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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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14 Feb 2007 07:37:13 AM |
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How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744267/posts
Tradition Matters (The Left abandoned civilization)
National Review ^ | November 24, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg
Posted on 11/26/2006 2:02:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
In his brilliant essay "The Great Relearning," Tom Wolfe recounts a
"curious footnote to the hippie movement." In 1968, at the Haight-
Ashbury Free Clinic, doctors found themselves treating diseases "no
living doctor had ever encountered before, diseases that had
disappeared so long ago they had never even picked up Latin names."
These maladies had such names as the mange, the grunge, the itch, the
twitch, the thrush, the rot.
These afflictions materialized because those hippie pilgrims believed
the Man had nothing to teach them, so they turned their backs on
"bourgeois" morality, a category of knowledge that included this thing
called "hygiene." So they enjoyed communal toothbrushes, communal
sheets, communal sex, communal bathwater and communal, like, whatever.
Living like Rousseau's noble savages brought back the twitch, the
thrush and the rot because it was a grand lie that savagery was ever
noble in the first place, and because a lot of that stuff your
grandmother taught you about everything from washing your hands to not
sleeping around actually had practical relevance.
Wolfe's essay has practical relevance, too. The recent elections are
being interpreted - accurately or not - as a repudiation of religious
conservatism. Obviously, this topic can't be settled here - or
anywhere. But as it's Thanksgiving, there's a basic point worth
making: Tradition matters. It matters whether you believe in God or
whether you agree with that esteemed theologian Elton John, who
recently called for a ban on religion because religion, according to
Sir Elton, is bad for gay people.
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says not
to." The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Those hippies got the itch and twitch because they rejected what their
parents taught them. They believed that we could act as if this was
Year Zero and the world could be reinvented and reimagined from
scratch. It's inconceivable that their parents knew what the exact
consequences of rejecting traditional morality would be, but they knew
on a dogmatic level that it was a bad idea.
Traditional rules of conduct emerge over time through a process of
trial and error. To pick an extreme example, the Shakers banned sex
and - surprise! - America is not overrun with Shakers today.
Successful societies learn from their mistakes in time to make
adjustments. Those adjustments become best practices that in turn
become customs, and eventually, those customs become traditions. Those
traditions are passed along from generation to generation, usually
without us knowing all the reasons why they became traditions in the
first place.
Obviously, some of these traditions are outdated and silly. Others are
vital. Even leftists and libertarians who display ritualized contempt
for tradition understand that we do some things today because we've
learned from the mistakes of our forefathers. If everything is open to
revision, then slavery is still a viable option.
Fundamentally, this isn't a point about political conservatism so much
as civilization itself. Cultures have roots - a point we're learning
the hard way in Iraq, where there is no liberal democratic tradition
and we are trying to create one from scratch.
Take Madonna (please). The aging pop star has been in the news lately
because she wants to share her undoubtedly extensive parenting skills
with a child from Malawi. In the 1980s, Madonna was a pioneer of
slattern chic - a hip whorishness that championed doing whatever
floated your boat so long as it expressed your authentic sexuality or
some similar drivel. "Moralizers" claimed she was a bad role model.
The usual suspects clucked at such Comstockery.
Then, in the '90s, Madonna grew weary of shaking her moneymaker for
cash and reinvented herself as a dedicated mother, embarrassed by the
excesses of her youth. This was an easy transition for a
multimillionaire with an entourage so enormous she could brag that she
never changed a diaper. But her change of heart did little good for
the kids from the '80s who took her "papa don't preach" nonsense
seriously. Madonna could afford to learn from her mistakes at the
expense of those who couldn't. That she now agrees, to some extent,
with the moralists is cold comfort to those who subscribed to slattern
chic when young and learned too late that Madonna was a con artist.
In this season of giving thanks, we should thank God for our good
fortune. But we also owe a deep debt of gratitude to the papas - and
mamas - who preached from one generation to the next.
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
14 Feb 2007 10:56:15 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@myway.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744267/posts
Tradition Matters (The Left abandoned civilization)
National Review ^ | November 24, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg
In the immortal words of Roy Edroso, "This is the stupidest thing ever
written, and will remain so until Goldberg writes something else."
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14 Feb 2007 07:56:12 AM |
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On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says not
to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in the
veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and effective
argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural. If their
arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason that they would
invoke God® as the author of their argument is to avoid the sticky
questions that would automatically follow if they presented the
argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
We may have lost our moral compass but we still have our chaste
sextant, our modest flashlight, our ethical pen knife, and our
virtuous canteen. -- jwkinraleigh
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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14 Feb 2007 10:01:22 PM |
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In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says not
to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in the
veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and effective
argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural. If their
arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason that they would
invoke God® as the author of their argument is to avoid the sticky
questions that would automatically follow if they presented the
argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working Atheists?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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15 Feb 2007 12:36:08 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says not
to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in the
veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and effective
argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural. If their
arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason that they would
invoke God® as the author of their argument is to avoid the sticky
questions that would automatically follow if they presented the
argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz do the work
of educating you.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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15 Feb 2007 01:29:01 PM |
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In news:szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says
not to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in the
veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and effective
argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural. If their
arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason that they would
invoke God® as the author of their argument is to avoid the sticky
questions that would automatically follow if they presented the
argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz do
the work of educating you.
I think I found it.
Too bad it isn't a respectable title to many.
And, to think it is a self-imposed label.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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15 Feb 2007 03:19:13 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says
not to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in the
veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and effective
argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural. If their
arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason that they would
invoke God® as the author of their argument is to avoid the sticky
questions that would automatically follow if they presented the
argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz do
the work of educating you.
I think I found it.
You think? That'd be a novelty, in your case.
Too bad it isn't a respectable title to many.
Too bad she's entitled to her own opinion.
And, to think it is a self-imposed label.
So what? She's no threat to me or anyone I know.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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15 Feb 2007 04:30:19 PM |
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In news:szk3b57w23y.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says
not to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in
the veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and
effective argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural.
If their arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason
that they would invoke God® as the author of their argument is to
avoid the sticky questions that would automatically follow if
they presented the argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
I think I found it.
You think? That'd be a novelty, in your case.
Too bad it isn't a respectable title to many.
Too bad she's entitled to her own opinion.
And, to think it is a self-imposed label.
So what? She's no threat to me or anyone I know.
Who said she was?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 Feb 2007 12:10:26 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szk3b57w23y.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless someone
already believes in God, saying "because God says so" has as much
authority as saying "don't do that because my umbrella stand says
not to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have no
more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in
the veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and
effective argument divorced from their faith in the supernatural.
If their arguments have pragmatic merit, then the only reason
that they would invoke God® as the author of their argument is to
avoid the sticky questions that would automatically follow if
they presented the argument as their own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
I think I found it.
You think? That'd be a novelty, in your case.
Too bad it isn't a respectable title to many.
Too bad she's entitled to her own opinion.
And, to think it is a self-imposed label.
So what? She's no threat to me or anyone I know.
Who said she was?
Let's see: who's the one acting like it's a threat? (Free clue: it's one
John D. Wentzky.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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16 Feb 2007 09:37:57 AM |
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In news:szk4ppmpr8t.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szk3b57w23y.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 14 Feb 2007 05:37:13 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> in news message
<1171460233.471055.258000@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
I respect theological arguments for morality. But unless
someone already believes in God, saying "because God says so"
has as much authority as saying "don't do that because my
umbrella stand says not to."
Then why are theological arguments respected. They should have
no more authority than your umbrella stand.
The fact is that traditional morality has practical authority
independent of whether God exists and whether we know His will.
Then, I must wonder why religious people wrap their arguments in
the veil of the divine rather than finding a practical and
effective argument divorced from their faith in the
supernatural. If their arguments have pragmatic merit, then the
only reason that they would invoke God® as the author of their
argument is to avoid the sticky questions that would
automatically follow if they presented the argument as their
own instead of God®'s.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
I think I found it.
You think? That'd be a novelty, in your case.
Too bad it isn't a respectable title to many.
Too bad she's entitled to her own opinion.
And, to think it is a self-imposed label.
So what? She's no threat to me or anyone I know.
Who said she was?
Let's see: who's the one acting like it's a threat?
It isn't me.
(Free clue: it's one John D. Wentzky.)
How do you arrive at these determinations?
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| User: "Liz" |
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15 Feb 2007 06:04:35 AM |
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On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz do the work
of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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15 Feb 2007 01:34:03 PM |
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In news:rui8t2p2kts871qmdub5nf5smtq3jvpmhb@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
Überwench #658
Unter, nicht uber.
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Brazen Associate of Anti-woman Alliance.
Charter Member of SMASH
Sucks for Me to be Another ***** Head.
and Queen of the known universe
The King gave you that title?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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15 Feb 2007 03:22:17 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:rui8t2p2kts871qmdub5nf5smtq3jvpmhb@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
Überwench #658
Unter, nicht uber.
Durak. (She's a bit more cogent than you've been in years.)
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Brazen Associate of Anti-woman Alliance.
Quit abusing your medications.
Charter Member of SMASH
Sucks for Me to be Another ***** Head.
I don't think the real SMASH would accept you, for obvious reasons.
and Queen of the known universe
The King gave you that title?
What's it like, being unable to understand the majority of what you read (when
it suits your purposes)?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 06:03:51 PM |
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On 15 Feb 2007 15:22:17 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szky7mzunee.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:rui8t2p2kts871qmdub5nf5smtq3jvpmhb@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
Überwench #658
Unter, nicht uber.
Durak. (She's a bit more cogent than you've been in years.)
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Brazen Associate of Anti-woman Alliance.
Quit abusing your medications.
Charter Member of SMASH
Sucks for Me to be Another ***** Head.
I don't think the real SMASH would accept you, for obvious reasons.
and Queen of the known universe
The King gave you that title?
What's it like, being unable to understand the majority of what you read (when
it suits your purposes)?
It doesn't take much to get him going, does it. He must be in one of
his manic phases.
Liz #658 BAAWA
The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that
their interests and his own are the same -- Stendhal
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15 Feb 2007 08:06:32 PM |
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In news:44t9t2tndrrmn4j699i8nojlcideebqr2v@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 15 Feb 2007 15:22:17 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szky7mzunee.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:rui8t2p2kts871qmdub5nf5smtq3jvpmhb@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
Überwench #658
Unter, nicht uber.
Durak. (She's a bit more cogent than you've been in years.)
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Brazen Associate of Anti-woman Alliance.
Quit abusing your medications.
Charter Member of SMASH
Sucks for Me to be Another ***** Head.
I don't think the real SMASH would accept you, for obvious reasons.
and Queen of the known universe
The King gave you that title?
What's it like, being unable to understand the majority of what you
read (when it suits your purposes)?
It doesn't take much to get him going, does it. He must be in one of
his manic phases.
You don't like me already?
Liz #658 BAAWA
What caused you to adopt this BAAWA designation?
The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that
their interests and his own are the same -- Stendhal
Do you mean if someone has to kill sheep for people to eat and to make wool
garments he must tell them they are going to die before their 'appointed'
time?
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16 Feb 2007 12:18:15 AM |
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Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> writes:
On 15 Feb 2007 15:22:17 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szky7mzunee.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:rui8t2p2kts871qmdub5nf5smtq3jvpmhb@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz
do the work of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
Überwench #658
Unter, nicht uber.
Durak. (She's a bit more cogent than you've been in years.)
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Brazen Associate of Anti-woman Alliance.
Quit abusing your medications.
Charter Member of SMASH
Sucks for Me to be Another ***** Head.
I don't think the real SMASH would accept you, for obvious reasons.
and Queen of the known universe
The King gave you that title?
What's it like, being unable to understand the majority of what you read
(when it suits your purposes)?
It doesn't take much to get him going, does it. He must be in one of
his manic phases.
Make that manic *and* massively delusional phases.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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15 Feb 2007 10:29:36 AM |
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Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> writes:
On 15 Feb 2007 00:36:08 -0600, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> in news message <szk4ppo53mv.fsf@eris.io.com>
wrote:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[---]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working Atheists?
No, and you won't like the actual meaning of it - but I'll let Liz do the
work of educating you.
He's uneducable, and he isn't even fun.
He's useful for target practice, if nothing else.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
I'm not up to the BAAWA yet, but I'm on the way...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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15 Feb 2007 06:02:14 AM |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found you? -
JessHC
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 01:39:03 PM |
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In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Now, wait.
If you are only trying to educate people that there are people out there who
are so evil that they are predatorial upon all those who are Christian (or
otherwise) innocents, unsuspecting of the evildoers' ways, then maybe you
would score more points by telling them in a more direct fashion than by
only posting things that seem not to provide them with enough information to
enable them to guard against such predators sufficiently.
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 01:36:29 PM |
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In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Without people like you in the world there is no stupidity in his teachings.
See how you are the fly in the ointment now?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 03:26:39 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Without people like you in the world there is no stupidity in his teachings.
In that acse, his teachings were stupid to begin with, if you really believe
that. (That's assuming, of course, that there ever was such a person.)
See how you are the fly in the ointment now?
Free clue: churches aren't supposed to be trying to make laws for the rest of
society, in this country.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 04:37:29 PM |
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In news:szkmz3fun74.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Without people like you in the world there is no stupidity in his
teachings.
In that acse, his teachings were stupid to begin with, if you really
believe that. (That's assuming, of course, that there ever was such
a person.)
It isn't like He, not referring to Ray Fischer (who typed "I am He"), never
told anyone to beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing.
See how you are the fly in the ointment now?
Free clue: churches aren't supposed to be trying to make laws for
the rest of society, in this country.
There is no way to exclude religious persons from government service though.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
16 Feb 2007 12:16:41 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szkmz3fun74.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Without people like you in the world there is no stupidity in his
teachings.
In that case, his teachings were stupid to begin with, if you really
believe that. (That's assuming, of course, that there ever was such
a person.)
It isn't like He, not referring to Ray Fischer (who typed "I am He"), never
told anyone to beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing.
Not even a decent attempt to try and force the conversation away from your
inability to read.
See how you are the fly in the ointment now?
Free clue: churches aren't supposed to be trying to make laws for
the rest of society, in this country.
There is no way to exclude religious persons from government service though.
They try putting their creed into law, and it might be time to revive
crucifiction.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
16 Feb 2007 09:55:47 AM |
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In news:szkr6sqocdy.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szkmz3fun74.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he
found you? - JessHC
Without people like you in the world there is no stupidity in his
teachings.
In that case, his teachings were stupid to begin with, if you really
believe that. (That's assuming, of course, that there ever was such
a person.)
It isn't like He, not referring to Ray Fischer (who typed "I am
He"), never told anyone to beware of wolves in sheeps' clothing.
Not even a decent attempt to try and force the conversation away from
your inability to read.
Referring to your attempt to erase the name of Christ from the earth?
See how you are the fly in the ointment now?
Free clue: churches aren't supposed to be trying to make laws for
the rest of society, in this country.
There is no way to exclude religious persons from government service
though.
They try putting their creed into law, and it might be time to revive
crucifiction.
Which parts of their creed?
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 01:35:41 PM |
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In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 03:24:00 PM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Thank you for being a flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
One small problem - he's not exactly been proven to ever have existed,
remember?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 04:32:58 PM |
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In news:szksld7unbj.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Thank you for being a flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
One small problem - he's not exactly been proven to ever have existed,
remember?
The historian Josephus wrote about him.
You got Roman Census documents on you to show me from ~0-40AD?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
16 Feb 2007 12:13:02 AM |
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"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szksld7unbj.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Thank you for being a flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
One small problem - he's not exactly been proven to ever have existed,
remember?
The historian Josephus wrote about him.
You got Roman Census documents on you to show me from ~0-40AD?
Funny how there seem to be no contemporary accounts of his existence from AUC
763 to around 796 or 797, which would be unusual for such an allegedly
important event.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 4, Houston 3 (February 11)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, February 17 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
16 Feb 2007 09:48:30 AM |
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In news:szkzm7eock1.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szksld7unbj.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Thank you for being a flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he
found you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
One small problem - he's not exactly been proven to ever have
existed, remember?
The historian Josephus wrote about him.
You got Roman Census documents on you to show me from ~0-40AD?
Funny how there seem to be no contemporary accounts of his existence
from AUC 763 to around 796 or 797, which would be unusual for such an
allegedly important event.
Any census document or execution record made by the Roman Empire would
suffice as contemporary.
But, while you're at it, maybe you should think about the population of the
world during that time frame and ask yourself if there are any contemporary
accounts of every persons' existence.
How about contemporary Jewish accounts?
Etc, etc, etc.
Why is it that Jesus is mentioned in the Koran?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
16 Feb 2007 10:48:44 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:48:30 -0500, in alt.atheism
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
<xnkBh.6292$e8.4695@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
In news:szkzm7eock1.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:szksld7unbj.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Thank you for being a flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he
found you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
One small problem - he's not exactly been proven to ever have
existed, remember?
The historian Josephus wrote about him.
You got Roman Census documents on you to show me from ~0-40AD?
Funny how there seem to be no contemporary accounts of his existence
from AUC 763 to around 796 or 797, which would be unusual for such an
allegedly important event.
Any census document or execution record made by the Roman Empire would
suffice as contemporary.
But, while you're at it, maybe you should think about the population of the
world during that time frame and ask yourself if there are any contemporary
accounts of every persons' existence.
How about contemporary Jewish accounts?
Etc, etc, etc.
Why is it that Jesus is mentioned in the Koran?
Because Mohammed was familiar with Christianity and Judaism.
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| User: "John D.Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: How The Left Abandoned Civilization |
15 Feb 2007 04:33:43 PM |
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In news:szksld7unbj.fsf@eris.io.com,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> typed:
"John D.Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In news:1mi8t2l5nv0cvih3r947kq7aikn7tvfcdi@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:01:22 -0500, "John D.Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in news message
<AWQAh.39528$I8.24735@bignews8.bellsouth.net> wrote:
In news:is46t25ns65k8726ppmf8vj2noropnj4fa@4ax.com,
Liz <ehuth1@donotspam.com> typed:
[----]
Liz #658 BAAWA
Does that stand for Betterment Association of American Working
Atheists?
No, it doesn't, you flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Thank you for the exaltation above yourself.
Thank you for being a flatulent-mouthed idiot.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Did Jesus make you this stupid, or were you like that when he found
you? - JessHC
Of course he made people 'that' stupid.
That is how he gets to kick your *****.
One small problem - he's not exactly been proven to ever have existed,
remember?
You got all the Roman execution records on you?
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