Science > Abortion > Hey "Osprey" : DNA "proves" he wasn't "an innocent man"
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New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
The finding was a stunning blow to a lay minister who for nearly 18
years argued for Coleman's innocence, and it vindicated the prosecutors
who won Coleman's conviction in 1982 and the governor, L. Douglas
Wilder, who allowed his execution to proceed 10 years later.
"The confirmation that Roger Coleman's DNA was present reaffirms the
verdict and the sanction," said Gov. Mark Warner, who ordered the test
last week. It was the first time that a governor had ordered a DNA test
involving an executed person.
The testing was closely watched across the nation because of the belief
that it would provide powerful momentum to death penalty abolitionists
if it were to prove that an innocent man had been put to death.
Yet even after Thursday's announcement, critics of capital punishment
said Warner's decision set an important precedent that might encourage
other governors, judges and prosecutors to allow post-execution DNA
analysis in disputed capital punishment cases.
"The real issue is not whether one man was in fact guilty or innocent,
it's rather that he set the example for what the other 49 governors
should do on the hundreds of cases where DNA material still exists from
people who have been executed," said Peter Neufeld, co-director of the
Innocence Project, a legal clinic that has helped exonerate 172 inmates,
often through DNA tests.
Supporters of the death penalty said the test was also significant
because it proved that the criminal justice system had worked, and they
predicted that the confirmation of Coleman's guilt would undermine
future efforts to exonerate death row inmates.
"Once again, we see that once you cut through the nonsense, the jury got
it right," said Michael Paranzino, co-founder of Throw Away the Key, a
group based in Maryland that supports capital punishment.
Nevertheless, Paranzino said he endorsed Warner's decision to order the
new test, saying he thought such reviews would consistently prove the
guilt of executed murderers and thus build public confidence in capital
punishment.
Coleman, a coal miner, was convicted of raping and murdering Wanda
McCoy, the 19-year-old sister of his wife, in the rural southwestern
Virginia town of Grundy in 1981.
In 1988, James McCloskey, a divinity school graduate and founder of
Centurion Ministries Inc., a group based in Princeton, N.J., that
advocates for inmates it considers innocent, took up Coleman's case and
spent four years reinvestigating it.
On Thursday, McCloskey, whose work has exonerated two death row inmates,
called the results "a kick in the stomach" and expressed dismay that
Coleman had so successfully deceived him.
"Our search for facts can delude us into thinking that what we have
found is gold, only to discover that it is in fact fool's gold,"
McCloskey said.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/13/MNGKUGMUGS1.DTL
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13 Jan 2006 01:48:35 PM |
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"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
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New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
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| User: "osprey" |
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13 Jan 2006 03:01:36 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
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New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
I have worked death row, my opinion is biased. I can understand the argument
from both sides. Society will determine if they want the death penalty or
not, and from all indications society is starting to turn against the death
penalty. Which wouldn't be the first time this has happened, it's like the
pendulum.
I would like to say that in this case, George was the one who started making
the big deal out of this. He jumped to conclusions, which isn't unusual for
George. I am sure he will be silent on this, as he looks like the fool now
for making it an issue to begin with.
What is interesting is George tends to make every issue a "political" issue,
and when he started yapping about this I quickly pointed out that the Gov.
of that state is a Democrat. He was silenced.
It's interesting how they quickly turn their heads when they see it's
someone from their own party who is allowing the death penalty to continue.
Regardless, in this case it appears he was the guilty person and citizens
and jury elected death. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Like I
said, I worked death row and I have seen things that have changed and/or
swayed my opinion.
I am probably more neutral now on the issue than I once was.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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14 Jan 2006 10:54:20 AM |
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In article <OLydnXmom9abiFXeRVn-vg@comcast.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
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New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
I have worked death row, my opinion is biased. I can understand the argument
from both sides. Society will determine if they want the death penalty or
not, and from all indications society is starting to turn against the death
penalty. Which wouldn't be the first time this has happened, it's like the
pendulum.
I would like to say that in this case, George was the one who started making
the big deal out of this. He jumped to conclusions, which isn't unusual for
George. I am sure he will be silent on this, as he looks like the fool now
for making it an issue to begin with.
What is interesting is George tends to make every issue a "political" issue,
and when he started yapping about this I quickly pointed out that the Gov.
of that state is a Democrat. He was silenced.
What is interesting is that you have, once again, proven you can't go
up against those who kick your *****. Now it is George.
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| User: "George" |
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13 Jan 2006 04:29:18 PM |
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On 2006-01-13 13:01:36 -0800, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> said:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
news:efPxf.6595$ZA5.4662@fed1read05...
New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
I have worked death row, my opinion is biased.
Like everyone elses.
I can understand the argument from both sides.
You said you were biased. How do you get through life being an idiot?
Society will determine if they want the death penalty or not, and from
all indications society is starting to turn against the death penalty.
Which wouldn't be the first time this has happened, it's like the
pendulum.
Deep
I would like to say that in this case, George was the one who started
making the big deal out of this. He jumped to conclusions, which isn't
unusual for George. I am sure he will be silent on this, as he looks
like the fool now for making it an issue to begin with.
What is interesting is George tends to make every issue a "political"
issue, and when he started yapping about this I quickly pointed out
that the Gov. of that state is a Democrat. He was silenced.
Untrue.
It's interesting how they quickly turn their heads when they see it's
someone from their own party who is allowing the death penalty to
continue.
You blamed the Democrat - now it turns out he was right.
That still doesn't undermine my point - the death penalty is barbaric
and should be abolished. Ironically, the pro-life love it.
Regardless, in this case it appears he was the guilty person and
citizens and jury elected death. Everyone is entitled to their own
opinion. Like I said, I worked death row and I have seen things that
have changed and/or swayed my opinion.
I am probably more neutral now on the issue than I once was.
You said you were "biased." Make up that narrow mind of yours.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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13 Jan 2006 03:38:17 PM |
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osprey lied:
I
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
Actually, you lying ***** it was *YOU* who made the big deal about the
guy being executed by a Democratic governor and in reality it was the
Democratic governor who ordered the DNA tests.
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13 Jan 2006 03:44:52 PM |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<TPSdnZ4t2vqVmVXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
news:efPxf.6595$ZA5.4662@fed1read05...
New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
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| User: "J Young" |
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13 Jan 2006 10:57:53 PM |
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"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<TPSdnZ4t2vqVmVXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the
name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
Execution IS murder; no matter what reason you have for doing so. If prison
were truly prison, inmates would live a spartan, isolated existence. No
programs, no schooling, no visits, no letters or phonecalls, no commisary,
no recreation. Two meals that fill the FDA minimum requirements, emergency
medical care when necessary, a toilet and a blanket (sorry, no mattress).
Put someone in a setting like this for the rest of his life and you will
have punished him far greater than killing him. It would also reduce the
recidivism rate amongst inmates serving lesser time for lesser crimes.
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14 Jan 2006 12:26:50 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
Execution IS murder; no matter what reason you have for doing so.
Unless they're Muslims or homosexuals, right? No, wait, it's not
murder because they're not people, right?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "J Young" |
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14 Jan 2006 03:22:02 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
Execution IS murder; no matter what reason you have for doing so.
Unless they're Muslims or homosexuals, right? No, wait, it's not
murder because they're not people, right?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals. I oppose
same-sex marriage, same-sex adoption, and don't believe that gay men should
be alone with teenage boys in outdoor or locker-room settings. If you want
to be equal than you take the bad with the good; a straight male does not
supervise girls locker-rooms nor is he the sole supervisor on an outdoor
camping trip.That is not exactly wishing anyone death.
America did not start this war. Few wars are won without casualties; that's
a reality. I'd rather see them dead than us. That makes me a bad guy?
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| User: "Adam H." |
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14 Jan 2006 03:42:18 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:22:02 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
Execution IS murder; no matter what reason you have for doing so.
Unless they're Muslims or homosexuals, right? No, wait, it's not
murder because they're not people, right?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
That's a lie. You support denying them their rights.
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I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "J Young" |
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15 Jan 2006 10:18:29 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:22:02 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
That's a lie. You support denying them their rights.
That doesn't interpret as an endorsement of death, which is what Ray claimed
I championed.
I do not support denying homos their civil rights, what I oppose is the
granting of special rights to any one group of people.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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15 Jan 2006 10:29:13 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:18:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:22:02 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
That's a lie. You support denying them their rights.
That doesn't interpret as an endorsement of death, which is what Ray claimed
I championed.
I do not support denying homos their civil rights, what I oppose is the
granting of special rights to any one group of people.
And yet you claimed that you don't advocate anything bad upon them,
but you also think they should be denied their rights.
And, yes, marriage IS a civil right. Your denials don't change that,
and since you've been shown (by me among others) where marriage is
found to be a civil right, your continued denials have become
deliberate falsehoods.
AND you have yet to show how SSM is a special right, to boot.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "J Young" |
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15 Jan 2006 03:11:55 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:18:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:22:02 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
That's a lie. You support denying them their rights.
That doesn't interpret as an endorsement of death, which is what Ray
claimed
I championed.
I do not support denying homos their civil rights, what I oppose is the
granting of special rights to any one group of people.
And yet you claimed that you don't advocate anything bad upon them,
but you also think they should be denied their rights.
And, yes, marriage IS a civil right. Your denials don't change that,
and since you've been shown (by me among others) where marriage is
found to be a civil right, your continued denials have become
deliberate falsehoods.
AND you have yet to show how SSM is a special right, to boot.
Gays are not denied the right to marry. Many in your community are already
married and have children from those marriages. No one has the "right" to
SSM, and since this effects everyone ( remember it's everyones rights we're
discussing), everybody should have a voice. Every state which had a
referendum on the ballot dealing with the issue sent it down to crushing
defeats. Any court that grants this "right" is legislating from the bech;
hence a special right.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Jan 2006 05:28:35 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:18:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:22:02 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
That's a lie. You support denying them their rights.
That doesn't interpret as an endorsement of death, which is what Ray
claimed
I championed.
I do not support denying homos their civil rights, what I oppose is the
granting of special rights to any one group of people.
And yet you claimed that you don't advocate anything bad upon them,
but you also think they should be denied their rights.
And, yes, marriage IS a civil right. Your denials don't change that,
and since you've been shown (by me among others) where marriage is
found to be a civil right, your continued denials have become
deliberate falsehoods.
AND you have yet to show how SSM is a special right, to boot.
Gays are not denied the right to marry.
That sort of pathetic dishonesty is what we've come to expect of you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "J Young" |
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15 Jan 2006 07:24:44 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Gays are not denied the right to marry.
That sort of pathetic dishonesty is what we've come to expect of you.
Any man, gay, straight, or in-between, is free to marry any woman, gay,
straight, or in-between. Provided of course they are of legal age, can give
consent, and are not presently married.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Jan 2006 08:23:17 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Gays are not denied the right to marry.
That sort of pathetic dishonesty is what we've come to expect of you.
Any man, gay, straight, or in-between, is free to marry any woman, gay,
Don't try to spin it, bigot. You want it legal to discriminate against gays.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Adam H." |
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15 Jan 2006 04:16:51 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:11:55 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:18:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:01sis1lrm3sm39rd26macjavms594okf5m@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:22:02 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
That's a lie. You support denying them their rights.
That doesn't interpret as an endorsement of death, which is what Ray
claimed
I championed.
I do not support denying homos their civil rights, what I oppose is the
granting of special rights to any one group of people.
And yet you claimed that you don't advocate anything bad upon them,
but you also think they should be denied their rights.
And, yes, marriage IS a civil right. Your denials don't change that,
and since you've been shown (by me among others) where marriage is
found to be a civil right, your continued denials have become
deliberate falsehoods.
AND you have yet to show how SSM is a special right, to boot.
Gays are not denied the right to marry. Many in your community are already
married and have children from those marriages. No one has the "right" to
SSM, and since this effects everyone ( remember it's everyones rights we're
discussing), everybody should have a voice. Every state which had a
referendum on the ballot dealing with the issue sent it down to crushing
defeats. Any court that grants this "right" is legislating from the bech;
hence a special right.
No, wrong again. Read the UN UDHR. Marriage is a fundamental human
right, no 'opposite sex' qualifications.
You failed again. You can't even show how SSM affects you.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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| User: "LC" |
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14 Jan 2006 04:22:24 PM |
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Schizo-troll and loon "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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I do not advocate anything bad, let alone death, upon homosexuals.
Oh, look... "J" is lying again:
"I'm sure you people haven't curbed your behavior;so,how come no one seems
to be dying anymore?"
From: (J Young)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Does Aids kill anymore ?
Date: 8 Jun 2004 21:58:56 -0700
Message-ID: <9c2d0f9a.0406082058.66c011bd@posting.google.com>
"The ability to determine one's sexual orientation, plus abortion-on-demand
laws, will spell the end of gays in America."
From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cZCdnfOluqZakwDenZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
"I am at the point where all I wish for them is eternal
God-given pain, fiery damnation and non-dying total unabated anguish.
Let them roast eternally for their evil, vile sickening deeds. It's too
good for them. Jesus didn't die for these kinds of people. Hitler could
enter into the Kingdom of Heaven by Jesus' holy blood before these ugly
little freaks will, mark those words.." ~J "IBen" Young.
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.support.srs,alt.bible,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: God Hates FAGS and TRANSSEXUALS!
Date: 16 Jan 2005 03:45:05 -0800
Message-ID: <1105875905.283093.103120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
"Every damned day when I get out of bed, I offer up praise and song to
the Good Lord above for sending AIDS.
And let's not forget the marvelous effect HIV is having on our
charming and selfless black community.... They're coming down with it
in droves."~ "JYoung/IBenGetiner".
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403150031.a9bbc9b@posting.google.com>
LC~ And on and on, etc.
"Truth is quite obviously irrelevant to Young..."
From: "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
Message-ID: <h-idnf3mhdztElXeRVn-hw@megapath.net>
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J Young wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<TPSdnZ4t2vqVmVXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the
name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
Execution IS murder;
Actually it isn't. It is a homicide, yes. But it is viewed as a
justified homicide, not murder.
no matter what reason you have for doing so. If prison
were truly prison, inmates would live a spartan, isolated existence. No
programs, no schooling, no visits, no letters or phonecalls, no commisary,
no recreation.
You can't do that, it would be violating their rights.
While they can lose some of those above, with sanctions or loss of
privileges; you can't take away their programs or education. Letters,
phonecalls, visits..all fall under their rights.
Two meals that fill the FDA minimum requirements, emergency
medical care when necessary, a toilet and a blanket (sorry, no mattress).
Put someone in a setting like this for the rest of his life and you will
have punished him far greater than killing him. It would also reduce the
recidivism rate amongst inmates serving lesser time for lesser crimes.
No, it doesn't reduce the recidivism rate. History has taught us that.
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14 Jan 2006 09:12:12 AM |
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osprey lied:
No
"One last note: I am very surprised at your reaction especially after
just a few short months ago I provided a copy of my DD214 Right in
box 18...1st line it says... SERVED 2 AUG 90 TO 1 OCT 94 IN SUPPORT
OF OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM and in box 13 NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE
MEDAL Funny how you have selective memory, why? Yes, I served in combat
during Desert Storm."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.abortion/msg/38f5de5691243868?dmode=source&hl=en
"Fine, if you want to play on words...no I was not in actual "combat" "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db12fe6b6ec66a35?dmode=source&hl=en
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Jan 2006 04:10:08 AM |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:57:53 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <dvqdnUzL2PNeGVXeRVn-rQ@giganews.com>
wrote:
"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:48:35 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<TPSdnZ4t2vqVmVXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the
name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
Nonsense. Execution is not murder, and calling it such is pure
propaganda and misdirection.
Of course, you do that constantly.
Execution IS murder; no matter what reason you have for doing so.
Not if you are speaking English . Murder requires an illegal
component. Without this illegal component an act can no more be
murder than a hamburger can be a hamburger without meat or a cow be a
cow without four legs and bovine DNA. No act of the state done under
legally enacted laws can possibly be illegal since the definition of
illegal is to act against properly enacted laws.
It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal - it simply cannot
happen, To talk as if it can is to dishonestly foster a lie and
deception, as well as clearly indicating the audience is too dumb to
know what is being said.
If prison
were truly prison, inmates would live a spartan, isolated existence. No
programs, no schooling, no visits, no letters or phonecalls, no commisary,
no recreation. Two meals that fill the FDA minimum requirements, emergency
medical care when necessary, a toilet and a blanket (sorry, no mattress).
Put someone in a setting like this for the rest of his life and you will
have punished him far greater than killing him. It would also reduce the
recidivism rate amongst inmates serving lesser time for lesser crimes.
Irrelevant. No executed criminal has ever committed another crime or
cost society one cent through any of his actions.
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13 Jan 2006 02:23:04 PM |
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Untreated schizo-troll J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
aka "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> trolled in message
news:TPSdnZ4t2vqVmVXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
news:efPxf.6595$ZA5.4662@fed1read05...
New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
This, from a loon who consistently advocates death for his perceived
enemies.
LC~ "J Young" = hypocrite.
"So now we see that the looney here is once again JYoung/IBen/whatever.
Around and around you go, never stopping to rent some clues so you can
be spared the ignomity of displaying your stupidity on a world-wide
discussion forum. Don't you feel even the slightest bit stupid, being
shot down in flames every time you try another line of hypocrisy?
Don't you ever wonder about how you could avoid having your own words
jammed sideways down your becankered pie hole?"
From: "spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com>
Message-ID: <1133666769.510375.197910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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13 Jan 2006 03:35:44 PM |
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LC wrote:
Untreated schizo-troll J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
aka "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> trolled in message
news:TPSdnZ4t2vqVmVXenZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Mimi Cohen" <mimiNOSPAMgal@cox.net> wrote in message
news:efPxf.6595$ZA5.4662@fed1read05...
New DNA test proves executed man was killer, Virginia officials say
- James Dao, New York Times
Friday, January 13, 2006
Washington -- Thirteen years after Roger K. Coleman went to the electric
chair declaring, "An innocent man is being murdered tonight," a new DNA
test has found that he was almost certainly the source of genetic
material found in the body of his murdered sister-in-law, Virginia
officials announced Thursday.
Whether or not the defendant is guilty does not justify murder in the name
of the people. Life imprisonment is suffice.
This, from a loon who consistently advocates death for his perceived
enemies.
and it was beside the point anyway, a few days ago (maybe a week)
"osprey" was ragging on David, Patrick and James because this guy who
was executed *MAY* have been innocent and the governor is a Democrat.
Turns out the guy was "proven" 100% guilty of the crime he was executed
for and I'm calling lying, coward "osprey" to admit he was just playing
politics as usual and fess up. I'm not holding my breath, of course,
because lying coward bobby heishman posting as "osprey" has never
admitted anything in his life.
LC~ "J Young" = hypocrite.
"So now we see that the looney here is once again JYoung/IBen/whatever.
Around and around you go, never stopping to rent some clues so you can
be spared the ignomity of displaying your stupidity on a world-wide
discussion forum. Don't you feel even the slightest bit stupid, being
shot down in flames every time you try another line of hypocrisy?
Don't you ever wonder about how you could avoid having your own words
jammed sideways down your becankered pie hole?"
From: "spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com>
Message-ID: <1133666769.510375.197910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
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