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"J Young" |
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17 Jul 2005 09:53:32 PM |
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Hiroshima |
During these next few weeks, the 60th anniversary of the atomic bombing
of Hiroshima will dominate much of the media's attention. Many articles
will be written and documentaries broadcast detailing the suffering of
the city's population. None of these outlets should forget to also
detail the initial sneak attack at Pearl Harbor that commenced this
war, killing thousands of innocent Americans. They should remember to
run articles and films detailing the atrocities perpetrated on allied
POW's, crimes as vile as anything the Nazi's committed in Russia. They
should detail the occupation of the Asian countries that fell under the
Japanese sword. Was the bombing justified? If it saved even ONE
American life, it was worth it. August 6th should be commemorated as a
holiday honoring Harry Truman.
http://www.abcasiapacific.com/news/stories/asiapacific_stories_141604...
The Japanese city of Hiroshima is preparing to commemorate the 60th
anniversary of the world's first atomic bombing on August 6.
Some 140,000 people, almost half the city's population at the time,
died immediately or in the months after the nuclear attack from
radiation injuries or horrific burns.
Latest research has found 76-percent of survivors still experience
flashbacks.
The Hiroshima bombing was followed by the dropping of a second atomic
bomb on the city of Nagasaki on August 9, 1945, leaving tens of
thousands more dead.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
18 Jul 2005 09:11:08 PM |
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"Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
When you can make a point without insult, I will listen. Until then, you
are simply flat wrong.
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
18 Jul 2005 10:21:12 PM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
When you can make a point without insult, I will listen. Until then, you
are simply flat wrong.
Pus, head, you insult the ng with your pathetic naivete and defiant
ignorance. Your inability to even see a new idea is laughable. Lizards
have more brains than you do.
You just take your insults and LIKE them, you fucking Pus head.
You stupid. Go call some 80 year old lady a "soldier," will ya?
Ryd
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
19 Jul 2005 05:30:46 AM |
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<ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1121743272.319848.125330@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
When you can make a point without insult, I will listen. Until then,
you
are simply flat wrong.
Pus, head,
Failed again I see.
[remainder snipped unread]
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| User: "Slate" |
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19 Jul 2005 02:48:31 PM |
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On 18 Jul 2005 19:05:55 -0700, "Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
You don't realize, it doesn't penetrate your thick skull, that the
Islamists are saying the same thing about the U.S. Bin Ladin says he is
duty bound to kill 4 million Americans, including 2 million children.
He has specifically said this. Why? He figures that's how many lives we
owe them.
As for Japan:
"From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the
Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000
people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans,
Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners
of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and
military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national
culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender
while still able to resist were criminals)." <end quote>
Read all about it... it's easy. Just click on that link thingy below.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM
As for O.B.L. and his fundamentalist throwbacks, the U.S.A.
has enough nukes to turn all of that sand into glass.
Do unto others...... etc., etc.
He, also, says "You started it, we will finish it."
Wonder what kind of technology he is banking on using to get that many
dead U.S. civilians?
Pus head, you are a stupid *****. A stupid Pus head.
A pathetic stupid.
I pray you do not reproduce.
Ryd
It's amazing that out of millions of sperm, you
were the fastest one.
Slate
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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19 Jul 2005 10:30:31 PM |
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Slate <slate_1947_@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
You don't realize, it doesn't penetrate your thick skull, that the
Islamists are saying the same thing about the U.S. Bin Ladin says he is
duty bound to kill 4 million Americans, including 2 million children.
He has specifically said this. Why? He figures that's how many lives we
owe them.
As for Japan:
"From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the
Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000
people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans,
Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners
of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and
military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national
culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender
while still able to resist were criminals)." <end quote>
And how many did the US and its allies murder? Why know of the
destruction of Desden. The nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. Those alone are a half million people killed.
But the victor write the history books and you do your duty and you
don't think too much about other viewpoints. You wouldn't want to
let yourself think that your Glorious Country is less than perfect.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Slate" |
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20 Jul 2005 09:01:19 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:30:31 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Slate <slate_1947_@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
You don't realize, it doesn't penetrate your thick skull, that the
Islamists are saying the same thing about the U.S. Bin Ladin says he is
duty bound to kill 4 million Americans, including 2 million children.
He has specifically said this. Why? He figures that's how many lives we
owe them.
As for Japan:
"From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the
Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000
people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans,
Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners
of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and
military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national
culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender
while still able to resist were criminals)." <end quote>
And how many did the US and its allies murder? Why know of the
destruction of Desden. The nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. Those alone are a half million people killed.
In Germany, over 3-million civilians died and in Japan, over
900-thousand. As they say, ~war is hell~.
In regards to Japan and Germany, there were two options.
You either allowed them to achieve their goal of world domination,
or you beat them into submission. I'll choose the latter every time.
If Germany and or Japan had the a-bomb, do you believe for one
second that they wouldn't have used it against us?
But the victor write the history books and you do your duty and you
don't think too much about other viewpoints. You wouldn't want to
let yourself think that your Glorious Country is less than perfect.
I've never stated that the U.S. (or any other country) was "perfect".
That's your word, not mine.
Slate
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Jul 2005 09:19:19 AM |
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Slate wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:30:31 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Slate <slate_1947_@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
You don't realize, it doesn't penetrate your thick skull, that the
Islamists are saying the same thing about the U.S. Bin Ladin says he is
duty bound to kill 4 million Americans, including 2 million children.
He has specifically said this. Why? He figures that's how many lives we
owe them.
As for Japan:
"From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the
Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000
people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans,
Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners
of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and
military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national
culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender
while still able to resist were criminals)." <end quote>
And how many did the US and its allies murder? Why know of the
destruction of Desden. The nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. Those alone are a half million people killed.
In Germany, over 3-million civilians died and in Japan, over
900-thousand. As they say, ~war is hell~.
In regards to Japan and Germany, there were two options.
You either allowed them to achieve their goal of world domination,
or you beat them into submission. I'll choose the latter every time.
If Germany and or Japan had the a-bomb, do you believe for one
second that they wouldn't have used it against us?
I did some research last year for one of my classes and I remember
reading that one of the biggest fears was that Germany realized we had
the A-Bomb and Germany was not too far behind us in developing one
themselves.
Would they have used it? I think they would have in a Texas heartbeat.
But the victor write the history books and you do your duty and you
don't think too much about other viewpoints. You wouldn't want to
let yourself think that your Glorious Country is less than perfect.
I've never stated that the U.S. (or any other country) was "perfect".
That's your word, not mine.
Slate
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| User: "Attila" |
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20 Jul 2005 11:55:17 AM |
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On 20 Jul 2005 07:19:19 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1121869159.052988.42580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
In Germany, over 3-million civilians died and in Japan, over
900-thousand. As they say, ~war is hell~.
In regards to Japan and Germany, there were two options.
You either allowed them to achieve their goal of world domination,
or you beat them into submission. I'll choose the latter every time.
If Germany and or Japan had the a-bomb, do you believe for one
second that they wouldn't have used it against us?
I did some research last year for one of my classes and I remember
reading that one of the biggest fears was that Germany realized we had
the A-Bomb and Germany was not too far behind us in developing one
themselves.
Would they have used it? I think they would have in a Texas heartbeat.
Everyone ignores little things like the V1, V2, and ME262. I suppose
it's because it kills their arguments.
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| User: "osprey" |
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20 Jul 2005 01:02:08 PM |
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Attila wrote:
On 20 Jul 2005 07:19:19 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1121869159.052988.42580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
In Germany, over 3-million civilians died and in Japan, over
900-thousand. As they say, ~war is hell~.
In regards to Japan and Germany, there were two options.
You either allowed them to achieve their goal of world domination,
or you beat them into submission. I'll choose the latter every time.
If Germany and or Japan had the a-bomb, do you believe for one
second that they wouldn't have used it against us?
I did some research last year for one of my classes and I remember
reading that one of the biggest fears was that Germany realized we had
the A-Bomb and Germany was not too far behind us in developing one
themselves.
Would they have used it? I think they would have in a Texas heartbeat.
Everyone ignores little things like the V1, V2, and ME262. I suppose
it's because it kills their arguments.
Just a little bit of research wouldn't hurt them.
Do they remember one of the scientist who helped develop the A-Bomb and
where he came from?
Hint..hint...Germany
Initials A.E.
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| User: "Attila" |
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20 Jul 2005 04:04:31 PM |
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On 20 Jul 2005 11:02:08 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1121881792.388736.186170@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 20 Jul 2005 07:19:19 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1121869159.052988.42580@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
In Germany, over 3-million civilians died and in Japan, over
900-thousand. As they say, ~war is hell~.
In regards to Japan and Germany, there were two options.
You either allowed them to achieve their goal of world domination,
or you beat them into submission. I'll choose the latter every time.
If Germany and or Japan had the a-bomb, do you believe for one
second that they wouldn't have used it against us?
I did some research last year for one of my classes and I remember
reading that one of the biggest fears was that Germany realized we had
the A-Bomb and Germany was not too far behind us in developing one
themselves.
Would they have used it? I think they would have in a Texas heartbeat.
Everyone ignores little things like the V1, V2, and ME262. I suppose
it's because it kills their arguments.
Just a little bit of research wouldn't hurt them.
But then they could not rant and rave the way they do.
BTW, while they did not get the publicity of the Germans the Japanese
were working on some really scary weapons. Jets, intercontinental
bombers, atomic energy, and a bunch of other things. The 1946
invasion just might have been a real problem.
Do they remember one of the scientist who helped develop the A-Bomb and
where he came from?
Hint..hint...Germany
Initials A.E.
There were a few more involved too. Mostly Jewish, mostly German, and
mostly anti-Nazi with a vengeance.
And don't forget who headed our missile development program a few
years later.
WvB.
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| User: "Slate" |
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20 Jul 2005 03:31:14 PM |
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On 20 Jul 2005 07:19:19 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Slate wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:30:31 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Slate <slate_1947_@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
To save as many as 1.2 million? You bet.
You dumb fucking Pus head.
You don't realize, it doesn't penetrate your thick skull, that the
Islamists are saying the same thing about the U.S. Bin Ladin says he is
duty bound to kill 4 million Americans, including 2 million children.
He has specifically said this. Why? He figures that's how many lives we
owe them.
As for Japan:
"From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the
Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000
people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans,
Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners
of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and
military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national
culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender
while still able to resist were criminals)." <end quote>
And how many did the US and its allies murder? Why know of the
destruction of Desden. The nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. Those alone are a half million people killed.
In Germany, over 3-million civilians died and in Japan, over
900-thousand. As they say, ~war is hell~.
In regards to Japan and Germany, there were two options.
You either allowed them to achieve their goal of world domination,
or you beat them into submission. I'll choose the latter every time.
If Germany and or Japan had the a-bomb, do you believe for one
second that they wouldn't have used it against us?
I did some research last year for one of my classes and I remember
reading that one of the biggest fears was that Germany realized we had
the A-Bomb and Germany was not too far behind us in developing one
themselves.
Would they have used it? I think they would have in a Texas heartbeat.
You bet they would have used it, if they had the opportunity to do
so. Some people can't or won't see the big picture though, and put
the lives of 300-thousand over millions. Their logic escapes me.
Slate
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his
own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of
being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men
than himself." [John Stuart Mill] (1806 - 1873)
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| User: "Attila" |
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19 Jul 2005 04:39:05 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:26:12 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <dbhkrj$8m8$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
America did not
ask to be involved in this war.
Irrelevant.
Not after being attacked.
Japan attacked US. They started it,
we finished it.
And that justifies killing hundreds of thousands of people?
Yes.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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19 Jul 2005 09:04:11 AM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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19 Jul 2005 09:37:27 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:04:11 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <dbj18q$v9m$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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19 Jul 2005 12:37:34 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "JCarew" |
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19 Jul 2005 01:03:40 PM |
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JMJ
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dbjdou$er5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
the Joint Chiefs were reading indicated the Japanese
were not about to surrender thus making it necessary
for us to use the A bomb(see below). Only six Americans
were authorized to read these intercepts. President
Truman became one of the six after the death of
Roosevelt.
General Marshall knew prior to the February 1945 Yalta
Conference that Russia would break its nonaggression pact
with Japan and attack Manchuria about 90 days after the
surrender of Germany (VE Day) The Magic Summaries
documented the shift of Soviet troops by rail from Europe
to the Far East for this purpose. We also knew from the
Magic decrypts that the Japanese home islands were to
be defended from invasion and occupation by 2.3 million
troops, another four million Army and Navy employees and
a newly created armed militia numbering 25 million. These
defenders were sworn to fight to the death, which so
many Japanese troops had done in battles throughout the
Pacific.
To effectively invade and occupy Japan, American strategists
foresaw two invasions, scheduled for November 1945 and March
1946. The first invasion, on the island of Kyushu would employ
some 770,000 American troops. The follow-up invasion on the
plains of Tokyo, leading to the forced occupation of Japan,
called for two million American troops.
But according to documents that have been uncovered, a
conference to discuss pre-invasion casualties was held at the
White House on June 18, 1945, between President Truman and the
Joint Chiefs of Staff. From the Pacific, Gen. Douglas MacArthur
submitted rather optimistic casualty estimates. This caused
Adm. William D. Leahy, Truman's military advisor, to take
charge of the session. Based on the experience at Iwo Jima and
Okinawa, Leahy predicted that in an invasion of Japan, 30%
to 35% of US soldiers would be killed or wounded during the
first 30 days. Truman obviously understood what Leahy said.
The president remarked that the invasion would create another
Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other. The Joint Chiefs
of Staff agreed.
Suddenly, and only after being advised about the buildup of
Japanese forces and fortifications by Magic intelligence,
MacArthur medical staff revised its pre-invasion needs for
hospital beds upwards by 300%. MacArthur's chief surgeon,
Brig. Gen. Guy Denit, estimated that a 120-day campaign to
invade and occupy only the island of Kyushu would result
in 395,000 casualties.
On July 4, 1945, the British agree to the use of the atomic
bomb against Japan. On July 16, during the Potsdam Conference,
the first A-bomb was successfully tested. A way had been found
to end the war quickly and decisively. This was the situation
on July 26 when the US, Britain and China issued the Potsdam
Declaration to Japan to surrender unconditionally, "The
alternative," said the declaration, "is complete and utter
destruction.
This is what the Americans President Truman, Secretary of War
Stimson and Gen. Marshall knew the day before the first atom
bomb fell on Japan. Confronted by an enemy leadership that
was self-deluded, neither prepared to surrender nor to negotiate
seriously, the Americans decided that the only way to end the
war quickly would be to use overwhelming force: nuclear weapons.
Two bombs were dropped. The Russians invaded Manchuria.
On August 10, Emperor Hirohito overruled his militarist
advisors and accepted the Potsdam declaration. Japan
surrendered.
Note:
Under the code name MAGIC, the United States produced summaries
and transcripts of intercepted and deciphered messages between
the Japanese Foreign office and its key personnel and allies
throughout the world from 1938 to 1945.
Sources: "Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire"
By Richard B. Frank, an article "Why Truman Bombed
Hiroshima" from the Wall Street Journal, By Bruce
Lee and "MAGIC the untold story", by David Lowman
Also see:
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/hiroshima/ytruman.htm
Jim Carew sfo
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19 Jul 2005 01:25:41 PM |
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Idiot.
"JCarew" <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:0gbDe.1468$fx4.191@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
JMJ
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dbjdou$er5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
the Joint Chiefs were reading indicated the Japanese
were not about to surrender thus making it necessary
for us to use the A bomb(see below). Only six Americans
were authorized to read these intercepts. President
Truman became one of the six after the death of
Roosevelt.
General Marshall knew prior to the February 1945 Yalta
Conference that Russia would break its nonaggression pact
with Japan and attack Manchuria about 90 days after the
surrender of Germany (VE Day) The Magic Summaries
documented the shift of Soviet troops by rail from Europe
to the Far East for this purpose. We also knew from the
Magic decrypts that the Japanese home islands were to
be defended from invasion and occupation by 2.3 million
troops, another four million Army and Navy employees and
a newly created armed militia numbering 25 million. These
defenders were sworn to fight to the death, which so
many Japanese troops had done in battles throughout the
Pacific.
To effectively invade and occupy Japan, American strategists
foresaw two invasions, scheduled for November 1945 and March
1946. The first invasion, on the island of Kyushu would employ
some 770,000 American troops. The follow-up invasion on the
plains of Tokyo, leading to the forced occupation of Japan,
called for two million American troops.
But according to documents that have been uncovered, a
conference to discuss pre-invasion casualties was held at the
White House on June 18, 1945, between President Truman and the
Joint Chiefs of Staff. From the Pacific, Gen. Douglas MacArthur
submitted rather optimistic casualty estimates. This caused
Adm. William D. Leahy, Truman's military advisor, to take
charge of the session. Based on the experience at Iwo Jima and
Okinawa, Leahy predicted that in an invasion of Japan, 30%
to 35% of US soldiers would be killed or wounded during the
first 30 days. Truman obviously understood what Leahy said.
The president remarked that the invasion would create another
Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other. The Joint Chiefs
of Staff agreed.
Suddenly, and only after being advised about the buildup of
Japanese forces and fortifications by Magic intelligence,
MacArthur medical staff revised its pre-invasion needs for
hospital beds upwards by 300%. MacArthur's chief surgeon,
Brig. Gen. Guy Denit, estimated that a 120-day campaign to
invade and occupy only the island of Kyushu would result
in 395,000 casualties.
On July 4, 1945, the British agree to the use of the atomic
bomb against Japan. On July 16, during the Potsdam Conference,
the first A-bomb was successfully tested. A way had been found
to end the war quickly and decisively. This was the situation
on July 26 when the US, Britain and China issued the Potsdam
Declaration to Japan to surrender unconditionally, "The
alternative," said the declaration, "is complete and utter
destruction.
This is what the Americans President Truman, Secretary of War
Stimson and Gen. Marshall knew the day before the first atom
bomb fell on Japan. Confronted by an enemy leadership that
was self-deluded, neither prepared to surrender nor to negotiate
seriously, the Americans decided that the only way to end the
war quickly would be to use overwhelming force: nuclear weapons.
Two bombs were dropped. The Russians invaded Manchuria.
On August 10, Emperor Hirohito overruled his militarist
advisors and accepted the Potsdam declaration. Japan
surrendered.
Note:
Under the code name MAGIC, the United States produced summaries
and transcripts of intercepted and deciphered messages between
the Japanese Foreign office and its key personnel and allies
throughout the world from 1938 to 1945.
Sources: "Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire"
By Richard B. Frank, an article "Why Truman Bombed
Hiroshima" from the Wall Street Journal, By Bruce
Lee and "MAGIC the untold story", by David Lowman
Also see:
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/hiroshima/ytruman.htm
Jim Carew sfo
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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19 Jul 2005 04:09:21 PM |
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Hit you with too many facts did he? LOL!
"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JAbDe.112602$gc6.77873@okepread04...
Idiot.
"JCarew" <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:0gbDe.1468$fx4.191@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
JMJ
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dbjdou$er5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
the Joint Chiefs were reading indicated the Japanese
were not about to surrender thus making it necessary
for us to use the A bomb(see below). Only six Americans
were authorized to read these intercepts. President
Truman became one of the six after the death of
Roosevelt.
General Marshall knew prior to the February 1945 Yalta
Conference that Russia would break its nonaggression pact
with Japan and attack Manchuria about 90 days after the
surrender of Germany (VE Day) The Magic Summaries
documented the shift of Soviet troops by rail from Europe
to the Far East for this purpose. We also knew from the
Magic decrypts that the Japanese home islands were to
be defended from invasion and occupation by 2.3 million
troops, another four million Army and Navy employees and
a newly created armed militia numbering 25 million. These
defenders were sworn to fight to the death, which so
many Japanese troops had done in battles throughout the
Pacific.
To effectively invade and occupy Japan, American strategists
foresaw two invasions, scheduled for November 1945 and March
1946. The first invasion, on the island of Kyushu would employ
some 770,000 American troops. The follow-up invasion on the
plains of Tokyo, leading to the forced occupation of Japan,
called for two million American troops.
But according to documents that have been uncovered, a
conference to discuss pre-invasion casualties was held at the
White House on June 18, 1945, between President Truman and the
Joint Chiefs of Staff. From the Pacific, Gen. Douglas MacArthur
submitted rather optimistic casualty estimates. This caused
Adm. William D. Leahy, Truman's military advisor, to take
charge of the session. Based on the experience at Iwo Jima and
Okinawa, Leahy predicted that in an invasion of Japan, 30%
to 35% of US soldiers would be killed or wounded during the
first 30 days. Truman obviously understood what Leahy said.
The president remarked that the invasion would create another
Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other. The Joint Chiefs
of Staff agreed.
Suddenly, and only after being advised about the buildup of
Japanese forces and fortifications by Magic intelligence,
MacArthur medical staff revised its pre-invasion needs for
hospital beds upwards by 300%. MacArthur's chief surgeon,
Brig. Gen. Guy Denit, estimated that a 120-day campaign to
invade and occupy only the island of Kyushu would result
in 395,000 casualties.
On July 4, 1945, the British agree to the use of the atomic
bomb against Japan. On July 16, during the Potsdam Conference,
the first A-bomb was successfully tested. A way had been found
to end the war quickly and decisively. This was the situation
on July 26 when the US, Britain and China issued the Potsdam
Declaration to Japan to surrender unconditionally, "The
alternative," said the declaration, "is complete and utter
destruction.
This is what the Americans President Truman, Secretary of War
Stimson and Gen. Marshall knew the day before the first atom
bomb fell on Japan. Confronted by an enemy leadership that
was self-deluded, neither prepared to surrender nor to negotiate
seriously, the Americans decided that the only way to end the
war quickly would be to use overwhelming force: nuclear weapons.
Two bombs were dropped. The Russians invaded Manchuria.
On August 10, Emperor Hirohito overruled his militarist
advisors and accepted the Potsdam declaration. Japan
surrendered.
Note:
Under the code name MAGIC, the United States produced summaries
and transcripts of intercepted and deciphered messages between
the Japanese Foreign office and its key personnel and allies
throughout the world from 1938 to 1945.
Sources: "Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire"
By Richard B. Frank, an article "Why Truman Bombed
Hiroshima" from the Wall Street Journal, By Bruce
Lee and "MAGIC the untold story", by David Lowman
Also see:
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/hiroshima/ytruman.htm
Jim Carew sfo
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| User: "Alexander Glover" |
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19 Jul 2005 10:20:01 PM |
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No, he used only facts that fell in his favor. It is common knowledge
(among historians and political scientists) that the president did not want
to bomb Japan, but saw the loss of both American and Japanese lives would be
higher in a groung conflict. The atomic bombs actually saved lives. Kind
of like the Gatlin gun. It required less soldiers to to operate Gatlin guns
then it took to fire single shot rifles.
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:5_dDe.6071$oZ.4897@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Hit you with too many facts did he? LOL!
"Alexander Glover" <alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JAbDe.112602$gc6.77873@okepread04...
Idiot.
"JCarew" <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:0gbDe.1468$fx4.191@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
JMJ
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dbjdou$er5$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
the Joint Chiefs were reading indicated the Japanese
were not about to surrender thus making it necessary
for us to use the A bomb(see below). Only six Americans
were authorized to read these intercepts. President
Truman became one of the six after the death of
Roosevelt.
General Marshall knew prior to the February 1945 Yalta
Conference that Russia would break its nonaggression pact
with Japan and attack Manchuria about 90 days after the
surrender of Germany (VE Day) The Magic Summaries
documented the shift of Soviet troops by rail from Europe
to the Far East for this purpose. We also knew from the
Magic decrypts that the Japanese home islands were to
be defended from invasion and occupation by 2.3 million
troops, another four million Army and Navy employees and
a newly created armed militia numbering 25 million. These
defenders were sworn to fight to the death, which so
many Japanese troops had done in battles throughout the
Pacific.
To effectively invade and occupy Japan, American strategists
foresaw two invasions, scheduled for November 1945 and March
1946. The first invasion, on the island of Kyushu would employ
some 770,000 American troops. The follow-up invasion on the
plains of Tokyo, leading to the forced occupation of Japan,
called for two million American troops.
But according to documents that have been uncovered, a
conference to discuss pre-invasion casualties was held at the
White House on June 18, 1945, between President Truman and the
Joint Chiefs of Staff. From the Pacific, Gen. Douglas MacArthur
submitted rather optimistic casualty estimates. This caused
Adm. William D. Leahy, Truman's military advisor, to take
charge of the session. Based on the experience at Iwo Jima and
Okinawa, Leahy predicted that in an invasion of Japan, 30%
to 35% of US soldiers would be killed or wounded during the
first 30 days. Truman obviously understood what Leahy said.
The president remarked that the invasion would create another
Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other. The Joint Chiefs
of Staff agreed.
Suddenly, and only after being advised about the buildup of
Japanese forces and fortifications by Magic intelligence,
MacArthur medical staff revised its pre-invasion needs for
hospital beds upwards by 300%. MacArthur's chief surgeon,
Brig. Gen. Guy Denit, estimated that a 120-day campaign to
invade and occupy only the island of Kyushu would result
in 395,000 casualties.
On July 4, 1945, the British agree to the use of the atomic
bomb against Japan. On July 16, during the Potsdam Conference,
the first A-bomb was successfully tested. A way had been found
to end the war quickly and decisively. This was the situation
on July 26 when the US, Britain and China issued the Potsdam
Declaration to Japan to surrender unconditionally, "The
alternative," said the declaration, "is complete and utter
destruction.
This is what the Americans President Truman, Secretary of War
Stimson and Gen. Marshall knew the day before the first atom
bomb fell on Japan. Confronted by an enemy leadership that
was self-deluded, neither prepared to surrender nor to negotiate
seriously, the Americans decided that the only way to end the
war quickly would be to use overwhelming force: nuclear weapons.
Two bombs were dropped. The Russians invaded Manchuria.
On August 10, Emperor Hirohito overruled his militarist
advisors and accepted the Potsdam declaration. Japan
surrendered.
Note:
Under the code name MAGIC, the United States produced summaries
and transcripts of intercepted and deciphered messages between
the Japanese Foreign office and its key personnel and allies
throughout the world from 1938 to 1945.
Sources: "Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire"
By Richard B. Frank, an article "Why Truman Bombed
Hiroshima" from the Wall Street Journal, By Bruce
Lee and "MAGIC the untold story", by David Lowman
Also see:
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/hiroshima/ytruman.htm
Jim Carew sfo
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
19 Jul 2005 10:31:07 PM |
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JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "JCarew" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
19 Jul 2005 11:45:11 PM |
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JMJ
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
snip<
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government
propaganda that says it is necessary to kill hundreds
of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
And your source for your statement above that the
below is goverment "propaganda"?
Why we dropped the A Bomb A
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
the Joint Chiefs were reading indicated the Japanese
were not about to surrender thus making it necessary
for us to use the A bomb(see below). Only six Americans
were authorized to read these intercepts. President
Truman became one of the six after the death of
Roosevelt.
General Marshall knew prior to the February 1945 Yalta
Conference that Russia would break its nonaggression pact
with Japan and attack Manchuria about 90 days after the
surrender of Germany (VE Day) The Magic Summaries
documented the shift of Soviet troops by rail from Europe
to the Far East for this purpose. We also knew from the
Magic decrypts that the Japanese home islands were to
be defended from invasion and occupation by 2.3 million
troops, another four million Army and Navy employees and
a newly created armed militia numbering 25 million. These
defenders were sworn to fight to the death, which so
many Japanese troops had done in battles throughout the
Pacific.
To effectively invade and occupy Japan, American strategists
foresaw two invasions, scheduled for November 1945 and March
1946. The first invasion, on the island of Kyushu would employ
some 770,000 American troops. The follow-up invasion on the
plains of Tokyo, leading to the forced occupation of Japan,
called for two million American troops.
But according to documents that have been uncovered, a
conference to discuss pre-invasion casualties was held at the
White House on June 18, 1945, between President Truman and the
Joint Chiefs of Staff. From the Pacific, Gen. Douglas MacArthur
submitted rather optimistic casualty estimates. This caused
Adm. William D. Leahy, Truman's military advisor, to take
charge of the session. Based on the experience at Iwo Jima and
Okinawa, Leahy predicted that in an invasion of Japan, 30%
to 35% of US soldiers would be killed or wounded during the
first 30 days. Truman obviously understood what Leahy said.
The president remarked that the invasion would create another
Okinawa from one end of Japan to the other. The Joint Chiefs
of Staff agreed.
Suddenly, and only after being advised about the buildup of
Japanese forces and fortifications by Magic intelligence,
MacArthur medical staff revised its pre-invasion needs for
hospital beds upwards by 300%. MacArthur's chief surgeon,
Brig. Gen. Guy Denit, estimated that a 120-day campaign to
invade and occupy only the island of Kyushu would result
in 395,000 casualties.
On July 4, 1945, the British agree to the use of the atomic
bomb against Japan. On July 16, during the Potsdam Conference,
the first A-bomb was successfully tested. A way had been found
to end the war quickly and decisively. This was the situation
on July 26 when the US, Britain and China issued the Potsdam
Declaration to Japan to surrender unconditionally, "The
alternative," said the declaration, "is complete and utter
destruction.
This is what the Americans President Truman, Secretary of War
Stimson and Gen. Marshall knew the day before the first atom
bomb fell on Japan. Confronted by an enemy leadership that
was self-deluded, neither prepared to surrender nor to negotiate
seriously, the Americans decided that the only way to end the
war quickly would be to use overwhelming force: nuclear weapons.
Two bombs were dropped. The Russians invaded Manchuria.
On August 10, Emperor Hirohito overruled his militarist
advisors and accepted the Potsdam declaration. Japan
surrendered.
Note:
Under the code name MAGIC, the United States produced summaries
and transcripts of intercepted and deciphered messages between
the Japanese Foreign office and its key personnel and allies
throughout the world from 1938 to 1945.
Sources: "Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire"
By Richard B. Frank, an article "Why Truman Bombed
Hiroshima" from the Wall Street Journal, By Bruce
Lee and "MAGIC the untold story", by David Lowman
Also see:
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/hiroshima/ytruman.htm
Jim Carew sfo
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 01:30:19 AM |
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JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government
propaganda that says it is necessary to kill hundreds
of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
And your source for your statement above that the
below is goverment "propaganda"?
The victor writes the history books. What a surprise that Allied
crimes are ignored or revised.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "JCarew" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 07:27:55 AM |
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JMJ
"Ray Fischer" wrote
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government
propaganda that says it is necessary to kill hundreds
of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
And your source for your statement above that the
below is goverment "propaganda"?
The victor writes the history books. What a surprise
that Allied crimes are ignored or revised.
Thats not a source as I asked for, just your opinion.
Jim Carew sfo
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 09:00:36 PM |
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JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government
propaganda that says it is necessary to kill hundreds
of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
And your source for your statement above that the
below is goverment "propaganda"?
The victor writes the history books. What a surprise
that Allied crimes are ignored or revised.
Thats not a source as I asked for, just your opinion.
It's at least as good as your opinion.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 05:23:35 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:31:07 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <dbkghq$cj7$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" < > wrote in message
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
Truth is not propaganda. There was no question at the time as to
whether or not the bomb should have been used.
.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 09:01:14 PM |
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Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
Truth is not propaganda.
Maybe, but what you're trying to justify is propaganda.
There was no question at the time as to
Stop lying.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
21 Jul 2005 05:36:57 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:01:14 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <dbmvl9$ud7$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
JCarew <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" < > wrote in message
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Why we dropped the A Bomb
The Magic(see note) summaries President Truman and
We've all seen the propaganda.
Truth is not propaganda.
Maybe, but what you're trying to justify is propaganda.
I am not trying to justify anything. At the time support for ending
the war in any way possible was almost universal. Which meant the
total defeat of the Axis powers, and with minimum Allied losses.
Any other policy was political suicide.
There was no question at the time as to
Stop lying.
I'm not. The so-called 'opposition' was all raised long after the
fact by a generation that was not there. They have not earned the
right to an opinion on this.
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| User: "Ryd" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 05:27:07 AM |
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Attila wrote:
Truth is not propaganda. There was no question at the time as to
whether or not the bomb should have been used.
What planet are you from, Attilla the *****?
Many people questioned it at the time, you fucking liar.
Millions of people still do.
You fucking liar. You fucking *****.
Ryda
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
20 Jul 2005 11:56:10 AM |
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On 20 Jul 2005 03:27:07 -0700, "Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1121855227.529961.14740@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
Truth is not propaganda. There was no question at the time as to
whether or not the bomb should have been used.
What planet are you from, Attilla the *****?
Many people questioned it at the time, you fucking liar.
Not very loudly.
Millions of people still do.
Not still. Most of the weren't even born at the time.
You fucking liar. You fucking *****.
Ryda
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Hiroshima |
19 Jul 2005 01:49:48 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:37:34 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) in alt.abortion with message-id <dbjdou$er5$1@bolt.sonic.net>
wrote:
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
Attila <Attila> wrote:
(Ray Fischer)
jimpgh2002 <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote:
Fart all you want...you're still an idiot. AMERICAN lives
were spared by this in lieu of a ground invasion.
You're a sucker for government propaganda.
Not propaganda - fact. There was no alternative.
Sucker.
Not at all.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. It is only government propaganda that
says it is necessary to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
No, it was necessary to take the war directly to the home islands, and
an invasion was the only way to do that.
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