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User: "Papa Jack"
Date: 13 May 2004 04:56:40 PM
Object: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage.
Psychosomatic Medicine 66:265-271 (2004); 2004 American
Psychosomatic Society
Psychological Impact on Women of Miscarriage Versus
Induced Abortion: A 2-Year Follow-up Study
Anne Nordal Broen, MD, Torbjörn Moum, PhD, Anne Sejersted
Bödtker, MD and Öivind Ekeberg, MD, PhD
From the University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway.
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/2/265
__________________________________________________________________________
Abstract:
Address correspondence and reprint requests to Anne Nordal
Broen, MD, Department of Behavioral Sciences in Medicine,
Sognsvannsveien 9, University of Oslo, P.O. 1111 Blindern,
0317 Oslo, Norway. E-mail:

OBJECTIVE: To compare the psychological trauma reactions of
women who had either a miscarriage or an induced abortion,
in the 2 years after the event. Further, to identify important
predictors of Impact of Event Scale (IES) scores.
METHOD: A consecutive sample of women who experienced miscar-
riage (N = 40) or induced abortion (N = 80) were interviewed 3
times: 10 days (T1), 6 months (T2), and 2 years (T3) after the
event.
RESULTS: At T1, 47.5% of the women who had a miscarriage were
cases (IES score 19 points on 1 or both of the IES subscales),
compared with 30% for women who had an induced abortion (p = .60).
The corresponding values at T3 were 2.6% and 18.1%, respectively
(p = .019). At all measurement time points, the group who had
induced abortion scored higher on IES avoidance. Women who had
a miscarriage were more likely to experience feelings of loss
and grief, whereas women who had induced abortion were more
likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt, and shame. At
T3, IES intrusion was predicted by feelings of loss and grief
at T1, whereas avoidance at T3 was predicted by guilt and shame
at T1.
CONCLUSION: The short-term emotional reactions to miscarriage
appear to be larger and more powerful than those to induced
abortion. In the long term, however, women who had induced
abortion reported significantly more avoidance of thoughts and
feelings related to the event than women who had a miscarriage.
Abbreviations: PTSD = posttraumatic stress disorder;
• IES = Impact of Event Scale; • OLS = ordinary least squares.
__________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
Key conclusion:
"In the long term, however, women who had induced
abortion reported significantly more avoidance of
thoughts and feelings related to the event..."
Thus, the researchers find there are significant negative
impacts caused by induced abortion.
.

User: "Jon Young"

Title: Re: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage. 14 May 2004 03:01:42 PM
(Papa Jack) wrote in message news:<6f9e1b49.0405131356.53f6622d@posting.google.com>...
[read in original post what presenting proof with a point of view is
about]

__________________________________________________________________________

Papa Jack comments:
Key conclusion:

"In the long term, however, women who had induced
abortion reported significantly more avoidance of
thoughts and feelings related to the event..."

Thus, the researchers find there are significant negative
impacts caused by induced abortion.

Excellent point.Anything that relates to abortion will always have a
negative impact.It does make sense that only a cold,thoughtless woman
would allow herself to have an abortion.
.
User: "Flower Power"

Title: Re: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage. 14 May 2004 10:55:09 PM
"Jon Young" <jdyoung1@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:25e1e54f.0405141201.51f70eed@posting.google.com...


Excellent point.Anything that relates to abortion will always have a
negative impact.It does make sense that only a cold,thoughtless woman
would allow herself to have an abortion.

==================================
Because YOU say so? And YOU know all the millions of women who had
abortions to make such a judgment? Get a clue, just like men, not all women
even like children.
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
====================================================
.


User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage. 14 May 2004 05:12:31 AM
In article <6f9e1b49.0405131356.53f6622d@posting.google.com>,
(Papa Jack) wrote:

Psychosomatic Medicine 66:265-271 (2004); 2004 American
Psychosomatic Society

Psychological Impact on Women of Miscarriage Versus
Induced Abortion: A 2-Year Follow-up Study

Anne Nordal Broen, MD, Torbjörn Moum, PhD, Anne Sejersted
Bödtker, MD and Öivind Ekeberg, MD, PhD

From the University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway.

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/2/265
__________________________________________________________________________
Abstract:
Address correspondence and reprint requests to Anne Nordal
Broen, MD, Department of Behavioral Sciences in Medicine,
Sognsvannsveien 9, University of Oslo, P.O. 1111 Blindern,
0317 Oslo, Norway. E-mail:



OBJECTIVE: To compare the psychological trauma reactions of
women who had either a miscarriage or an induced abortion,
in the 2 years after the event. Further, to identify important
predictors of Impact of Event Scale (IES) scores.

METHOD: A consecutive sample of women who experienced miscar-
riage (N = 40) or induced abortion (N = 80) were interviewed 3
times: 10 days (T1), 6 months (T2), and 2 years (T3) after the
event.

RESULTS: At T1, 47.5% of the women who had a miscarriage were
cases (IES score 19 points on 1 or both of the IES subscales),
compared with 30% for women who had an induced abortion (p = .60).
The corresponding values at T3 were 2.6% and 18.1%, respectively
(p = .019). At all measurement time points, the group who had
induced abortion scored higher on IES avoidance. Women who had
a miscarriage were more likely to experience feelings of loss
and grief, whereas women who had induced abortion were more
likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt, and shame. At
T3, IES intrusion was predicted by feelings of loss and grief
at T1, whereas avoidance at T3 was predicted by guilt and shame
at T1.

CONCLUSION: The short-term emotional reactions to miscarriage
appear to be larger and more powerful than those to induced
abortion. In the long term, however, women who had induced
abortion reported significantly more avoidance of thoughts and
feelings related to the event than women who had a miscarriage.

Do you really have to stoop to such low tactics? You didn't
even quote the abstract to this article in its entirety. Here is the
results section:
"RESULTS: At T1, 47.5% of the women who had a miscarriage were cases
(IES score 19 points on 1 or both of the IES subscales), compared with
30% for women who had an induced abortion (p = .60). The corresponding
values at T3 were 2.6% and 18.1%, respectively (p = .019). At all
measurement time points, the group who had induced abortion scored
higher on IES avoidance. Women who had a miscarriage were more likely to
experience feelings of loss and grief, whereas women who had induced
abortion were more likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt, and
shame. At T3, IES intrusion was predicted by feelings of loss and grief
at T1, whereas avoidance at T3 was predicted by guilt and shame at T1."
It looks to me that "whereas women who had induced abortion were more
likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt, and shame" had a wider
range of feelings than those who miscarried. Note that "relief" is one
of those feelings, but you say nothing about that. Strange how you
only hone in on the "avoidance of thoughts and feelings" portion of
the conclusion section. It is also strange how you think this is some
sort of bad thing. Of course getting an abortion is a very emotional
decision for most women and like most people, we tend to avoid dwelling
on emotionally draining aspects of our lives. Don't you?
.
User: "Papa Jack"

Title: Re: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage. 14 May 2004 04:31:31 PM

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-C67D00.06123114052004@news-60.giganews.com>...

papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:

============================================================================

Papa Jack cited:
Psychosomatic Medicine 66:265-271 (2004); 2004 American
Psychosomatic Society


Psychological Impact on Women of Miscarriage Versus
Induced Abortion: A 2-Year Follow-up Study


Anne Nordal Broen, MD, Torbjörn Moum, PhD, Anne Sejersted
Bödtker, MD and Öivind Ekeberg, MD, PhD


From the University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway.


http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/2/265
__________________________________________________________________________

Abstract:
Address correspondence and reprint requests to Anne Nordal
Broen, MD, Department of Behavioral Sciences in Medicine,
Sognsvannsveien 9, University of Oslo, P.O. 1111 Blindern,
0317 Oslo, Norway. E-mail:



OBJECTIVE: To compare the psychological trauma reactions of
women who had either a miscarriage or an induced abortion,
in the 2 years after the event. Further, to identify important
predictors of Impact of Event Scale (IES) scores.


METHOD: A consecutive sample of women who experienced miscar-
riage (N = 40) or induced abortion (N = 80) were interviewed 3
times: 10 days (T1), 6 months (T2), and 2 years (T3) after the
event.


RESULTS: At T1, 47.5% of the women who had a miscarriage were
cases (IES score 19 points on 1 or both of the IES subscales),
compared with 30% for women who had an induced abortion (p = .60).
The corresponding values at T3 were 2.6% and 18.1%, respectively
(p = .019). At all measurement time points, the group who had
induced abortion scored higher on IES avoidance. Women who had
a miscarriage were more likely to experience feelings of loss
and grief, whereas women who had induced abortion were more
likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt, and shame. At
T3, IES intrusion was predicted by feelings of loss and grief
at T1, whereas avoidance at T3 was predicted by guilt and shame
at T1.


CONCLUSION: The short-term emotional reactions to miscarriage
appear to be larger and more powerful than those to induced
abortion. In the long term, however, women who had induced
abortion reported significantly more avoidance of thoughts and
feelings related to the event than women who had a miscarriage."

__________________________________________________________________________
NOTE: Shawn felt obligated for some reason to delete my
comments -- and then he criticized them. I've reinserted
them below for the convenience of our readers.
__________________________________________________________________________
:: Papa Jack comments:
:: Key conclusion:
:: "In the long term, however, women who had induced
:: abortion reported significantly more avoidance of
:: thoughts and feelings related to the event..."
:: Thus, the researchers find there are significant negative
:: impacts caused by induced abortion.
============================================================================

Shawn Hearn wrote:
Do you really have to stoop to such low tactics? You
didn't even quote the abstract to this article in its
entirety. Here is the results section:

============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
I have no idea what you're claiming here, Shawn. The
words I copied in the paragraph labeled "RESULTS" are
the same words you quote below.
What are the "low tactics" you are claiming I "stoop to?"
============================================================================

Shawn Hearn quoted:
"RESULTS: At T1, 47.5% of the women who had a miscarriage were cases
(IES score 19 points on 1 or both of the IES subscales), compared with
30% for women who had an induced abortion (p = .60). The corresponding
values at T3 were 2.6% and 18.1%, respectively (p = .019). At all
measurement time points, the group who had induced abortion scored
higher on IES avoidance. Women who had a miscarriage were more likely to
experience feelings of loss and grief, whereas women who had induced
abortion were more likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt, and
shame. At T3, IES intrusion was predicted by feelings of loss and grief
at T1, whereas avoidance at T3 was predicted by guilt and shame at T1."

============================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
Please explain how your quote and mine differ?
============================================================================

Shawn Hearn wrote:
It looks to me that "whereas women who had induced abortion
were more likely to experience feelings of relief, guilt,
and shame" had a wider range of feelings than those who
miscarried. Note that "relief" is one of those feelings,
but you say nothing about that.

============================================================================
Papa Jack stated:
I quoted the "CONCLUDIONS" of the researchers, Shawn.
Does THAT bother you?
These experts wrote, in part:
"...In the long term, however, women who had induced
abortion reported significantly more avoidance of
thoughts and feelings related to the event..."
============================================================================

Shawn Hearn wrote:
...Strange how you only hone in on the "avoidance of thoughts
and feelings" portion of the conclusion section.

============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
We are discussing abortion here. I was interested
primarily in the findings related to abortion.
The findings on miscarrage simply provide a control
group to compare the findings against. What's "strange"
about that?
============================================================================

Shawn Hearn wrote:
...It is also strange how you think this is some
sort of bad thing. Of course getting an abortion
is a very emotional decision for most women and
like most people, we tend to avoid dwelling on
emotionally draining aspects of our lives. Don't
you?

============================================================================
Papa Jack
The study found:
"...whereas women who had induced abortion
were more likely to experience feelings of
relief, guilt, and shame."
I wrote (before you deleted it):
:: Key conclusion:
:: "In the long term, however, women who had induced
:: abortion reported significantly more avoidance of
:: thoughts and feelings related to the event..."
:: Thus, the researchers find there are significant
:: negative impacts caused by induced abortion.
What is "strange" about my comments, Shawn?
It's clear this study indicates women have significant
long-range feelings (relief, guilt, and shame) following
induced abortions.
Do you believe the study's conclusions are right or wrong?
.


User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage. 14 May 2004 12:05:40 PM
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

Thus, the researchers find there are significant negative
impacts caused by induced abortion.

Which is meaningless without comparing that outcome against the
negative impacts of forced childbirth.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Flower Power"

Title: Re: Induced Abortion versus Miscarriage. 14 May 2004 10:53:35 PM
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c82u94$hu9$1@bolt.sonic.net...

Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

Thus, the researchers find there are significant negative
impacts caused by induced abortion.


Which is meaningless without comparing that outcome against the
negative impacts of forced childbirth.

=====================================
Especially in the case of a young teen, a rape case, a college student or a
married women with more kids than she can already handle. None of the
anti-choicers seem to CARE about the women involved - I wonder why?
--
FP....
Do they also warn women of the dangers of term pregnancy and
birth?.......like:
http://www.indiaparenting.com/pregnancy/data/preg16_00.shtml
====================================================
.



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