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"Maaxx" |
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17 Feb 2005 04:16:52 PM |
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Howard Dean exposes his true colors |
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC, it's time to recap
some of the greatest hits of the man who's now the official face of the
Democratic Party. Enjoy!
Religion
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality is a
sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
"After hearing Dr Dean's observation, beginning with 'If you know much
about the Bible - which I do', a reporter asked about his favourite New
Testament book. Dr Dean named Job, adding, 'But I don't like the way it
ends... in some of the books of the New Testament; the ending of the Book
of Job is different... There's one book where there's a more optimistic
ending, which we believe was tacked on later'. The candidate returned an
hour later to confess error: Job was in the Old Testament, not the New.
Beyond that slip, his recollection of 'one book where there's a more
optimistic ending' is muddled; the Book of Job in the Old Testament has an
upbeat ending, with God doubling Job's former wealth and giving him new
children for having sustained his piety through all his trials."
-- William Safire describes Howard Dean's difficulties with Job.
"Dean himself moved from Episcopalian to Congregationalist "because I had
a big fight with a local Episcopal church about 25 years ago over the bike
path." He does not hesitate to reveal this information or to declare that
he seldom goes to church." -- Robert Novak
"My view of Christianity . is that the hallmark of being a Christian is to
reach out to people who have been left behind. So I think there was a
religious aspect to my decision to support civil unions." -- Howard Dean
Republicans
"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for..." -- Howard Dean
"I think a library trustee is pretty important," Dean said, during "an
administration that likes book burning more than reading books." -- Howard
Dean as quoted by USA Today
"The truth is the President of the United States used the same device that
Slobodan Milosevic used in Serbia. When you appeal to homophobia, when you
appeal to sexism, when you appeal to racism, that is extraordinarily
damaging to the country." -- Howard Dean
Misc
"I don’t know. There are many theories about (9/11). The most interesting
theory that I’ve heard so far—which is nothing more than a theory, it
can’t be proved—is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who
knows what the real situation is? But the trouble is, by suppressing that
kind of information, you lead to those kind of theories, whether they have
any truth to them or not, and eventually, they get repeated as fact. So I
think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the key
information that needs to go to the Kean Commission." -- Howard Dean
"I told Steve McMahon, the media guy for Dean, who was on 'Crossfire': You
have one of the three most influential presidential campaigns of my
lifetime. That's the good news. The bad news is the other two are McGovern
and Goldwater." -- James Carville
"For me as a political figure, it was in many ways the most important
event in my political life. There aren’t many people who get to do what I
did." -- Howard Dean on Vermont's Civil Unions Law
"Not only are we going to New Hampshire ... we're going to South Carolina
and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going
to California and Texas and New York! And we're going to South Dakota and
Oregon and Washington and Michigan. And then we're going to Washington,
D.C. to take back the White House, Yeeeeeaaaaaargh!" -- Howard Dean in the
Iowa concession speech that proved to be the final nail in his campaign's
coffin
"We have got to stop having the campaigns run in this country based on
abortion, guns, God and gays..." -- Howard Dean
Race
"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their
pickup trucks." -- Howard Dean
"I believe that the flag of the Confederate States of America is a painful
symbol and reminder of racial injustice and slavery which (Abraham)
Lincoln denounced from here over 150 years ago." -- Howard Dean
"We're going to tell all those white boys who run the Republican Party to
stay out of our bedrooms." -- Howard Dean forgets what color he is.
"You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of
color in a single room? Only if they had the hotel staff in here." --
Howard Dean
"Dealing with race is about educating white folks..." -- Howard Dean
The War On Terrorism
"It's a victory for the Iraqi people ... but it doesn't have any effect on
whether we should or shouldn't have had a war. ...I think in general the
ends do not justify the means." -- Howard Dean after we blew away Uday &
Qusay Hussein
"We've gotten rid of (Saddam Hussein), and I suppose that's a good thing"
-- Howard Dean, April 9, 2003
"We don't know that yet. We don't know that yet, Wolf. We still have a
country whose city is mostly without electricity. We have tumultuous
occasions in the south where there is no clear governance. We have a major
city without clear governance." -- Howard Dean's reply when he was asked
if he Iraq was better off without Saddam, April 23, 2003
"...The capture of Saddam has not made America safer." -- Howard Dean
"I've resisted pronouncing a sentence before guilt is found. I will have
this old-fashioned notion that even with people like Osama, who is very
likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of
executive power, not to prejudge jury trials." -- Howard Dean on Bin Laden
"(9/11 & the aftermath will) require a re-evaluation of the importance of
some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be
debates about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind
of freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to
ask for your ID just because you're walking down the street." -- Howard
Dean after 9/11
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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18 Feb 2005 09:19:40 AM |
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"ElaineJ" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1108681658.605452.231310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Maaxx wrote:
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC,
Wow. So Dean is "running" the DNC. Who's talking advantage of your
lack of information about democracy and Democrats, son?
-snip-
Religion
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality
is a sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
And if there was anything in the New Testament on this subject, we
Christians would know what the Bible says.
But there isn't, and you obviously don't know.
No, you just have your talking points list to get through, and dissing
*****-moes on the net is up near the top of your list.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:26-27: For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions.
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same
way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed
with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and
received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
Matthew 15:19-20: For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder,
adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what
defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile. [Sexual
relations outside wedlock are condemned – since homosexuals cannot marry
their actions are sinful]
Jude 1:7: What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is
an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these
cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels did,
because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities.
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| User: "Lazarus" |
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18 Feb 2005 10:45:01 AM |
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"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote...
"ElaineJ" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote:
Maaxx wrote:
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality
is a sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
And if there was anything in the New Testament on this subject, we
Christians would know what the Bible says.
But there isn't, and you obviously don't know.
No, you just have your talking points list to get through, and dissing
*****-moes on the net is up near the top of your list.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God.
You're new to Christianity, I see. Did you know that the word "homosexual"
did not appear in any English translation of the Bible until 1947?
Romans 1:26-27: For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions.
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same
way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed
with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and
received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
Romans 1 and 2 must be read together in order for Paul's message to come
through.
Matthew 15:19-20: For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder,
adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what
defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile. [Sexual
relations outside wedlock are condemned - since homosexuals cannot marry
their actions are sinful]
Putting words in Jesus' mouth now? Is there no limit to your heresy and
depravity?
Jude 1:7: What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is
an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these
cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels did,
because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities.
Now you are just making stuff up. Sodom and Gomorrah became the objects of
God's wrath because the citizens there wanted to _rape_ Lot's visitors. For
my money, and undoubtedly for God's as well, rape is far more repugnant than
anything done in private between consenting adults.
And it is very important to note what Lot did in this situation. In order
to protect his visitors, he offered up his own daughters to be raped. Not
exactly our idea of traditional family values. If you want to make an
argument of how far we have strayed from godliness, etc, be my guest.
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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19 Feb 2005 10:41:38 AM |
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"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in
news:1108745037.5b0b4facc4d2f7a8a7524eb2b8272785@teranews:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote...
"ElaineJ" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote:
Maaxx wrote:
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality
is a sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
And if there was anything in the New Testament on this subject, we
Christians would know what the Bible says.
But there isn't, and you obviously don't know.
No, you just have your talking points list to get through, and
dissing *****-moes on the net is up near the top of your list.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral
nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual
offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor
swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
You're new to Christianity, I see. Did you know that the word
"homosexual" did not appear in any English translation of the Bible
until 1947?
That's because the word "homosexual" is a fairly modern term not appearing
in the English language until the 1900s. However, while the word is new,
the concept is very old. The Hebrew language and Greek language used
different terms to describe what we call homosexuality. Even seventeenth
century English used different terms (as found in the King James Version).
Many modern versions of the Bible include the word "homosexual", as a
matter of translation -- not interpretation.
Romans 1:26-27: For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions.
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the
same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were
consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts
with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their
error.
Romans 1 and 2 must be read together in order for Paul's message to come
through.
Matthew 15:19-20: For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder,
adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what
defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.
[Sexual relations outside wedlock are condemned - since homosexuals
cannot marry their actions are sinful]
Putting words in Jesus' mouth now? Is there no limit to your heresy and
depravity?
Jude 1:7: What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them
is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of
these cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels
did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual
activities.
Now you are just making stuff up. Sodom and Gomorrah became the objects
of God's wrath because the citizens there wanted to _rape_ Lot's
visitors.
Not according to Jude.
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| User: "Lazarus" |
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21 Feb 2005 09:21:51 AM |
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"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote...
"ElaineJ" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote:
Maaxx wrote:
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality
is a sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
And if there was anything in the New Testament on this subject, we
Christians would know what the Bible says.
But there isn't, and you obviously don't know.
No, you just have your talking points list to get through, and
dissing *****-moes on the net is up near the top of your list.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral
nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual
offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor
swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
You're new to Christianity, I see. Did you know that the word
"homosexual" did not appear in any English translation of the Bible
until 1947?
That's because the word "homosexual" is a fairly modern term not appearing
in the English language until the 1900s. However, while the word is new,
the concept is very old. The Hebrew language and Greek language used
different terms to describe what we call homosexuality. Even seventeenth
century English used different terms (as found in the King James Version).
Many modern versions of the Bible include the word "homosexual", as a
matter of translation -- not interpretation.
They would be in error then, because in the original Greek, Paul condemned
effeminancy, not homosexuality. Besides, adultery is also listed. That's
hardly startling until you remember that in Luke 16:18, Jesus Christ defined
a man or woman who has divorced and remarried as also being an adulterer.
Think of the number of people in your church who have divorced and
remarried. Are you selecting one sin as being worse than another? Does
your church perform weddings for these divorced and remarrying adulterers?
If homosexuals (or more accurately, effeminant men) are to be condemned,
should not these divorced and remarried adulterers also be condemned? Can
you apply the same rules to divorced and remarried adulterers as you apply
to homosexuals? Or are you intent on picking on homosexuals?
Romans 1:26-27: For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions.
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the
same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were
consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts
with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their
error.
Romans 1 and 2 must be read together in order for Paul's message to come
through.
No response? 'Cause you see, waving Romans 1 around without Romans 2 is a
classic example of text-proofing - ripping passages kicking and screaming
out of context - an unreliable and undisciplined approach to Bible exegesis.
The meaning of Romans 1 becomes clear in Romans 2, where Paul springs his
trap. Read it for yourself to see what I mean.
Matthew 15:19-20: For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder,
adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what
defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.
[Sexual relations outside wedlock are condemned - since homosexuals
cannot marry their actions are sinful]
Putting words in Jesus' mouth now? Is there no limit to your heresy and
depravity?
No response?
Jude 1:7: What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them
is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of
these cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels
did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual
activities.
Now you are just making stuff up. Sodom and Gomorrah became the objects
of God's wrath because the citizens there wanted to _rape_ Lot's
visitors.
Not according to Jude.
You can read the original story in Genesis, clod. Furthermore, the word
"homosexual" does not appear in any English translation of Jude that I am
familiar with. You're actually forging Bible passages! Did you think you
wouldn't get caught?
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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18 Feb 2005 09:39:36 AM |
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Maaxx wrote:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you not know that the wicked will not
inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor
idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual
offenders nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers
will
inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 1:26-27: For this reason God gave them up to degrading
passions.
Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the
same
way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were
consumed
with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men
and
received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
Matthew 15:19-20: For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder,
adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what
defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile.
[Sexual
relations outside wedlock are condemned - since homosexuals cannot
marry
their actions are sinful]
Jude 1:7: What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near
them is
an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of
these
cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels did,
because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual
activities.
does this suggest that you want to take some action against the bush
white house male prostitution / fake reporter ring?
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| User: "Milan" |
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17 Feb 2005 04:42:45 PM |
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"Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1716.17022005@p19.cab52.soviet.dragon.cccp...
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC, it's time to recap
some of the greatest hits of the man who's now the official face of the
Democratic Party. Enjoy!
I dont know whether I'm following your drift here. With the exception of the
gaffe regarding the book of Job, what is there in the list of Dean's quotes
you enumerate not to agree with?
regards
Milan
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| User: "Miss Anne Thrope" |
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17 Feb 2005 09:30:05 PM |
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And yet he seems twice as intelligent as the turnip currently loitering
in the white house.
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| User: "James Beck" |
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18 Feb 2005 08:27:22 AM |
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In article <1716.17022005@p19.cab52.soviet.dragon.cccp>,
says...
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC, it's time to recap
some of the greatest hits of the man who's now the official face of the
Democratic Party. Enjoy!
Religion
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality is a
sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
Well, if God created man in his own image, he must have a little pickle
smoocher in him, wouldn't you say, and from all accounts Jesus got
nailed by a couple of guys.
Jim
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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17 Feb 2005 10:32:28 PM |
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Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC, it's time to recap
some of the greatest hits of the man who's now the official face of the
Democratic Party. Enjoy!
Bush has caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people and raided
the US treasury of trillins of dollars.
How does that compare with Dean?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "raven1" |
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17 Feb 2005 06:29:39 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:16:52 -0500 (EST), "Maaxx" <maaxx@xrs.net>
wrote:
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC, it's time to recap
some of the greatest hits of the man who's now the official face of the
Democratic Party. Enjoy!
Religion
"From a religious point of view, if God had thought homosexuality is a
sin, he would not have created gay people." -- Howard Dean
"After hearing Dr Dean's observation, beginning with 'If you know much
about the Bible - which I do', a reporter asked about his favourite New
Testament book. Dr Dean named Job, adding, 'But I don't like the way it
ends... in some of the books of the New Testament; the ending of the Book
of Job is different... There's one book where there's a more optimistic
ending, which we believe was tacked on later'. The candidate returned an
hour later to confess error: Job was in the Old Testament, not the New.
Beyond that slip, his recollection of 'one book where there's a more
optimistic ending' is muddled; the Book of Job in the Old Testament has an
upbeat ending, with God doubling Job's former wealth and giving him new
children for having sustained his piety through all his trials."
-- William Safire describes Howard Dean's difficulties with Job.
Other than this bit of confusion (which is entirely understandable, as
99% of the Christians who post on alt.atheism seem completely clueless
as to the actual contents of the Bible), what, specifically do you
object to in Dean's remarks?
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| User: "MarkA" |
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18 Feb 2005 06:52:34 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:16:52 -0500, Maaxx wrote:
Now that "Mad How" is back in business running the DNC, it's time to recap
some of the greatest hits of the man who's now the official face of the
Democratic Party. Enjoy!
.....a Bush supporter posting a list of "memorable quotes" from Dean???
Now THAT'S funny! If the present administration is any indication, saying
(and doing) idiotic things is a sure ticket into the Oval Office!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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