"Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:KM598W6-GB5M698@ussr.sov...

It would only be just, and it would be minimal justice at that. We have
committed a monstrous, unforgivable war crime, indeed a countless number
of war crimes.

So let's be completely clear, and restate it once more for emphasis. We
invaded and occupied a country that hadn't attacked us, and that was no
threat to us. Our government has murdered more than half a million
innocent Iraqis -- and destroyed an entire nation. Our government has also
murdered and maimed tens of thousands of Americans.

But in the moral sense -- in the sense of destroying human life with no
justification whatsoever -- we certainly deserve to lose. It would only be
just, and it would be minimal justice at that. We have committed a
monstrous, unforgivable war crime, indeed a countless number of war
crimes. If you care at all about the sanctity of an individual human life,
and if you still give a damn, that should matter to you. Nothing in the
world is more important.

So, yes, in the sense I have described, I want us to lose. We already
have. There is no forgiveness for what we have done. Do I want American
soldiers to die? Of course not. I never wanted them to be sent to Iraq in
the first place. If we had never begun this catastrophe, those who have
died would be alive today -- as would over half a million Iraqis.

One might hope that we've learned something from our indecent and immoral
acts, and that we will be more careful in our future actions. In a tragedy
beyond measure, it is already entirely clear that we have learned
absolutely nothing -- just as we learned nothing from Vietnam. All of the
forces that led to more than a century of unending war are still in place.
We have learned nothing.

Right on. The sad part...I, as a citizen of the USA don't feel that all
this death and destruction has lessened the chance that some crazed Saudi
Arabians wont plan and execute another 9/11.

This "war on terror" is complete sham.

Bush should be impeached and imprisoned.

"Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:KM598W6-GB5M698@ussr.sov...

It would only be just, and it would be minimal justice at that. We
have committed a monstrous, unforgivable war crime, indeed a
countless number of war crimes.

So let's be completely clear, and restate it once more for emphasis.
We invaded and occupied a country that hadn't attacked us, and that
was no threat to us. Our government has murdered more than half a
million innocent Iraqis -- and destroyed an entire nation. Our
government has also murdered and maimed tens of thousands of
Americans. But in the moral sense -- in the sense of destroying human
life with
no justification whatsoever -- we certainly deserve to lose. It
would only be just, and it would be minimal justice at that. We have
committed a monstrous, unforgivable war crime, indeed a countless
number of war crimes. If you care at all about the sanctity of an
individual human life, and if you still give a damn, that should
matter to you. Nothing in the world is more important.

So, yes, in the sense I have described, I want us to lose. We already
have. There is no forgiveness for what we have done. Do I want
American soldiers to die? Of course not. I never wanted them to be
sent to Iraq in the first place. If we had never begun this
catastrophe, those who have died would be alive today -- as would
over half a million Iraqis. One might hope that we've learned something
from our indecent and
immoral acts, and that we will be more careful in our future
actions. In a tragedy beyond measure, it is already entirely clear
that we have learned absolutely nothing -- just as we learned
nothing from Vietnam. All of the forces that led to more than a
century of unending war are still in place. We have learned nothing.

Right on. The sad part...I, as a citizen of the USA don't feel that
all this death and destruction has lessened the chance that some
crazed Saudi Arabians wont plan and execute another 9/11.

This "war on terror" is complete sham.

Bush should be impeached and imprisoned.

"Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:KM598W6-GB5M698@ussr.sov...

It would only be just, and it would be minimal justice at that. We
have committed a monstrous, unforgivable war crime, indeed a
countless number of war crimes.

We've already lost, all that remains is to determine the magnitude of
the loss.

The bizarre thing is that we're in complete control over how badly we
want to lose.

According to the administration efforts, we want to lose REALLY big.

On 2007-01-28 17:33:45 -0800, "Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> said:

We
invaded and occupied a country that hadn't attacked us, and that was no
threat to us.

Point of order there, sunshine: it was a threat not only to us, but also
to several countries closer by to whom the USA has treaty obligations to
provide mutual defense.

-jcr

On 2007-01-28 17:33:45 -0800, "Deuteros" <deuteros@xrs.net> said:

We
invaded and occupied a country that hadn't attacked us, and that was no
threat to us.

Point of order there, sunshine: it was a threat not only to us, but also
to several countries closer by to whom the USA has treaty obligations to
provide mutual defense.