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"J Young" |
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09 Oct 2005 10:43:25 AM |
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Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
When I first saw this story, I thought it had to be a joke. Upon
realizing that this b.s. was in fact true, I figured perhaps it's not
such a bad idea. To do my part, I am nominating Monica Lewinski for
next years induction. She has proven that a woman need not accomplish
great things in order to achieve fame, just do one thing well.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1197273
Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame
SENECA FALLS, N.Y. Oct 9, 2005 - Inspired by Alan Shepard, the first
American to journey into space, a 14-year-old from suburban Chicago
wrote a letter to NASA in 1961 asking what she needed to do to become
an astronaut. She got a curt reply: Girls are not being recruited by
the nation's space program.
"It had never crossed my mind up until that point that there might be
doors closed to me simply because I was a girl," recalled the letter
writer, better known today as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, as she was
enshrined Saturday in the National Women's Hall of Fame, along with
nine other inductees.
Honored with her were Maya Lin, who designed the Vietnam Veterans
Memorial in Washington, D.C.; Dr. Rita Rossi Colwell, who became the
first female director of the National Science Foundation in 1998; and
Betty Bumpers, a crusader for childhood immunizations who was Clinton's
predecessor as Arkansas' first lady.
"I don't think there has ever been a better time to be a woman than in
the United States of America in the 21st century," Clinton said in an
interview.
The first known women's rights convention was held in 1848 in this
upstate New York village. The hall, which opened in 1969, acclaims
women who have made valuable contributions to society and especially to
the freedom of women. In all, 217 women have been chosen by a national
committee of judges.
Six women honored posthumously this year included pilot Blanche Stuart
Scott, a barnstormer in the early days of aviation; Ruth Fulton
Benedict, an anthropologist whose 1934 book, "Patterns of Culture,"
became an American classic; and Florence Ellinwood Allen, who in 1934
became the first female judge appointed by a president to a U.S.
Circuit Court of Appeals.
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
10 Oct 2005 05:05:44 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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When I first saw this story, I thought it had to be a joke.
Why?
Upon
realizing that this b.s. was in fact true, I figured perhaps it's not
such a bad idea. To do my part, I am nominating Monica Lewinski for
next years induction. She has proven that a woman need not accomplish
great things in order to achieve fame, just do one thing well.
Becoming a US Senator is not an accomplishment?
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| User: "csr223" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
13 Oct 2005 11:25:38 PM |
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I think becoming a U.S. Senator is an amzing accomplishment for a woman
who once argued that a Black Panther could not be tried for murdering
another Black Panther, because he was a "political prisoner."
I can't believe how many people fall for her act. America's foremost
Leftist.
I'm sorry, I don't think that's a good thing.
http://www.aim.org/aim_report/A5_0_4_0_C/
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=127
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2185/is_5_11/ai_63502692
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/horo/1999/12/13/betty/
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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13 Oct 2005 11:57:11 PM |
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csr223 wrote:
I think becoming a U.S. Senator is an amzing accomplishment for a woman
who once argued that a Black Panther could not be tried for murdering
another Black Panther, because he was a "political prisoner."
This was a lie when you people first started telling it and it's still a
lie today:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/panthers.asp
Black Panthers
Claim: Hillary Clinton helped free two Black Panthers accused of
torturing and murdering Alex Rackley.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected on the Internet, 1999]
Scream, America, When You've Had Enough
Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a Black man named
Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was a fellow Panther suspected of
disloyalty.
Rackley was first tied to a chair. Safely immobilized his "friends"
tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on
him.
When they got tired of torturing Rackley Black Panther member Warren
Kimbro took Mr. Rackley's outside and put a bullet in his head.
Rackley's body was found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New
Haven, Conn.
Maybe at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black
Panthers. Well, in 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the
killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a
scholarship to Harvard. He later became an assistant dean at Eastern
Connecticut State College.
Isn't that something? As a 60's radical you can pump a bullet into
someone's head, and years later, in the same State, you can be an
assistant college dean! Only in America!
Ericka Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the water
for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a
California school board.
How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well,
maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to
the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far as to
shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused
Black Panthers during their trial. One of those people was none other
than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee as the case may be, isn't a
college dean. He isn't a member of a California school board. He is the
head of the U.S. Justice Departments Civil Rights Division. Lee is
serving in that capacity, illegally, by the way, but that's another
story — another part of the Clinton saga of ignoring the rule of law.
O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? Is this other notable
Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other Panther
apologist now an assistant college dean?
Nope, neither. The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law
student at Yale University at that time. She is now known as The
Smartest Woman in the World. She is none other than the unofficial
Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from the State of New York — our
lovely First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Origins: It's difficult for those who weren't around to experience the
1960s first-hand to fully understand the controversy that swirled around
"radical" parties such as the Black Panthers. Certainly to many
Americans they represented the very worst of that era's political
movements: a group of hate-filled militants who felt their disaffection
with the existing social and political systems justified anything
required to achieve their aim of "revolution by any means necessary"
(such as smuggling guns into a Marin County courtroom in an attempt to
free Panther George Jackson, resulting in a shoot-out that killed a
judge, two inmates, and Jackson's brother). To others, however, they
were the only political group that truly represented a downtrodden and
marginalized group of people who had been enslaved, discriminated
against, and denied civil rights protections for hundreds of years; that
sought to improve the condition of the poor by operating schools,
opening medical clinics, and providing free breakfasts for ghetto
children; and that had the courage to stand up to the brutality visited
upon them by law enforcement acting in the service of a government and a
society that sought to "keep them in their
place."
In May of 1969, Black Panther founder and national chairman Bobby Seale
(who had already been indicted for his alleged participation in
demonstrations at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in
August 1968) made a trip from Oakland to New Haven, Connecticut, to
speak at Yale University. The Black Panthers were by then nationally
known, a focus of media attention, and under the active surveillance of
the FBI. (J. Edgar Hoover had publicly declared several months earlier
that he considered the Panthers "the greatest threat to the internal
security of the country.") Rumors of police informants and government
spies having infiltrated the party were rampant, and a man named Alex
Rackley, a member of the Panthers' New York chapter, fell under
suspicion. Rackley was taken to the home of Warren Kimbro (a "community
organizer and aspiring Panther") where he was held captive for 24 hours,
beaten, and scalded with boiling water in an effort to force him to
confess. Rackley was then taken to a marsh in Middlefield by Kimbro,
George Sams (Panther field marshall and, according to some, himself a
police informant), and Lonnie McLucas (a Panther member from
Bridgeport), where Sams ordered Kimbro and McLucas to kill the suspected
informant. (Who did the actual killing has always been disputed; McLucas
reportedly fired the first shot, but Kimbro admitted to delivering the
bullet to the head that killed Rackley.) Rackley's body was discovered
the next day by fishermen, and fourteen Black Panthers were arrested and
charged with murder, kidnapping, and conspiracy.
That several Black Panthers directly took part in the torture and murder
of Alex Rackey is beyond dispute. But this piece isn't really about
outrage over what the Black Panthers did thirty years ago; it's a
political tract whose purpose is to discredit Hillary Clinton by
associating her with the Black Panthers. Of the hundreds of people who
played part in the Black Panthers' New Haven trial three decades ago,
the only ones named here are Hillary Clinton (a former first lady and
now a U.S. senator representing New York), and Bill Lann Lee (former
acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division, whose
appointment by President Clinton was controversial because of Lee's
support for affirmative action programs).
So, exactly what connection do Senator Clinton and Mr. Lee have to the
Black Panthers? The piece quoted above claims:
How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well,
maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to
the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far as to
shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused
Black Panthers during their trial.
We'll begin with the last part: Yale University was not "shut down"
during the trial; classes were made optional when 12,000 Panther
supporters swarmed the campus in protest, and the president of Yale
University himself, Kingman Brewster Jr., announced: "I personally want
to say that I'm appalled and ashamed that things should have come to
such a pass that I am skeptical of the ability of Black revolutionaries
to achieve a fair trial anywhere in the U.S." To lay the entire
responsibility for such a massive, widespread protest on the shoulders
of two Yale students is rather far-fetched, all the more so because
nobody has offered evidence that either one of them led, or even
participated in, any student demonstrations or protests in support of
the Black Panthers. The above-quoted article also maintains:
How in the world do you think that these killers got off so easy? Well,
maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to
the defense of the Panthers.
Neither Mr. Lee nor Senator Clinton "defended" the Panthers in the legal
sense implied here. Bill Lee wasn't a lawyer, or even a law student; he
was simply another Yale undergraduate who had no involvement in the
Black Panthers' trial. Hillary Rodham (as she was known then) wasn't a
lawyer then, either. She was a Yale law student, and like many of her
politically-minded fellow law students who saw the latest "Trial of the
Century" taking place right in their back yard, she took advantage of an
opportunity to be involved in a minor, peripheral way by organizing
other students to help the American Civil Liberties Union monitor the
trial for civil rights violations. In any case, her tangential
participation in the trial in no way helped "free" the two Black
Panthers tried for the murder of Alex Rackley: they went free because
the state failed to sufficiently prove its case, and after several days
of deliberation the jury was unable to reach a verdict. The charges were
dimissed, and the state declined to retry either Bobby Seale or Ericka
Huggins.
As for Warren Kimbro, the man who admitted to shooting Alex Rackley in
the head, the reason he's not still in prison is that the government
allowed him to plead to a lesser charge (second degree murder) in
exchange for turning state's evidence against other Panthers; he was
sentenced to life in prison but was released after four years.
Update: Versions of the e-mailed denunciation headed "Paul Harvey's
'The rest of the story'" began circulating on the Internet in June 2000.
This header plus a comment at the end of the text ("And now, as Paul
Harvey says, you know the rest of the story") caused some to believe
Paul Harvey had read this piece (or a shorter version of it) on the air.
Paul Harvey's people confirm he has never broadcast the Panthers and
Hillary Clinton story.
Last updated: 18 September 2005
The URL for this page is
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/panthers.asp
Urban Legends Reference Pages © 1995-2005
by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
This material may not be reproduced without permission.
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Sources:
Brock, David. The Seduction of Hillary Rodham.
New York: Free Press, 1996. ISBN 0-684-83451-0 (pp. 30-35).
Claiborne, William. "Brewster: From Yale to the Court of St.
James's."
The Washington Post. 8 April 1977 (p. B1).
Elvin, John. "Hillary Hides Her Panther Fling."
Insight. 31 July 2000.
Freed, Daniel. Agony in New Haven: The Trial of Bobby Seale,
Erika Huggins, and the Black Panther Party.
New York: Simon and Schuster, 1973.
McCaslin, John. "Hillary for the Defense."
The Washington Times. 12 June 1998.
Rierden, Andi. "Once a Black Panther, Always a Cause."
The New York Times. 22 November 1992 (p. CN1).
West, Diana. "The '60s Strike Back."
The Washington Times. 5 February 1999.
Journal of Blacks in Higher Education. "Former Black Panthers Who
Have Turned to Higher Education."
31 October 1998 (p. 62).
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14 Oct 2005 08:35:02 AM |
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What lie? I never said she helped free them. She organized protests on
their behalf.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
and the 4 other urls I posted support my position. I never said the
variants, such as the Paul Harvey story, are true. And the url above
does not say the Paul Harvey version is true.
But all the urls I posted demonstrate the Anti-American roots of
Hillary Rodham, which shaped who she is today. She went from campus
protest leader to working for a leading Communist.
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During the summer of 1971, Mrs. Clinton writes in her book, she was a
law clerk at the Oakland firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein. "I
spent most of my time working for Mal Burnstein researching, writing
legal motions and briefs for a child custody case," she said. In fact,
however, the public record shows that Clinton worked for Robert
Treuhaft, a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and
Harvard-trained lawyer for the party.
+++++++++++++++ Excerpt: http://www.aim.org/aim_report/A5_0_4_0_C/
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John Elvin of Insight magazine looked into the Hillary-Panthers eRumor
as well as how it was handled by some urban legends sites and wrote his
findings in an article that appeared in July of 2000. He quotes former
sixties radical David Horowitz as saying that both Hillary Rodham and
Bill Lann Lee organized demonstrations at Yale against the Panther
trial. Elvin also says, "Insight reviewed biographies of Hillary
Clinton by Milton, Brock and Roger Morris for this story and lengthy
selections from such other biographies as Barbara Olson's Hell to
Pay. Together, relying on primary and other firsthand sources, they
unquestionably back Horowitz's contention that Hillary was a campus
leader during the Panther protests."
++++++++++++++++++ Excerpt from:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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14 Oct 2005 08:54:32 AM |
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She did not organise protests on their behalf. She worked with ACLU to
ensure a fair trail and no civil rights violations occurred.
Since when is anti-American to protest???
You are a fuckign fascist nutcase and wouldn't know the truth if it
crawled up your arsehole and out your gob.
"csr223" <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1129296901.995114.277270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: What lie? I never said she helped free them. She organized protests on
: their behalf.
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: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
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: and the 4 other urls I posted support my position. I never said the
: variants, such as the Paul Harvey story, are true. And the url above
: does not say the Paul Harvey version is true.
:
: But all the urls I posted demonstrate the Anti-American roots of
: Hillary Rodham, which shaped who she is today. She went from campus
: protest leader to working for a leading Communist.
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| User: "csr223" |
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14 Oct 2005 10:15:03 AM |
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Obviously you believe in Hillary out of blind faith, and have not
bothered to check the facts. Have a look:
http://www.aim.org/aim_report/A5_0_4_0_C/
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=127
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2185/is_5_11/ai_63502692
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/horo/1999/12/13/betty/
"...Together, relying on primary and other firsthand sources, they
unquestionably back Horowitz's contention that Hillary was a campus
leader during the Panther protests."
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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14 Oct 2005 11:12:05 PM |
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csr223 <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
Obviously you believe in Hillary out of blind faith, and have not
bothered to check the facts. Have a look:
Yes, let's, since you've alreday decided that one source can't be
trusted. As it happens, your cites are all crap. www.snopes.com
is far more credible than anything you cite.
http://www.aim.org/aim_report/A5_0_4_0_C/
Obviously biased political smear.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
3rd hand claims without any evidence.
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=127
Also obviously biased. Apparently, being describes by Life magazine
as being "best and brightest of the year" makes one a radical. Even
so, that article directly refutes your claims.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2185/is_5_11/ai_63502692
"I would argue Hillary Clinton is America's foremost leftist."
Bias.
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/horo/1999/12/13/betty/
Dishonest and without support.
"...Together, relying on primary and other firsthand sources, they
unquestionably back Horowitz's contention that Hillary was a campus
leader during the Panther protests."
Not that she led any protests, or even was involved in any protests.
Only that she was some sort of "campus leader".
I suspect that what's going on here is pure racism and bigotry.
Attacking someone for trying to ensure a fair trial is desperate even
for the goose-stepping fascists of the republican far right.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "csr223" |
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15 Oct 2005 10:57:32 AM |
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You obviously jumped to the usual left wing biased conclusions without
reading anything. Any attack on an icon of the left is an attack on
your religious beliefs, and its like trying to talk to a fundamentalist
(no, I'm not one of those).
The Snopes article specifically deals with an article that I did not
cite.
The TruthorFiction cite also addresses the fraudulent article, but
presents the facts of the case, very similar to what is in the Snopes
cite.
The Black Panthers were, by and large, a bunch of thugs. Regarding "to
improve the condition of the poor by operating schools," you really
need to know the whole story of the Black Panthers and Betty Van Patter
to appreciate the absurdity of that claim. I suggest you try to find
the book "Raising Hell, How the Center for Investigative Reporting Gets
the Story," by David Weir and Dan Noyes, for the truth about the Black
Panthers (pp 223-272 "The Party's Over"). Published 1983, Addison
Wesley. "The Party's Over" had been the cover story in a July 1978
issue of New Times. The other articles in the book appeared in New
Times, New West, Mother Jones . . . hardly right wing publications.
http://www.aim.org/aim_report/A5_0_4_0_C/
Sure, anything calling itself Accuracy in Media, and espousing
fairness, must be obviously biased. You didn't even read it, because
you don't want to know. Probably too long to keep your attention.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillarypanthers.htm
You say is third hand, but it refers to first hand sources, that you
could easily check, if you cared about the truth. This is very similar
to your Snopes cite.
[excerpt: John Elvin of Insight magazine looked into the
Hillary-Panthers eRumor as well as how it was handled by some urban
legends sites and wrote his findings in an article that appeared in
July of 2000. He quotes former sixties radical David Horowitz as
saying that both Hillary Rodham and Bill Lann Lee organized
demonstrations at Yale against the Panther trial. Elvin also says,
"Insight reviewed biographies of Hillary Clinton by Milton, Brock and
Roger Morris for this story and lengthy selections from such other
biographies as Barbara Olson's Hell to Pay. Together, relying on
primary and other firsthand sources, they unquestionably back
Horowitz's contention that Hillary was a campus leader during the
Panther protests."]
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=127
--does not refute anything that I claimed.
"The defense of the New Haven Nine marked Hillary's initiation into
the sinister underworld of the hardcore, revolutionary Left. To my
knowledge, Hillary has never publicly renounced nor apologized for her
role in that movement."
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2185/is_5_11/ai_63502692
you say is dishonest and without support. Before the death of Betty Van
Patter, David Horowitz's left wing credentials were impeccable. His
analysis of her past, and how it shaped who she is today, is worth a
look, unless you just hate America so much you can't stand to consider
another point of view. Horowitz was major player and left wing leader
at the time, a close friend of Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver, and other
60s figure heads. His eyes were opened. Its too bad yours aren't.
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/horo/1999/12/13/betty/
Dishonest and without support, you say?
He was there. He knew these people. Every detail is substantiated by
"Raising Hell, How the Center for Investigative Reporting Gets the
Story," by David Weir and Dan Noyes. (Addison Wesley, 1983).
You say "what's going on here is pure racism and bigotry."
How so? The Black Panthers were thugs. Anything they did for the
community was for show. If you knew about Betty Van Patter, you would
see this. Examining the anti-American values of Hillary has nothing to
do with racism or bigotry.
"Attacking someone for trying to ensure a fair trial ..." is not what
that was about.
"for the goose-stepping fascists of the republican far right." To
understand the absurdity of equating Republicans with Fascism, you
really need to read every word of Horowitz's article on Hillary and
"the third way." Fascism has much more in common with the Left: an
elitist minority that wants to dictate to the unwashed masses. The best
and most obvious example is the Left's view on the 2nd amendment.
They'd like to do away with it, and have no armed citizens, only armed
police. As Robert Heinlein said, when only the police are armed, its
called a police state. Sounds like Fascism to me.
Jeff
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Oct 2005 12:19:30 PM |
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csr223 <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
You obviously jumped to the usual left wing biased conclusions without
So you're a bigot who believes anything that comes from right-wing
smear-mongers. You ignore the fact that your own cites call you a
liar and resort to a little hissy fit.
[...]
The Black Panthers were, by and large, a bunch of thugs.
Doesn't matter. They still deserve a fair trial and not a kangaroo
court from some racist bigots who think that blacks should be shot
first and tried later.
That you would attack Rodham-Clinton for working to ensure a fair
trial says everything we need to know about your politics.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "csr223" |
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15 Oct 2005 01:31:52 PM |
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I don't have hissy fits. I presented cites, I tried to explain to you
why, apparently not having actually read them yourself, you are wrong
about them.
My cites a support everything I've said. If you read them, you'd see
that.
The Black Panthers were NOT tried in a kangaroo court, and I'm not for
shooting anyone without a trial. You don't have to be White to see
thugs for what they are. You really need to look into who Betty Van
Patter was.
I oppose Hillary for her Leftist agenda, which began developing in the
60s. She wasn't trying to ensure a fair trial, she opposed trying
criminals for the crimes they committed.
Trying to communicate with you really is no different from trying to
get a Christian to read something other than the Bible.
The majority of the venom, name-calling, and ill-mannered boorishness
that I see in alt.atheism comes from you pseudo-intellectuals lefties.
Try looking into "Raising Hell," and see some objective journalism that
shows the Panthers for what they were.
Jeff
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15 Oct 2005 11:14:37 PM |
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"csr223" <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
I don't have hissy fits. I presented cites, I tried to explain to you
why, apparently not having actually read them yourself, you are wrong
about them.
My cites a support everything I've said. If you read them, you'd see
that.
The Black Panthers were NOT tried in a kangaroo court, and I'm not for
shooting anyone without a trial. You don't have to be White to see
thugs for what they are. You really need to look into who Betty Van
Patter was.
I oppose Hillary for her Leftist agenda, which began developing in the
60s. She wasn't trying to ensure a fair trial, she opposed trying
criminals for the crimes they committed.
Trying to communicate with you really is no different from trying to
get a Christian to read something other than the Bible.
The majority of the venom, name-calling, and ill-mannered boorishness
that I see in alt.atheism comes from you pseudo-intellectuals lefties.
Try looking into "Raising Hell," and see some objective journalism that
shows the Panthers for what they were.
Jeff
pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they have
nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american citizen. it makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want it to
be.
Harry
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| User: "Clave" |
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15 Oct 2005 11:46:39 PM |
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"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they have
nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american citizen. it
makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want it to
be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel great.
Jim
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| User: "Harry Flynt" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 12:21:35 AM |
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they have
nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american citizen. it
makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want it
to be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel great.
Jim
Jim is just another example of the pseudo-intellectual, atheist, loony
left. which means he'll be disappointed over and over for the rest of his
life on earth.
Harry
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 12:29:41 AM |
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"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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<...>
pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they have
nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american citizen. it
makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want it
to be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel great.
Jim
Jim is just another example of the pseudo-intellectual, atheist, loony
left...
IOW, someone against whom you can't scrape up anything but ad-hominem
blather.
Jim
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| User: "Harry Flynt" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 12:44:20 AM |
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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<...>
pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they
have nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american
citizen. it makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want
it to be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel
great.
Jim
Jim is just another example of the pseudo-intellectual, atheist, loony
left...
IOW, someone against whom you can't scrape up anything but ad-hominem
blather.
Jim
awww poor baby. i would have but there's nothing to you.
Harry
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| User: "Clave" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 01:06:41 AM |
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"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
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<...>
pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they
have nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american
citizen. it makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want
it to be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel
great.
Jim
Jim is just another example of the pseudo-intellectual, atheist, loony
left...
IOW, someone against whom you can't scrape up anything but ad-hominem
blather.
Jim
awww poor baby. i would have but there's nothing to you.
QE frickin' D.
Jim
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 11:53:45 AM |
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Harry Flynt wrote:
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
news:20051016012135.868$8C@newsreader.com...
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
news:20051016001437.428$Ws@newsreader.com...
<...>
pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they
have nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american
citizen. it makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want
it to be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel
great.
Jim
Jim is just another example of the pseudo-intellectual, atheist, loony
left...
IOW, someone against whom you can't scrape up anything but ad-hominem
blather.
Jim
awww poor baby. i would have but there's nothing to you.
Harry
Translation: "I know you are but what am I?"
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 11:52:35 AM |
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Harry Flynt wrote:
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
"Harry Flynt" <Harry@da.house> wrote in message
news:20051016001437.428$Ws@newsreader.com...
<...>
pseudo-intellectual lefties being the key phase. in general they have
nothing but contempt and disdain for the average american citizen. it
makes
me feel so great to know that america will never be what they want it
to be.
You mean educated and healthy. I'll bet that *does* make you feel great.
Jim
Jim is just another example of the pseudo-intellectual, atheist, loony
left. which means he'll be disappointed over and over for the rest of his
life on earth.
Harry
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| User: "csr223" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 12:23:46 AM |
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No, the goal of lefties in America, at least the ones currently trying
to resurrect the 60s by talking us into believing that Iraq is "another
Viet Nam," is to turn America into the land of the Eloi. You know,
those docile peace-loving idyllic creatures in H.G. Welles "Time
Machine" . . . who were cattle for the Morlocks. If the U.S. acted as
lefties wish, there are enemies of freedom who will devour us. Showing
weakness to Islamo-fascists only emboldens them.
Economically, the left would like the entire U.S. to be as screwed up
as California . . . .or Europe, which will probably face an economic
collapse in the next decade or so.
Some will worry about the Republicans' deficit spending. Well,
hurricanes and floods happen. And the war on terror is necessary for
our survival. If we let Islamo-fascists destroy us, we won't really
have to worry about the deficit. I believe Senator Clinton still
supports the war, no?
Jeff
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 03:26:11 AM |
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Hillary is as much as leftist as the Pope is Jewish, you ignorant *****.
"csr223" <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: I oppose Hillary for her Leftist agenda, which began developing in the
: 60s. She wasn't trying to ensure a fair trial, she opposed trying
: criminals for the crimes they committed.
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: Jeff
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 12:04:39 PM |
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton wrote:
Hillary is as much as leftist as the Pope is Jewish, you ignorant *****.
"csr223" <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1129401112.894338.172500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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: I oppose Hillary for her Leftist agenda, which began developing in the
: 60s. She wasn't trying to ensure a fair trial, she opposed trying
: criminals for the crimes they committed.
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: Jeff
These morons wouldn't know a liberal if one kicked them in the head.
These morons think Bill "welfare reform" Clinton is a liberal! They
"think" Lieberman is a liberal. Pretty much the last REAL liberal
Democrat to hold the Presidency was FDR, but you'll never convince these
idiots of that, Rush told 'em different.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 01:13:36 AM |
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csr223 <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
I don't have hissy fits. I presented cites,
Which 1) were either blatantly biased opinion, or 2) proved your
claims to be crap.
My cites a support everything I've said.
Except that they refute your claim that Rodham organized any
demonstrations.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
15 Oct 2005 01:47:00 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
csr223 <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
You obviously jumped to the usual left wing biased conclusions without
So you're a bigot who believes anything that comes from right-wing
smear-mongers. You ignore the fact that your own cites call you a
liar and resort to a little hissy fit.
[...]
The Black Panthers were, by and large, a bunch of thugs.
Doesn't matter. They still deserve a fair trial and not a kangaroo
court from some racist bigots who think that blacks should be shot
first and tried later.
That you would attack Rodham-Clinton for working to ensure a fair
trial says everything we need to know about your politics.
That there have been few people more vile than Ted Bundy and Jeffrey
Dahmer does not negate their right to fair trials. Why do ERWBDC not
understand that?
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| User: "csr223" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
15 Oct 2005 03:24:08 PM |
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I don't kow what ERWBDC you or referring to, nor why you jumped on the
"fair trial" band wagon.
I never said the Panthers didn't deserve a fair trial.
Hillary's position, as I understand it, and not from the bogus Paul
Harvey item, was that the Panthers should not be tried at all. Her
version of the facts, that she was just working with the ACLU to
promote fairness, is disputed by other sources.
My concern is Hillary's known and obvious links to subversive groups,
her tutelage by a known Communist lawyer, etc., as documented in the
posts I cited, and many other sources. I don't think "Living History"
is an unbiased source.
You could check some evidence, or shall we just call each others names,
as seems to be the preferred form of discourse among Leftists?
Jeff
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 01:15:03 AM |
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csr223 <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
I don't kow what ERWBDC you or referring to, nor why you jumped on the
"fair trial" band wagon.
I never said the Panthers didn't deserve a fair trial.
And yet you attack Rodham for working to ensure that they got a fait
trial.
Hillary's position, as I understand it,
As if you understand anything.
and not from the bogus Paul
Harvey item, was that the Panthers should not be tried at all.
And so now you're reduced to outright lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 11:56:16 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
csr223 <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote:
I don't kow what ERWBDC you or referring to, nor why you jumped on the
"fair trial" band wagon.
I never said the Panthers didn't deserve a fair trial.
And yet you attack Rodham for working to ensure that they got a fait
trial.
Hillary's position, as I understand it,
As if you understand anything.
and not from the bogus Paul
Harvey item, was that the Panthers should not be tried at all.
And so now you're reduced to outright lying.
He *MUST* it's all he has.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
15 Oct 2005 04:03:26 PM |
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csr223 wrote:
I don't kow what ERWBDC you or referring to, nor why you jumped on the
"fair trial" band wagon.
I never said the Panthers didn't deserve a fair trial.
Hillary's position, as I understand it, and not from the bogus Paul
Harvey item, was that the Panthers should not be tried at all. Her
version of the facts, that she was just working with the ACLU to
promote fairness, is disputed by other sources.
My concern is Hillary's known and obvious links to subversive groups,
her tutelage by a known Communist lawyer, etc., as documented in the
posts I cited, and many other sources. I don't think "Living History"
is an unbiased source.
You could check some evidence, or shall we just call each others names,
as seems to be the preferred form of discourse among Leftists?
Jeff
He says as he lables me "leftist"
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| User: "csr223" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 12:30:34 AM |
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And I suppose you are not a leftist? I thought you'd be flattered,
ratherthan insulted. Seems to fit your politics.
Now, insulting would be calling someone you don't know an ERWBDC (or
any of the epithets used in other responses to my posts) seems more on
the order of a personal insult. It certainly isn't rational discourse.
I'd explain to you why ERWBDC is particularly inappropriate in my case,
but it would be like talking to a wall.
Jeff
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 03:28:05 AM |
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You obviously have never taken a political science course in your life,
what a fucking idiot you are.
"csr223" <addesigner@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: And I suppose you are not a leftist? I thought you'd be flattered,
: ratherthan insulted. Seems to fit your politics.
:
: Now, insulting would be calling someone you don't know an ERWBDC (or
: any of the epithets used in other responses to my posts) seems more on
: the order of a personal insult. It certainly isn't rational discourse.
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: I'd explain to you why ERWBDC is particularly inappropriate in my
case,
: but it would be like talking to a wall.
: Jeff
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| User: "csr223" |
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| Title: Re: Hillary Clinton Inducted Into Women's Hall of Fame |
16 Oct 2005 08:55:45 AM |
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"=F8=E9=F2=E9=EF =E1=F8=FA=E5=EF=FD/Riain Barton" <r...@zion.org.il> burbl=
ed:
:You obviously have never taken a political science course in your
life,
:what a fucking idiot you are.
Actually, I have. Did you have a point, or are you just demonstrating
your limited vocabulary?
These days, taking a poli sci course probably jsut means getting lefist
indoctrination.
You hada point to make? Sorry, haven't seen you make one yet. Just the
usual rude behavior.
Jeff
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