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12 Jul 2004 03:30:44 AM |
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I like Bush and I can't vote his way. |
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
I see government looking into homes etc... looking to see everything a
person does. Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
People who aren't trusted get special laws made just for them? I don't
like that game and I don't play that game.
Those are the people I'm expected to direct to a better world.
Parameters of the job.
NC.
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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| Title: Re: I like Bush and I can't vote his way. |
13 Jul 2004 07:55:48 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:44 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com>
puked:
I see government looking into homes etc... looking to see everything a
person does. Forcing businesses to do the same through laws.
I suppose this means that you have a problem with that left wing
sponsored discrimination called affirmative action as well.
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lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: I like Bush and I can't vote his way. |
13 Jul 2004 09:43:58 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:44 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
So? Since there is no draft they must have volunteered at some point.
I'm an educator.
I see government looking into homes etc... looking to see everything a
person does. Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
Such as what?
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
In what way?
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| User: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" |
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| Title: Re: I like Bush and I can't vote his way. |
16 Jul 2004 03:53:36 AM |
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Attila wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:44 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
So? Since there is no draft they must have volunteered at some point.
Teens volunteer for everything. We'll pay your way in advance.
That's all it takes, and everyone and their mother knows it.
Credit card companies just rolling in that bit of fun.
It's a hard world and living in that world needs a little more enjoyment.
Simple pleasures w/out the pressure causing people to jump off of
bridges. The cost of putting up preventative measures solely to prevent
people from jumping off of a bridge alone.
Everyone blowing themselves up in order to avoid life. Is life that bad?
Why is it that bad. What could make it that bad. What IS making it
that bad.
I don't judge people. I explain life to the best I can. You go from there.
NC
(People jumping off of bridges and blowing themselves up... Alot of
smart people out there. Nobody figured out why? How about a statistic
or two... Of course I know. Anyone willing to post body counts?)
I'm an educator.
I see government looking into homes etc... looking to see everything a
person does. Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
Such as what?
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
In what way?
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: I like Bush and I can't vote his way. |
16 Jul 2004 04:57:13 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:53:36 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<kIMJc.1632$4L7.549@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:44 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
So? Since there is no draft they must have volunteered at some point.
Teens volunteer for everything. We'll pay your way in advance.
That's all it takes, and everyone and their mother knows it.
What? what you are trying to say is anything but clear.
Credit card companies just rolling in that bit of fun.
Which has what to do with the military?
It's a hard world and living in that world needs a little more enjoyment.
Which has what to do with the military?
Simple pleasures w/out the pressure causing people to jump off of
bridges. The cost of putting up preventative measures solely to prevent
people from jumping off of a bridge alone.
Everyone blowing themselves up in order to avoid life. Is life that bad?
Why is it that bad. What could make it that bad. What IS making it
that bad.
There have always been suicides and people who thought life was 'that
bad'.
I don't judge people. I explain life to the best I can.
Poorly.
Do you think you could stay close to the topic?
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| User: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" |
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19 Jul 2004 03:04:34 AM |
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Attila wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:53:36 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<kIMJc.1632$4L7.549@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:44 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
So? Since there is no draft they must have volunteered at some point.
Teens volunteer for everything. We'll pay your way in advance.
That's all it takes, and everyone and their mother knows it.
What? what you are trying to say is anything but clear.
If it was clear, one would not have to think about it. Not my business
to tell people how to live.
Credit card companies just rolling in that bit of fun.
Which has what to do with the military?
Military has used the GI Bill to promise youths an education. It's an
excellent bribe. It's meant to be. Nothing down. Adults aren't
expected to run around the world killing each other, after all. Kids
don't expect that in America.
It's a hard world and living in that world needs a little more enjoyment.
Which has what to do with the military?
The military is a youth's initiation into life. If that initiation is
war and killing others as if they were dogs, instead of the prevention
thereof, we're gonna have to deal with some very twisted persona coming
out of that military. Be prepared.
Simple pleasures w/out the pressure causing people to jump off of
bridges. The cost of putting up preventative measures solely to prevent
people from jumping off of a bridge alone.
Everyone blowing themselves up in order to avoid life. Is life that bad?
Why is it that bad. What could make it that bad. What IS making it
that bad.
There have always been suicides and people who thought life was 'that
bad'.
And those numbers are monitored very carefully and extremely
secretively, because, it is the one statistic that cannot ever become an
issue. Even I will not and cannot go there.
I don't judge people. I explain life to the best I can.
Poorly.
Pragmatically and precisely.
Do you think you could stay close to the topic?
Alot closer than you can possibly imagine. I wrote the topic, after all.
TheNIGHTCRAWLER
(One doesn't have to be insane to argue with anything I 'say' in the
groups. Feel free to get out of your system what you want. Feel FREE.)
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| User: "Attila" |
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19 Jul 2004 04:24:57 AM |
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:04:34 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<mgLKc.95$1D7.48@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:53:36 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<kIMJc.1632$4L7.549@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:44 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> wrote:
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
So? Since there is no draft they must have volunteered at some point.
Teens volunteer for everything. We'll pay your way in advance.
That's all it takes, and everyone and their mother knows it.
What? what you are trying to say is anything but clear.
If it was clear, one would not have to think about it. Not my business
to tell people how to live.
Credit card companies just rolling in that bit of fun.
Which has what to do with the military?
Military has used the GI Bill to promise youths an education. It's an
excellent bribe. It's meant to be. Nothing down.
I fail to see any connection between credit card companies and an
education program that helped fuel the economic expansion that has
occurred in the last 50 years. Or do you think education is bad?
Adults aren't
expected to run around the world killing each other, after all.
Of course they are. They always have. And if no defense is available
existence will soon disappear.
Kids
don't expect that in America.
They expect protection.
It's a hard world and living in that world needs a little more enjoyment.
Which has what to do with the military?
The military is a youth's initiation into life. If that initiation is
war and killing others as if they were dogs, instead of the prevention
thereof, we're gonna have to deal with some very twisted persona coming
out of that military. Be prepared.
Nonsense. VietNam was much worse.
Simple pleasures w/out the pressure causing people to jump off of
bridges. The cost of putting up preventative measures solely to prevent
people from jumping off of a bridge alone.
Everyone blowing themselves up in order to avoid life. Is life that bad?
Why is it that bad. What could make it that bad. What IS making it
that bad.
There have always been suicides and people who thought life was 'that
bad'.
And those numbers are monitored very carefully and extremely
secretively, because, it is the one statistic that cannot ever become an
issue. Even I will not and cannot go there.
Because it has nothing to do with anything. I note you brought the
subject up.
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| User: "Jim" |
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13 Jul 2004 11:49:54 AM |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> wrote in message news:<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
How did he make things WORSE than they were under previous
administrations?
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Since there is no draft, all were already in the service and by their
own will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
In grammer? I hope not.
I see government looking into homes etc...
You do?
looking to see everything a person does.
Really?
Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
What are you rambling on about?
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
A lifetime of life?
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
What pisses me off are people that take mind-altering drugs, THEN post
to usenet, and expect other to make sense of the resulting incoherent
diatribes.
People who aren't trusted get special laws made just for them?
Again, I hope you aren't an "educator" that teacher grammer.
I don't like that game and I don't play that game.
Those are the people I'm expected to direct to a better world.
Who expects YOU to direct anybody to a better world?
Jim
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13 Jul 2004 11:51:19 AM |
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Jim wrote:
TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> wrote in message news:<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
How did he make things WORSE than they were under previous
administrations?
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Since there is no draft, all were already in the service and by their
own will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
In grammer? I hope not.
That would be "Grammar".
I see government looking into homes etc...
You do?
looking to see everything a person does.
Really?
Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
What are you rambling on about?
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
A lifetime of life?
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
What pisses me off are people that take mind-altering drugs, THEN post
to usenet, and expect other to make sense of the resulting incoherent
diatribes.
People who aren't trusted get special laws made just for them?
Again, I hope you aren't an "educator" that teacher grammer.
Again, that would be "Grammar".
I don't like that game and I don't play that game.
Those are the people I'm expected to direct to a better world.
Who expects YOU to direct anybody to a better world?
Jim
--
--sexkitten--Stop the Slaughter!
Boycott Baby Oil!
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| User: "Jim" |
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14 Jul 2004 10:20:56 AM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2lii98Fdc7eiU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Jim wrote:
TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> wrote in message news:<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
How did he make things WORSE than they were under previous
administrations?
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Since there is no draft, all were already in the service and by their
own will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
In grammer? I hope not.
That would be "Grammar".
http://grammerin.areaguides.net/
Jim
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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14 Jul 2004 10:18:55 AM |
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On 14 Jul 2004 08:20:56 -0700, (Jim) wrote:
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2lii98Fdc7eiU1@uni-berlin.de>...
Jim wrote:
TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> wrote in message news:<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
How did he make things WORSE than they were under previous
administrations?
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Since there is no draft, all were already in the service and by their
own will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
In grammer? I hope not.
That would be "Grammar".
http://grammerin.areaguides.net/
Jim
In that case, you failed to use a capital. Second mistake.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" |
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16 Jul 2004 04:34:35 AM |
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Jim wrote:
TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com> wrote in message news:<U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
How did he make things WORSE than they were under previous
administrations?
66% Increase on their meds. And that's if you're careful, bright, and
connected. Want figures? Most just don't. That's why I still smoke.
I'd rather not get to where they are. Helluva example.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Since there is no draft, all were already in the service and by their
own will.
You really didn't go there. Tell me you didn't. I see people popping
out of, and btw destroying American business with that departure...
I'll restrain myself and say that the majority of business leaders could
leave with less loss to businesses or the economy. Would you like
figures on that? Could you even understand that.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
In grammer? I hope not.
Getting a point across is the most important aspect of grammar. I'm not
writing this in Chinese or Russian, am I? Anybody wants to go spelling
or grammar in the groups and I'm going to have a field day. This means you.
I see government looking into homes etc...
You do?
Atlanta just installed cameras on every streetcorner in Buckhead. Would
you like to play some more?
looking to see everything a person does.
Citizens turned over control and observation of those cameras to the
police dept.
Really?
I haven't decided to really start bashing at the moment. But there's
always the second dance. Do you tango?
Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
What are you rambling on about?
What put this country in the forefront of the world economy and
happiness meter. I'd like to throw you on that meter.
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
A lifetime of life?
Disengenuous in the extreme. Not worth my time.
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
What pisses me off are people that take mind-altering drugs, THEN post
to usenet, and expect other to make sense of the resulting incoherent
diatribes.
This is why we attacked Iraq, and the world is at war. People dying etc.
People who aren't trusted get special laws made just for them?
Again, I hope you aren't an "educator" that teacher grammer.
I don't blast anyone over spelling or grammar. I allude to it when
aggravated. So read that sentence again. That one. Right. Above.
I don't like that game and I don't play that game.
Those are the people I'm expected to direct to a better world.
Who expects YOU to direct anybody to a better world?
Nobody expects. One DOES.
Jim
That is my lesson for the the day. Been a pleasure.
TheNIGHTCRAWLER
(Do try and remember my general rule in the NGs... NEVER use grammar or
spelling as an excuse to attempt to make the world a worse place. Ideas
are the lifeblood of all people. NOW... you can feel free to be angry
with me.)
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13 Jul 2004 11:55:15 AM |
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On 13 Jul 2004 09:49:54 -0700, (Jim) puked:
In grammer?
I love that.
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lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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12 Jul 2004 10:21:36 AM |
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please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally. The
US constitution had not been altered since 1992 when the 27th admendment was
ratified. Did the 28th admendment just sneak by us?. Since you are
ignorant of the process perhaps then you should not be making the claim
FYI: recess appointments of Federal judges is allowable under the
constituition. Bush learned how to use the recess appointment from Bill
Clinton, who did it numerous times
"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" <casual@home.com> wrote in message
news:U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
I see government looking into homes etc... looking to see everything a
person does. Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
People who aren't trusted get special laws made just for them? I don't
like that game and I don't play that game.
Those are the people I'm expected to direct to a better world.
Parameters of the job.
NC.
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12 Jul 2004 08:51:00 PM |
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Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally.
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
a direct ***** upon Article 6 Section 2. An act of TREASON.
The
US constitution had not been altered since 1992 when the 27th admendment was
ratified. Did the 28th admendment just sneak by us?. Since you are
ignorant of the process perhaps then you should not be making the claim
see above.
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http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)
"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.
If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister
"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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gaffo wrote:
Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally.
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
a direct ***** upon Article 6 Section 2. An act of TREASON.
The U.S. doesn't bow to the U.N.
<snip an overly-long, useless sig>
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14 Jul 2004 06:13:19 PM |
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Frank Dwyer wrote:
gaffo wrote:
Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally.
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
a direct ***** upon Article 6 Section 2. An act of TREASON.
The U.S. doesn't bow to the U.N.
<snip an overly-long, useless sig>
upholding Article 6 Secton two is Patriotism - ignoring it is treason.
there were other options - Bu$hler didn't care about voiding our
Constitution, because:
1. He's never read it
2. If he did, he would not understand it
3. He doesn't care (kinda like yourself).
Such folks care abour Force - not the Rule of Law nor liberty.
Now - explain to me how ignoring - and indeed actively subverting our
constitution is American and Patriotic.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged.
And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air
-- however slight -lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas, US Supreme Court (1939-75)
"It shows us that there were senior people in the Bush administration who
were seriously contemplating the use of torture, and trying to figure out
whether there were any legal loopholes that might allow them to commit
criminal acts, They seem to be putting forward a theory that the president
in wartime can essentially do what he wants regardless of what the law
may say,"
Tom Malinowski of Human Rights Watch - commenting upon Defense
Department Lawyer
Will Dunham's 56-page legalization of torture memo.
If you add all of those up, you should have a conservative rebellion against
the giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being named
George W. Bush. Just as progressives have been abandoned by the corporate
Democrats and told, "You got nowhere to go other than to stay home or
vote for
the Democrats", this is the fate of the authentic conservatives in the
Republican Party.
Ralph Nader - June 2004 - The American Conservative Magazine
"But I believe in torture and I will torture you."
-An American soldier shares the joys of Democracy with
an Iraqi prisoner.
"My mother praises me for fighting the Americans. If we are killed,
our wives and mothers will rejoice that we died defending the
freedom of our country.
-Iraqi Mahdi fighter
"We were bleeding from 3 a.m. until sunrise, soon American soldiers came.
One of them kicked me to see if I was alive. I pretended I was dead
so he wouldn't kill me. The soldier was laughing, when Yousef cried,
the soldier said: "'No, stop,"
-Shihab, survivor of USSA bombing of Iraqi wedding.
"the absolute convergence of the neoconservatives with the Christian
Zionists
and the pro-Israel lobby, driving U.S. Mideast policy."
-Don Wagner, an evangelical South Carolina minister
"Bush, in Austin, criticized President Clinton's administration for
the Kosovo military action.'Victory means exit strategy, and it's important
for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is,' Bush said."
Houston Chronicle 4/9/99
"Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to
destabilize their country."
Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, Richard L. Armitage, Jeffrey
Bergner,
Paula Dobriansky, Francis Fukuyama, Zalmay Khalilzad, Peter W. Rodman,
William Schneider, Jr., Vin Weber, R. James Woolsey and Robert B. Zoellick,
Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had
Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
"I also have this belief, strong belief, that freedom is not this
country's gift to the world; freedom is the Almighty's gift to
every man and woman in this world. And as the greatest power on
the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread
of freedom."
~ Bush the Crusader
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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15 Jul 2004 06:01:58 PM |
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gaffo wrote:
Frank Dwyer wrote:
gaffo wrote:
Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally.
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
a direct ***** upon Article 6 Section 2. An act of TREASON.
The U.S. doesn't bow to the U.N.
<snip an overly-long, useless sig>
upholding Article 6 Secton two is Patriotism - ignoring it is treason.
there were other options - Bu$hler didn't care about voiding our
Constitution, because:
1. He's never read it
2. If he did, he would not understand it
3. He doesn't care (kinda like yourself).
4. He didn't void it.
Such folks care abour Force - not the Rule of Law nor liberty.
Now - explain to me how ignoring - and indeed actively subverting our
constitution is American and Patriotic.
Subversion of the Constitution is your term, not mine.
Explain to me how bowing to the whims of a non-American governing body
is American and patriotic.
Further explain how America NOT bowing to that same body constitutes
treason against America.
<snip... a sig longer than 95% of posts on usenet>
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| User: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" |
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13 Jul 2004 02:46:46 AM |
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Frank Dwyer wrote:
gaffo wrote:
Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally.
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
a direct ***** upon Article 6 Section 2. An act of TREASON.
The U.S. doesn't bow to the U.N.
In a perfect world it could be a good thing because everyone would be
looking to do the same thing. It's not a perfect world. And never will
be. Can't be. Nature of life. Kids have to be perfect? Right. Idiots.
No sane God would expect it to be a sane world. You live, you learn.
You enjoy life, hopefully grow older enjoying life, and eventually die.
It's that middle part about enjoying life as you grow older that
particularly concerns me.
TheNIGHTCRAWLER
(Emminent domain. May I just ask before that domain is taken. Who is
the emminence? How quickly people fall silent in the face of a poor
reality of their own making. I vote. That is my rod and my staff. NO,
not putting on sandals. Person's gotta draw the line somewhere.)
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13 Jul 2004 08:20:01 AM |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote:
Frank Dwyer wrote:
gaffo wrote:
Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally.
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
a direct ***** upon Article 6 Section 2. An act of TREASON.
The U.S. doesn't bow to the U.N.
In a perfect world it could be a good thing because everyone would be
looking to do the same thing. It's not a perfect world. And never will
be. Can't be. Nature of life. Kids have to be perfect? Right. Idiots.
No sane God would expect it to be a sane world. You live, you learn.
You enjoy life, hopefully grow older enjoying life, and eventually die.
It's that middle part about enjoying life as you grow older that
particularly concerns me.
You conclude a reply to a post about the U.S. not bowing to the U.N.
with that? Collect your thoughts and try to present them with a little
more consistency and coherence. You're babbling.
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15 Jul 2004 03:25:40 AM |
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You conclude a reply to a post about the U.S. not bowing to the U.N.
with that? Collect your thoughts and try to present them with a little
more consistency and coherence. You're babbling.
OK. Are you ready to play a game now?
Why is the U.S. having issues with bowing to the U.N.?
Bush failed miserably in finding who orchestrated the latest attack on
U.S. soil. Had a couple of great big wars who's cost is absolutely
incalculable in human terminology or understanding in taxes, growth, and
American lives.
I don't find it amusing that President Bush failed to secure trade
within/without the country, went off on some God Jihad for a child
country the U.S. cannot support, put the budget (work of this my fine
countrymen $) into the crapper by supporting a God of convenience in a
campaign of war between the people of the world.
I deal in lives and the working of the world and the U.N. attempts to do
so. Never perfect, but, I admire the attempt.
I find bush failing in protecting the underpinnings of his country at
this time having created a war out of thin air based upon going holy war
with little/no parsing of the reality of the nation he's supposed to
give some good advice to, and instead we are at war with people dying
daily. *deep* breath. All warriors know the best path to prevent war
from happening. North Korea Nukes are set loose. Iran nukes are set
loose. Is that a bad thing?
Note how I ended this with a question?
NC
(The underpinnings are what I point out to the people at large)
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13 Jul 2004 02:20:24 AM |
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Ellen Howie wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally. The
US constitution had not been altered since 1992 when the 27th admendment was
ratified. Did the 28th admendment just sneak by us?. Since you are
ignorant of the process perhaps then you should not be making the claim
FYI: recess appointments of Federal judges is allowable under the
constituition. Bush learned how to use the recess appointment from Bill
Clinton, who did it numerous times
I'll put it like this. A ship headed for an iceberg had best listen to
the crewmember watching the iceberg.
Take a very close look at my post. I don't imply, or play word games,
and you are in dangerous waters. The only thing unsupported in this
thread is your assertion of my obvious ignorance. And YOUR assertion
that Bill Clinton did that thang numrous times first.
Care to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Dodge healthcare, dodge the deficit, dodge freedom of speech, dodge
Republicans playing mafia with their fellow govn't, dodge the
unpatriotic act. Nobody dodges the bullet when people are actually
listened to by their representatives in govn't, via firing their sorry
asses.
Now. You can back up both of your assertions or go home crying. Or you
can agree that there may be a problem with the current govn't in
maintaing a cohesive society.
Because I am not seeing that at this time under Bush.
FFR, don't bring knives to a gunfight. The Republican Party is already
having a complex over the death penalty. I generally don't vote for
anybody with a complex over anything to say a thing about what I say or
do. I've worked out my conflictions. Have you?... Really.
TheNIGHTCRAWLER
(FFR: For Future Reference)
"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" <casual@home.com> wrote in message
news:U_rIc.181$Yx4.51@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
I have elderly parents and I get to see the real effect of healthier
reforms Bush has presented.
I know 5 people pulled into service with or against their will.
Personally. People I know. That I work with every single day, and tell
them how wonderful this country is. I'm not a recruiter.
I'm an educator.
I see government looking into homes etc... looking to see everything a
person does. Forcing businesses to do the same through laws. I don't
like anyone in my house trying to convince people to convict themselves.
I don't like government stepping up with laws and Amendments that it
takes a lifetime of life to create and later disingenuously bypassing.
It makes me angry.
Because you go through the child years, the teen years, the grown-up
years, the god years, the elder years. Changing the constitution
unilaterally, the way Bush has changed judges just outright pisses me
the fucking hell off.
People who aren't trusted get special laws made just for them? I don't
like that game and I don't play that game.
Those are the people I'm expected to direct to a better world.
Parameters of the job.
NC.
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13 Jul 2004 07:55:48 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:20:24 GMT, TheNIGHTCRAWLER <casual@home.com>
puked:
FFR, don't bring knives to a gunfight. The Republican Party is already
having a complex over the death penalty. I generally don't vote for
anybody with a complex over anything to say a thing about what I say or
do. I've worked out my conflictions. Have you?... Really.
Could you elaborate on this? If you are drawing a corollary to
abortion, I think it can be reconciled by the old "innocent until
proven guilty".
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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12 Jul 2004 06:19:00 PM |
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In article <WuqdnWYTEb3wMW_dRVn2gA@giganews.com>,
"Ellen Howie" <howieinc@yahoo.com> wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally. The
US constitution had not been altered since 1992 when the 27th admendment was
ratified. Did the 28th admendment just sneak by us?. Since you are
ignorant of the process perhaps then you should not be making the claim
FYI: recess appointments of Federal judges is allowable under the
constituition. Bush learned how to use the recess appointment from Bill
Clinton, who did it numerous times
Read the Patriot Act sometime and Bush/Ashcroft's attempts to strengthen
it. Bush is also hard at work attempting to amend the Constitution to
prevent consenting adults of the same sex from marrying each other.
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| User: "Jim" |
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13 Jul 2004 11:53:54 AM |
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Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<srhi-0B4F2F.19190012072004@news-40.sjc.giganews.com>...
In article <WuqdnWYTEb3wMW_dRVn2gA@giganews.com>,
"Ellen Howie" <howieinc@yahoo.com> wrote:
please explain when and how Bush changed the constitution unilaterally. The
US constitution had not been altered since 1992 when the 27th admendment was
ratified. Did the 28th admendment just sneak by us?. Since you are
ignorant of the process perhaps then you should not be making the claim
FYI: recess appointments of Federal judges is allowable under the
constituition. Bush learned how to use the recess appointment from Bill
Clinton, who did it numerous times
Read the Patriot Act sometime and Bush/Ashcroft's attempts to strengthen
it.
How did they "unilaterally" passed it, and how does it amend the
Constitution?
Bush is also hard at work attempting to amend the Constitution to
prevent consenting adults of the same sex from marrying each other.
I thought it was just explicitly stating what marriage already is
because a couple of judges decided to redefine its thousands-years-old
definition. Must be some other proposed amendment that I didn't hear
about. But anyway, let's say it passes: It would require a super
majority of congress and the individual states to pass, explain how
that would be Bush "unilaterally" amending the Constitution.
JIm
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