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Date: 18 Jun 2006 12:19:22 PM
Object: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...)
On 18 Jun 2006, "Planetoid101" <pro_american@email.com> wrote:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5577
http://article.nationalreview.com/
Monday, June 12, 2006 11:05 p.m. EDT
Media Proves Coulter Right

In their outrage over Ann Coulter's new book, "Godless: The Church of
Liberalism." the media have proved the very point they dispute -- the
church of liberalism has a doctrine of infallibility and liberals hide
behind a bevy of sacred cows to defend its tenets.

In her book, Coulter writes that ever since Rush Limbaugh and Fox News
Channel broke the monopoly on the news and the floodgates opened, the
leftist media and the Democrats have been trying "to re-create a world
where they can hurl slander and treason without anyone arguing back
they needed a doctrine of infallibility" that would prevent critics
from answering back, leaving their fallacious doctrines unchallenged.

"They would choose only messengers whom we're not allowed to reply
to," she writes. "That's why all Democratic spokesmen these days are
sobbing hysterical women. You can't respond to them because that would be
questioning the authenticity of their suffering."

Among them, Coulter writes, are "people with "absolute moral authority"
in the words of Maureen Dowd describing Cindy Sheehan -- Democrats with
a dead husband, a dead child, a wife who works at the CIA, a war record,
a terminal illness or as a last resort being on a first-name basis with
Nelson Mandela."

And so we get the likes of the "Jersey Girls" exploiting the deaths of
their husbands on 9/11, Sheehan exploiting the death in Iraq of her son
to attack President Bush, Joe Wilson, Rep. John Murtha and other
untouchables. To challenge their assertions is blasphemy and "over the
line." And an assault on the "sacred."

In her book Coulter writes of all of the above unchallengeable
messengers, but the liberals in the media have focused on one group
the Jersey Girls -- four New Jersey 9/11 windows who have blatantly
exploited the deaths of their husbands exactly as Sheehan has exploited
the heroic death of her son -- to castigate the president and his
administration, and become lionized millionaires in the process.

And, just as Coulter has written, she has been lambasted by the media
and such liberal Democrats as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for daring
to attack their untouchable spokeswomen. Get Ann Coulter's new book
"Godless: The Church of Liberalism," along with a special offer from
NewsMax magazine. Click Here.

The Jersey Girls - Kristen Breitweiser, Mindy Kleinberg, Lorie Van
Auken and Patty Casazza - "scarcely representative of the hundreds of 9/11
widows" as Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote in the Wall Street Journal, are,
being widows, allegedly exempt from being criticized, not for their
widowhood, but for their exploitation of it for the crassest of
political motives.

The four, three of whose husbands worked for the Wall Street firm
Cantor Fitzgerald, first attracted attention when they came together to
complain that the average settlement of $1.6 million the government was
planning to pay 9/11 victims' families was not enough.

After succeeding in getting their payments increased they began
attacking Bush for failing to prevent the 9/11 attacks. They demanded
the establishment of a commission to explain why the government had not
prevented the attack. From the beginning their target was never the
hijackers who murdered 3,000 people, including their husbands, but the
Bush administration.

They cut commercials for Sen. John Kerry during the 2004 presidential
campaign, launched vicious attacks on Condoleezza Rice and leapt to the
defense of Jamie Gorelick, a Clinton administration Justice Department
official who had erected the so-called "wall" that prevented
intelligence agents from sharing information with law enforcement
agents about suspected terrorists in the U.S.

Two years ago, long before Coulter focused on the Jersey Girls, the
Wall Street Journal's Dorothy Rabinowitz wrote about their "venerable
status"

"Who, listening to them, would not be struck by the fact that all their
fury and accusation is aimed not at the killers who snuffed out their
husbands' and so many other lives, but at the American president, his
administration, and an ever wider assortment of targets including the
Air Force, the Port Authority, the City of New York?" she asked. "In
the public pronouncements of the Jersey Girls we find, indeed, hardly a jot
of accusatory rage at the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks. We have, on
the other hand, more than a few declarations like that of Ms.
Breitweiser, announcing that "President Bush and his workers ... were
the individuals that failed my husband and the 3,000 people that day."

"The venerable status accorded this group of widows comes as no surprise
given our times, an age quick to confer both celebrity and authority on
those who have suffered. As the experience of the Jersey Girls shows,
that authority isn't necessarily limited to matters moral or spiritual.

All that the widows have had to say -- including wisdom mind-numbingly
obvious, or obviously false and irrelevant--on the failures of this or
that government agency, on derelictions of duty they charged to the
president, the vice president, the national security adviser, Norad and
the rest, has been received by most of the media and members of Congress
with utmost wonder and admiration. They had become prosecutors and
investigators, unearthing clues and connections related to 9/11, with,
we're regularly informed, unrivalled dedication and skill."

And untouchable, as Coulter has charged.

As Coulter said in a TV interview Saturday night, the media has
portrayed her comments about the Jersey Girls as an attack on all 9/11
widows. This, she explained, is "specifically about four women who have
turned themselves into political activists against the President,
defending Bill Clinton, [and] attacking Condoleeza Rice ..."

Coulter went on to explain that her chapter was about liberal
infallibility and how they "keep sending up these human shields to make
pure partisan political points. Like Cindy Sheehan, like the Jersey
Girls ..."

Coulter explained that in the chapter "I have a whole slew -- plenty of
other examples of the use of human shields ... sending out spokesmen we
can't respond to."

NBC's Brian Williams saw Coulter's criticism of the Jersey Girls as
crossing the line. In introducing the segment on Coulter's remarks,
Williams said, "just when you think that it seems that there are no
limits on anything, someone comes along and makes a comment that goes
over the line -- the line that is shared by just about everybody
because some things are, it turns out, still sacred."

And there you have it. The politicized Jersey Girls represent something
"sacred." They must not be criticized -- to do so is to challenge the
Liberal Doctrine of Infallibility. They are the sacred cows who immunize
the indefensible liberal insanities and slanders of the Democratic Left
from scrutiny, solely by virtue of their massively exploited widowhood.

Just as Coulter said.

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Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely* helping to pave
the way for the theory of 'Intelligent Design' to become super-
imposed right over the top of the orthodox theory of 'Evolution',
i.e. above and beyond the Liberal Atheists' sacred unintelligent
gospel 'According to Charles Darwin'.
That day is coming soon, and as anyone who's been paying attention
to the razor-sharp division between our ruling majority Republican
party versus the dwindling minority, politically-inviable Liberal
party can readily anticipate, the Liberals are *NOT* going to like
what happens i.e. once our U.S. Supreme Court forces 'ID' into all
public schools in all 50 States across the entire U.S.A. bar none.
Because they, Liberal Atheist teachers, board of education, etc.
are going to find themselves looking for another career if they
don't get with our God-fearing,--Republican dominated,--program.
We'll continue to tolerate Liberalism, Atheism, Agnosticism etc.,
but soon they'll be FORCED to tolerate us non-Liberals, us non-
Atheists, us non-Agnostics, etc., exactly as their equals under
*federal* law. They either tolerate us, or they're out the door...
Once 'ID' is added to America's public school curriculum, then
the floodgates really *will* be opened, and God will be freely
invited into all public schools and America's children will be,
at last, liberated (ironic, cf. "liberal") from the viciously
draconian and intolerant de facto state religion of Liberalism,
Liberal Atheism, Anarchism/Antichristism etc, once and for all. :)
Enjoy Life! (fillet a liberal for lunch)
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User: ""

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 22 Jun 2006 02:31:25 AM
**Under@anon.lcs.mit.edu wrote:
Some nut said:

In their outrage over Ann Coulter's new book, "Godless: The
Church of Liberalism." the media have proved the very point
they dispute -- the church of liberalism has a doctrine of
infallibility and liberals hide behind a bevy of sacred cows to
defend its tenets.

Like that little girl orphaned on 9/11 that Bush used in his
television commercials... the body of a 9/11 victim Bush
used in another commercial.... or the non-binding "Support the
President for the sake of the troops" resolution that the
Republican congress stopped all important business to vote
on...
But there is a difference here.
Eleven year old little girls -- like the one Bush exploited for
his television commercials ("Ashley's Story") -- aren't
exactly known for being high powered, independent critical
thinkers.
And the video of a body of a 9/11 victim being removed from
Ground Zero that Bush used in another commercial: The
victim didn't have a lot of say in things either.
And those troops the Republicans are always pretending to
supporting (while they claim the Democrats are not) were
all in Iraq, not on the House floor. It was the Republicans
talking, not any of the troops.
See the difference? In all three examples the Republicans
were putting words into other people's mouths. But, that
isn't the case with the Democrats in the examples that
mAnn Coulter raised.
The 9/11 widows that mAnn Coulter ragged on are all alive,
all mature adults able to both form & express opinions
on complex political issues. The 11 y.o. girl was not. The
dead body was not. The troops, well, they were all half
a world away. They weren't even present.
What is being down here is that the GOP is demonstrating
it's willingness to ***** on grieving mothers & widows if
they dare contradict the all holy neo-con agenda.
mAnn Coulter LOVES when politicians hide behind "Sacred
Cows".... when it's Republicans doing it. And when she
couldn't find a single example of the Democrats doing it,
she had to invent the notion that -- unlike dead bodies and
11 y.o. little girls -- no adult woman could EVER find fault
with a politician unless the LIBRULS were controlling
them.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 18 Jun 2006 09:25:47 PM
**Under@anon.lcs.mit.edu wrote:
snip

Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely* helping to pave
the way for the theory of 'Intelligent Design' to become super-
imposed right over the top of the orthodox theory of 'Evolution',

Not in most countries with indoor plumbing, it isn't...
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
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"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
.
User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 19 Jun 2006 12:18:32 PM
In article <1150683947.835283.26820@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
writes:


**Under@anon.lcs.mit.edu wrote:

snip

Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely* helping to pave
the way for the theory of 'Intelligent Design' to become super-
imposed right over the top of the orthodox theory of 'Evolution',

Not in most countries with indoor plumbing, it isn't...

OK, now that one started my week on a high note.
-- cary
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User: "Razorback"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 22 Jun 2006 01:40:42 AM

Because they, Liberal Atheist teachers, board of education, etc. are going to find themselves looking for another career if
they don't get with our God-fearing,--Republican dominated,--program. We'll continue to tolerate Liberalism, Atheism,
Agnosticism etc., but soon they'll be FORCED to tolerate us non-Liberals, us non- Atheists, us non-Agnostics, etc.,
exactly as their equals under *federal* law. They either tolerate us, or they're out the door...

What are you going to say when you get a Muslim teacher in a public
school, teaching your kid about the Koran? If you want religion taught
in public schools, it's only a matter of time before a non-Christian
teacher gets a job. You can't sanction Christianity over another
religion (First Amendment). I'd think a high wall between church and
state is your best defense. Mine too.
Intelligent Design will get tossed out by the Supreme Court, too. That
won't stop your side from repackaging it under a new name. Prayer in
public schools didn't work, next you called it Creationism. That didn't
work, now you call it Intelligent Design. Next year it will be Faith
Based Cliff Jumping. You keep trying, and I'll keep on protecting you
from yourself.
.

User: "Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 18 Jun 2006 01:49:17 PM
In article <4AC59Q1Q38886.5551157407@twistycreek.com>
**Under God**, Republicans RULE! <anon@comments.header> wrote:


Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely*

Garbage, that sheep like you swallow.
.
User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 18 Jun 2006 06:08:17 PM
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:49:17 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous via the
Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to> wrote:

In article <4AC59Q1Q38886.5551157407@twistycreek.com>
**Under God**, Republicans RULE! <anon@comments.header> wrote:


Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely*


Garbage, that sheep like you swallow.

Min is a nut case.
.


User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 19 Jun 2006 12:17:41 PM
In article <4AC59Q1Q38886.5551157407@twistycreek.com> **Under@anon.lcs.mit.edu, God**@anon.lcs.mit.edu, Republicans RULE! <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:

On 18 Jun 2006, "Planetoid101" <pro_american@email.com> wrote:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5577
http://article.nationalreview.com/
Monday, June 12, 2006 11:05 p.m. EDT
Media Proves Coulter Right

In their outrage over Ann Coulter's new book, "Godless: The Church of
Liberalism." the media have proved the very point they dispute -- the
church of liberalism has a doctrine of infallibility and liberals hide
behind a bevy of sacred cows to defend its tenets.

{...}


Just as Coulter said.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely* helping to pave
the way for the theory of 'Intelligent Design' to become super-
imposed right over the top of the orthodox theory of 'Evolution',

Quite in the manner that Josef Stalin super-imposed Trofim
Denisovich Lysenko's ideas over the top of orthodox genetics,
right?
-- cary
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 05:05:16 PM
Cary Kittrell wrote:

Quite in the manner that Josef Stalin super-imposed Trofim
Denisovich Lysenko's ideas over the top of orthodox genetics,
right?


-- cary

The same Stalin who was a devout Christian until he read Darwin and
became an atheist?
Joseph Stalin (1879-1953) "While studying at the Tiflis Theological
Seminary, he began to read the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a
critical mind and revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in
a book—which was published in Moscow while Stalin was still in
power—that when Stalin began to read Darwin he became an atheist.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp
Jd
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User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 06:17:12 PM
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:05:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
<653h92d0idihmlu2cn4b9lnlrtcn8s53nj@4ax.com>:

Cary Kittrell wrote:

Quite in the manner that Josef Stalin super-imposed Trofim
Denisovich Lysenko's ideas over the top of orthodox genetics,
right?


-- cary


The same Stalin who was a devout Christian until he read Darwin and
became an atheist?

Joseph Stalin (1879-1953) "While studying at the Tiflis Theological
Seminary, he began to read the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a
critical mind and revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in
a book—which was published in Moscow while Stalin was still in
power—that when Stalin began to read Darwin he became an atheist.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp

The AIG claim is intentionally misleading. In other words, you have
repeated a lie. That seems to be uncommonly common for defenders of
creationism. I suppose that defending a lie requires the defender to
lie, though.
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 07:01:16 PM
Free Lunch wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:05:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
<653h92d0idihmlu2cn4b9lnlrtcn8s53nj@4ax.com>:

Cary Kittrell wrote:

Quite in the manner that Josef Stalin super-imposed Trofim
Denisovich Lysenko's ideas over the top of orthodox genetics,
right?


-- cary


The same Stalin who was a devout Christian until he read Darwin and
became an atheist?

Joseph Stalin (1879-1953) "While studying at the Tiflis Theological
Seminary, he began to read the works of Charles Darwin. He developed
a critical mind and revolutionary bent. One of his friends later
said in a book-which was published in Moscow while Stalin was still
in power-that when Stalin began to read Darwin he became an atheist.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp


The AIG claim is intentionally misleading. In other words, you have
repeated a lie. That seems to be uncommonly common for defenders of
creationism. I suppose that defending a lie requires the defender to
lie, though.

AiG claims to be scientific but mandates belief in the bible under any case
where the bible and science disagree.
If the EAC existed and said they were christians but mandated a denial of
the christian god it would be similar to AiG.
.


User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 05:24:29 PM
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:05:16 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <653h92d0idihmlu2cn4b9lnlrtcn8s53nj@4ax.com>
wrote:

Cary Kittrell wrote:

Quite in the manner that Josef Stalin super-imposed Trofim
Denisovich Lysenko's ideas over the top of orthodox genetics,
right?


-- cary


The same Stalin who was a devout Christian until he read Darwin and
became an atheist?

Joseph Stalin (1879-1953) "While studying at the Tiflis Theological
Seminary, he began to read the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a
critical mind and revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in
a book—which was published in Moscow while Stalin was still in
power—that when Stalin began to read Darwin he became an atheist.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp

Wow, a Christian evangelical creationist site blames Darwin. Now that
is a surprise.
--
Matt Silberstein
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User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 05:36:00 PM
In article <0btg925k2mcudovccqgnqh0ham2qogrthe@4ax.com> Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> writes:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:05:16 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <653h92d0idihmlu2cn4b9lnlrtcn8s53nj@4ax.com>
wrote:

Cary Kittrell wrote:

Quite in the manner that Josef Stalin super-imposed Trofim
Denisovich Lysenko's ideas over the top of orthodox genetics,
right?


-- cary


The same Stalin who was a devout Christian until he read Darwin and
became an atheist?

Joseph Stalin (1879-1953) "While studying at the Tiflis Theological
Seminary, he began to read the works of Charles Darwin. He developed a
critical mind and revolutionary bent. One of his friends later said in
a book—which was published in Moscow while Stalin was still in
power—that when Stalin began to read Darwin he became an atheist.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v10/i4/stalin.asp


Wow, a Christian evangelical creationist site blames Darwin. Now that
is a surprise.

It would have been a much greater surpise if JDay had actually
recognized the name "Lysenko", let alone been aware of the
horiffic results of Lysenko's denial of standard evolutionary
theory and genetics.
-- cary
.




User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 19 Jun 2006 12:51:21 AM
In article <4AC59Q1Q38886.5551157407@twistycreek.com>,
**Under@anon.lcs.mit.edu, God**@anon.lcs.mit.edu, Republicans RULE!
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:



Yes! And Ann Coulter's new book is *definitely* helping to pave
the way for the theory of 'Intelligent Design' to become super-
imposed right over the top of the orthodox theory of 'Evolution',
i.e. above and beyond the Liberal Atheists' sacred unintelligent
gospel 'According to Charles Darwin'.

LMAO!
Never mind that the overwhelming majority of scientists accept
evolution, as well as many religious groups. Sorry dude, we are not
going to return to the Middle Ages.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 05:05:15 PM
johac wrote:

Never mind that the overwhelming majority of scientists accept
evolution, as well as many religious groups. Sorry dude, we are not
going to return to the Middle Ages.

You idjut. Since there is no proof of human evolution, you have
confessed the birth of a new "faith" or religion. And it just so
happens that folks in your religion also worship the mother earth
goddess of one of the most ancient relgions which predates even the
dark ages.... i.e. WITCHCRAFT (some hide behide the smooter term
"Wicca").
Pay attention to principle #13 below all you tree huggin envirowackos,
and you can see how according to your new religion, you must've come
from a rat (which was the ancestor of the squirrel, which was the
ancestor of apes and men according to Darwin). And don't let any of
these pseudo scientists persuade you that ToE has advanced beyond
Darwin with this "common ancestor" bull becuase that was Darwin
hisselfs idea (and I can prove it beyond any doubt).
------------ PRINCIPLES OF WICCAN BELIEF ------------
 
The following set of thirteen principles was adopted by the Council of
American Witches in April 1974.
1) We practice rites to attune ourselves with the natural rhythm of
life forces marked by the phases of the Moon and the seasonal Quarters
and Cross Quarters.
2) We recognize that our intelligence gives us a unique responsibility
toward our environment.
3) We seek to live in harmony with nature, in ecological balance
offering fulfillment to life and consciousness within an evolutionary
concept.
4) We acknowledge a depth of power far greater than apparent to the
average person. Because it is far greater than ordinary it is
sometimes called supernatural, but we see it as lying within that
which is naturally potential to all.
5) We conceive of the Creative Power in the universe as manifesting
through polarity -- as masculine and feminine -- and that this same
Creative Power lies in all people, and functions through the
interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value neither above the
other, knowing each to be supportive to the other. We value sex as
pleasure, as the symbol and embodiment of life, and as one of the
sources of energies used in magical practice and religious worship.
6) We recognize both outer worlds and inner, or psychological, worlds
sometimes known as the Spiritual World, the Collective Unconscious,
Inner Planes, etc. -- and we see the interaction of these two
dimensions the basis for paranormal phenomena and magical exercises.
We neglect neither dimension for the other, seeing both as necessary
for our fulfillment.
7) We do not recognize any authoritarian hierarchy, but do honor those
who teach, respect those who share their greater knowledge and wisdom,
and acknowledge those who have courageously given of themselves in
leadership.
8) We see religion, magick, and wisdom in living as being united in
the way one views the world, and lives within it -- a world view and
philosophy of life which we identify as Witchcraft -- the Wiccan Way.
Calling oneself "Witch" does not make a Witch -- but neither does
heredity itself, nor the collecting of titles, degrees, and
initiations. A Witch seeks to control the forces within her/himself
that make life possible in order to live wisely and well without harm
to others and in harmony with Nature.
9) We believe in the affirmation and fulfillment of life in a
continuation of evolution and development of consciousness giving
meaning to the Universe we know and our personal role within it.
Our only animosity toward Christianity, or towards any other religion
or philosophy of life, is to the extent that its institutions have
claimed to be "the only way," and have sought to deny freedom to
others and to suppress other ways of religious practices and belief.
10) As American Witches, we are not threatened by debates on the
history of the Craft, the origins of various terms, the legitimacy of
various aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our
present and not our future.
11) We do not accept the concept of absolute evil, nor do we worship
any entity known as Satan or the Devil, as defined by the Christian
tradition.
12) We do not seek power through the sufferings of others, nor accept
the that personal benefit can be derived only by denial to another.
13) We believe that we should seek within Nature that which is
contributory to our health and well-being.
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"Global warming is true only until sunset" - Jd (June 20, 2006)
Jd
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prophets, so shall ye prosper". (2Chronicles 20:20)
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 21 Jun 2006 12:14:35 AM
In article <162h929u1es9uehof4jumege5u2bc7f1v8@4ax.com>,
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

johac wrote:

Never mind that the overwhelming majority of scientists accept
evolution, as well as many religious groups. Sorry dude, we are not
going to return to the Middle Ages.


You idjut. Since there is no proof of human evolution, you have
confessed the birth of a new "faith" or religion. And it just so
happens that folks in your religion also worship the mother earth
goddess of one of the most ancient relgions which predates even the
dark ages.... i.e. WITCHCRAFT (some hide behide the smooter term
"Wicca").

There is plenty of evidence for evolution, if only those blinded by
centuries of superstition would take their noses out of their 2000 year
old books and get educated.


Pay attention to principle #13 below all you tree huggin envirowackos,
and you can see how according to your new religion, you must've come
from a rat (which was the ancestor of the squirrel, which was the
ancestor of apes and men according to Darwin).

So?

And don't let any of
these pseudo scientists persuade you that ToE has advanced beyond
Darwin with this "common ancestor" bull becuase that was Darwin
hisselfs idea (and I can prove it beyond any doubt).

Now that I would like to see.


<snip irrelevant Wiccan stuff.>
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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User: "Frank Mayhar"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 20 Jun 2006 08:29:50 PM
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:05:15 +0000, Jd wrote:

johac wrote:

Never mind that the overwhelming majority of scientists accept
evolution, as well as many religious groups. Sorry dude, we are not
going to return to the Middle Ages.


You idjut. Since there is no proof of human evolution,

No, the "idjut" in this case would be _you_. Want some proof? Really?
Too bad. Go here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q18C61E4D
Or here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2AC32E4D
There are 150,000 articles regarding evolution listed on PubMed. The
University of Minnesota Library System alone has some 4,445 books on the
subject of evolution. Human evolution in particular may be a tiny subset
of this, but it's there. Did you know that there are fossils of over
1,000 individuals, spanning the time from Lucy to Homo Sapiens?
"No evidence." Man, there's so much evidence it's overwhelming! The only
way you could not _know_ that is if you've either been living under a rock
for the last 150 years or you are, as you say, an "idjut."
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 24 Jun 2006 04:23:12 PM
Frank Mayhar wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:05:15 +0000, Jd wrote:

johac wrote:

Never mind that the overwhelming majority of scientists accept
evolution, as well as many religious groups. Sorry dude, we are not
going to return to the Middle Ages.


You idjut. Since there is no proof of human evolution,


No, the "idjut" in this case would be _you_. Want some proof? Really?
Too bad. Go here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q18C61E4D

Or here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2AC32E4D

There are 150,000 articles regarding evolution listed on PubMed. The
University of Minnesota Library System alone has some 4,445 books on the
subject of evolution. Human evolution in particular may be a tiny subset
of this, but it's there. Did you know that there are fossils of over
1,000 individuals, spanning the time from Lucy to Homo Sapiens?

"No evidence." Man, there's so much evidence it's overwhelming! The only
way you could not _know_ that is if you've either been living under a rock
for the last 150 years or you are, as you say, an "idjut."

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
Jd

.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 25 Jun 2006 01:46:57 AM
Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.

Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 26 Jun 2006 05:35:42 PM
Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.

I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.
Jd
.
User: "Sam"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 26 Jun 2006 06:01:54 PM
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:35:42 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.


I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.

Jd

For which species is there proof of evolution? Can DNA mutate to form
new species? How old is the earth? How long have there been humans
on it?
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 29 Jun 2006 11:08:20 PM
Sam wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:35:42 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.


I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.

Jd


For which species is there proof of evolution? Can DNA mutate to form
new species? How old is the earth? How long have there been humans
on it?

Inquiring minds want to know. And that's good.
Jesus claimed to have existed before he was "born".
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am".
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own
self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." -
Jesus
So you can see that the "ToE" is completely irrelevant in the overall
scheme of things.
It is just as irrelevant as Al Gores claim of global warming.
Jd
.
User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 30 Jun 2006 08:03:21 PM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

So you can see that the "ToE" is completely irrelevant in the overall
scheme of things.

No. The "overall scheme of things" is utterly irrelevant to the daily
life of real people.
lojbab
.

User: "Sam"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 30 Jun 2006 07:34:15 AM
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:08:20 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Inquiring minds want to know. And that's good.

Jesus claimed to have existed before he was "born".

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am".

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own
self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." -
Jesus

So you can see that the "ToE" is completely irrelevant in the overall
scheme of things.

It is just as irrelevant as Al Gores claim of global warming.

Jd

Do you also believe everything you can read in the Koran? If not,
what's the difference between it and the book of John?
.



User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 27 Jun 2006 06:46:22 AM
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:35:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <i4v0a29o45ha3bpjd37emvc5k69pulckn6@4ax.com>
wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.


I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.

Too bad, though, that there is lots and lots of evidence for it. I can
"prove" there is no proof the Earth has a hot metallic core, that
won't change the Earth's core though.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 28 Jun 2006 03:45:30 AM
Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:35:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <i4v0a29o45ha3bpjd37emvc5k69pulckn6@4ax.com>
wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.


I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.


Too bad, though, that there is lots and lots of evidence for it. I can
"prove" there is no proof the Earth has a hot metallic core, that
won't change the Earth's core though.

Tain't nothing. I can prove you can't pick up a piece of chalk.
(And the proof got me out of having to take a speech class when I went to
college.)
.

User: "Jd"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 29 Jun 2006 11:08:22 PM
Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:35:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <i4v0a29o45ha3bpjd37emvc5k69pulckn6@4ax.com>
wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.


I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.


Too bad, though, that there is lots and lots of evidence for it. I can
"prove" there is no proof the Earth has a hot metallic core, that
won't change the Earth's core though.

Go ahead then and prove that. I care not since I've proven that there
is no proof of human evolution.
In fact I care for nothing unless you think you can prove that I ain't
a spokesman for God.
Who are you speaking for, yourself.........the devil, or some other
miscegenated miscreant of the underworld?
Jd
.
User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 30 Jun 2006 12:36:10 AM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

Jd

I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.


Too bad, though, that there is lots and lots of evidence for it. I can
"prove" there is no proof the Earth has a hot metallic core, that
won't change the Earth's core though.


Go ahead then and prove that. I care not since I've proven that there
is no proof of human evolution.

There's no proof of your existance. But that, like your statement,
is just a childish game played by religious cowards too scared to
accept the truth.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 30 Jun 2006 08:06:04 PM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:

Go ahead then and prove that. I care not since I've proven that there
is no proof of human evolution.

But there is. We won't find anyone today who has the exact same genome
as someone a thousand years ago. Therefore some evolution has taken
place. To prove that there has not been human evolution, you would
have to find someone today with the same genome as people had a long
time in the past.
lojbab
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 30 Jun 2006 08:05:59 AM
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:08:22 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <qq29a2p84m46rr63ooqktbngalg3btau6b@4ax.com>
wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:35:42 GMT, in alt.atheism , Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> in <i4v0a29o45ha3bpjd37emvc5k69pulckn6@4ax.com>
wrote:

Mike Painter wrote:

Jd wrote:

Frank Mayhar wrote:

<snip>

Evidence is not proof. "Evidence" does however, provide faith which
why evolution has become an actual religion.


Thus another fundy demonstrates he has no concept of science.


I have proven that there is no proof of human evolution.


Too bad, though, that there is lots and lots of evidence for it. I can
"prove" there is no proof the Earth has a hot metallic core, that
won't change the Earth's core though.


Go ahead then and prove that. I care not since I've proven that there
is no proof of human evolution.

So we agree: the hot metallic core of the Earth and human evolution
have the same scientific status.

In fact I care for nothing unless you think you can prove that I ain't
a spokesman for God.

As soon as you prove that I am not also a spokesman for God.

Who are you speaking for, yourself.........the devil, or some other
miscegenated miscreant of the underworld?

God, of course.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
.

User: "Frank Mayhar"

Title: Re: 'Intelligent Design' Inevitable (was: Astronomy...) 30 Jun 2006 12:46:54 AM
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:08:22 +0000, Jd wrote:

Go ahead then and prove that. I care not since I've proven that there
is no proof of human evolution.

Only if you think that saying something makes it true. Back here in
reality, though, you're just a babbling idiot.

In fact I care for nothing unless you think you can prove that I ain't
a spokesman for God.

....as I was saying, yes, a babbling idiot. And since, well, this "god"
thing doesn't exist in the first place, I guess that makes you a spokesman
for, um, maybe those voices in your head?

Who are you speaking for, yourself.........the devil, or some other
miscegenated miscreant of the underworld?

Ooh, it can alliterate! Too bad "miscegenated" isn't a word.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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