Miriam Cohen wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:35:33 -0400, dxAce wrote:

Nah, the immigration debate is merely about enforcing the law as it is currently
written and it is certainly not "made-up".

So where was this "debate" six months ago? Where was all this
manufactured "outrage" during the entirety of 2005? Did something change
suddenly? Or could the difference be the fact that 2006 is an election
year?

Not sure, I've been asking my legislators to look into this matter for years.

It seems as though you would prefer that it not be enforced.

I prefer that immigrants, both legal and illegal, be shown the respect and
caring that they deserve as human beings. This is, it seems, at odds with
the wishes of the Right.

Once again you're wrong. Only wish is that they respect the law.

Yet again, I think you favour illegal immigration.

There are some of us that prefer "their" company to yours and that of
other bigots.

Something stopping you from moving, Miriam?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:51:51 -0700, wrongaddress wrote:

Miriam Cohen wrote:

wrongaddress@att.net wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

In fact some of us welcome them. This country was founded on immigration
and diversity is one of the big things that has made us so successful. Los
Angeles is one of the most diverse cities in the world and is by far the
better for it. You don't like that just because it means that your white
skin no longer makes you "special." Too fucking bad, bigot. The rest of
us can get along just fine without you.
--

Los Angeles is 46% Hispanic, 29% white, and not much of anything else.
Where do you get this _diverse_ idea? LA has become Mexico City, and
they waive Mexican flags to assert their ownership of California while
they protest in the streets.

OK, let's just ignore all the African Americans, the Chinese, the
Vietnamese and all the other non white, non Hispanics that live in LA.
You do know what LA stands for don't you? El pueblo de Nostra Dama de
los Angeles is the city's first name, people call it Los Angeles for
short. There is lots and lots of information on LA on the web, you might
want to check some of it out before you make ridiculous claims like
those you made above. Your "not much of anything else" is a blatant lie
and everyone knows it.

Not much of anything else refers to, not much of anything else that's
ILLEGAL.

"Not much of anything else," if you'll go back and have someone read it to
you, was referring to _diversity_, not "legality."

The California state budget is 10.5 billion in the red due to illegal
immigrants. That's about 10 cents on the dollar. Maybe we should raise
taxes 10% to cover the freeloaders? But I don't want to pay it, maybe
you do?

Gee, and here I thought the California budget was in the red because of
the economy, the collapse of the Internet bubble and a bunch of other
stuff unrelated to immigration. Silly me.

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:51:51 -0700, wrongaddress wrote:

Miriam Cohen wrote:

wrongaddress@att.net wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

In fact some of us welcome them. This country was founded on immigration
and diversity is one of the big things that has made us so successful. Los
Angeles is one of the most diverse cities in the world and is by far the
better for it. You don't like that just because it means that your white
skin no longer makes you "special." Too fucking bad, bigot. The rest of
us can get along just fine without you.
--

Los Angeles is 46% Hispanic, 29% white, and not much of anything else.
Where do you get this _diverse_ idea? LA has become Mexico City, and
they waive Mexican flags to assert their ownership of California while
they protest in the streets.

OK, let's just ignore all the African Americans, the Chinese, the
Vietnamese and all the other non white, non Hispanics that live in LA.
You do know what LA stands for don't you? El pueblo de Nostra Dama de
los Angeles is the city's first name, people call it Los Angeles for
short. There is lots and lots of information on LA on the web, you might
want to check some of it out before you make ridiculous claims like
those you made above. Your "not much of anything else" is a blatant lie
and everyone knows it.

Not much of anything else refers to, not much of anything else that's
ILLEGAL.

"Not much of anything else," if you'll go back and have someone read it to
you, was referring to _diversity_, not "legality."

The California state budget is 10.5 billion in the red due to illegal
immigrants. That's about 10 cents on the dollar. Maybe we should raise
taxes 10% to cover the freeloaders? But I don't want to pay it, maybe
you do?

Gee, and here I thought the California budget was in the red because of
the economy, the collapse of the Internet bubble and a bunch of other
stuff unrelated to immigration. Silly me.

This is the constant claim, that "illegal immigration" is costing
taxpayer money. It's *****.

--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:57:04 -0700, wrongaddress wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

In fact some of us welcome them. This country was founded on immigration
and diversity is one of the big things that has made us so successful. Los
Angeles is one of the most diverse cities in the world and is by far the
better for it. You don't like that just because it means that your white
skin no longer makes you "special." Too fucking bad, bigot. The rest of
us can get along just fine without you.

Los Angeles is 46% Hispanic, 29% white, and not much of anything else.
Where do you get this _diverse_ idea? LA has become Mexico City, and
they waive Mexican flags to assert their ownership of California while
they protest in the streets.

Firstly, given your numbers, that's a total of 75%. So where's the other
quarter? Also, "latino" isn't the same as "hispanic," the term includes
people from all of Latin America. The web page you cite says that Black
and Asian constitute another 11.2 and 10 percent, respectively. That's
"not much of anything else?"

Secondly, the Los Angeles area is not just the city itself, it's the
metropolitan area. That metropolitan area includes a number of cities
which are dominated by one ethnic group or another. (As an example, San
Gabriel and Monterey Park are dominated (one might say "overwhelmingly")
by Asian people.)

Thirdly, do you live here? Do you have any idea how many different kinds
of people one deals with daily? Chinese, Indian, Hispanic, Pakistani,
Bangladeshi, Japanese, Korean, English, French, German, Australian,
Iranian, various nationalities of African, you name it. Not every day,
maybe, but I've dealt with all of those over the last year. It is more
diverse by far than any other city I've visited except San Francisco and
New York.

Fourthly, you probably didn't notice (because you weren't watching) but a
whole lot of the people that marched on that Monday a few weeks ago
_weren't_ Hispanic. As might be expected, they dominated, but there were
all ethnicities in those crowds. Including not a small number of whites,
as it happens.

_Finally_, and perhaps most importantly, those people were quite
definitely _not_ "asserting their ownership of California." They were
asserting their _membership_ in American society and culture. They were
saying that they are here, they are part of America and that they deserve
respect. They don't want to make Los Angeles "part of Mexico," they want
to be _Americans_. Citizens of the United States. And they want, and
should get, _respect_. The respect that bigots like you would deny them.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:57:04 -0700, wrongaddress wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

In fact some of us welcome them. This country was founded on immigration
and diversity is one of the big things that has made us so successful. Los
Angeles is one of the most diverse cities in the world and is by far the
better for it. You don't like that just because it means that your white
skin no longer makes you "special." Too fucking bad, bigot. The rest of
us can get along just fine without you.

Los Angeles is 46% Hispanic, 29% white, and not much of anything else.
Where do you get this _diverse_ idea? LA has become Mexico City, and
they waive Mexican flags to assert their ownership of California while
they protest in the streets.

Firstly, given your numbers, that's a total of 75%. So where's the other
quarter? Also, "latino" isn't the same as "hispanic," the term includes
people from all of Latin America. The web page you cite says that Black
and Asian constitute another 11.2 and 10 percent, respectively. That's
"not much of anything else?"

Secondly, the Los Angeles area is not just the city itself, it's the
metropolitan area. That metropolitan area includes a number of cities
which are dominated by one ethnic group or another. (As an example, San
Gabriel and Monterey Park are dominated (one might say "overwhelmingly")
by Asian people.)

Thirdly, do you live here? Do you have any idea how many different kinds
of people one deals with daily? Chinese, Indian, Hispanic, Pakistani,
Bangladeshi, Japanese, Korean, English, French, German, Australian,
Iranian, various nationalities of African, you name it. Not every day,
maybe, but I've dealt with all of those over the last year. It is more
diverse by far than any other city I've visited except San Francisco and
New York.

Fourthly, you probably didn't notice (because you weren't watching) but a
whole lot of the people that marched on that Monday a few weeks ago
_weren't_ Hispanic. As might be expected, they dominated, but there were
all ethnicities in those crowds. Including not a small number of whites,
as it happens.

_Finally_, and perhaps most importantly, those people were quite
definitely _not_ "asserting their ownership of California." They were
asserting their _membership_ in American society and culture. They were
saying that they are here, they are part of America and that they deserve
respect. They don't want to make Los Angeles "part of Mexico," they want
to be _Americans_. Citizens of the United States. And they want, and
should get, _respect_. The respect that bigots like you would deny them.
--

Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/

Frank Mayhar wrote:

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:23:05 +0000, Graphic Queen wrote:

Nope, I don't lie but then you do have your own views but they are
wrong. LA is a Mexican city these days.

Well, gee, that must explain why everyone is being forced to learn
Spanish.

Or not.

I was born there and I know
what LA used to be and what it is now. It is a shithole these days.

You mean, "it's no longer being solely run by whites nowadays." Which to
the rest of us is a _good_ thing. But to you that makes it a "shithole"
because you're no longer in your safe little preferred position. Which
you need because you are unable to succeed through your own abilities,
right?

Of
course California is nothing but a Communist state anymore anyway.

Uh, right. A "communist state" that elected the Governator a few years
ago. Be sure to inform all those Republicans living in the rural areas,
I'm sure that they would be _very_ interested to know that they're living
in a "communist state."

And
all you are able to do is call people bigots and/or racist just
because they do not agree with you, which shows you to be lacking in
any intelligence.

Fortunately I recently bought an ultra-high-capacity, industrial-strength
irony meter so it just smoked a little when you wrote that.

I call you a bigot because that's what you _are_, you nasty, lying little
ignorant bigot. Ask yourself just why you hate brown-skinned folks so
much. Is there any real reason, or is it just because you believe all
the
lies that the other bigots feed you? I'll give you a hint: The
brown-skinned folks have done nothing at all to deserve your hatred.

It's ironic that in all the years I've lived here within a "stones
throw" of Mexico that the *ONLY* "illegal alien" that I've *EVER* known
was an Irish guy who came on a student visa to UCSD and stayed *YEARS*
after it was no longer valid. Why do I never hear these bigots bitching
about all those damned illegal Irish?

In fact some of us welcome them. This country was founded on immigration
and diversity is one of the big things that has made us so successful.
Los
Angeles is one of the most diverse cities in the world and is by far the
better for it. You don't like that just because it means that your white
skin no longer makes you "special." Too fucking bad, bigot. The rest of
us can get along just fine without you.

Bigot ***** thinks they should have slammed the gates shut to
immigration right after *HER* ancestors got here. Apparently bigot *****
never read the base of the Statue of Liberty "Give me your tired, your
poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse
of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

It's called "The New Colossus,” and was written by poetess Emma Lazarus.