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Science > Abortion |
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"Papa Jack" |
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23 Oct 2003 09:54:56 AM |
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"Infants Are Being Killed" |
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
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A few weeks ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation
of America said in a press release that the Partial-
Birth Abortion Ban Act would "outlaw a medical pro-
cedure used primarily in emergency abortions."
It knows better. Here's the truth:
Thousands of times a year, an abortionist deliber-
ately delivers, feet first, a premature, healthy
infant until only the baby's head remains lodged
just inside the mother's womb. Then he punctures
the base of the baby's skull with 7-inch surgical
scissors and suctions out the brain.
"Premature infant" is accurate. The method is
usually used in the fifth and sixth months
(sometimes later). Babies born just after the
start of the sixth month now very often survive.
Even during the fifth month, if a woman goes
into spontaneous labor, her baby usually will
be alive when born and, therefore, legally
recognized as a "live birth." Thus, this abor-
tion method is, literally, a partial birth.
Eminent medical authorities have testified this
process must be excruciatingly painful for the
baby who is subjected to it.
In Senate floor debate, Sen. Rick Santorum,
R-Pa., said that a partial-birth abortion
"killed" a "child." Sen. Barbara Boxer,
D-Calif., immediately protested that she took
"deep offense" at those words. Offended at
"child"? But even the inventor of the partial-
birth abortion method, the late physician James
McMahon, told American Medical News, "After 20
weeks (4-½ months) where it frankly is a child
to me, I really agonize over it. ... On the
other hand, I have another position, which I
think is superior in the hierarchy of questions,
and that is: 'Who owns the child?' It's got to
be the mother."
Offended at "kill"? Faye Wattleton, former
president of Planned Parenthood, said in
1997, "I think we have deluded ourselves
into believing that people don't know that
abortion is killing."
The executive director of the National
Coalition of Abortion Providers, Ron Fitz-
simmons, told The New York Times, "It is a
form of killing. You're ending a life."
Fitzsimmons also admitted that the method is
used thousands of times annually. He adds that
"in the vast majority of cases, the procedure
is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy
fetus that is 20 weeks or more along."
The truth hurts. But not as much as surgical
scissors through the base of the skull.
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Papa Jack comments:
This is a great recap of the Pro-Abort lies on
partial-birth abortions.
Even after leaders like James McMahon, Faye
Wattleton, and Ron Fitzsimmons tell the truth;
the Pro-Aborts continue to deny it.
taPBAKillsInfants
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: "Infants Are Being Killed" |
23 Oct 2003 02:47:13 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0310230654.11d08bba@posting.google.com...
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
Thousands of times a year,
Not according to the most recent reliable information.
an abortionist deliber-
ately delivers, feet first, a premature, healthy
infant
Wrong again. A zygote isn't "a premature, healthy infant" and neither is a
20-week fetus. Words have meaning.
The method is
usually used in the fifth and sixth months
(sometimes later).
What does that mean in medical terms? "In the fifth month" would seem to
mean in the gestational weeks 17 to 20, but that doesn't add up. (In the
1st month = in weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4; 2nd month = weeks 5, 6, 7 and 8; 3rd
month = 9-12; 4th month = 13-16; 5th month - 17-20; 6th month = 21-24; 7th
month = 25-28; 8th month = 29-32; 9th month = 33-36; 10th month = 37-40???
Or should we add half weeks in there someplace? If so, where? This is why
gestational weeks are obviously the right way to go.)
Babies born just after the
start of the sixth month now very often survive.
Just after the start, as in weeks 21 or 22? No, they do not. In fact, even
at the end of "the sixth month" (assuming that's used as above) babies most
often do not survive.
Why doesn't the writer use correct medical terminology? Well, we know why:
because abortion is banned after 24 weeks in most of the country, earlier in
some places, and is almost impossible to get regardless of the law in any
particular state anyway.
Eminent medical authorities have testified this
process must be excruciatingly painful for the
baby who is subjected to it.
Eminent medical authorities used to testify that masturbation would result
in all kinds of physical and mental illnesses. Whenever I see the term
"emininent medical authorities" I know I can ignore what follows.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: "Infants Are Being Killed" |
23 Oct 2003 12:13:11 PM |
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(Papa Jack) wrote...
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
A few weeks ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation
of America said in a press release that the Partial-
Birth Abortion Ban Act would "outlaw a medical pro-
cedure used primarily in emergency abortions."
It knows better. Here's the truth:
Douglas Johnson should know better. No such statement appears in any
recent Planned Parenthood press release. In fact, a search on Planned
Parenthood's web site on the quoted word string yields no results.
Douglas Johnson is LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH, as the saying goes.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: "Infants Are Being Killed" |
23 Oct 2003 02:16:28 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0310230913.60018c6d@posting.google.com...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
A few weeks ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation
of America said in a press release that the Partial-
Birth Abortion Ban Act would "outlaw a medical pro-
cedure used primarily in emergency abortions."
It knows better. Here's the truth:
Douglas Johnson should know better. No such statement appears in any
recent Planned Parenthood press release. In fact, a search on Planned
Parenthood's web site on the quoted word string yields no results.
Actually, when I did a quick Google search I found that PP did issue a press
release on September 17th containing that language:
"When S.3, a bill to outlaw a medical procedure used primarily in emergency
abortions, passed the Senate, it included an amendment authored by Senators
Tom Harkin (D-IA) and Boxer, affirming support for Roe. Unfortunately, House
Republicans stripped the Roe language before the bill passed the House.
Today's vote was on a measure to disagree with the House action."
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:5cHZkULFVXkJ:www.plannedparenthood.org/about/pr/030917_boxer.html+%2B%22planned+parenthood+federation+of+america%22+%2B%22Medical+procedure%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Now, maybe the press release is referring to intact D&E when used for
late-term abortions - the procedure and the time *have* been inextricably
bound up together in the public consciousness, it seems. Or maybe the press
release is operating on the assumption that all midterm abortions are
emergency abortions. Or maybe there is new information. Regardless, I
think it's a serious mistake because - unless there have been some drastic
recent changes in the use of intact D&E - the statement is misleading at
best.
It's a mistake because it implies that there is something unusually bad
about this method of abortion: "Granted, it's awful, but it's only used in
emergencies!" That's playing right into the hands of abortion opponents.
As is shading the truth, of course.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: "Infants Are Being Killed" |
23 Oct 2003 06:13:00 PM |
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On 23 Oct 2003 10:13:11 -0700, (Spartakus)
wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
A few weeks ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation
of America said in a press release that the Partial-
Birth Abortion Ban Act would "outlaw a medical pro-
cedure used primarily in emergency abortions."
It knows better. Here's the truth:
Douglas Johnson should know better. No such statement appears in any
recent Planned Parenthood press release. In fact, a search on Planned
Parenthood's web site on the quoted word string yields no results.
Douglas Johnson is LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH, as the saying goes.
"outlaw a medical" in Google News got three hits, all from NRLC's
Douglas Johnson; and a few for Louise Slaughter's "For the first time
in the history of the Republic, the Congress of the United States is
poised to outlaw a medical procedure." Which may be where Johnson
got the idea for the press release.
The NRLC claims it was a Sept. 17 2003 release at:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about/pr/030917_boxer.html
(which gives me a 404 error.) No news organization copied this
alleged press release by Planned Parenthood.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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23 Oct 2003 08:14:55 PM |
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"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:3f985da4.506722528@news.la.sbcglobal.net...
On 23 Oct 2003 10:13:11 -0700, (Spartakus)
wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
A few weeks ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation
of America said in a press release that the Partial-
Birth Abortion Ban Act would "outlaw a medical pro-
cedure used primarily in emergency abortions."
Douglas Johnson should know better. No such statement appears in any
recent Planned Parenthood press release. In fact, a search on Planned
Parenthood's web site on the quoted word string yields no results.
"outlaw a medical" in Google News got three hits, all from NRLC's
Douglas Johnson; and a few for Louise Slaughter's "For the first time
in the history of the Republic, the Congress of the United States is
poised to outlaw a medical procedure." Which may be where Johnson
got the idea for the press release.
Google for +"planned parenthood" +"medical procedure". It's on the first
page:
Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt Applauds Senate Effort ...
.... Planned Parenthood will seek a federal injunction to block
implementation of the
dangerous ban ... When S.3, a bill to outlaw a medical procedure used
primarily in ...
www.plannedparenthood.org/about/pr/030917_boxer.html - 22k - Cached -
Similar pages
You'll have to look at the cached version since the press release is already
gone.
The NRLC claims it was a Sept. 17 2003 release at:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about/pr/030917_boxer.html
(which gives me a 404 error.) No news organization copied this
alleged press release by Planned Parenthood.
It is a press release by PP. I am always ready to call right-to-liars lying
liars who lie through their lying teeth, but in this case... they're not.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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| Title: Re: "Infants Are Being Killed" |
24 Oct 2003 09:02:45 AM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote...
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On Oct 23, 2003, USATODAY posted an Op/Ed by
Douglas Johnson titled: "Infants Are Being Killed."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031023/cm_usatoday/11917469
A few weeks ago, the Planned Parenthood Federation
of America said in a press release that the Partial-
Birth Abortion Ban Act would "outlaw a medical pro-
cedure used primarily in emergency abortions."
Douglas Johnson should know better. No such statement appears in any
recent Planned Parenthood press release. In fact, a search on Planned
Parenthood's web site on the quoted word string yields no results.
"outlaw a medical" in Google News got three hits, all from NRLC's
Douglas Johnson; and a few for Louise Slaughter's "For the first time
in the history of the Republic, the Congress of the United States is
poised to outlaw a medical procedure." Which may be where Johnson
got the idea for the press release.
Google for +"planned parenthood" +"medical procedure". It's on the first
page:
Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt Applauds Senate Effort ...
... Planned Parenthood will seek a federal injunction to block
implementation of the
dangerous ban ... When S.3, a bill to outlaw a medical procedure used
primarily in ...
www.plannedparenthood.org/about/pr/030917_boxer.html - 22k - Cached -
Similar pages
You'll have to look at the cached version since the press release is
already gone.
The NRLC claims it was a Sept. 17 2003 release at:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about/pr/030917_boxer.html
(which gives me a 404 error.) No news organization copied this
alleged press release by Planned Parenthood.
It is a press release by PP. I am always ready to call right-to-liars
lying liars who lie through their lying teeth, but in this case...
they're not.
I see what happened - PP put out an inaccurate, poorly-worded press
release that was on the webosphere only briefly and then withdrawn.
It was consequently replaced with a more accurate press release. The
old press release doesn't appear anywhere on PP's web site. So, to
paraphrase Douglas Johnson, PP *does* know better.
Would that State of the Union speeches were scrutinized with the same
care as PP press releases...
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: "Infants Are Being Killed" |
25 Oct 2003 10:08:19 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:6ed74dfa.0310240602.63949fb1@posting.google.com...
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote...
It is a press release by PP. I am always ready to call right-to-liars
lying liars who lie through their lying teeth, but in this case...
they're not.
I see what happened - PP put out an inaccurate, poorly-worded press
release that was on the webosphere only briefly and then withdrawn.
Aha.
It was consequently replaced with a more accurate press release. The
old press release doesn't appear anywhere on PP's web site. So, to
paraphrase Douglas Johnson, PP *does* know better.
Would that State of the Union speeches were scrutinized with the same
care as PP press releases...
Indeed.
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