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"J Young" |
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02 Jul 2004 08:56:31 PM |
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Independence Day - 2004 |
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
02 Jul 2004 11:30:52 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com...
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness"
## Which also applies to women who find themselves with an unwanted
pregnancy.
has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.
## Including the freedom to abort, marry, be gay, choose one's career and
more.
There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.
## What about the woman's basic freedoms?
The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.
## You can always move to a country where it's illegal. Of course women
still abort even when it's illegal....
This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings
## Yeah, like our unwanted helpless infants in foster care, where they're
often starved, abused and neglected.
is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
## And keep abortion safe and legal. :-)
--
Flower Power....
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 09:03:40 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9c2d0f9a.0407031813.35f025a1@posting.google.com...
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote in message
news:<1e57ec88.0407031243.41c48c9f@posting.google.com>...
You mean the ones that practice infanticide as a means of population
control?
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That's exactly the ones I mean.When places like Rwanda practice
infanticide,it is somewhat understandable,but positively not endorsed
or condoned.
Other nations also practice infanticide and always have.
America has unlimited resources at her disposal.
Unlimited? There are only unlimited resources where the armed services are
concerned. Where do you live? Certainly not in the USA.
To
slaughter our next generation is reprehensible.
Slaughter the next generation? I don't see any lack of people here in
America - do you? Looks like plenty of children have been born since RvW.
Each individual has the
right to birth,once concieved.
Where is that written?
FP....
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
02 Jul 2004 09:34:11 PM |
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(Newsgroups repaired)
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) writes:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
Read your Constitution, fake American. Particularly that nettlesome Amendment
XIV. (Then, get your ***** back to school -- *today* is the anniversary of
America's independence, which was declared on July 2, 1776. The document
explaining what Richard Henry Lee and John Adams had done was adopted by the
convened Continental Congress two days later.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 04:58:15 AM |
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(J Young) wrote in message news:<9c2d0f9a.0407031813.35f025a1@posting.google.com>...
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote in message news:<1e57ec88.0407031243.41c48c9f@posting.google.com>...
(J Young) wrote in message news:<9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>...
The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.
You mean the ones that practice infanticide as a means of population control?
That's exactly the ones I mean.When places like Rwanda practice
infanticide,it is somewhat understandable,but positively not endorsed
or condoned.America has unlimited resources at her disposal.To
slaughter our next generation is reprehensible.Each individual has the
right to birth,once concieved.
So you do approve of infanticide rather than abortion as a method of
birth control. Maybe you and Bob need to go see a psychiatrist
together (hey, it could be the beginning of a beautiful relationship
for the pair of you).
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 06:24:46 AM |
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In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
(J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200 years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 06:44:13 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:24:46 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-CFE981.07245503072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200 years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
It is so bad it supports a form of government widely copied all over
the world, has established a government in a country that a large part
of the world keeps trying to get into, and another large part of the
world because of envy and fear over our success is trying to destroy
us.
Terrible. isn't it?
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 07:38:50 AM |
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In article <pq6de0tfaju5itego3k313eaj8p5n981n7@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:24:46 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-CFE981.07245503072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200 years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
It is so bad it supports a form of government widely copied all over
the world, has established a government in a country that a large part
of the world keeps trying to get into, and another large part of the
world because of envy and fear over our success is trying to destroy
us.
Prostitutes and pimps the world over follow the same systems that they
have too -- their systems work for them too. Just because it is
mimicked, while this may be flattering, is it really the best system
that humans can create to do with what contend with?
Envy, or something that is imposed on the world? Unless you are going to
claim that the current system is perfect then it seems to me that there
is room for improvement.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 08:10:00 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:38:50 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-ADE7C5.08385903072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <pq6de0tfaju5itego3k313eaj8p5n981n7@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:24:46 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-CFE981.07245503072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200 years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
It is so bad it supports a form of government widely copied all over
the world, has established a government in a country that a large part
of the world keeps trying to get into, and another large part of the
world because of envy and fear over our success is trying to destroy
us.
Prostitutes and pimps the world over follow the same systems that they
have too -- their systems work for them too. Just because it is
mimicked, while this may be flattering, is it really the best system
that humans can create to do with what contend with?
Those are hardly governmental systems with a proven track record.
Envy, or something that is imposed on the world? Unless you are going to
claim that the current system is perfect then it seems to me that there
is room for improvement.
To paraphrase:
"Democracy is a terrible system of government. It's only advantage is
that it is so much better than anything ever tried before."
Winston S. Churchill
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 08:33:04 AM |
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In article <jsbde0564k44qho3q2tfm5b8ro1h91uk3i@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:38:50 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-ADE7C5.08385903072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <pq6de0tfaju5itego3k313eaj8p5n981n7@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:24:46 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-CFE981.07245503072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200 years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
It is so bad it supports a form of government widely copied all over
the world, has established a government in a country that a large part
of the world keeps trying to get into, and another large part of the
world because of envy and fear over our success is trying to destroy
us.
Prostitutes and pimps the world over follow the same systems that they
have too -- their systems work for them too. Just because it is
mimicked, while this may be flattering, is it really the best system
that humans can create to do with what contend with?
Those are hardly governmental systems with a proven track record.
But they are systems and in some areas of the world non-governmental
systems dictate.
Envy, or something that is imposed on the world? Unless you are going to
claim that the current system is perfect then it seems to me that there
is room for improvement.
To paraphrase:
"Democracy is a terrible system of government. It's only advantage is
that it is so much better than anything ever tried before."
Winston S. Churchill
This commentary from Churchill suggests that the system is recognized to
have flaws but "let's stick with it anyway". It doesn't seem very
rationale to me to know something is flawed and to choose it over
seeking alternatives.
I'm suggesting ratifiying a system so that it is proactive rather than
responsive. The US constitution, from my perspective, was not proactive
but reactive to the social forces of the time which included dominance
and governance by those unwilling to share power. At that time, few
people had rights and the emphasis was on seeking rights. Most have
rights and where we see problems now is usually because the quest for
individual rights has now created a situation where other individual's
rights are affected.
Abortion is an example -- the reporductive right of an individual is
also the reproductive rights of another and the the demands and
obligations that those rights place on a society.
.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 09:15:04 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:33:04 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-96E50F.09331203072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <jsbde0564k44qho3q2tfm5b8ro1h91uk3i@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:38:50 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-ADE7C5.08385903072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <pq6de0tfaju5itego3k313eaj8p5n981n7@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:24:46 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-CFE981.07245503072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200 years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
It is so bad it supports a form of government widely copied all over
the world, has established a government in a country that a large part
of the world keeps trying to get into, and another large part of the
world because of envy and fear over our success is trying to destroy
us.
Prostitutes and pimps the world over follow the same systems that they
have too -- their systems work for them too. Just because it is
mimicked, while this may be flattering, is it really the best system
that humans can create to do with what contend with?
Those are hardly governmental systems with a proven track record.
But they are systems and in some areas of the world non-governmental
systems dictate.
Very few.
Anarchy has mostly disappeared.
Envy, or something that is imposed on the world? Unless you are going to
claim that the current system is perfect then it seems to me that there
is room for improvement.
To paraphrase:
"Democracy is a terrible system of government. It's only advantage is
that it is so much better than anything ever tried before."
Winston S. Churchill
This commentary from Churchill suggests that the system is recognized to
have flaws but "let's stick with it anyway". It doesn't seem very
rationale to me to know something is flawed and to choose it over
seeking alternatives.
Such as what?
I'm suggesting ratifiying a system so that it is proactive rather than
responsive. The US constitution, from my perspective, was not proactive
but reactive to the social forces of the time which included dominance
and governance by those unwilling to share power. At that time, few
people had rights and the emphasis was on seeking rights. Most have
rights and where we see problems now is usually because the quest for
individual rights has now created a situation where other individual's
rights are affected.
No rights exist except those defined and protected by law.
Abortion is an example -- the reporductive right of an individual is
also the reproductive rights of another and the the demands and
obligations that those rights place on a society.
When a woman is pregnant she is the only one involved.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
03 Jul 2004 09:28:11 AM |
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In article <jifde09es4euilrh6m0r9ql97n674s7tok@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:33:04 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-96E50F.09331203072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <jsbde0564k44qho3q2tfm5b8ro1h91uk3i@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:38:50 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-ADE7C5.08385903072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <pq6de0tfaju5itego3k313eaj8p5n981n7@4ax.com>,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:24:46 GMT, Bob's Boyfriend
<together@wyoming.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<together-CFE981.07245503072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>
wrote:
In article <9c2d0f9a.0407021756.5cd2f787@posting.google.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com (J Young) wrote:
As Americans celebrate the birth of our nation this 4th of July
weekend,we should take time to ponder the principles that were the
cornerstone of our forefathers vision."Life,liberty,and the pursuit
of
happiness" has become a way of life for most of us.America has grown
strong because of the freedoms and rights that each individual
enjoys.There is,however,one segment of people who have been denied
these basic freedoms.The pre-born.The greatest nation in the
world,with all it's resources and abilities,still supports and
sanctions the killing of it's pre-born children.This barbarity is
what
should separate us from 3rd world nations.How we treat our most
vunerable beings is how history will remember us.The time is now to
get our country back on track.
As an outsider observer, your constitution is in desperate need of
revision. What might have responded to the needs of Americans 200
years
ago is also the source of many of your difficulties.
It is so bad it supports a form of government widely copied all over
the world, has established a government in a country that a large part
of the world keeps trying to get into, and another large part of the
world because of envy and fear over our success is trying to destroy
us.
Prostitutes and pimps the world over follow the same systems that they
have too -- their systems work for them too. Just because it is
mimicked, while this may be flattering, is it really the best system
that humans can create to do with what contend with?
Those are hardly governmental systems with a proven track record.
But they are systems and in some areas of the world non-governmental
systems dictate.
Very few.
Anarchy has mostly disappeared.
Anarchy? That's an extreme response. Selling children into prostution is
still quite common in many areas with governmental systems and where
free elections can be found -- many parts of the Phillipines comes to
mind.
Envy, or something that is imposed on the world? Unless you are going to
claim that the current system is perfect then it seems to me that there
is room for improvement.
To paraphrase:
"Democracy is a terrible system of government. It's only advantage is
that it is so much better than anything ever tried before."
Winston S. Churchill
This commentary from Churchill suggests that the system is recognized to
have flaws but "let's stick with it anyway". It doesn't seem very
rationale to me to know something is flawed and to choose it over
seeking alternatives.
Such as what?
I'm suggesting ratifiying a system so that it is proactive rather than
responsive. The US constitution, from my perspective, was not proactive
but reactive to the social forces of the time which included dominance
and governance by those unwilling to share power. At that time, few
people had rights and the emphasis was on seeking rights. Most have
rights and where we see problems now is usually because the quest for
individual rights has now created a situation where other individual's
rights are affected.
No rights exist except those defined and protected by law.
And that's what I'm suggesting. The current system, in the pursuit of an
individual's rights ignores your rights and mine collectively as society.
I claim the right to eat and to skip meals if not hungry. This right
cannot be found in the US or Canadian constitutions. I claim the right
to sleep if tired and read if I am not tired. Same problem -- no
declaration of these rights can be found. Where can I find these rights,
they are not defined and protected by law.
Abortion is an example -- the reporductive right of an individual is
also the reproductive rights of another and the the demands and
obligations that those rights place on a society.
When a woman is pregnant she is the only one involved.
If I am paying for her abortion through my taxes contributed to the
health care system for my province then, I am involved. I support her
choice to abort her pregnancy, I don't support her choice to have me and
others financially responsible for her sexual behaviour or the outcome
that she has chosen for that pregnancy.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 08:41:06 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-B23603.12545304072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <cOVFc.4482$R36.241@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Well how about as a percentage of resources used then? Say person "A"
eats
right, exercises, lives a reasonably healthy life vs. person "B" who
smokes,
lives a sedentary lifestyle, and has numerous health problems. Why
should
person "A" have to pay for person "B"s healthcare?
Precisely and I don't think that they should pay.
The idea that I offered still allows people to make the choices that
they want -- a healthy or unhealthy lifestyle -- and then to hold them
financially accountable for those choices.
========================
I agree. We're all paying through the nose for those who refuse to take
care of themselves. Obesity is rampant here in the USA, and so are all the
diseases that come with the condition. The rest of us end up paying.....
FP........
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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05 Jul 2004 08:31:09 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-B8C858.10281903072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
If I am paying for her abortion through my taxes contributed to the
health care system for my province then, I am involved. I support her
choice to abort her pregnancy, I don't support her choice to have me and
others financially responsible for her sexual behaviour or the outcome
that she has chosen for that pregnancy.
====================
It's cheaper than supporting her (and millions of others) on welfare for the
next 21 years.
FP....
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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05 Jul 2004 08:38:15 PM |
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"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:cOVFc.4482$R36.241@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Well how about as a percentage of resources used then? Say person "A"
eats
right, exercises, lives a reasonably healthy life vs. person "B" who
smokes,
lives a sedentary lifestyle, and has numerous health problems. Why
should
person "A" have to pay for person "B"s healthcare?
==========================
Why do those of us without children have to pay so much taxes for schools?
After all, we get no use from them. People pay taxes used for roads and
highways and don't even own cars or trucks....
FP....
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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05 Jul 2004 08:48:14 PM |
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While Flower Power was contemplating his or her navel in
news:QMWdnbIn5o0Xn3fdRVn-tw@heartoftn.net,
<IndependantWomen@NOSlave.net> he or she gave us all a good laugh with the
following...
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote in message
news:cOVFc.4482$R36.241@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Well how about as a percentage of resources used then? Say person
"A" eats right, exercises, lives a reasonably healthy life vs.
person "B" who smokes, lives a sedentary lifestyle, and has numerous
health problems. Why should person "A" have to pay for person "B"s
healthcare?
==========================
Why do those of us without children have to pay so much taxes for
schools?
Because an educated public benefits all people.
After all, we get no use from them.
Of course you do. Without a public education what do you think you would
be typing on right now?
People pay taxes used
for roads and highways and don't even own cars or trucks....
They use goods that are shipped on trucks, and I'll bet that they travel on
roads whether they have a driver's license or not.
Now, tell me why I should have to pay for health car for a 30 year, two pack
a day smoker that has lung cancer, or emphysema?
--
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence. - Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 11:11:59 PM |
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In article <yxnGc.9509$yy1.3495@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Because an educated public benefits all people.
Food benefits everyone as well. So we should all have subsidized food.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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05 Jul 2004 11:47:26 PM |
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In article
<together-7F84B5.00120806072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote:
In article <yxnGc.9509$yy1.3495@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Because an educated public benefits all people.
Food benefits everyone as well. So we should all have subsidized food.
We do.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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06 Jul 2004 04:11:53 AM |
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While Bob's Boyfriend was contemplating his or her navel in
news:together-7F84B5.00120806072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com,
<together@wyoming.com> he or she gave us all a good laugh with the
following...
In article <yxnGc.9509$yy1.3495@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Because an educated public benefits all people.
Food benefits everyone as well. So we should all have subsidized food.
Umm... We do have subsidized food. It's called Welfare, Wick, and
numerous other state and local programs. Where have you been?
--
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence. - Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
06 Jul 2004 09:42:22 AM |
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In article <t1uGc.3541$sD4.1638@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Umm... We do have subsidized food. It's called Welfare, Wick, and
numerous other state and local programs. Where have you been?
I find a certain irony in this discussion with you. I believe it was you
that argued that in a time of limited resources that you would support a
government placing a limit on birthing for citizens. How much debt will
the US have to incur before that resource is depleted.
I volunteered and handed out Christmas gifts last year for impoverished
children in my community. The reality is, they weren't impoverished.
Their parents were. Their parents made choices that meant they had to
rely on a community resource to get a meal. What was even more suprising
was that after realizing they could ill afford the first child that they
continued to have children.
I'm curious as to why so many want to ensure the existence of a poorer
class of citizens.
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
06 Jul 2004 10:12:40 AM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-21D225.10432006072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <t1uGc.3541$sD4.1638@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Umm... We do have subsidized food. It's called Welfare, Wick, and
numerous other state and local programs. Where have you been?
I find a certain irony in this discussion with you. I believe it was you
that argued that in a time of limited resources that you would support a
government placing a limit on birthing for citizens. How much debt will
the US have to incur before that resource is depleted.
I volunteered and handed out Christmas gifts last year for impoverished
children in my community. The reality is, they weren't impoverished.
Their parents were. Their parents made choices that meant they had to
rely on a community resource to get a meal.
The choice was made for most of them when a bunch of idiots bought into the
moronic idea that George W.Bush would be a good president.. Only a stupid
mother fucker like you would blame someone for losing their jobs and having
financial difficulty...
What was even more suprising
was that after realizing they could ill afford the first child that they
continued to have children.
Again.. you are one stupid *****.. All your complaining about poor
people and their children and you never say a word about the Corporate
Welfare giveaways that are enjoyed by the rich and powerful.. You are one
two faced, short sighted ***** ..
I'm curious as to why so many want to ensure the existence of a poorer
class of citizens.
How much fucking money have you got ? Chances are, that you haven't worked
or had a "real" job in your whole miserable life..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
06 Jul 2004 11:02:18 AM |
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In article <IjzGc.16717$Xq4.2130@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-21D225.10432006072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <t1uGc.3541$sD4.1638@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Umm... We do have subsidized food. It's called Welfare, Wick, and
numerous other state and local programs. Where have you been?
I find a certain irony in this discussion with you. I believe it was you
that argued that in a time of limited resources that you would support a
government placing a limit on birthing for citizens. How much debt will
the US have to incur before that resource is depleted.
I volunteered and handed out Christmas gifts last year for impoverished
children in my community. The reality is, they weren't impoverished.
Their parents were. Their parents made choices that meant they had to
rely on a community resource to get a meal.
The choice was made for most of them when a bunch of idiots bought into the
moronic idea that George W.Bush would be a good president.. Only a stupid
mother fucker like you would blame someone for losing their jobs and having
financial difficulty...
What was even more suprising
was that after realizing they could ill afford the first child that they
continued to have children.
Again.. you are one stupid *****.. All your complaining about poor
people and their children and you never say a word about the Corporate
Welfare giveaways that are enjoyed by the rich and powerful.. You are one
two faced, short sighted ***** ..
I'm curious as to why so many want to ensure the existence of a poorer
class of citizens.
How much fucking money have you got ? Chances are, that you haven't worked
or had a "real" job in your whole miserable life..
You make a lot of assumptions about me rather than addressing the points
being made.
If you think that creating a large base of a poorer class doesn't serve
a specific function in society then, I'll just back out of the
discussion here.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
06 Jul 2004 04:12:47 PM |
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While Bob's Boyfriend was contemplating his or her navel in
news:together-21D225.10432006072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com,
<together@wyoming.com> he or she gave us all a good laugh with the
following...
In article <t1uGc.3541$sD4.1638@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Light Templar" <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
Umm... We do have subsidized food. It's called Welfare, Wick, and
numerous other state and local programs. Where have you been?
I find a certain irony in this discussion with you. I believe it was
you that argued that in a time of limited resources that you would
support a government placing a limit on birthing for citizens.
Nope, that's not what I said. I said that the government would be forced to
do so, not that I would support it. Ergo, unlimited reproductive rights are
unobtainable.
How
much debt will the US have to incur before that resource is depleted.
Which resource?
I volunteered and handed out Christmas gifts last year for
impoverished children in my community. The reality is, they weren't
impoverished. Their parents were. Their parents made choices that
meant they had to rely on a community resource to get a meal. What
was even more suprising was that after realizing they could ill
afford the first child that they continued to have children.
Happens all the time.
I'm curious as to why so many want to ensure the existence of a poorer
class of citizens.
Do you want to be the one that tells people that they cannot have children?
Do you think you would be elected the next term, or worse, run out of office
on a rail? Thing would have to get REAL bad before the public is ready
for anything so drasitc.
--
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence. - Richard Dawkins
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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05 Jul 2004 05:00:33 AM |
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Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals share in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 08:45:57 PM |
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"EvilZak" <zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1e57ec88.0407050200.1f16583f@posting.google.com...
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals share in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
=============================
To qualify for FREE health care they should be required to meet certain
standards, such as maintaining a normal weight range. That alone would do
away with billions we now spend on health care. They should be made to
attend a few classes on the importance of proper nutrition, portion control
and the exercise. That's the least they can do to qualify for a service
PAID for by others.
FP.....
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| User: "EvilZak" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
06 Jul 2004 04:07:24 AM |
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"Flower Power" <IndependantWomen@NOSlave.net> wrote in message news:<AP6dnQ941LfCmXfd4p2dnA@heartoftn.net>...
To qualify for FREE health care they should be required to meet certain
standards, such as maintaining a normal weight range.
By this argument they would also have to show conrtaception failure
was the cause of an unwanted pregnancy when applying for a free
abortion.
That alone would do
away with billions we now spend on health care. They should be made to
attend a few classes on the importance of proper nutrition, portion control
and the exercise. That's the least they can do to qualify for a service
PAID for by others.
The difficultiy with going back to this Victorian idfea of only paying
out to the 'deserving' poor is that, as with a lot of
satisfying-sounding solutions, it ignores the complexity of the
problem. With regard to proper nutrition, for instance, unhealthy food
is often cheaper and more easily obtainable than healthy food - run
down areas have more burger bars than organic vegetable stores and, in
some very poor areas, there are few food shops. Poor people often
don't have cars, so they are going to have a problem carrying huge
quantities of raw vegetables the miles from the nearest superstore,
even.
Also, this tendency to regard the poor as some kind of subhuman
creatures is not sensible: almost anyone can find themselves in
poverty at some stage. The company you work for decides to outsource
your entire division to a Third World sweatshop, for instance, or you
become seriously ill and can no longer work. Or a member of your
family becomes seriously ill and needs constant care. Would you be so
humbly grateful for state assistance that you would accept having your
daily behaviour policed, and people lecturing you on what to eat as
though you were a small child?
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 08:16:53 AM |
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In article <1e57ec88.0407050200.1f16583f@posting.google.com>,
(EvilZak) wrote:
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
(EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals share in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
How is that your responsibility or mine? I wrote that I supported a
system that would allow people who are in poverty to draw on the system,
or a pooled resource but with the expectation that they would contribute
back. Of course, if people can't afford basic medical care why are they
engaging in behaviour that could result in a pregnancy that they cannot
afford either?
.
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 08:55:53 AM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-80C900.09170305072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <1e57ec88.0407050200.1f16583f@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes
should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals share
in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
How is that your responsibility or mine? I wrote that I supported a
system that would allow people who are in poverty to draw on the system,
or a pooled resource but with the expectation that they would contribute
back. Of course, if people can't afford basic medical care why are they
engaging in behaviour that could result in a pregnancy that they cannot
afford either?
Who the hell is "Bob" ? You sound like some kind of "spoiled brat" that
needs a good dose of poverty, instead of the spoon fed existence you
obviously enjoy..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 10:18:11 AM |
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In article <J5dGc.11689$Xq4.11356@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-80C900.09170305072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <1e57ec88.0407050200.1f16583f@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes
should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals share
in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
How is that your responsibility or mine? I wrote that I supported a
system that would allow people who are in poverty to draw on the system,
or a pooled resource but with the expectation that they would contribute
back. Of course, if people can't afford basic medical care why are they
engaging in behaviour that could result in a pregnancy that they cannot
afford either?
Who the hell is "Bob" ? You sound like some kind of "spoiled brat" that
needs a good dose of poverty, instead of the spoon fed existence you
obviously enjoy..
I'm not sure how this is a response to the point made.
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| User: "Bill Walker" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 11:28:35 AM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-2469A6.11182005072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <J5dGc.11689$Xq4.11356@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-80C900.09170305072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <1e57ec88.0407050200.1f16583f@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I
am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes
should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals
share
in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance
because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
How is that your responsibility or mine? I wrote that I supported a
system that would allow people who are in poverty to draw on the
system,
or a pooled resource but with the expectation that they would
contribute
back. Of course, if people can't afford basic medical care why are
they
engaging in behaviour that could result in a pregnancy that they
cannot
afford either?
Who the hell is "Bob" ? You sound like some kind of "spoiled brat" that
needs a good dose of poverty, instead of the spoon fed existence you
obviously enjoy..
I'm not sure how this is a response to the point made.
That's ok with me.. Your "points" that you are making are as irrelevant as
my question..
.
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Independence Day - 2004 |
05 Jul 2004 12:25:51 PM |
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In article <TkfGc.20342$6e7.2124@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>,
"Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-2469A6.11182005072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <J5dGc.11689$Xq4.11356@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"Bill Walker" <bill.walker2@verizon.net> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-80C900.09170305072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <1e57ec88.0407050200.1f16583f@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:<together-7C6F3D.11013504072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
In article <1e57ec88.0407031251.221c2c7d@posting.google.com>,
zak@missdemeanour.idps.co.uk (EvilZak) wrote:
So you don't support free health care of any kind, for anyone? I
am
aware that the US generally does not provide more than the utter
minimum of healthcare FOC - what do Americans think their taxes
should
be spent on?
Free? No I support an insurance style system that indivdiduals
share
in
a resource pool but do pay their fair share.
What about those individuals who cannot pay medical insurance
because
they can barely pay for food/housing?
How is that your responsibility or mine? I wrote that I supported a
system that would allow people who are in poverty to draw on the
system,
or a pooled resource but with the expectation that they would
contribute
back. Of course, if people can't afford basic medical care why are
they
engaging in behaviour that could result in a pregnancy that they
cannot
afford either?
Who the hell is "Bob" ? You sound like some kind of "spoiled brat" that
needs a good dose of poverty, instead of the spoon fed existence you
obviously enjoy..
I'm not sure how this is a response to the point made.
That's ok with me.. Your "points" that you are making are as irrelevant as
my question..
We disagree. The opposition to abortion often places society in the role
of providing for what are the choices of other individuals.
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