Science > Abortion > IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke...
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"Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,486 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!" |
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IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
28 Dec 2004 08:38:42 PM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,486 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
Craig,
The ocean does not always recede quickly and suddenly before a
tsunami strike. In this case, it did, but that warning is not
guarenteed.
Mark Sebree
P.S. *Childhood's End* was a favorite of mine, and I have read it
several times. I do not remember any tsunami being mentioned.
However, I do like the form that he chose for the aliens. :-)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate
destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
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28 Dec 2004 10:08:52 PM |
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On 28 Dec 2004 18:38:42 -0800,
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Craig,
The ocean does not always recede quickly and suddenly before
a tsunami strike. In this case, it did, but that warning is not
guarenteed.
True. But WHEN that symptom presents itself, as it did this time,
it is pretty much 100% certain that a tsunami will follow within
minutes. So widespread awareness of that COULD have saved
thousands.
Mark Sebree
P.S. *Childhood's End* was a favorite of mine, and I have read it
several times. I do not remember any tsunami being mentioned.
However, I do like the form that he chose for the aliens. :-)
Yeah. A lot of analogies connected with Karellen!
Recall that "childhood's end" (the event, not the book's title)
BEGAN with *one* person; he was the mutation/seed for the whole
progression that followed. But as a child, that one person ALMOST
was killed because he started to investigate the exposed beach --
just as so many kids did this week in SE Asia. And he was saved
by the alien! Remember that now?
I think I've read "Childhood's End" 4 times since ~1956. At least
three. And I think I'll be doing it again soon. It's one of the
greatest worls of sci-fi.
Ever read "The Star Kings," by Edmond Hamilton? That's my
ALL-time favorite, and I've read it perhaps 7 times. Including out
loud to my 6th-graders when I taught school in Lancaster, California,
as part of a reading comprehension project. I'd FIRST read it ~ 1955
or so, and that was in 1968.
Leigh Brackett was Hamilton's wife. Also a great S-F writer.
If there *ever* was an author I'd have LOVED to heve met, it
would have been Edmond Hamilton!
In 1993, while visiting my Russian fiancee in the suburban
(Mitishchi) Moscow apartment in which she and her parents lived,
I noticed a book on the couch that her father had been reading.
I've never learned much Russian, but I can transpose the Cyrillic
alphabet to ours. And I was startled to see the book's author's
name, in, of course, Cyrillic: Edmond Hamilton! He was reading
"The Star Kings" (!!) For the half hour that followed, we had a grand
time talking about the book's characters and plot lines! Turned out
to be HIS favorite novel, too!
A couple of years after that, I found a paperback in a used book
store, entitled, "The Best of Edmond Hamilton." The works chosen for
it had been selected by Hamilton's widow; Hamilton having died a few
years before. I forget the exact year that she wrote the Forward, so
I'll guess 1977. She signed it:
Leigh Brackett
Lancaster, California, 1977
While I had been reading my favorite novel by my favorite author
to my 6th graders in 1968 -- Hamilton had been alive and well mere
BLOCKS away from me!! And I never knew it! Not only could I have
met him -- but i might even have been able to bring him in to met my
class at the end of that reading project. How fascinating THAT would
have been!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
02 Jan 2005 11:28:59 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On 28 Dec 2004 18:38:42 -0800,
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel,
,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Craig,
The ocean does not always recede quickly and suddenly before
a tsunami strike. In this case, it did, but that warning is not
guarenteed.
True. But WHEN that symptom presents itself, as it did this
time,
it is pretty much 100% certain that a tsunami will follow within
minutes. So widespread awareness of that COULD have saved
thousands.
No argument, and I agree.
Mark Sebree
P.S. *Childhood's End* was a favorite of mine, and I have read it
several times. I do not remember any tsunami being mentioned.
However, I do like the form that he chose for the aliens. :-)
Yeah. A lot of analogies connected with Karellen!
Recall that "childhood's end" (the event, not the book's title)
BEGAN with *one* person; he was the mutation/seed for the whole
progression that followed. But as a child, that one person ALMOST
was killed because he started to investigate the exposed beach --
just as so many kids did this week in SE Asia. And he was saved
by the alien! Remember that now?
Actually, no. It has been a few years since I have read it, and I have
read A LOT of books since.
I think I've read "Childhood's End" 4 times since ~1956. At
least
three. And I think I'll be doing it again soon. It's one of the
greatest worls of sci-fi.
Ever read "The Star Kings," by Edmond Hamilton?
Sorry, but I do not think that I have heard of the book or the author.
That's my
ALL-time favorite, and I've read it perhaps 7 times. Including out
loud to my 6th-graders when I taught school in Lancaster, California,
as part of a reading comprehension project. I'd FIRST read it ~ 1955
or so, and that was in 1968.
Leigh Brackett was Hamilton's wife. Also a great S-F writer.
If there *ever* was an author I'd have LOVED to heve met, it
would have been Edmond Hamilton!
In 1993, while visiting my Russian fiancee in the suburban
(Mitishchi) Moscow apartment in which she and her parents lived,
I noticed a book on the couch that her father had been reading.
I've never learned much Russian, but I can transpose the Cyrillic
alphabet to ours. And I was startled to see the book's author's
name, in, of course, Cyrillic: Edmond Hamilton! He was reading
"The Star Kings" (!!) For the half hour that followed, we had a
grand
time talking about the book's characters and plot lines! Turned out
to be HIS favorite novel, too!
A couple of years after that, I found a paperback in a used book
store, entitled, "The Best of Edmond Hamilton." The works chosen for
it had been selected by Hamilton's widow; Hamilton having died a few
years before. I forget the exact year that she wrote the Forward, so
I'll guess 1977. She signed it:
Leigh Brackett
Lancaster, California, 1977
While I had been reading my favorite novel by my favorite author
to my 6th graders in 1968 -- Hamilton had been alive and well mere
BLOCKS away from me!! And I never knew it! Not only could I have
met him -- but i might even have been able to bring him in to met my
class at the end of that reading project. How fascinating THAT would
have been!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
That would have been great for the students (and you, a fan).
Especially if he could make it an annual event. The students would
have loved it.
One of my favorite authors is Robert Heinlein, and my favorite book by
him is also one of his Hugo Award winners, "A Stranger in a Strange
Land". I have read it several times, both in the original published
version, and the more recent unabridged version. It makes for a great
commentary on life and beliefs and traditions, and why so many of them
seem so arbitrary.
Mark Sebree
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02 Jan 2005 11:48:16 PM |
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On 2 Jan 2005 21:28:59 -0800,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
The ocean does not always recede quickly and suddenly before
a tsunami strike. In this case, it did, but that warning is not
guarenteed.
True. But WHEN that symptom presents itself, as it did this
time, it is pretty much 100% certain that a tsunami will follow within
minutes. So widespread awareness of that COULD have saved
thousands.
No argument, and I agree.
P.S. *Childhood's End* was a favorite of mine, and I have read it
several times. I do not remember any tsunami being mentioned.
However, I do like the form that he chose for the aliens. :-)
Yeah. A lot of analogies connected with Karellen!
Recall that "childhood's end" (the event, not the book's title)
BEGAN with *one* person; he was the mutation/seed for the whole
progression that followed. But as a child, that one person ALMOST
was killed because he started to investigate the exposed beach --
just as so many kids did this week in SE Asia. And he was saved
by the alien! Remember that now?
Actually, no. It has been a few years since I have read it, and I
have read A LOT of books since.
I think I've read "Childhood's End" 4 times since ~1956. At
least three. And I think I'll be doing it again soon. It's one of the
greatest worls of sci-fi.
Ever read "The Star Kings," by Edmond Hamilton?
Sorry, but I do not think that I have heard of the book or
the author.
That's my ALL-time favorite, and I've read it perhaps 7 times.
Including out loud to my 6th-graders when I taught school in
Lancaster, California, as part of a reading comprehension project.
I'd FIRST read it ~ 1955 or so, and that was in 1968.
Leigh Brackett was Hamilton's wife. Also a great S-F writer.
If there *ever* was an author I'd have LOVED to heve met, it
would have been Edmond Hamilton!
In 1993, while visiting my Russian fiancee in the suburban
(Mitishchi) Moscow apartment in which she and her parents lived,
I noticed a book on the couch that her father had been reading.
I've never learned much Russian, but I can transpose the Cyrillic
alphabet to ours. And I was startled to see the book's author's
name, in, of course, Cyrillic: Edmond Hamilton! He was reading
"The Star Kings" (!!) For the half hour that followed, we had a
grand time talking about the book's characters and plot lines!
Turned out to be HIS favorite novel, too!
A couple of years after that, I found a paperback in a used book
store, entitled, "The Best of Edmond Hamilton." The works chosen for
it had been selected by Hamilton's widow; Hamilton having died a few
years before. I forget the exact year that she wrote the Forward, so
I'll guess 1977. She signed it:
Leigh Brackett
Lancaster, California, 1977
While I had been reading my favorite novel by my favorite author
to my 6th graders in 1968 -- Hamilton had been alive and well mere
BLOCKS away from me!! And I never knew it! Not only could I have
met him -- but i might even have been able to bring him in to met my
class at the end of that reading project. How fascinating THAT would
have been!!
That would have been great for the students (and you, a fan).
Especially if he could make it an annual event. The students would
have loved it.
It would have been phenomenal. It it probably was so POSSIBLE,
if only I could have known!
One of my favorite authors is Robert Heinlein, and my favorite book by
him is also one of his Hugo Award winners, "A Stranger in a Strange
Land". I have read it several times, both in the original published
version, and the more recent unabridged version. It makes for a great
commentary on life and beliefs and traditions, and why so many of them
seem so arbitrary.
I've always enjoyed Heinlein, and he may be the first S-F author
whose books I read as a kid. He wrote lots of books tailored for
adolescents.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,480 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 2 Jan 2005 21:28:59 -0800,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that
novel,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
The ocean does not always recede quickly and suddenly before
a tsunami strike. In this case, it did, but that warning is not
guarenteed.
True. But WHEN that symptom presents itself, as it did this
time, it is pretty much 100% certain that a tsunami will follow
within
minutes. So widespread awareness of that COULD have saved
thousands.
No argument, and I agree.
P.S. *Childhood's End* was a favorite of mine, and I have read it
several times. I do not remember any tsunami being mentioned.
However, I do like the form that he chose for the aliens. :-)
Yeah. A lot of analogies connected with Karellen!
Recall that "childhood's end" (the event, not the book's
title)
BEGAN with *one* person; he was the mutation/seed for the whole
progression that followed. But as a child, that one person ALMOST
was killed because he started to investigate the exposed beach --
just as so many kids did this week in SE Asia. And he was saved
by the alien! Remember that now?
Actually, no. It has been a few years since I have read it,
and I
have read A LOT of books since.
I think I've read "Childhood's End" 4 times since ~1956. At
least three. And I think I'll be doing it again soon. It's one
of the
greatest worls of sci-fi.
Ever read "The Star Kings," by Edmond Hamilton?
Sorry, but I do not think that I have heard of the book or
the author.
That's my ALL-time favorite, and I've read it perhaps 7 times.
Including out loud to my 6th-graders when I taught school in
Lancaster, California, as part of a reading comprehension project.
I'd FIRST read it ~ 1955 or so, and that was in 1968.
Leigh Brackett was Hamilton's wife. Also a great S-F writer.
If there *ever* was an author I'd have LOVED to heve met, it
would have been Edmond Hamilton!
In 1993, while visiting my Russian fiancee in the suburban
(Mitishchi) Moscow apartment in which she and her parents lived,
I noticed a book on the couch that her father had been reading.
I've never learned much Russian, but I can transpose the Cyrillic
alphabet to ours. And I was startled to see the book's author's
name, in, of course, Cyrillic: Edmond Hamilton! He was reading
"The Star Kings" (!!) For the half hour that followed, we had a
grand time talking about the book's characters and plot lines!
Turned out to be HIS favorite novel, too!
A couple of years after that, I found a paperback in a used
book
store, entitled, "The Best of Edmond Hamilton." The works chosen
for
it had been selected by Hamilton's widow; Hamilton having died a
few
years before. I forget the exact year that she wrote the Forward,
so
I'll guess 1977. She signed it:
Leigh Brackett
Lancaster, California, 1977
While I had been reading my favorite novel by my favorite
author
to my 6th graders in 1968 -- Hamilton had been alive and well mere
BLOCKS away from me!! And I never knew it! Not only could I have
met him -- but i might even have been able to bring him in to met
my
class at the end of that reading project. How fascinating THAT
would
have been!!
That would have been great for the students (and you, a fan).
Especially if he could make it an annual event. The students would
have loved it.
It would have been phenomenal. It it probably was so POSSIBLE,
if only I could have known!
One of my favorite authors is Robert Heinlein, and my favorite
book by
him is also one of his Hugo Award winners, "A Stranger in a Strange
Land". I have read it several times, both in the original
published
version, and the more recent unabridged version. It makes for a
great
commentary on life and beliefs and traditions, and why so many of
them
seem so arbitrary.
I've always enjoyed Heinlein, and he may be the first S-F author
whose books I read as a kid. He wrote lots of books tailored for
adolescents.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
His early novels, his "juveniles". "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel",
"Star Beast", "The Rolling Stones", "Rocketship Galileo", "Starman
Jones", "Space Cadet", "Starship Troopers", and all the rest. He wrote
these to break into writing more than anything else. And one
interesting point that many people can miss. His female main
characters were almost always strong-willed, independent females, quite
capable of taking care of themselves. They certainly did not fit the
stereotype of women being weak and needing saving that was prevelent at
the time. It was more likely that his women would do the saving, not
need to be saved.
Interesting side note, Heinlein worte the novel and was a consultant
for the movie "Destination Moon", which received an Oscar in 1951 for
best special effects. Again, a strong female lead.
Mark Sebree
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On 3 Jan 2005 13:12:42 -0800, "Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net>
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,480 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 2 Jan 2005 21:28:59 -0800,
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
Mark Sebree <sebree@infionline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that
novel,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
The ocean does not always recede quickly and suddenly before
a tsunami strike. In this case, it did, but that warning is not
guarenteed.
True. But WHEN that symptom presents itself, as it did this
time, it is pretty much 100% certain that a tsunami will follow
within
minutes. So widespread awareness of that COULD have saved
thousands.
No argument, and I agree.
P.S. *Childhood's End* was a favorite of mine, and I have read it
several times. I do not remember any tsunami being mentioned.
However, I do like the form that he chose for the aliens. :-)
Yeah. A lot of analogies connected with Karellen!
Recall that "childhood's end" (the event, not the book's
title)
BEGAN with *one* person; he was the mutation/seed for the whole
progression that followed. But as a child, that one person ALMOST
was killed because he started to investigate the exposed beach --
just as so many kids did this week in SE Asia. And he was saved
by the alien! Remember that now?
Actually, no. It has been a few years since I have read it,
and I
have read A LOT of books since.
I think I've read "Childhood's End" 4 times since ~1956. At
least three. And I think I'll be doing it again soon. It's one
of the
greatest worls of sci-fi.
Ever read "The Star Kings," by Edmond Hamilton?
Sorry, but I do not think that I have heard of the book or
the author.
That's my ALL-time favorite, and I've read it perhaps 7 times.
Including out loud to my 6th-graders when I taught school in
Lancaster, California, as part of a reading comprehension project.
I'd FIRST read it ~ 1955 or so, and that was in 1968.
Leigh Brackett was Hamilton's wife. Also a great S-F writer.
If there *ever* was an author I'd have LOVED to heve met, it
would have been Edmond Hamilton!
In 1993, while visiting my Russian fiancee in the suburban
(Mitishchi) Moscow apartment in which she and her parents lived,
I noticed a book on the couch that her father had been reading.
I've never learned much Russian, but I can transpose the Cyrillic
alphabet to ours. And I was startled to see the book's author's
name, in, of course, Cyrillic: Edmond Hamilton! He was reading
"The Star Kings" (!!) For the half hour that followed, we had a
grand time talking about the book's characters and plot lines!
Turned out to be HIS favorite novel, too!
A couple of years after that, I found a paperback in a used
book
store, entitled, "The Best of Edmond Hamilton." The works chosen
for
it had been selected by Hamilton's widow; Hamilton having died a
few
years before. I forget the exact year that she wrote the Forward,
so
I'll guess 1977. She signed it:
Leigh Brackett
Lancaster, California, 1977
While I had been reading my favorite novel by my favorite
author
to my 6th graders in 1968 -- Hamilton had been alive and well mere
BLOCKS away from me!! And I never knew it! Not only could I have
met him -- but i might even have been able to bring him in to met
my
class at the end of that reading project. How fascinating THAT
would
have been!!
That would have been great for the students (and you, a fan).
Especially if he could make it an annual event. The students would
have loved it.
It would have been phenomenal. It it probably was so POSSIBLE,
if only I could have known!
One of my favorite authors is Robert Heinlein, and my favorite
book by
him is also one of his Hugo Award winners, "A Stranger in a Strange
Land". I have read it several times, both in the original
published
version, and the more recent unabridged version. It makes for a
great
commentary on life and beliefs and traditions, and why so many of
them
seem so arbitrary.
I've always enjoyed Heinlein, and he may be the first S-F author
whose books I read as a kid. He wrote lots of books tailored for
adolescents.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
His early novels, his "juveniles". "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel",
"Star Beast", "The Rolling Stones", "Rocketship Galileo", "Starman
Jones", "Space Cadet", "Starship Troopers", and all the rest. He wrote
these to break into writing more than anything else. And one
interesting point that many people can miss. His female main
characters were almost always strong-willed, independent females, quite
capable of taking care of themselves. They certainly did not fit the
stereotype of women being weak and needing saving that was prevelent at
the time. It was more likely that his women would do the saving, not
need to be saved.
Interesting side note, Heinlein worte the novel and was a consultant
for the movie "Destination Moon", which received an Oscar in 1951 for
best special effects. Again, a strong female lead.
At one time I was in love with Friday.
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"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,486 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually posted on the
beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on information gleaned
from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The officials in Sri Lanka
ignored information about the earth quake.
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29 Dec 2004 10:04:51 AM |
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On 29 Dec 2004 05:48:09 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually posted on the
beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on information gleaned
from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The officials in Sri Lanka
ignored information about the earth quake.
A well-written novel can make a strong impression. Ever since I
read that book 50 years ago as a teenager, there's no doubt that if
I'd ever seen a tide going out abnormally, I'd have been heading for
the hills *immediately*.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
29 Dec 2004 01:55:27 PM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,485 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:41d4d4d3.86399316@netnews.mchsi.com...
On 29 Dec 2004 05:48:09 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually posted on
the
beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on information gleaned
from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The officials in Sri Lanka
ignored information about the earth quake.
A well-written novel can make a strong impression. Ever since I
read that book 50 years ago as a teenager, there's no doubt that if
I'd ever seen a tide going out abnormally, I'd have been heading for
the hills *immediately*.
I noted the receding water effect while observing an underwater nuclear
burst at Eniwetok in 1958. The return slosh was impressive but not
particularly dangerous.
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29 Dec 2004 07:15:48 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:55:27 -0500,
Ken Cornelius <ke8732co@comcast.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually posted on
the beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on information
gleaned from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The officials in
Sri Lanka ignored information about the earth quake.
A well-written novel can make a strong impression. Ever since I
read that book 50 years ago as a teenager, there's no doubt that if
I'd ever seen a tide going out abnormally, I'd have been heading for
the hills *immediately*.
I noted the receding water effect while observing an underwater
nuclear burst at Eniwetok in 1958. The return slosh was impressive
but not particularly dangerous.
But -- remember that the earthquake that triggered this tsunami
released the energy equivalant of a *million* Hiroshima (20 kt)
A-bombs. It's likely that none of our Pacific H-bomb tests' yields
exceeded 20 mt. A 20 mt H-bomb is only 1,000 times more powerful
than a 20 kt A-bomb. This quake was 1,000 times more powerful than
THAT. Thus, at least 1,000 times more energy was released by it than
was released by the bomb test you witnessed.
(And -- you got to WITNESS an actual atmospheric H-bomb
test? You *****LUCKY***** devil! I'd about have given my eye teeth
to have had THAT experience!! I was 17 in 1958. Old enough to
appreciate the spectacular nature of the tests, but not in a position
to be able to get out there. Were you in the military, or working in
a civilian capacity?)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
30 Dec 2004 08:18:55 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,485 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:55:27 -0500,
Ken Cornelius <ke8732co@comcast.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that
novel, ,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually
posted on
the beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on
information
gleaned from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The
officials in
Sri Lanka ignored information about the earth quake.
A well-written novel can make a strong impression. Ever since
I
read that book 50 years ago as a teenager, there's no doubt that
if
I'd ever seen a tide going out abnormally, I'd have been heading
for
the hills *immediately*.
I noted the receding water effect while observing an underwater
nuclear burst at Eniwetok in 1958. The return slosh was impressive
but not particularly dangerous.
But -- remember that the earthquake that triggered this tsunami
released the energy equivalant of a *million* Hiroshima (20 kt)
A-bombs. It's likely that none of our Pacific H-bomb tests' yields
exceeded 20 mt. A 20 mt H-bomb is only 1,000 times more powerful
than a 20 kt A-bomb. This quake was 1,000 times more powerful than
THAT. Thus, at least 1,000 times more energy was released by it than
was released by the bomb test you witnessed.
There were some eye witness accounts given by people who were in beach
front hotels hit by the tsunami who said they didn't feel the quake. I
don't know what the normal wave action is in places like Sri Lanka, but
rapidly receding water might not cause undue alarm. People frequently
get caught on the beaches here because, when the tide is coming in,
there is often a huge recede and they think they have more time than
they do. Happened once to a neighbor of mine and he's lived in the
area and gone to the beach daily for about 20 years.
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
30 Dec 2004 08:06:09 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,485 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 29 Dec 2004 05:48:09 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel,
,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually posted
on the
beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on information
gleaned
from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The officials in Sri
Lanka
ignored information about the earth quake.
A well-written novel can make a strong impression. Ever since I
read that book 50 years ago as a teenager, there's no doubt that if
I'd ever seen a tide going out abnormally, I'd have been heading for
the hills *immediately*.
And I read and take seriously the warning signs on the beaches near
where I live. I've read about too many deaths of people who do not
heed the warnings. But I'm one person. People who do otherwise keep
the coast guard busy. The truth is, you don't really know what you
would do in that situation. You might see that the rest of the crowd
on the beach isn't alarmed by the wave action and stay put. If you
did recall what was in the novel, you might tell yourself that, since
no one else seems alarmed, what occurred in the novel might have been
an exaggeration of reality. You're also assuming that thousands of
people were on the beach observing the water. BTW, last artcile I read
said that some of the staff of Arthur C. Clarke himself are still
unaccounted for.
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have a total of 15
minutes to get to high ground. The conjested traffic would make it
impossible for many to escape in time. It would take more than reading
a novel to save thousands.
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
30 Dec 2004 08:53:03 PM |
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On 30 Dec 2004 06:06:09 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
... thousands FEWER might have died in the tsunami.
Those who have read it know why.
He envisioned such a scenario over 50 years ago in that novel,
and described the "receding-ocean" warning sign with dead
accuracy.
Oh, please. People don't read the warning signs actually posted
on the beaches. People aren't going to remember or act on information
gleaned from a sci-fi novel when an emergency hits. The officials in Sri
Lanka ignored information about the earth quake.
A well-written novel can make a strong impression. Ever since I
read that book 50 years ago as a teenager, there's no doubt that if
I'd ever seen a tide going out abnormally, I'd have been heading for
the hills *immediately*.
And I read and take seriously the warning signs on the beaches
near where I live.
Where's that?
There are some very strict and pointed warnings posted on the
trails above beaches along the Bay of Fundy, in New Brunswick.
(Possibly also on the Nova Scotia side, too, but I haven't visted the
beaches there.) That bay has the world's higest tides, which often
come in in the form of a "tidal bore" that resembles the waves we
saw advancing toward the shore in the tsunami.
I've read about too many deaths of people who do not heed the
warnings. But I'm one person. People who do otherwise keep
the coast guard busy. The truth is, you don't really know what you
would do in that situation. You might see that the rest of the crowd
on the beach isn't alarmed by the wave action and stay put. If you
did recall what was in the novel, you might tell yourself that, since
no one else seems alarmed, what occurred in the novel might have
been an exaggeration of reality. You're also assuming that thousands
of people were on the beach observing the water. BTW, last artcile
I read said that some of the staff of Arthur C. Clarke himself are still
unaccounted for.
That's a shame. I hope they're all OK. In some places, the water
reached far inland, and if they were in such a location, they probably
had no such sign to warn them.
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have a total
of 15 minutes to get to high ground. The conjested traffic would make it
impossible for many to escape in time. It would take more than reading
a novel to save thousands.
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment of three
elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly **everyone** either
would have to have read the novel, or else the lore derived from it
would have needed to have pervaded the consciousness of most
of the population... native and tourists alike. (2) At least many
hundreds of those people would have had to have been on or near
the beach. (3) they'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others farther inland
as they fled. And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the survivors
made it because they either HAD read that novel, or had heard about
that effect from some other source, and then had fled as soon as they
noticed the strange behavior of the sea.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
01 Jan 2005 08:33:33 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,485 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 06:06:09 -0800,
That's a shame. I hope they're all OK. In some places, the
water
reached far inland, and if they were in such a location, they
probably
had no such sign to warn them.
They were beach front.
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have a total
of 15 minutes to get to high ground. The conjested traffic would
make it
impossible for many to escape in time. It would take more than
reading
a novel to save thousands.
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment of three
elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly **everyone** either
would have to have read the novel, or else the lore derived from it
would have needed to have pervaded the consciousness of most
of the population... native and tourists alike.
How do you suppose that's possible if posted warning signs they've read
two minutes ago make no impression?
(2) At least many
hundreds of those people would have had to have been on or near
the beach.
How are hundreds of people going to effectively warn 120,000?
(3) they'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others farther inland
as they fled.
How? Going door to door while fleeing the tsunami which was traveling
faster than a car can travel?
And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the survivors
made it because they either HAD read that novel, or had heard about
that effect from some other source, and then had fled as soon as they
noticed the strange behavior of the sea.
I'll repeat that some of Arthur C. Clarke's own staff is still missing.
These posts truly show just how far out in fantasy land you really
live.
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01 Jan 2005 01:13:16 PM |
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On 1 Jan 2005 06:33:33 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
That's a shame. I hope Arthur C. Clarke and his staff are all
OK. In some places, the water reached far inland, and if they
were in such a location, they probably had no such sign to warn
them.
They were beach front.
I'm betting they didn't have signs there, either. See below.
(BTW, I'll bet that if Clarke saw the water receding, all that anyone
would have seen of him seconds later would have been a little trail
of white puffs showing the direction that he RAN in. We know from
his novel that he'd have had no doubt of what was about to follow.)
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have
a total of 15 minutes to get to high ground. The conjested traffic
would make it impossible for many to escape in time. It would
take more than reading a novel to save thousands.
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment
of three elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly
**everyone** either would have to have read the novel, or else
the lore derived from it would have needed to have pervaded
the consciousness of most of the population... native and
tourists alike.
How do you suppose that's possible if posted warning signs
they've read two minutes ago make no impression?
Ah -- but did those posted warning signs say anything about a
strange OUTFLOW of water from the shore? And in that part of the
world, did they have any warning signs AT ALL about tsunamis. I used
to live in California, and I never saw sign ONE about tsunamis on ANY
beach there. The the Pacific has historically been far more prone to
them than the Indian Ocean. My bet is that there were NO tsunami
warning signs in that entire affected region for people *to* heed.
(2) At least many hundreds of those people would have had
to have been on or near the beach.
How are hundreds of people going to effectively warn 120,000?
Where whole islands are overwhelmed, they probably wouldn't have
had a chance. But out of 120,000 (by now 150,000 and still climbing),
I'll bet that SEVERAL thousand could have been saved by knowing that
warning sign.
(3) They'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others
farther inland as they fled.
How? Going door to door while fleeing the tsunami which was
traveling faster than a car can travel?
Once it hit land, it often was outrunnable. But I was talking
about the 3-5 minutes BEFORE it hit land. Hollering "Run for your
lives! Tidal wave!!" WHILE running inland would have had a ripple
effect. THINK about it. If you're **capable** of thinking.
And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the survivors
made it because they either HAD read that novel, or had heard about
that effect from some other source, and then had fled as soon as they
noticed the strange behavior of the sea.
I'll repeat that some of Arthur C. Clarke's own staff is still missing.
These posts truly show just how far out in fantasy land you really
live.
That's okay. You just keep right on writing the sort of ignorant
tripe you wrote in this post, and people will continue to see that ONE
of us *does* live in fantasyland -- and that it's not me.
Are you REALLY as dumb as most of your posts indicate, or
are you just dumb enough to be a TROLL?
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
02 Jan 2005 07:38:10 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,485 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 1 Jan 2005 06:33:33 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
That's a shame. I hope Arthur C. Clarke and his staff are all
OK. In some places, the water reached far inland, and if they
were in such a location, they probably had no such sign to warn
them.
They were beach front.
I'm betting they didn't have signs there, either. See below.
(BTW, I'll bet that if Clarke saw the water receding,
He wasn't beach side.
all that anyone
would have seen of him seconds later would have been a little trail
of white puffs showing the direction that he RAN in. We know from
his novel that he'd have had no doubt of what was about to follow.)
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have
a total of 15 minutes to get to high ground. The conjested
traffic
would make it impossible for many to escape in time. It would
take more than reading a novel to save thousands.
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment
of three elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly
**everyone** either would have to have read the novel, or else
the lore derived from it would have needed to have pervaded
the consciousness of most of the population... native and
tourists alike.
How do you suppose that's possible if posted warning signs
they've read two minutes ago make no impression?
Ah -- but did those posted warning signs say anything about a
strange OUTFLOW of water from the shore? And in that part of the
world, did they have any warning signs AT ALL about tsunamis.
Chilton, I'm trying to tell you that there are posted warning signs
about beach dangers near where I live and the coast guard is kept busy
by people who do not heed them. Yet you expect people to act
rationally based on something they've read in a novel possibly within
the last decade of their lives. Get a reality check.
I used
to live in California, and I never saw sign ONE about tsunamis on ANY
beach there.
And?
The the Pacific has historically been far more prone to
them than the Indian Ocean. My bet is that there were NO tsunami
warning signs in that entire affected region for people *to* heed.
I never said there were. I'm telling you that people don't heed the
warning signs about dangers that do exist.....sneaker waves for one.
Climbing on logs on beaches for another. Going past certain danger
points for a third. My all time favorite although this doesn't
necessarily put anyone in physical danger....touching and even removing
seal pups.
(2) At least many hundreds of those people would have had
to have been on or near the beach.
How are hundreds of people going to effectively warn 120,000?
Where whole islands are overwhelmed, they probably wouldn't have
had a chance. But out of 120,000 (by now 150,000 and still
climbing),
I'll bet that SEVERAL thousand could have been saved by knowing that
warning sign.
Only if several thousand were actually on the beaches. Many of them
were in homes or hotels going about their regular business. I can see
the water from my home and I can tell you that I don't pay that much
attention unless I'm in the mood to look for whales during migration or
there's a good sunset. Even if I did glance out the window at that
particular time, I'm not sure I would have thought anything of it
considering the dramatic water receding that takes place while the tide
is going out.
(3) They'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others
farther inland as they fled.
How? Going door to door while fleeing the tsunami which was
traveling faster than a car can travel?
Once it hit land, it often was outrunnable.
Depends on how far inland you're talking about.
But I was talking
about the 3-5 minutes BEFORE it hit land. Hollering "Run for your
lives! Tidal wave!!" WHILE running inland would have had a ripple
effect. THINK about it. If you're **capable** of thinking.
Hint: Reaction time.
And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the
survivors
made it because they either HAD read that novel, or had heard
about
that effect from some other source, and then had fled as soon as
they
noticed the strange behavior of the sea.
I'll repeat that some of Arthur C. Clarke's own staff is still
missing.
These posts truly show just how far out in fantasy land you really
live.
That's okay. You just keep right on writing the sort of
ignorant
tripe you wrote in this post, and people will continue to see that
ONE
of us *does* live in fantasyland -- and that it's not me.
Are you REALLY as dumb as most of your posts indicate, or
are you just dumb enough to be a TROLL?
You're the one claiming that reading a novel would have saved lives
when it didn't even work for members of the novelist's own staff.
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02 Jan 2005 01:34:43 PM |
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On 2 Jan 2005 05:38:10 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
That's a shame. I hope Arthur C. Clarke and his staff are all
OK. In some places, the water reached far inland, and if they
were in such a location, they probably had no such sign to warn
them.
They were beach front.
I'm betting they didn't have signs there, either. See below.
(BTW, I'll bet that if Clarke saw the water receding, ...
He wasn't beach side.
What part of "if" was beyound your reading comprehension
capabilities?
...all that anyone would have seen of him seconds later would
have been a little trail of white puffs showing the direction that he
RAN in. We know from his novel that he'd have had no doubt of
what was about to follow.)
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have
a total of 15 minutes to get to high ground. The conjested
traffic would make it impossible for many to escape in time. It
would take more than reading a novel to save thousands.
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment
of three elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly
**everyone** either would have to have read the novel, or else
the lore derived from it would have needed to have pervaded
the consciousness of most of the population... native and
tourists alike.
How do you suppose that's possible if posted warning signs
they've read two minutes ago make no impression?
Ah -- but did those posted warning signs say anything about a
strange OUTFLOW of water from the shore? And in that part of the
world, did they have any warning signs AT ALL about tsunamis.
Chilton, I'm trying to tell you that there are posted warning signs
about beach dangers near where I live and the coast guard is kept busy
by people who do not heed them. Yet you expect people to act
rationally based on something they've read in a novel possibly within
the last decade of their lives. Get a reality check.
Where did I say that EVERY person who read that novel would have
recalled what it said, and act accordingly?
I used to live in California, and I never saw sign ONE about
tsunamis on ANY beach there. The the Pacific has historically been
far more prone to them than the Indian Ocean. My bet is that there
were NO tsunami warning signs in that entire affected region for
people *to* heed.
I never said there were. I'm telling you that people don't heed the
warning signs about dangers that do exist.....sneaker waves for one.
Climbing on logs on beaches for another. Going past certain danger
points for a third. My all time favorite although this doesn't necessarily
put anyone in physical danger....touching and even removing seal pups.
See what I said above.
If *I* remembered, 50 years later, what Clarke said in his novel
about water receding and tidal wave to follow, then it follows that a
certain PERCENTAGE of other readers of that novel would have
remembered that also, and would have headed for the hills if they
saw that happening. Thus, IF large numbers of people in the affected
area HAD read the novel, and then fled, shouting a warning as they
ran, there's a good chance that thousands of lives might have been
saved.
Do you GET it THIS time? Or are you going to continue with your
silly TROLL routine?
(2) At least many hundreds of those people would have had
to have been on or near the beach.
How are hundreds of people going to effectively warn 120,000?
Where whole islands are overwhelmed, they probably wouldn't
have had a chance. But out of 120,000 (by now 150,000 and still
climbing), I'll bet that SEVERAL thousand could have been saved
by knowing that warning sign.
Only if several thousand were actually on the beaches. Many of them
were in homes or hotels going about their regular business. I can see
the water from my home and I can tell you that I don't pay that much
attention unless I'm in the mood to look for whales during migration or
there's a good sunset. Even if I did glance out the window at that
particular time, I'm not sure I would have thought anything of it
considering the dramatic water receding that takes place while the tide
is going out.
And if several people ran past your house screaming "TIDAL WAVE!!"
at the top of their lungs, you'd have ignored that too, right?
(3) They'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others
farther inland as they fled.
How? Going door to door while fleeing the tsunami which was
traveling faster than a car can travel?
Once it hit land, it often was outrunnable.
Depends on how far inland you're talking about.
The terrain and the strength of the wave in any given location
were both factors.
But I was talking about the 3-5 minutes BEFORE it hit land.
Hollering "Run for your lives! Tidal wave!!" WHILE running inland
would have had a ripple effect. THINK about it. If you're **capable**
of thinking.
Hint: Reaction time.
Hint: Fight or flight; adrenaline.
And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the
survivors made it because they either HAD read that novel,
or had heard about that effect from some other source, and
then had fled as soon as they noticed the strange behavior
of the sea.
I'll repeat that some of Arthur C. Clarke's own staff is still
missing. These posts truly show just how far out in fantasy land
you really live.
That's okay. You just keep right on writing the sort of
ignorant tripe you wrote in this post, and people will continue to
see that ONE of us *does* live in fantasyland -- and that it's not me.
Are you REALLY as dumb as most of your posts indicate, or
are you just dumb enough to be a TROLL?
You're the one claiming that reading a novel would have saved
lives when it didn't even work for members of the novelist's own staff.
I once worked as a tech writer for an editor who happened to be
an author. Thiry years ago. To this day, I have yet to have read any
of his books.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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03 Jan 2005 08:04:17 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,481 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 2 Jan 2005 05:38:10 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
That's a shame. I hope Arthur C. Clarke and his staff are
all
OK. In some places, the water reached far inland, and if they
were in such a location, they probably had no such sign to warn
them.
They were beach front.
I'm betting they didn't have signs there, either. See below.
(BTW, I'll bet that if Clarke saw the water receding, ...
He wasn't beach side.
What part of "if" was beyound your reading comprehension
capabilities?
...all that anyone would have seen of him seconds later would
have been a little trail of white puffs showing the direction that
he
RAN in. We know from his novel that he'd have had no doubt of
what was about to follow.)
We have a warning system here but experts say we'd have
a total of 15 minutes to get to high ground. The conjested
traffic would make it impossible for many to escape in time.
It
would take more than reading a novel to save thousands.
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment
of three elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly
**everyone** either would have to have read the novel, or else
the lore derived from it would have needed to have pervaded
the consciousness of most of the population... native and
tourists alike.
How do you suppose that's possible if posted warning signs
they've read two minutes ago make no impression?
Ah -- but did those posted warning signs say anything about a
strange OUTFLOW of water from the shore? And in that part of the
world, did they have any warning signs AT ALL about tsunamis.
Chilton, I'm trying to tell you that there are posted warning
signs
about beach dangers near where I live and the coast guard is kept
busy
by people who do not heed them. Yet you expect people to act
rationally based on something they've read in a novel possibly
within
the last decade of their lives. Get a reality check.
Where did I say that EVERY person who read that novel would have
recalled what it said, and act accordingly?
I used to live in California, and I never saw sign ONE about
tsunamis on ANY beach there. The the Pacific has historically been
far more prone to them than the Indian Ocean. My bet is that
there
were NO tsunami warning signs in that entire affected region for
people *to* heed.
I never said there were. I'm telling you that people don't
heed the
warning signs about dangers that do exist.....sneaker waves for
one.
Climbing on logs on beaches for another. Going past certain danger
points for a third. My all time favorite although this doesn't
necessarily
put anyone in physical danger....touching and even removing seal
pups.
See what I said above.
If *I* remembered, 50 years later, what Clarke said in his novel
about water receding and tidal wave to follow, then it follows that a
certain PERCENTAGE of other readers of that novel would have
remembered that also, and would have headed for the hills if they
saw that happening. Thus, IF large numbers of people in the affected
area HAD read the novel, and then fled, shouting a warning as they
ran, there's a good chance that thousands of lives might have been
saved.
Do you GET it THIS time? Or are you going to continue with your
silly TROLL routine?
(2) At least many hundreds of those people would have had
to have been on or near the beach.
How are hundreds of people going to effectively warn 120,000?
Where whole islands are overwhelmed, they probably wouldn't
have had a chance. But out of 120,000 (by now 150,000 and still
climbing), I'll bet that SEVERAL thousand could have been saved
by knowing that warning sign.
Only if several thousand were actually on the beaches. Many of
them
were in homes or hotels going about their regular business. I can
see
the water from my home and I can tell you that I don't pay that
much
attention unless I'm in the mood to look for whales during
migration or
there's a good sunset. Even if I did glance out the window at that
particular time, I'm not sure I would have thought anything of it
considering the dramatic water receding that takes place while the
tide
is going out.
And if several people ran past your house screaming "TIDAL
WAVE!!"
at the top of their lungs, you'd have ignored that too, right?
(3) They'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others
farther inland as they fled.
How? Going door to door while fleeing the tsunami which was
traveling faster than a car can travel?
Once it hit land, it often was outrunnable.
Depends on how far inland you're talking about.
The terrain and the strength of the wave in any given location
were both factors.
But I was talking about the 3-5 minutes BEFORE it hit land.
Hollering "Run for your lives! Tidal wave!!" WHILE running inland
would have had a ripple effect. THINK about it. If you're
**capable**
of thinking.
Hint: Reaction time.
Hint: Fight or flight; adrenaline.
And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the
survivors made it because they either HAD read that novel,
or had heard about that effect from some other source, and
then had fled as soon as they noticed the strange behavior
of the sea.
I'll repeat that some of Arthur C. Clarke's own staff is
still
missing. These posts truly show just how far out in fantasy land
you really live.
That's okay. You just keep right on writing the sort of
ignorant tripe you wrote in this post, and people will continue to
see that ONE of us *does* live in fantasyland -- and that it's not
me.
Are you REALLY as dumb as most of your posts indicate, or
are you just dumb enough to be a TROLL?
You're the one claiming that reading a novel would have saved
lives when it didn't even work for members of the novelist's own
staff.
I once worked as a tech writer for an editor who happened to be
an author. Thiry years ago. To this day, I have yet to have read
any
of his books.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: IF ONLY more people had read, "Childhood's End," by Sri Lanka resident, Arthur C. Clarke... |
03 Jan 2005 09:08:14 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,481 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 2 Jan 2005 05:38:10 -0800,
My assumption, of course, would take the accomplishment
of three elements to have accomplished that: (1) Nearly
**everyone** either would have to have read the novel, or else
the lore derived from it would have needed to have pervaded
the consciousness of most of the population... native and
tourists alike.
How do you suppose that's possible if posted warning signs
they've read two minutes ago make no impression?
Ah -- but did those posted warning signs say anything about a
strange OUTFLOW of water from the shore? And in that part of the
world, did they have any warning signs AT ALL about tsunamis.
Chilton, I'm trying to tell you that there are posted warning
signs
about beach dangers near where I live and the coast guard is kept
busy
by people who do not heed them. Yet you expect people to act
rationally based on something they've read in a novel possibly
within
the last decade of their lives. Get a reality check.
Where did I say that EVERY person who read that novel would have
recalled what it said, and act accordingly?
Where did I say that you said "every?"
I used to live in California, and I never saw sign ONE about
tsunamis on ANY beach there. The the Pacific has historically been
far more prone to them than the Indian Ocean. My bet is that
there
were NO tsunami warning signs in that entire affected region for
people *to* heed.
I never said there were. I'm telling you that people don't
heed the
warning signs about dangers that do exist.....sneaker waves for
one.
Climbing on logs on beaches for another. Going past certain danger
points for a third. My all time favorite although this doesn't
necessarily
put anyone in physical danger....touching and even removing seal
pups.
See what I said above.
Why? It was as meaningless as everything else you've ever said.
If *I* remembered, 50 years later, what Clarke said in his novel
about water receding and tidal wave to follow, then it follows that a
certain PERCENTAGE of other readers of that novel would have
remembered that also, and would have headed for the hills if they
saw that happening. Thus, IF large numbers of people in the affected
area HAD read the novel, and then fled, shouting a warning as they
ran, there's a good chance that thousands of lives might have been
saved.
And, chances are, the men in white coats and big nets are going to come
after you in the near future. Hint: You don't really know how you
would have reacted in that situation.
Do you GET it THIS time?
I got it the first time. You're an idiot.
(2) At least many hundreds of those people would have had
to have been on or near the beach.
How are hundreds of people going to effectively warn 120,000?
Where whole islands are overwhelmed, they probably wouldn't
have had a chance. But out of 120,000 (by now 150,000 and still
climbing), I'll bet that SEVERAL thousand could have been saved
by knowing that warning sign.
Only if several thousand were actually on the beaches. Many of
them
were in homes or hotels going about their regular business. I can
see
the water from my home and I can tell you that I don't pay that
much
attention unless I'm in the mood to look for whales during
migration or
there's a good sunset. Even if I did glance out the window at that
particular time, I'm not sure I would have thought anything of it
considering the dramatic water receding that takes place while the
tide
is going out.
And if several people ran past your house screaming "TIDAL
WAVE!!"
at the top of their lungs, you'd have ignored that too, right?
As close as I am, it wouldn't have given me time to react. If my
windows are shut, I probably wouldn't even be able to discern what they
were yelling.
(3) They'd have had to have immediately ACTED upon
seeing the receding of the water, and warned others
farther inland as they fled.
How? Going door to door while fleeing the tsunami which was
traveling faster than a car can travel?
Once it hit land, it often was outrunnable.
Depends on how far inland you're talking about.
The terrain and the strength of the wave in any given location
were both factors.
Duh. If you want to prove your point, why not do a study on the
terrains and wave action and get back to us.
But I was talking about the 3-5 minutes BEFORE it hit land.
Hollering "Run for your lives! Tidal wave!!" WHILE running inland
would have had a ripple effect. THINK about it. If you're
**capable**
of thinking.
Hint: Reaction time.
Hint: Fight or flight; adrenaline.
Take a good look at how people really did react....even those who
understood what was happening. Then get back to us.
And since over 120,000 died... that combination COULD
have saved many thousands.
But it would be interesting to know just how many of the
survivors made it because they either HAD read that novel,
or had heard about that effect from some other source, and
then had fled as soon as they noticed the strange behavior
of the sea.
I'll repeat that some of Arthur C. Clarke's own staff is
still
missing. These posts truly show just how far out in fantasy land
you really live.
That's okay. You just keep right on writing the sort of
ignorant tripe you wrote in this post, and people will continue to
see that ONE of us *does* live in fantasyland -- and that it's not
me.
Are you REALLY as dumb as most of your posts indicate, or
are you just dumb enough to be a TROLL?
You're the one claiming that reading a novel would have saved
lives when it didn't even work for members of the novelist's own
staff.
I once worked as a tech writer for an editor who happened to be
an author. Thiry years ago. To this day, I have yet to have read
any
of his books.
I doubt you've read many books at all. Is there a point in there other
than you think most other people would or do behave as you think you
would?
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03 Jan 2005 02:08:38 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 07:08:14 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
<Lots of TROLLISH responses flushed>
Take a good look at how people really did react....even
those who understood what was happening. Then get back
to us.
According to "Good Morning, America," this morning (1/3/05),
fully 100 lives are credited with having been saved because just ONE
10-year-old girl tourist recognized that the receding water meant, and
creamed at them to flee inland.
SO MUCH for **your** profound idiocy, anonymous loser.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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03 Jan 2005 09:22:08 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2005 07:08:14 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
<Lots of TROLLISH responses flushed>
Take a good look at how people really did react....even
those who understood what was happening. Then get back
to us.
According to "Good Morning, America," this morning (1/3/05),
fully 100 lives are credited with having been saved because just ONE
10-year-old girl tourist recognized what the receding water meant, and
screamed at them to flee inland.
SO MUCH for **your** profound idiocy, anonymous loser.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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04 Jan 2005 07:12:39 AM |
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Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,479 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!! wrote:
On 3 Jan 2005 07:08:14 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
<Lots of TROLLISH responses flushed>
Gottcha.
Take a good look at how people really did react....even
those who understood what was happening. Then get back
to us.
According to "Good Morning, America," this morning (1/3/05),
fully 100 lives are credited with having been saved because just ONE
10-year-old girl tourist recognized what the receding water meant,
and
screamed at them to flee inland.
When you can prove that she knew because she read Arthur C. Clarke's
book, get back to us. Were those people actually on the beaches or in
homes and hotels? And here's a hint: 100 people running for the hills
won't create much of a traffic jam. Thousands running for the hills
will.
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04 Jan 2005 10:56:10 PM |
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On 4 Jan 2005 05:12:39 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
Take a good look at how people really did react....even
those who understood what was happening. Then get back
to us.
According to "Good Morning, America," this morning (1/3/05),
fully 100 lives are credited with having been saved because just ONE
10-year-old girl tourist recognized what the receding water meant,
and screamed at them to flee inland.
When you can prove that she knew because she read Arthur C. Clarke's
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