Science > Abortion > If Personal Liberties are IMPORTANT to You... OUST Bush in November. ABB!!
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"Craig Chilton" |
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01 Feb 2004 12:06:49 PM |
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If Personal Liberties are IMPORTANT to You... OUST Bush in November. ABB!! |
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
This is LITERALLY the **most** critical Presidential (and
Congressional) election in any of our lifetimes. NEVER before
has such a tangible threat to our liberties ever existed to such
a profound and terrifying extent.
Bush MUST be ousted on November 2nd.
ABB: Anybody But Bush!
-- Craig Chilton
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03 Feb 2004 10:52:31 AM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<40323d62.8682623@netnews.mchsi.com>...
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term.
Apparently you know in advance who Bush would appoint to the SCOTUS?
Tell us something practical..like what the stock market is going to to
this year?
And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
Your *opinion* is noted..in the absence of critical evidence to
support your claim. You seem to conviently forget the record number of
'dem filibusters this term for judicial nominations
This is LITERALLY the **most** critical Presidential (and
Congressional) election in any of our lifetimes. NEVER before
has such a tangible threat to our liberties ever existed to such
a profound and terrifying extent.
It appears that you are not a student of history either
Bush MUST be ousted on November 2nd.
ABB: Anybody But Bush!
Hardly a good, reasoned discussion on Bush's real or imagined
shortcomings, or what real alternative the 'dems offer
Feel free to vote straight ticket..its easier than thinking
T.Carr
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Gene" |
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01 Feb 2004 12:29:58 PM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in news:40323d62.8682623
@netnews.mchsi.com:
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
This is LITERALLY the **most** critical Presidential (and
Congressional) election in any of our lifetimes. NEVER before
has such a tangible threat to our liberties ever existed to such
a profound and terrifying extent.
Bush MUST be ousted on November 2nd.
ABB: Anybody But Bush!
-- Craig Chilton
Couldn't agree more. Everytime I go out I talk with the working folk in
restraunts, stores and everywhere. It's amazing how uninformed most are.
I just hope the congress and state governorships are evened out more. We
do need conservatives to balance the far left and keep their thinging
realistic. But the current crop of republicans are so far right that it's
now just a short step for these folks to fascism. You know one could
compare it to Washington's time. When offered the Kingdom he chose
democracy. Now we are being given the same choice - oppression or
democracy.
"Any man who works for a living and votes republican is a fool"
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01 Feb 2004 04:44:06 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
PHEW!! Looks like the extremist is you, matie.
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Library of Usenet Madness*
http://www.twhi.org/Library/library_usenet_madness.htm
See "Abortion is Your Time Machine" - a Craig Chilton classic!
(* this is not my website)
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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02 Feb 2004 10:13:42 AM |
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In talk.abortion, Hate Feminism
<kill.feminism@now.org>
wrote
on Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:44:06 +1300
<401D8136.AED9BAF7@now.org>:
Craig Chilton wrote:
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
PHEW!! Looks like the extremist is you, matie.
You're right. We'll all be better off with Republican
Administrations spending us into oblivion for perpetuity,
as we grow our way out of this fiscal crisis. It's
*gotta* work at some point.
Vote for Bush today and we can be guaranteed:
[1] Four More Years of freedom, as John Ashcroft works
with Bill Gates (at some point, they'll have to!) to
ensure that each and every byte of music, movies,
and game mayhem is controlled by one's operating
system, and every BVD is a paid-for BVD. (BVD is
the next generation of DVD, obviously. The term
EVD was taken by China; a trade dispute erupts which
remains unresolved by 2008. In a switch, millions of
US citizens purchase illegally-copied Chinese EVDs.
Millions more get hyper-embarrassed when Fruit of the
Loom files a lawsuit against the music industry for
trademark infringement.)
In other news, EU officials drop their lawsuits against
Microsoft as the US threatens a major trade embargo,
and sue Linus Torvalds instead, for "creation of an
instrumentation detrimental to world commerce" in his
development and maintenance of Linux, the freeware OS
which becomes a major competitor of Microsoft's
Windows XP/Longhorn, which is finally released in 2007,
amidst much fanfare. A senior EU official speaking on
the condition of anonyminity explains the policy shift
by drooling a bit. Despite this Linux becomes the
top desktop anyway, as millions of underground musicians
install it instead of Longhorn. Webmasters are terrified
at the prospect of actually having to read W3C standards,
as opposed to simply using Frontpage.
The suits are eventually thrown out of court, but not
without a lot of acrimonious debate.
[2] Four More Years of peace, as we attack North Korea, Syria,
Libya, and Iran for various violations thereof (not necessarily
in that order). The resulting costs number in the hundreds
of billions but provide a perfect method by which to grow the
economy. A GAO estimate in 2012, in the latter stages of
the Ashcroft Administration's first term, puts the final
cost at $1.2T, sparking a minor furor during the Democratic
presidential debates.
[3] Four More Years of prosperity, as more jobs are shuttled
overseas in a bid to save money in order to finance the
peace, and the US debt grows to $10 trillion. When asked
as to when we can expect to see growth in the economy to
wipe out the debt, a senior Administration official drooled
a bit.
[4] Four More Years of equality, as the Justices give the unborn
children what they've been wanting for 31-plus years:
a voice in government and an equal say in whether they're
being murdered or not. (This despite the issue of being
unable to talk, but logic has never stopped government before;
why start now?) An Equal Rights Amendment is finally
ratified in 2015, during the Ashcroft Administration's
second term.
A senior spokesperson for the disadvantaged foetus
commemorated the occasion by drooling a bit, then
making giggling noises, prior to being placed in
his human-powered motion device and wheeled away.
The operator of the device said something about the
spokesperson requiring a change of clothing, prior to
her departure.
[5] Four More Years of ecology, as Halliburton works on new
methods of extracting oil from various areas of the
world, some of them geologically questionable, some
of them politically so.
In other news, an Israeli company develops a new
nanoplastic which replaces old gas mask filters;
this nanoplastic has the amazing property of only
letting in oxygen, while allowing the user to
expel carbon dioxide through the sides of the mask.
Hamas immediately dismisses it as a publicity stunt,
then announces it will create irradiated Oxygen-19
for use in suicide bomber suits. The attempt flops
for various reasons.
[6] Four More Years of space travel, as the Shuttle is
scuttled, the Hubble is hobbled by loss of a gyro and
eventually falls onto Los Angeles, taking wonderfully
detailed pictures of Barbara Streisand's estate as it
does so, and the Rovers, which last five times as long
as they were expected to, operate well into the next
year of Bush's second term, and Bush extends their
operating schedule into 2009, except that one of them
falls over while trying to scale a crater wall and is
lost, and the other freezes up.
In other news, Israel announces a moon program. Hamas
dismisses it as a publicity stunt.
[7] Four More Years of cultural diversity, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes the English Is No Longer Your
Second Language Act. A senior Administration official
explains that the act is actually a result of Bush
cabinet members being embarrassed by California's
"governator". When quizzed on Bush's maladpropisms the
senior Administration official drooled a bit.
In other news, Bush proposes and Congress passes the
Homeless Draft Act, which grows the military by 25%
after two months. Most of the homeless flee to Mexico
and Cuba; Mexican President Vicente Fox expresses
confusion at this turn of events, but sends them back
anyway. Cuban leader Fidel Castro warmly welcomes them
until he discovers they are American, then berates
them and sends them back as well, creating a minor
international incident. When asked about this issue
by international media, Fidel Castro drooled a bit.
Canada expresses its annoyance at not being chosen as
a favorite destination for draft-dodgers this time.
In still other news, some of the homeless hijack an
El Al airliner and fly it to Israel, seeking asylum.
Hamas dismisses it as a publicity stunt.
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
Aren't you glad to be an American?
[rest snipped]
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#191, -- insert random psycho^Hic here
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "K Dog" |
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02 Feb 2004 05:43:37 PM |
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A provision to disallow abortions? I doubt that would fly, but anyway,
here's my question.
What does abortion have to do with this proposed "Freedom to Marry" Act?
KD
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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02 Feb 2004 09:54:32 PM |
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"K Dog" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<JgBTb.40134$Wa.26515@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
A provision to disallow abortions? I doubt that would fly, but anyway,
here's my question.
What does abortion have to do with this proposed "Freedom to Marry" Act?
KD
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
Learn how politics works in Washington. It is not unusual for an
unpopular provision to be added into a popular bill so that the
provision will become law. This is called either a "rider" or an
"amendment", depending on how it is added. Since the Republicans are
not likely to be able to outlaw abortion, they might try to sneak a
rider outlawing abortion into a popular law that most Congressmen will
not vote against.
Keep in mind that there are hundreds of bills going through those
chambers each year, and many are fairly complex. An amendment added
to a large or popular bill may easily go unnoticed. That is why there
are so many lobbying groups surveying those laws constantly, and
looking for such funny business. (Note: since the discussion is about
abortion, which many Republican politicians espouse, that is why they
were mentioned specifically. Democats are guilty of the same tricks
on different issues.)
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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03 Feb 2004 05:04:41 AM |
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"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:c30d43e8.0402021954.613057de@posting.google.com...
"K Dog" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:<JgBTb.40134$Wa.26515@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
A provision to disallow abortions? I doubt that would fly, but anyway,
here's my question.
What does abortion have to do with this proposed "Freedom to Marry" Act?
KD
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
Learn how politics works in Washington. It is not unusual for an
unpopular provision to be added into a popular bill so that the
provision will become law. This is called either a "rider" or an
"amendment", depending on how it is added. Since the Republicans are
not likely to be able to outlaw abortion, they might try to sneak a
rider outlawing abortion into a popular law that most Congressmen will
not vote against.
It wouldn't do a damned bit of good. Such laws have already been declared
unconstitutional, so such a provision would be unenforceable even if allowed
to pass.
Keep in mind that there are hundreds of bills going through those
chambers each year, and many are fairly complex. An amendment added
to a large or popular bill may easily go unnoticed. That is why there
are so many lobbying groups surveying those laws constantly, and
looking for such funny business. (Note: since the discussion is about
abortion, which many Republican politicians espouse, that is why they
were mentioned specifically. Democats are guilty of the same tricks
on different issues.)
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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03 Feb 2004 07:20:40 PM |
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"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message news:<dfLTb.10713$uM2.2576@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:c30d43e8.0402021954.613057de@posting.google.com...
"K Dog" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:<JgBTb.40134$Wa.26515@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
A provision to disallow abortions? I doubt that would fly, but anyway,
here's my question.
What does abortion have to do with this proposed "Freedom to Marry" Act?
KD
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
Learn how politics works in Washington. It is not unusual for an
unpopular provision to be added into a popular bill so that the
provision will become law. This is called either a "rider" or an
"amendment", depending on how it is added. Since the Republicans are
not likely to be able to outlaw abortion, they might try to sneak a
rider outlawing abortion into a popular law that most Congressmen will
not vote against.
It wouldn't do a damned bit of good. Such laws have already been declared
unconstitutional, so such a provision would be unenforceable even if allowed
to pass.
That does not prevent them from trying. And with Bush packing the
courts with far right idealogues and activist judges, something might
be upheld one day. If the laws never get on the books, they do not
have to be challenged, and that saves the taxpayers (us) a ton of
money.
Mark Sebree
Keep in mind that there are hundreds of bills going through those
chambers each year, and many are fairly complex. An amendment added
to a large or popular bill may easily go unnoticed. That is why there
are so many lobbying groups surveying those laws constantly, and
looking for such funny business. (Note: since the discussion is about
abortion, which many Republican politicians espouse, that is why they
were mentioned specifically. Democats are guilty of the same tricks
on different issues.)
Mark Sebree
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| User: "osprey" |
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03 Feb 2004 12:46:30 AM |
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(Mark Sebree) wrote in message news:<c30d43e8.0402021954.613057de@posting.google.com>...
"K Dog" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<JgBTb.40134$Wa.26515@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
A provision to disallow abortions? I doubt that would fly, but anyway,
here's my question.
What does abortion have to do with this proposed "Freedom to Marry" Act?
KD
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
Learn how politics works in Washington. It is not unusual for an
unpopular provision to be added into a popular bill so that the
provision will become law. This is called either a "rider" or an
"amendment", depending on how it is added. Since the Republicans are
not likely to be able to outlaw abortion, they might try to sneak a
rider outlawing abortion into a popular law that most Congressmen will
not vote against.
Keep in mind that there are hundreds of bills going through those
chambers each year, and many are fairly complex. An amendment added
to a large or popular bill may easily go unnoticed. That is why there
are so many lobbying groups surveying those laws constantly, and
looking for such funny business. (Note: since the discussion is about
abortion, which many Republican politicians espouse, that is why they
were mentioned specifically. Democats are guilty of the same tricks
on different issues.)
Mark Sebree
First I want to say Mark, thank you for being honest at the bottom of
your post and saying Democrats are guilty of the same tricks.
Second
I will not say that some Republicans don't want to see abortion
outlawed. Some do, I am sure.
I think that the majority of Republicans, probably 80% or even higher,
want to see restrictions put in place. Latest polls I have read
indicate that more than 60% of Americans agree with placing
restrictions on abortion. For example, late term abortions. Most of
us probably feel there is no need or any evidence to suggest late term
abortions are even needed any longer. Especially with the advancements
in medical science that can save both mother and unborn.
Third
It would be political suicide for any Republican to try and outlaw
abortion, therefore, I don't see that ever happening.
Fourth,
I agree that both parties are guilty of trying their own tricks. You
were honest about the parties, I will be just as honest with you in
return.
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| User: "K Dog" |
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02 Feb 2004 10:22:51 PM |
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Well, what you've described is pretty much how politics works in any
so-called "democracy". The very same thing probably happens in Australia
where I live.
Stupid control-freak governments I simply cannot stand. They seem to believe
they are some almighty pie-in-the-sky who can dictate the private personal
lives of everyone underneath them. They won't control my life, or what I do,
so long as I don't harm or violate the rights of other people.
KD
Learn how politics works in Washington. It is not unusual for an
unpopular provision to be added into a popular bill so that the
provision will become law. This is called either a "rider" or an
"amendment", depending on how it is added. Since the Republicans are
not likely to be able to outlaw abortion, they might try to sneak a
rider outlawing abortion into a popular law that most Congressmen will
not vote against.
Keep in mind that there are hundreds of bills going through those
chambers each year, and many are fairly complex. An amendment added
to a large or popular bill may easily go unnoticed. That is why there
are so many lobbying groups surveying those laws constantly, and
looking for such funny business. (Note: since the discussion is about
abortion, which many Republican politicians espouse, that is why they
were mentioned specifically. Democats are guilty of the same tricks
on different issues.)
Mark Sebree
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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02 Feb 2004 11:00:24 PM |
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In talk.abortion, K Dog
<nospam@spam.com>
wrote
on Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:43:37 GMT
<JgBTb.40134$Wa.26515@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:
A provision to disallow abortions? I doubt that would fly, but anyway,
here's my question.
What does abortion have to do with this proposed "Freedom to Marry" Act?
alt.politics.homosexuality is in the headers; I threw it in for
completeness. :-)
_1984_ is only 20 years late...
KD
[8] Four More Years of sexual equality, as Bush proposes
and Congress passes (after a prolonged filibuster and
much heated debate) the Freedom to Marry Act, which
contains among other things a provision to disallow
abortions.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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03 Feb 2004 02:19:22 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:44:06 +1300,
"Hate Feminism" [the clueless loser who is SO dumb
that he actually ADMITS to being a mindless bigot in
every singlr post, with the moronic alias he's given
himself] spewed:
Craig Chilton wrote:
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
This is LITERALLY the **most** critical Presidential (and
Congressional) election in any of our lifetimes. NEVER before
has such a tangible threat to our liberties ever existed to such
a profound and terrifying extent.
Bush MUST be ousted on November 2nd.
ABB: Anybody But Bush!
PHEW!!
Yeah. I agree. Putrid bigots like you are really rank!!
Stay downwind from everyone!
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "David Whitesen." |
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01 Feb 2004 02:22:16 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
This is LITERALLY the **most** critical Presidential (and
Congressional) election in any of our lifetimes. NEVER before
has such a tangible threat to our liberties ever existed to such
a profound and terrifying extent.
Bush MUST be ousted on November 2nd.
ABB: Anybody But Bush!
-- Craig Chilton
Finally I'm not alone.
Yes, that "All Inclusive Party" is sure looking a lot like a
"All Are Welcomed" sign at a KKK rally.
It's a matter of choice, stupid, who will choose,
Redneck Republican Georgia Bush or the individual.
Hey hey 2004, old King George must be no more.
Vote that sucker out!
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| User: "gaffo" |
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03 Feb 2004 06:46:29 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
If re-elected, Bush could appoint up to three bigoted
Supreme Court Justices during the next term. And if *THAT*
were to happen, we can say "Welcome!!", 20 years later
than expected, to the society that George Orwell envisioned
in his nightmare novel, "1984."
This is LITERALLY the **most** critical Presidential (and
Congressional) election in any of our lifetimes. NEVER before
has such a tangible threat to our liberties ever existed to such
a profound and terrifying extent.
Bush MUST be ousted on November 2nd.
ABB: Anybody But Bush!
-- Craig Chilton
agreed!
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"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
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