Ray Fischer wrote:

Rich <someone@someplace.not> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Can anyone please tell me which amendment of the U.S. Constitution
specifically guarantees a woman's 'right to abortion'?

The 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th, and 14th.

Can you show me where?

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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,

Thus, the state is denied the power to sieze the use of the woman's
body.

No, this refers to possessions.

effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time
of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to
be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal
case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law;

Thus the woman may not be denied her liberty.

None of the amendments say "woman".

nor shall private property be taken for
public use,

Thus, the state may not take the use of her body.

Again, possessions. Not that the feds obey this one today.

without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and
public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime
shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained
by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for
obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his
defense.

If she committed a crime for which she is to be punished with forced
servitude then there must be a trial.

No amendment says "she". The ERA, if enacted, would be the first.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and
unusual punishments inflicted.

Courts have already ruled that punishment much less severe than
childbirth are cruel and/or unusual.

Childbirth is not at issue, nor is it always "severe", nor is it a punishment,
and if it were it would be self-inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed
to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The people retain the right to get abortions.

Not quite, since abortion is not and never was a right, it could not be
referred to by this amendment.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to
the people.

Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Forcing the woman's servitude is not permitted.

I guess it's fitting punishment for fatherhood only, eh?

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state
wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws.

The state may not deprive the woman of her liberty.

Abortion was never a "privileges or immunit[y] of citizens of the United States"
and is not now. What it is is one SC decision, one which lists none of these
amendments, for good reason, they have nothing to do with abortion.

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I don't see anything about abortion, can you help me out?

No. You're too stupid.

You think this a convincing argument?

Cheers,

Rich

Ray Fischer wrote:

Rich <someone@someplace.not> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Can anyone please tell me which amendment of the U.S. Constitution
specifically guarantees a woman's 'right to abortion'?

The 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 13th, and 14th.

Can you show me where?

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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,

Thus, the state is denied the power to sieze the use of the woman's
body.

No, this refers to possessions.

effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time
of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to
be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal
case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law;

Thus the woman may not be denied her liberty.

None of the amendments say "woman".

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and
public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime
shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained
by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be
confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for
obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his
defense.

If she committed a crime for which she is to be punished with forced
servitude then there must be a trial.

No amendment says "she".

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and
unusual punishments inflicted.

Courts have already ruled that punishment much less severe than
childbirth are cruel and/or unusual.

Childbirth is not at issue,

nor is it always "severe",

nor is it a punishment,

and if it were it would be self-inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed
to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The people retain the right to get abortions.

Not quite, since abortion is not and never was a right,

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to
the people.

Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for
crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Forcing the woman's servitude is not permitted.

I guess it's fitting punishment for fatherhood only, eh?

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state
wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge
the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any
state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
laws.

The state may not deprive the woman of her liberty.

Abortion was never a "privileges or immunit[y] of citizens of the United States"

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I don't see anything about abortion, can you help me out?

No. You're too stupid.

You think this a convincing argument?

On 23 May 2007 09:08:20 -0500, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:

"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:

"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:1fk753pur34opepaivvp2ecegf0b7a3u27@4ax.com...

On 22 May 2007 21:52:45 -0700, J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Can anyone please tell me which amendment of the U.S. Constitution
specifically guarantees a woman's 'right to abortion'?

Can you tell us which amendment specifically gives you the right to
stop a woman from having an abortion?

All of them and the articles, too.

Present THAT to the Anderson County Court, and see how soon your psychiatric
evaluation is...

I suspect that his criminal trial will be his sanity hearing, all
rolled into one. Save the taxpayers some money at trial, and in
prison if they give him the right cell mate.