

http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common
cause. By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance
their self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.


Like this:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.


Like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons


Like this:

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0
81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons


Like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.


Like this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage
they are in.


Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.

Nice! :•)
.
User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 01:43:54 PM
"Marie-Élise Martines" <martines@students.ucsd.edu> wrote in message
news:2005042110001875249%martines@studentsucsdedu...

On 2005-04-21 08:38:03 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> said:

In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most
of these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages
of the seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather


Like this:

http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.


Like this:

http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause.
By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their
self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.


Like this:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.


Like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons


Like this:

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0
81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons


Like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.


Like this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage
they are in.


Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.


Nice! :.)

Marie is demonstrating stage 2
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 08:46:52 PM
In article <APudnQKXks4-bvrfRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

"Marie-Élise Martines" <martines@students.ucsd.edu> wrote in message
news:2005042110001875249%martines@studentsucsdedu...

On 2005-04-21 08:38:03 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> said:

In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most
of these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages
of the seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather


Like this:

http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.


Like this:

http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common cause.
By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance their
self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.


Like this:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.


Like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons


Like this:

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0
81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons


Like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.


Like this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage
they are in.


Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.


Nice! :.)


Marie is demonstrating stage 2

What "symbols, rituals, and mytholog[y]" was she demonstrating. You
are even too stupid to make a good moron.
.


User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 08:46:52 PM
In article <2005042110001875249%martines@studentsucsdedu>, Marie-Élise
Martines <martines@students.ucsd.edu> wrote:

On 2005-04-21 08:38:03 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> said:

In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find most
of these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages
of the seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather


Like this:

http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.


Like this:

http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common
cause. By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters enhance
their self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next more
acrimonious stage.


Like this:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use ever-increasing
degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of agitation.


Like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons


Like this:

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0
81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons


Like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.


Like this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage
they are in.


Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.


Nice! :•)

I think he is correct. We have a hate group in the Republican PArty.
.

User: "osprey"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 07:45:44 PM
Marie-=C9lise Martines wrote:

On 2005-04-21 08:38:03 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>

said:


In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find

most

of these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four

stages

of the seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather


Like this:

http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and

mythologies,

which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade

the

object of their hate.


Like this:

http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common
cause. By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters

enhance

their self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next

more

acrimonious stage.


Like this:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use

ever-increasing

degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of

agitation.


Like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons


Like this:


<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=3D/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0

81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons


Like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are

dangerous.


Like this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which

stage

they are in.


Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.


Nice! :=B7)

Marie gives good example of stage 1 and 2
She is gathering to identify herself with Barnes. She shows a sign of
approval, which is a part of stage 2.
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhance the member's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.
If there was ever a good example of a hate group, it would include
people like you and Barnes...especially Barnes. And several others I
have identified as well.
Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The more
insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people
concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing a
family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu to
life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 08:46:53 PM
In article <1114130744.133847.279040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Marie-Élise Martines wrote:

On 2005-04-21 08:38:03 -0700, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>

said:


In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find

most

of these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four

stages

of the seven stages of a hate group.

Stage 1: The haters gather


Like this:

http://www.2004nycgop.org/


Stage 2: The Hate Group defines itself
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and

mythologies,

which enhanc the meember's status and, at the same time, degrade

the

object of their hate.


Like this:

http://www.meckgop.com/elephant.html


State 3: The Hate Group Disparages the Target
Hate is the glue that binds haters to one another and to a common
cause. By verbally debasing the object of their hate, haters

enhance

their self-image, as well as their group status.
After constant verbal denigration, haters progress to the next

more

acrimonious stage.


Like this:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/ann_coulter.htm


Stage 4: The Hate Group Taunts the Target
Hate, by its nature, changes incrementally. Haters use

ever-increasing

degress of rhetoric and violence to maintain high levels of

agitation.


Like this:

http://www.foxnews.com/


Stage 5: The Hate Group Attacks the Target Without Weapons


Like this:


<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/02/national/w0

81453S57.DTL>


Stage 6: The Hate Group Attacks the Target with Weapons


Like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/13/eric.rudolph/index.html


Stage 7: The Hate Group Destroys the Target

Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are

dangerous.


Like this:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which

stage

they are in.


Agreed. Republicans are a hate group.


Nice! :·)


Marie gives good example of stage 1 and 2

She is gathering to identify herself with Barnes. She shows a sign of
approval, which is a part of stage 2.
Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, and mythologies,
which enhance the member's status and, at the same time, degrade the
object of their hate.

What symbols, rituals, and mythologies was she demonstrating? Is this
the new propaganda? If you agree with someone you belong to a hate
group? LOL! Republicans...



If there was ever a good example of a hate group, it would include
people like you and Barnes...especially Barnes. And several others I
have identified as well.

Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The more

insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people
concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing a
family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu to
life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people.

Now Osprey is an expert on hate groups. (Just like he is an expert on
the law, politics, and women.)
.
User: "Pr0r3p"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 09:17:23 PM
David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1114130744.133847.279040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:


Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The

more


insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people
concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing

a

family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu

to

life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure

people.


Now Osprey is an expert on hate groups. (Just like he is an expert

on

the law, politics, and women.)

Him applying the definition of a hate group to a select few who post
here is like applying the definition of cruise ship to a rowboat. He's
an idiot, and continues to prove it on a daily basis.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 11:03:07 PM
In article <1114309043.793984.195900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Pr0r3p <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote:

David W. Barnes wrote:

In article <1114130744.133847.279040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:


Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The

more


insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people
concentrate
on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing

a

family,
and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu

to

life.
Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure

people.


Now Osprey is an expert on hate groups. (Just like he is an expert

on

the law, politics, and women.)


Him applying the definition of a hate group to a select few who post
here is like applying the definition of cruise ship to a rowboat. He's
an idiot, and continues to prove it on a daily basis.

And even he must know it by now.
.






User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 09:42:22 AM
In article <1q-dnepYa94IKPrfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Yes, Hate Groups do exist in this newsgroup, and it is important to be able
to identify them

Look in the mirror, Spud.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 21 Apr 2005 11:22:17 AM
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Yes, Hate Groups do exist in this newsgroup, and it is important to be able
to identify them and identify the stage they are in, in regards to the Hate
Model.

Empirical observations show that hate groups go through seven (7) stages in
the hate process. Haters, if unimpeded, pass through these seven successive
stages without skipping a stage. In fact, the first four stages, haters
vocalize their beliefs. In the last three stages, haters act on their
beliefs. A transition period exist between vocalizing and acting out. In
this transition period, violence seperates hard-core haters from rhetorical
haters.

And let's see if any of that applies to Heishman.

In my observations, I have identifed there is a hate group in this
newsgroup. They are rhetorical haters, and I am going to identify them and
explain the stages.

"haters vocalize their beliefs"

First some notes, then my observations. I will continue to post this from
time to time to help others who truly wish to discuss the issues and not get
involved in their hate, so they too can identify and recognize hate.


They don't understand that. They immediately start labeling people and
saying things about people with different opinions that simply are not true.

Such as when you call people rapists and whores and criminals?
Such as when you label people "liberals" and "haters"?

Lovin' Spoonful has demonstrated a deep rooted hatred towards men and she
has no problem lying about people. Others follow right along with her,
knowing her comments are wrong. Patrick and Barnes are two of them. * US *,
that boy is seriously mentally handicapped. They are absolutely incapable
of holding a discussion on the issues without lying about someone or what
they believe in or stand for.

And yet we see from Heishman only hate and no evidence.

I think abortion is wrong, but I have NEVER nor would I EVER try to intefere
with another woman's choice. I don't hate women, I don't try to control
anyone. But yet, these wacko's seem to think it's o.k. to throw out such
untrue claims, and when you ask them to support them...of course they can't.

They are insecure and act out on their insecurities. People like Barnes,
Humphrey, * US *, Fischer, Keegan, Krisblake, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty,
Rickie..and some others..fall into the category of those who fit the
description of hate.

"They immediately start labeling people and saying things about people
with different opinions that simply are not true."
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Pr0r3p"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 09:14:29 PM
Osprey wrote:

Yes, Hate Groups do exist in this newsgroup, and it is important to

be able

to identify them and identify the stage they are in, in regards to

the Hate

Model.

Empirical observations show that hate groups go through seven (7)

stages in

the hate process. Haters, if unimpeded, pass through these seven

successive

stages without skipping a stage. In fact, the first four stages,

haters

vocalize their beliefs. In the last three stages, haters act on

their

beliefs. A transition period exist between vocalizing and acting

out. In

this transition period, violence seperates hard-core haters from

rhetorical

haters.

Stealing material without giving credit to it's proper authors is
considered ILLEGAL.


In my observations, I have identifed there is a hate group in this
newsgroup. They are rhetorical haters, and I am going to identify

them and

explain the stages.

Asspry must be taking a class in psychology, or some other related
field. Everytime he takes a new class, he thinks he's an expert in
that field.


First some notes, then my observations. I will continue to post this

from

time to time to help others who truly wish to discuss the issues and

not get

involved in their hate, so they too can identify and recognize hate.


They don't understand that. They immediately start labeling people

and

saying things about people with different opinions that simply are

not true.
Like, stating that someone has been convicted of a crime you know they
haven't been convicted of? Oh, wait, that was you, LIAR.


Lovin' Spoonful has demonstrated a deep rooted hatred towards men and

she

has no problem lying about people. Others follow right along with

her,

knowing her comments are wrong. Patrick and Barnes are two of them.

* US *,

that boy is seriously mentally handicapped. They are absolutely

incapable

of holding a discussion on the issues without lying about someone or

what

they believe in or stand for.

I think abortion is wrong, but I have NEVER nor would I EVER try to

intefere

with another woman's choice. I don't hate women, I don't try to

control

anyone. But yet, these wacko's seem to think it's o.k. to throw out

such

untrue claims, and when you ask them to support them...of course they

can't.
Right from the mouth of the biggest liar in this newsgroup who rarely,
if ever, successfully defends his claims.


They are insecure and act out on their insecurities. People like

Barnes,

Humphrey, * US *, Fischer, Keegan, Krisblake, Lovin' Spoonful, Lefty,
Rickie..and some others..fall into the category of those who fit the
description of hate.

Both rational and irrational hate mask personal insecurities. The

more

insecure a person feels, the larger the hate mask. Most people

concentrate

on the important issues in life, such as earning a living, rearing a

family,

and achieving personal goals. These persuits give meaning and valu

to life.

Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure

people.


Many insecure people feel a sense of self-worth by relegating a

person or

group of people to a lower status.

See, Asspry thinks he's an expert now. This truely is pathetic.


The people I mentioned above, fit the bill for haters.




Isn't it pathetic how low these people try to stoop.
This is why I say they are an element of hate.

Let's evaluate the seven stages of a hate group, and you will find

most of

these people such as Pr0r3p fit into at least the first four stages

of the

seven stages of a hate group.

LOL!!!! I find it amazing that Asspry claims I'm in his kill file, but
now he claims to know so much about me. As usual, he opens his mouth
and sticks his foot right in it. Way to go Asspry - one of your
statements has to be a lie because the statements themselves are
mutually exclusive. You can't know as much about me as you claim if
I'm in your kill file and you're not seeing my postings. Either way,
you've proven yourself to be a liar, AGAIN.
<snip plaguarized definitions>


Hate Groups, such as the above mentioned individuals are dangerous.

Right

now, they are immature; however, they still remain full of hate and

could

possibly go to stage 5.

Ahhh, finally we get to the meat of the posting. Asspry is so
desperate that he sinks to a new level of trying to use fear as a way
of gaining support. Notice how he says "they still remain full of hate
and could possibly go to stage 5". It's the typical right wing whacko
fear tactic, but Asspry's attempt to tie people in this newsgroup who
disagree with him into a "hate group" is patent *****, and he knows
it. It didn't work when he attempted to support an illegal war using
the fear tactic (you know, Saddam MAY have had weapons and won't
hesitate to use them) and it's not going to work now. He's got a
definition of "hate group" and is twisting it like he does with all
definitions to fit somewhere it doesn't belong.
Also, it's obvious that Asspry can't grasp the concept that the people
he has targeted in this posting (does that make him a hate
group/person?) don't necessarily hate him as a person like his stolen
definition of hate groups necessitates, but rather we hate his
stupidity, his hypocrisy and most importantly, his LYING. I don't
remember anyone saying that they hated _him_, in fact some of those who
he's targeted have said that they feel sorry for him.


It's important to recognize the seven stages and identify which stage

they

are in.

None of which Asspry is an expert as he would like everyone to believe.
Besides, I want to know who has the gun stuck to his head and is making
him continue to read these postings when he finds them so offensive.
.

User: "Johnny"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 08:37:43 AM
Yep. Pro-Choice is a HATE GROUP.
They hate babies, life, children, faith, family, law, justice, fidelity, and
any person who does not agree with them.
Basically, Pro-Choicers hate people other than themselves.
.
User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 02:20:51 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

Yep. Pro-Choice is a HATE GROUP.

Really? I guess that's why you rabidly hate anything to do with people that
are pro-choice.

They hate babies, life, children, faith, family, law, justice, fidelity, and
any person who does not agree with them.

I guess that's why I have web pics up of our childen and grandchildren --
because Daleand I have been pro-choice for the last 35 years or so?

Basically, Pro-Choicers hate people other than themselves.

....says the Anderson village idiot who hates people not as insane as himself.
Thanks for clearing that up.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Chicago 1 (OT) (April 21)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, April 23 vs. Chicago, 7:05 (Game 3)
.

User: "Reasoned Insanity"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 06:41:45 PM
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:nasae.116909$wo1.91007@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

Yep. Pro-Choice is a HATE GROUP.
They hate babies, life, children, faith, family, law, justice, fidelity,
and any person who does not agree with them.
Basically, Pro-Choicers hate people other than themselves.

Actually I have to disagree with your comment Johnny. Osprey seems to be
prochoice, yet he doesn't seem to be the hater that you describe. Maybe I'm
wrong but thus far I don't think so.
.
User: "David W. Barnes"

Title: Re: Hate Groups - Yes, they do exist in this newsgroup. 23 Apr 2005 08:04:23 PM
In article <q1Bae.22949$up2.18301@okepread01>, Reasoned Insanity
<mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:nasae.116909$wo1.91007@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

Yep. Pro-Choice is a HATE GROUP.
They hate babies, life, children, faith, family, law, justice, fidelity,
and any person who does not agree with them.
Basically, Pro-Choicers hate people other than themselves.


Actually I have to disagree with your comment Johnny. Osprey seems to be
prochoice, yet he doesn't seem to be the hater that you describe.

Osprey is "pro-life."

Maybe I'm
wrong but thus far I don't think so.

You are wrong. Osprey opposes abortion and thinks it should be made
illegal (at least at the later stages). That means he falls into the
"pro-life" category along with the rest of a small fraction of the U.S.
.




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