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Topic: Science > Abortion
User: "J Young"
Date: 13 Jun 2004 11:16:28 PM
Object: If Hell does exist...
If Hell,as described in the Bible,really does exist,it should come as
no suprise as to who we'll find there.Those who advocate and defend
the option of abortion will be the first to burn.One could not
possibly blame a poor,young,scared and confused girl who's been
knocked-up by some unsavory character.Voices of reason would help her
through pregnancy and into motherhood.The voices of evil would tell
her to take the easy way out and terminate her child.Those are the
people who will suffer eternal damnation,if in fact there is a
here-after;if not,a guilty conscience will be there personal hell.Is
the chance that Hell exists really worth it?
.

User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 06:01:02 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| |
| >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight,
| >| | tomorrow, next week,
| >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| >| |
| >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| >|
| >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| |
| | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the same sins? Sorry, but it
| | doesn't work like that.
|
| Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?
Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to commit the same sins willingly,
then you aren't very repentent, are you?
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Ron Nicholson"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 06:22:07 PM
In article <xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| |
| >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be
| >| | tonight,
| >| | tomorrow, next week,
| >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| >| |
| >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| >|
| >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| |
| | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the
| | same sins? Sorry, but it
| | doesn't work like that.
|
| Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?

Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to commit
the same sins willingly,
then you aren't very repentent, are you?

Again, this seems like god's domain and not yours.
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 06:34:24 PM
In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| In article <xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| |
| > | On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| > | alt.abortion with message-id
| > | <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| > |
| > |
| > | >| |
| > | >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be
| > | >| | tonight,
| > | >| | tomorrow, next week,
| > | >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| > | >| |
| > | >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| > | >|
| > | >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| > | |
| > | | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the
| > | | same sins? Sorry, but it
| > | | doesn't work like that.
| > |
| > | Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?
| |
| | Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to commit
| | the same sins willingly,
| | then you aren't very repentent, are you?
|
| Again, this seems like god's domain and not yours.
It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people don't tell them?
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Flower Power"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 09:07:08 PM
"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au...

It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if

people don't tell them?
================================
Then tell them on the religious NGs. This is an abortion NG if you haven't
noticed.
--
FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
======================================
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 10:40:41 PM
In a land far, far away, Flower Power once declared that:
|
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au...
| | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if
| people don't tell them?
| ================================
| Then tell them on the religious NGs. This is an abortion NG if you haven't
| noticed.
In which, someone raised the issue of religion.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Flower Power"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 10:34:07 PM
"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0djl9bbbxp7h003@news.bri.connect.com.au...

In a land far, far away, Flower Power once declared that:

|
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au...
| | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc

if

| people don't tell them?
| ================================
| Then tell them on the religious NGs. This is an abortion NG if you

haven't

| noticed.

In which, someone raised the issue of religion.

=========================
But this isn't a religious NG and YOU keep bringing up your particular god
and what he/she/it believes. Most people here aren't interested in your god
who was anti-everything and yet supported rape, murder, genocide and
slavery.
--
Flower Power..........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~><> ><>
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 10:59:04 PM
In a land far, far away, Flower Power once declared that:
|
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:xn0djl9bbbxp7h003@news.bri.connect.com.au...
| | In a land far, far away, Flower Power once declared that:
| |
| | |
| > | "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au...
| > | | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc
| if
| > | people don't tell them?
| > | ================================
| > | Then tell them on the religious NGs. This is an abortion NG if you
| haven't
| > | noticed.
| |
| | In which, someone raised the issue of religion.
| =========================
| But this isn't a religious NG and YOU keep bringing up your particular god
[...]
Only after someone else raised the issue of religion in this thread.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.




User: "Ron Nicholson"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 07:44:06 PM
In article <xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:

| In article <xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| |
| > | On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| > | alt.abortion with message-id
| > | <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| > |
| > |
| > | >| |
| > | >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could
| > | >| | be
| > | >| | tonight,
| > | >| | tomorrow, next week,
| > | >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day
| > | >| | closer.
| > | >| |
| > | >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| > | >|
| > | >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| > | |
| > | | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the
| > | | same sins? Sorry, but it
| > | | doesn't work like that.
| > |
| > | Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?
| |
| | Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to
| | commit
| | the same sins willingly,
| | then you aren't very repentent, are you?
|
| Again, this seems like god's domain and not yours.

It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people
don't tell them?

Is this your justification for interfering in people's free will?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 02:01:48 AM
In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| In article <xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| |
| > | In article <xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
| > | "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > |
| > | | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| > | |
| > | > | On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| > | > | alt.abortion with message-id
| > | > | <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | >| |
| > | > | >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could
| > | > | >| | be
| > | > | >| | tonight,
| > | > | >| | tomorrow, next week,
| > | > | >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day
| > | > | >| | closer.
| > | > | >| |
| > | > | >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| > | > | >|
| > | > | >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| > | > | |
| > | > | | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the
| > | > | | same sins? Sorry, but it
| > | > | | doesn't work like that.
| > | > |
| > | > | Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?
| > | |
| > | | Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to
| > | | commit
| > | | the same sins willingly,
| > | | then you aren't very repentent, are you?
| > |
| > | Again, this seems like god's domain and not yours.
| |
| | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people
| | don't tell them?
|
| Is this your justification for interfering in people's free will?
How, exactly, is that interfering with people's free will? Be specific now.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.


User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 08:17:47 PM
On 15 Jun 2004 23:34:24 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:


It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people don't tell them?

But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
When do you shut up and go away?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 11:27:52 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 15 Jun 2004 23:34:24 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| |
| | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people don't tell them?
|
| But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
| When do you shut up and go away?
Each person is different.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 05:56:42 AM
On 16 Jun 2004 04:27:52 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djlatqdzaa8007@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 15 Jun 2004 23:34:24 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| |
| | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people don't tell them?
|
| But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
| When do you shut up and go away?

Each person is different.

I do love these thoughtful comments so full of depth and meaning.
Does that mean you never shut up and go away?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 08:47:15 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 16 Jun 2004 04:27:52 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djlatqdzaa8007@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| |
| >| On 15 Jun 2004 23:34:24 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| >| alt.abortion with message-id
| >| <xn0djl3h1423do015@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| >|
| >|
| >| |
| >| | It is, but how are people going to know about God, forgiveness, etc if people don't tell
| them? >|
| >| But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
| >| When do you shut up and go away?
| |
| | Each person is different.
|
| I do love these thoughtful comments so full of depth and meaning.
|
| Does that mean you never shut up and go away?
No. However, it requires an individual 'assessment' on each person with whom I talk.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 09:50:08 PM
On 17 Jun 2004 01:47:15 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djmjh8672xa000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

| >| But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
| >| When do you shut up and go away?
| |
| | Each person is different.
|
| I do love these thoughtful comments so full of depth and meaning.
|
| Does that mean you never shut up and go away?

No. However, it requires an individual 'assessment' on each person with whom I talk.

Done by you no doubt. Did it ever occur to you that you are being
obnoxious and obtrusive by being in a position where someone must tell
you to buzz off?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 10:04:06 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 17 Jun 2004 01:47:15 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djmjh8672xa000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| >| But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
| >| >| When do you shut up and go away?
| >| |
| >| | Each person is different.
| >|
| >| I do love these thoughtful comments so full of depth and meaning.
| >|
| >| Does that mean you never shut up and go away?
| |
| | No. However, it requires an individual 'assessment' on each person with whom I talk.
|
| Done by you no doubt. [...]
Not necessarily.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 17 Jun 2004 04:50:29 AM
On 17 Jun 2004 03:04:06 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djmnpkbvzik006@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 17 Jun 2004 01:47:15 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djmjh8672xa000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| >| But suppose the person you are talking to really could not care less?
| >| >| When do you shut up and go away?
| >| |
| >| | Each person is different.
| >|
| >| I do love these thoughtful comments so full of depth and meaning.
| >|
| >| Does that mean you never shut up and go away?
| |
| | No. However, it requires an individual 'assessment' on each person with whom I talk.
|
| Done by you no doubt. [...]

Not necessarily.

It isn't done by the person being assaulted.
You should need permission before you address someone about this.
It is too bad the right of free speech does not include the right of
not listening or being bothered.
.









User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 06:37:48 PM
On 15 Jun 2004 23:01:02 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| |
| >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight,
| >| | tomorrow, next week,
| >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| >| |
| >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| >|
| >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| |
| | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the same sins? Sorry, but it
| | doesn't work like that.
|
| Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?

Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to commit the same sins willingly,
then you aren't very repentent, are you?

Does it really matter?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 07:04:35 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 15 Jun 2004 23:01:02 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| |
| >| On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| >| alt.abortion with message-id
| >| <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| >|
| >|
| >| >| |
| >| >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight,
| >| >| | tomorrow, next week,
| >| >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| >| >| |
| >| >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| >| >|
| >| >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| >| |
| >| | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the same sins? Sorry, but
| it >| | doesn't work like that.
| >|
| >| Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?
| |
| | Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to commit the same sins
| | willingly, then you aren't very repentent, are you?
|
| Does it really matter?
Yes, it does.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 08:18:39 PM
On 16 Jun 2004 00:04:35 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djl4em59hin01g@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 15 Jun 2004 23:01:02 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djl1up1us4m003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| |
| >| On 15 Jun 2004 07:22:36 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| >| alt.abortion with message-id
| >| <xn0djk1ebiuw51004@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| >|
| >|
| >| >| |
| >| >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight,
| >| >| | tomorrow, next week,
| >| >| | or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| >| >| |
| >| >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| >| >|
| >| >| Say it once a day and increase your odds.
| >| |
| >| | So you ask for forgiveness, and then continue to willingly commit the same sins? Sorry, but
| it >| | doesn't work like that.
| >|
| >| Of course it does. Isn't forgiveness unconditional?
| |
| | Forgiveness is, but repentence is also involved. If you continue to commit the same sins
| | willingly, then you aren't very repentent, are you?
|
| Does it really matter?

Yes, it does.

I really hate to repeat myself but can you prove it?
.




User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 06:11:54 AM
On 15 Jun 2004 05:24:37 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djjqls48sn0003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

| I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| religion promises? Cover all your bets.

Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight, tomorrow, next week,
or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.

What would happen if you miss that "last second"?

Write it out ahead of time with a stipulation it would only take
effect one second before death?
Remember, it does not need to be written or even witnessed. It's the
thought that counts. Once second leeway should be sufficient.
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 06:34:32 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 15 Jun 2004 05:24:37 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djjqls48sn0003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| >| last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| >| religion promises? Cover all your bets.
| |
| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight, tomorrow, next
| | week, or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| |
| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
|
| Write it out ahead of time with a stipulation it would only take
| effect one second before death?
LOL! That's so stupid, it's funny! Who ever said a prayer had to be 'written out'? A prayer is
something you say, out loud or in your heart. And, no, you wouldn't be able to do that. Because, if
you could, then everyone (including unrepentent paedophiles, rapists, murderers, Satan worshippers,
etc) could get into Heaven, when not all of them deserve it.
<snipped rest />
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 08:21:09 PM
On 15 Jun 2004 23:34:32 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djl3jq45zpr017@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 15 Jun 2004 05:24:37 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djjqls48sn0003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| >| I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| >| last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| >| religion promises? Cover all your bets.
| |
| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight, tomorrow, next
| | week, or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| |
| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
|
| Write it out ahead of time with a stipulation it would only take
| effect one second before death?

LOL! That's so stupid, it's funny! Who ever said a prayer had to be 'written out'? A prayer is
something you say, out loud or in your heart. And, no, you wouldn't be able to do that. Because, if
you could, then everyone (including unrepentent paedophiles, rapists, murderers, Satan worshippers,
etc) could get into Heaven, when not all of them deserve it.

Wasn't it Twain who said he preferred to go to hell because that was
where all the interesting people would be?
BTW, I am waiting for proof any hell, heaven, or life after death
exist.
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 11:27:58 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 15 Jun 2004 23:34:32 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djl3jq45zpr017@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| |
| >| On 15 Jun 2004 05:24:37 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| >| alt.abortion with message-id
| >| <xn0djjqls48sn0003@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| >|
| >|
| >| >| I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| >| >| last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| >| >| religion promises? Cover all your bets.
| >| |
| >| | Yet how can any of us know when the last second will be? It could be tonight, tomorrow, next
| >| | week, or 50 years from now. All we know is that each day is one day closer.
| >| |
| >| | What would happen if you miss that "last second"?
| >|
| >| Write it out ahead of time with a stipulation it would only take
| >| effect one second before death?
| |
| | LOL! That's so stupid, it's funny! Who ever said a prayer had to be 'written out'? A prayer is
| | something you say, out loud or in your heart. And, no, you wouldn't be able to do that.
| | Because, if you could, then everyone (including unrepentent paedophiles, rapists, murderers,
| | Satan worshippers, etc) could get into Heaven, when not all of them deserve it.
|
| Wasn't it Twain who said he preferred to go to hell because that was
| where all the interesting people would be?
Hmm, don't know. But here are a few interesting quotes:
; =================================================================
Death borders upon our birth, and our cradle stands in the grave. Our birth is nothing but our
death begun. --Bishop Hall
Even at our birth, death does but stand aside a little. And every day he looks towards us and muses
somewhat to himself whether that day or the next he will draw nigh. --Robert Bolt
A man is not completely born until he is dead. --Benjamin Franklin
[Our] Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, [our] death is not here. And when it
does come, we no longer exist. -- Epicurus (341 BC - 270 BC), from Diogenes Laertius, Lives of
Eminent Philosophers
Death is one of the few things that can be done as easily lying down. The difference between sex
and death is that with death you can do it alone and no one is going to make fun of you. --Woody
Allen (Born 1935)
"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people
laugh." -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)
; =================================================================

| BTW, I am waiting for proof any hell, heaven, or life after death
| exist.
If there is no "life after death", then what is there to lose?
Another question for you, Atilla: Do you fear death?
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 06:00:42 AM
On 16 Jun 2004 04:27:58 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djlb41ee6np009@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:


| BTW, I am waiting for proof any hell, heaven, or life after death
| exist.

If there is no "life after death", then what is there to lose?

The worry about what it would be like and the effort it would take to
'qualify'.
I am still waiting for that proof.


Another question for you, Atilla: Do you fear death?

Not at all. It's like going to sleep and never waking up. After all,
you never know you were asleep until the next morning do you?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 08:47:24 PM
In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:
| On 16 Jun 2004 04:27:58 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djlb41ee6np009@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| |
| >| BTW, I am waiting for proof any hell, heaven, or life after death
| >| exist.
| |
| | If there is no "life after death", then what is there to lose?
|
| The worry about what it would be like and the effort it would take to
| 'qualify'.
Since the Christian after-life (aka Heaven) requires very little effort to qualify, then what is
the exact problem?
[...]
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Attila"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 16 Jun 2004 09:51:50 PM
On 17 Jun 2004 01:47:24 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djmjjc6a2wv002@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Attila once declared that:

| On 16 Jun 2004 04:27:58 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| alt.abortion with message-id
| <xn0djlb41ee6np009@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
|
|
| |
| >| BTW, I am waiting for proof any hell, heaven, or life after death
| >| exist.
| |
| | If there is no "life after death", then what is there to lose?
|
| The worry about what it would be like and the effort it would take to
| 'qualify'.

Since the Christian after-life (aka Heaven) requires very little effort to qualify, then what is
the exact problem?

Any is too much when there is no proof it even exists.
.







User: "Ron Nicholson"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 14 Jun 2004 11:01:45 AM
In article <91irc050b237696pt1lcj6p505kbdjls7h@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:39:27 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<balie-EB38C7.11401414062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:

In article <ukgrc09eqv9so322kg4bv0m4i7im36ps52@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:12 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<balie-D8EC80.10423714062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:

In article <j15rc0lqpb60d8hn6n0omvhfmfaev2vj0f@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On 14 Jun 2004 06:36:48 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<xn0djilgreopj1000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:

| In article <9c2d0f9a.0406132016.25a0d3a7@posting.google.com>,
|

(J Young) wrote:
|
| | If Hell,as described in the Bible,really does exist,
|
| No such evidence exists. It's a great way to manipulate people into
| doing one's bidding though. Do it, or else!

But is it really worth that risk? Think about it.

Let's look at two of the options:

1) Continue to ignore God, and live your own life.
2) Ask for forgiveness, and live the way God would want you to.

Now, if there is no Heaven or Hell, then living by #2 wouldn't make
any
difference. You live, and
you die, and that's it. Game over.

However, if there is, and you continue to live according to #1, then
you
will suffer the eternity
of Hell.


Let's take a closer look at this shall we?

If a god actually exists - which one? After all, there are many
conflicting religions, each with it's own version of some god and
usually saying it is the one true religion and that anyone who does
not follow that particular religion is doomed to some version of hell
or lack of heaven.



If no other god existed then, the god wouldn't ask adherents to choose
only him in the commandments.

The Exodus passage clearly states that god acknowledges being jealous of
other gods.


If that is true it opens another can of worms - which one to choose.
Do they arm wrestle? Hold an election? Just how is a decision to be
made?


Gods vying for the affection of humans. Now that is worth a quick
giggle. Picture it! "There my children." "No. They are *my* children".
Welcome to the Wopner School of Divinity.

It would seem to be a question of one's chosen outcome. The Christian
god seems to offer hell to manipulate but just as easily forgives
wrongdoings.

Constantine I was crafty and had it right, methinks. He lived life the
way he wanted including murderous rampages, slavery, prostitution and
the like and then asked for forgiveness at the last moment of breath for
an avoidance of hell.


I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
religion promises? Cover all your bets.

And since the christian god is willing to forgive any woman for the sin
of abortion then, imposing a worldy punishment is exacting revenge.
God is willing to forgive women for abortion, why won't Murdoc, Robert,
et alia?
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 12:24:40 AM
In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| In article <91irc050b237696pt1lcj6p505kbdjls7h@4ax.com>,
| Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
|
| | On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:39:27 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
| | alt.abortion with message-id
| | <balie-EB38C7.11401414062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
| | wrote:
| |
| | >In article <ukgrc09eqv9so322kg4bv0m4i7im36ps52@4ax.com>,
| | > Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| | >
| | >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:12 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
| | >> alt.abortion with message-id
| | >> <balie-D8EC80.10423714062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
| | >> wrote:
| | >>
| | >> >In article <j15rc0lqpb60d8hn6n0omvhfmfaev2vj0f@4ax.com>,
| | >> > Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| | >> >
| | >> >> On 14 Jun 2004 06:36:48 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| | >> >> alt.abortion with message-id
| | >> >> <xn0djilgreopj1000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| | >> >>
| | >> >> >In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| | >> >> >
| > >> >> >| In article <9c2d0f9a.0406132016.25a0d3a7@posting.google.com>,
| > >> >> >|
(J Young) wrote:
| > >> >> >|
| > >> >> >| | If Hell,as described in the Bible,really does exist,
| > >> >> >|
| > >> >> >| No such evidence exists. It's a great way to manipulate people into
| > >> >> >| doing one's bidding though. Do it, or else!
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >But is it really worth that risk? Think about it.
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >Let's look at two of the options:
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >1) Continue to ignore God, and live your own life.
| | >> >> >2) Ask for forgiveness, and live the way God would want you to.
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >Now, if there is no Heaven or Hell, then living by #2 wouldn't make
| | >> >> >any
| | >> >> >difference. You live, and
| | >> >> >you die, and that's it. Game over.
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >However, if there is, and you continue to live according to #1, then
| | >> >> >you
| | >> >> >will suffer the eternity
| | >> >> >of Hell.
| | >> >>
| | >> >> Let's take a closer look at this shall we?
| | >> >>
| | >> >> If a god actually exists - which one? After all, there are many
| | >> >> conflicting religions, each with it's own version of some god and
| | >> >> usually saying it is the one true religion and that anyone who does
| | >> >> not follow that particular religion is doomed to some version of hell
| | >> >> or lack of heaven.
| | >> >
| | >> >
| | >> >If no other god existed then, the god wouldn't ask adherents to choose
| | >> >only him in the commandments.
| | >> >
| | >> >The Exodus passage clearly states that god acknowledges being jealous of
| | >> >other gods.
| | >>
| | >> If that is true it opens another can of worms - which one to choose.
| | >> Do they arm wrestle? Hold an election? Just how is a decision to be
| | >> made?
| | >
| | >Gods vying for the affection of humans. Now that is worth a quick
| | >giggle. Picture it! "There my children." "No. They are my children".
| | >Welcome to the Wopner School of Divinity.
| | >
| | >It would seem to be a question of one's chosen outcome. The Christian
| | >god seems to offer hell to manipulate but just as easily forgives
| | >wrongdoings.
| | >
| | >Constantine I was crafty and had it right, methinks. He lived life the
| | >way he wanted including murderous rampages, slavery, prostitution and
| | >the like and then asked for forgiveness at the last moment of breath for
| | >an avoidance of hell.
| |
| | I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| | last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| | religion promises? Cover all your bets.
|
| And since the christian god is willing to forgive any woman for the sin
| of abortion then, imposing a worldy punishment is exacting revenge.
|
| God is willing to forgive women for abortion, why won't Murdoc, Robert,
| et alia?
Who said we won't? Being willing to forgive, does not mean that we should allow women to do it all
the time. There is a difference, Ron. Or haven't you figured that out yet.
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
.
User: "Ron Nicholson"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 12:38:15 AM
In article <xn0djjqmj49vsa004@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:

In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:

| In article <91irc050b237696pt1lcj6p505kbdjls7h@4ax.com>,
| Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
|
| | On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:39:27 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
| | alt.abortion with message-id
| | <balie-EB38C7.11401414062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
| | wrote:
| |
| | >In article <ukgrc09eqv9so322kg4bv0m4i7im36ps52@4ax.com>,
| | > Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| | >
| | >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:12 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
| | >> alt.abortion with message-id
| | >> <balie-D8EC80.10423714062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
| | >> wrote:
| | >>
| | >> >In article <j15rc0lqpb60d8hn6n0omvhfmfaev2vj0f@4ax.com>,
| | >> > Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| | >> >
| | >> >> On 14 Jun 2004 06:36:48 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| | >> >> alt.abortion with message-id
| | >> >> <xn0djilgreopj1000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| | >> >>
| | >> >> >In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| | >> >> >
| > >> >> >| In article <9c2d0f9a.0406132016.25a0d3a7@posting.google.com>,
| > >> >> >|

(J Young) wrote:
| > >> >> >|
| > >> >> >| | If Hell,as described in the Bible,really does exist,
| > >> >> >|
| > >> >> >| No such evidence exists. It's a great way to manipulate people
| > >> >> >| into
| > >> >> >| doing one's bidding though. Do it, or else!
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >But is it really worth that risk? Think about it.
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >Let's look at two of the options:
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >1) Continue to ignore God, and live your own life.
| | >> >> >2) Ask for forgiveness, and live the way God would want you to.
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >Now, if there is no Heaven or Hell, then living by #2 wouldn't
| | >> >> >make
| | >> >> >any
| | >> >> >difference. You live, and
| | >> >> >you die, and that's it. Game over.
| | >> >> >
| | >> >> >However, if there is, and you continue to live according to #1,
| | >> >> >then
| | >> >> >you
| | >> >> >will suffer the eternity
| | >> >> >of Hell.
| | >> >>
| | >> >> Let's take a closer look at this shall we?
| | >> >>
| | >> >> If a god actually exists - which one? After all, there are many
| | >> >> conflicting religions, each with it's own version of some god and
| | >> >> usually saying it is the one true religion and that anyone who
| | >> >> does
| | >> >> not follow that particular religion is doomed to some version of
| | >> >> hell
| | >> >> or lack of heaven.
| | >> >
| | >> >
| | >> >If no other god existed then, the god wouldn't ask adherents to
| | >> >choose
| | >> >only him in the commandments.
| | >> >
| | >> >The Exodus passage clearly states that god acknowledges being
| | >> >jealous of
| | >> >other gods.
| | >>
| | >> If that is true it opens another can of worms - which one to choose.
| | >> Do they arm wrestle? Hold an election? Just how is a decision to be
| | >> made?
| | >
| | >Gods vying for the affection of humans. Now that is worth a quick
| | >giggle. Picture it! "There my children." "No. They are my children".
| | >Welcome to the Wopner School of Divinity.
| | >
| | >It would seem to be a question of one's chosen outcome. The Christian
| | >god seems to offer hell to manipulate but just as easily forgives
| | >wrongdoings.
| | >
| | >Constantine I was crafty and had it right, methinks. He lived life the
| | >way he wanted including murderous rampages, slavery, prostitution and
| | >the like and then asked for forgiveness at the last moment of breath
| | >for
| | >an avoidance of hell.
| |
| | I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| | last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| | religion promises? Cover all your bets.
|
| And since the christian god is willing to forgive any woman for the sin
| of abortion then, imposing a worldy punishment is exacting revenge.
|
| God is willing to forgive women for abortion, why won't Murdoc, Robert,
| et alia?

Who said we won't? Being willing to forgive, does not mean that we should
allow women to do it all
the time. There is a difference, Ron. Or haven't you figured that out yet.

Hmm. God is willing to forgive and by that I mean not punish women for
abortion. God is willing to allow them to do.
Seems that you are unwilling to follow god's lead on this one.
.
User: "Murdoc"

Title: Re: If Hell does exist... 15 Jun 2004 02:26:17 AM
In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| In article <xn0djjqmj49vsa004@news.bri.connect.com.au>,
| "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| | In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| |
| > | In article <91irc050b237696pt1lcj6p505kbdjls7h@4ax.com>,
| > | Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| > |
| > | | On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:39:27 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
| > | | alt.abortion with message-id
| > | | <balie-EB38C7.11401414062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
| > | | wrote:
| > | |
| > | | >In article <ukgrc09eqv9so322kg4bv0m4i7im36ps52@4ax.com>,
| > | | > Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| > | | >
| > | | >> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:12 GMT, Ron Nicholson <balie@rogers.com> in
| > | | >> alt.abortion with message-id
| > | | >> <balie-D8EC80.10423714062004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
| > | | >> wrote:
| > | | >>
| > | | >> >In article <j15rc0lqpb60d8hn6n0omvhfmfaev2vj0f@4ax.com>,
| > | | >> > Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
| > | | >> >
| > | | >> >> On 14 Jun 2004 06:36:48 GMT, "Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> in
| > | | >> >> alt.abortion with message-id
| > | | >> >> <xn0djilgreopj1000@news.bri.connect.com.au> wrote:
| > | | >> >>
| > | | >> >> >In a land far, far away, Ron Nicholson once declared that:
| > | | >> >> >
| > | > >> >> >| In article <9c2d0f9a.0406132016.25a0d3a7@posting.google.com>,
| > | > >> >> >|
(J Young) wrote:
| > | > >> >> >|
| > | > >> >> >| | If Hell,as described in the Bible,really does exist,
| > | > >> >> >|
| > | > >> >> >| No such evidence exists. It's a great way to manipulate people
| > | > >> >> >| into
| > | > >> >> >| doing one's bidding though. Do it, or else!
| > | | >> >> >
| > | | >> >> >But is it really worth that risk? Think about it.
| > | | >> >> >
| > | | >> >> >Let's look at two of the options:
| > | | >> >> >
| > | | >> >> >1) Continue to ignore God, and live your own life.
| > | | >> >> >2) Ask for forgiveness, and live the way God would want you to.
| > | | >> >> >
| > | | >> >> >Now, if there is no Heaven or Hell, then living by #2 wouldn't
| > | | >> >> >make
| > | | >> >> >any
| > | | >> >> >difference. You live, and
| > | | >> >> >you die, and that's it. Game over.
| > | | >> >> >
| > | | >> >> >However, if there is, and you continue to live according to #1,
| > | | >> >> >then
| > | | >> >> >you
| > | | >> >> >will suffer the eternity
| > | | >> >> >of Hell.
| > | | >> >>
| > | | >> >> Let's take a closer look at this shall we?
| > | | >> >>
| > | | >> >> If a god actually exists - which one? After all, there are many
| > | | >> >> conflicting religions, each with it's own version of some god and
| > | | >> >> usually saying it is the one true religion and that anyone who
| > | | >> >> does
| > | | >> >> not follow that particular religion is doomed to some version of
| > | | >> >> hell
| > | | >> >> or lack of heaven.
| > | | >> >
| > | | >> >
| > | | >> >If no other god existed then, the god wouldn't ask adherents to
| > | | >> >choose
| > | | >> >only him in the commandments.
| > | | >> >
| > | | >> >The Exodus passage clearly states that god acknowledges being
| > | | >> >jealous of
| > | | >> >other gods.
| > | | >>
| > | | >> If that is true it opens another can of worms - which one to choose.
| > | | >> Do they arm wrestle? Hold an election? Just how is a decision to be
| > | | >> made?
| > | | >
| > | | >Gods vying for the affection of humans. Now that is worth a quick
| > | | >giggle. Picture it! "There my children." "No. They are my children".
| > | | >Welcome to the Wopner School of Divinity.
| > | | >
| > | | >It would seem to be a question of one's chosen outcome. The Christian
| > | | >god seems to offer hell to manipulate but just as easily forgives
| > | | >wrongdoings.
| > | | >
| > | | >Constantine I was crafty and had it right, methinks. He lived life the
| > | | >way he wanted including murderous rampages, slavery, prostitution and
| > | | >the like and then asked for forgiveness at the last moment of breath
| > | | >for
| > | | >an avoidance of hell.
| > | |
| > | | I thought that is the way it works. Do whatever you like and at the
| > | | last second say "Gee, I'm sorry" and all is well. Isn't that what
| > | | religion promises? Cover all your bets.
| > |
| > | And since the christian god is willing to forgive any woman for the sin
| > | of abortion then, imposing a worldy punishment is exacting revenge.
| > |
| > | God is willing to forgive women for abortion, why won't Murdoc, Robert,
| > | et alia?
| |
| | Who said we won't? Being willing to forgive, does not mean that we should
| | allow women to do it all
| | the time. There is a difference, Ron. Or haven't you figured that out yet.
|
| Hmm. God is willing to forgive and by that I mean not punish women for
| abortion. God is willing to allow them to do.
Where's the proof that He will not punish women for getting an abortion? Just because it doesn't
happen immediately, does not mean it will not happen.
"We are all destined to die once, and after that be judged."
<snipped rest />
--
Murdoc
; =================================
"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the
rule."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on
account of personal experience and heredity."
-- Mark Twain
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
-- Joseph Stalin
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