Science > Abortion > Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University
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Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Me | May 16, 2005 | Me
Posted on 05/16/2007 11:02:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
I found the following form letter on a website, copied and pasted it,
and sent it to the president of Iowa State University. The emailed me
back (probably with a form letter). But the point is, they are
responding (and therefore keeping track)!!! Below is the letter I sent
and their response. See reply #2 for a link for background info. on
Dr. Gonzalez--GGG
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To: Subject: Guillermo Gonzalez Tenure Ruling
President Gregory L. Geoffroy,
I am disappointed at the University's denial of Guillermo Gonzalez
tenure application. Despite the fact that Dr. Gonzalez has 68 peer-
reviewed publications, he seems to be denied tenure on the basis of
viewpoint discrimination. Although the University's mission statement
says, "In carrying out its mission, Iowa State will increase and
support diversity in the University community. Diversity enlivens the
exchange of ideas, broadens scholarship, and prepares students for
lifelong, productive participation in society.", it seems that this
diversity does not apply to those who promote intelligent design
theory.
Please do the right thing and approve Guillermo Gonzalez tenure
application.
Sincerely,
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Thank you for writing to President Geoffroy about the matter involving
Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez. Pres. Geoffroy has asked me to respond on his
behalf because he is in the process of considering Dr. Gonzalez's
appeal of the tenure decision, and it is not appropriate to comment
until the appeal decision is finalized. For your information, I have
outlined below the facts related to this matter.
Like most research universities, Iowa State has an extensive process
of evaluating faculty for tenure. The procedure is prescribed in the
Faculty Handbook (http://www.provost.iastate.edu/faculty/handbook/
faculty_handbook/) and in the college and department organizational
documents. The evaluation is based on the candidate's record of
teaching, service and scholarly research during the time of the
candidate's appointment at Iowa State, using standards and
expectations set by the candidate's tenured faculty colleagues in his/
her academic department. The review begins in the candidate's academic
department, where a recommendation on tenure and promotion is
generated by a vote of the tenured faculty. The process includes
consideration of recommendations of reputable persons in the same area
of study, but who are not at Iowa State. That is progressively
followed by reviews by the department chair, a college-level
committee, the dean of the college, and the executive vice president
and provost, all of whom generate recommendations for the next level
of review. The candidate's dossier and all of the recommendations are
then presented to the university president, who makes a final
decision. In the case of a final negative decision, the candidate has
the right of appeal, using a process that is prescribed in the Faculty
Handbook.
The tenure decision is one of the most important decisions that a
university makes, because it means a lifetime appointment for the
individual being considered, and before granting tenure, faculty and
university leaders must be convinced of the candidate's promise of
excellence in his/her academic discipline that will last for the
duration of his/her academic career. It is a very high standard of
excellence and achievement, and there are many good researchers, and
good people, who fail to satisfy the demands of earning tenure.
As an assistant professor of physics and astronomy, Dr. Gonzalez was
evaluated for tenure and promotion to associate professor by the
tenured faculty in the Department of Physics and Astronomy. That
evaluation was based on an assessment of the excellence of his
teaching, service, scholarly research publications and research
funding in astronomy, using standards and expectations set by the
faculty in the department. The consensus of the tenured department
faculty, the department chair, the College of Liberal Arts and
Sciences, the dean of Liberal Arts and Sciences and the executive vice
president and provost was that tenure should not be granted. On the
basis of those recommendations against granting tenure and promotion
at every prior level of review and the president's own review of the
record, President Geoffroy notified Dr. Gonzalez in April that he
would not be granted tenure and promotion to associate professor.
On May 9, Dr. Gonzalez, following university procedure, submitted to
the president an appeal of the final tenure decision, and that appeal
is now being considered with a decision expected to be rendered by
June 6, 2007.
For more information regarding this tenure case, please follow this
link: http://www.iastate.edu/~nscentral/news/2007/may/tenureFAQ.shtml
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18 May 2007 08:21:07 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
news:1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist = Oxymoron.
Smiler,
The godless one
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| User: "MatthewTan" |
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19 May 2007 03:02:24 AM |
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Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez, an ID theorist, has been denied tenure by the
university of Iowa.
Years' ago, a group of atheist academics in the campus has been
agitating for his removal. Now it happens. The ID community is
outraged.
A search on "Guillermo Gonzalez astro" at Google Scholars show up 460
articles. Many of Dr. Gonzalez's articles are published in prestigious
scientific journals. One article even appeared on the cover of
Scientific American (2001).
Dr Gonzalez is not about biological evolution but about The Privileged
Planet. The Earth.
Support Dr. Gonzalez. Support academic freedom.
Gonzalez is coauthor of:
1. The Privileged Planet
2. Observational Astronomy Combat materialism.
http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/Gonzalez.html.
(a high-level-university astronomy textbook)
Read more on ID.
http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/index.html
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| User: "Ralph Page" |
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19 May 2007 01:40:13 PM |
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"MatthewTan" <elearningstreams@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179561744.885941.61810@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez, an ID theorist, has been denied tenure by
the
university of Iowa.
Years' ago, a group of atheist academics in the campus has been
agitating for his removal. Now it happens. The ID community is
outraged.
A search on "Guillermo Gonzalez astro" at Google Scholars show up
460
articles. Many of Dr. Gonzalez's articles are published in
prestigious
scientific journals. One article even appeared on the cover of
Scientific American (2001).
<snip>
Gosh, that's a lot of hits.
Too bad it has nothing to do with the number of publications Dr.
Gonzalez has produced.
It appears that you were either being deliberately misleading or just
sloppy.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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19 May 2007 01:58:12 PM |
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In article <cwH3i.941$u56.839@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
"Ralph Page" <ralph@PANTSralphpage.net> wrote:
"MatthewTan" <elearningstreams@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179561744.885941.61810@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez, an ID theorist, has been denied tenure by
the university of Iowa.
Years' ago, a group of atheist academics in the campus has been
agitating for his removal. Now it happens. The ID community is
outraged.
A search on "Guillermo Gonzalez astro" at Google Scholars show
up 460 articles. Many of Dr. Gonzalez's articles are published
in prestigious scientific journals. One article even appeared on
the cover of Scientific American (2001).
<snip>
Gosh, that's a lot of hits.
Too bad it has nothing to do with the number of publications Dr.
Gonzalez has produced.
It appears that you were either being deliberately misleading or just
sloppy.
or ignorant.
but then ignorance goes with intelligent design.
--
get real. like jesus would ever own a gun or vote republican.
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| User: "Ken" |
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21 May 2007 02:06:59 PM |
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On May 19, 11:58 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gosh, that's a lot of hits.
Too bad it has nothing to do with the number of publications Dr.
Gonzalez has produced.
It appears that you were either being deliberately misleading or just
sloppy.
or ignorant.
but then ignorance goes with intelligent design
Shows that at least some people from a Bible Belt University have good
sense
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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21 May 2007 04:28:38 PM |
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In article <1179774419.707264.267940@36g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Ken <flakey714@aol.com> wrote:
On May 19, 11:58 am, "james g. keegan jr." <jgkee...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gosh, that's a lot of hits.
Too bad it has nothing to do with the number of publications Dr.
Gonzalez has produced.
It appears that you were either being deliberately misleading or just
sloppy.
or ignorant.
but then ignorance goes with intelligent design
Shows that at least some people from a Bible Belt University have good
sense
which is surprising.
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get real. like jesus would ever own a gun or vote republican.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 May 2007 07:50:30 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:40:13 -0700, "Ralph Page"
<ralph@PANTSralphpage.net> wrote:
- Refer: <cwH3i.941$u56.839@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>
"MatthewTan" <elearningstreams@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179561744.885941.61810@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez, an ID theorist, has been denied tenure by
the
university of Iowa.
Years' ago, a group of atheist academics in the campus has been
agitating for his removal. Now it happens. The ID community is
outraged.
A search on "Guillermo Gonzalez astro" at Google Scholars show up
460
articles. Many of Dr. Gonzalez's articles are published in
prestigious
scientific journals. One article even appeared on the cover of
Scientific American (2001).
<snip>
Gosh, that's a lot of hits.
Too bad it has nothing to do with the number of publications Dr.
Gonzalez has produced.
It appears that you were either being deliberately misleading or just
sloppy.
Or most likely: both.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 May 2007 03:24:56 AM |
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On 19 May 2007 01:02:24 -0700, MatthewTan <elearningstreams@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez, an ID theorist
There is no such bloody thing!
Next you'll be telling us that he is a Harry Potter theorist!
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| User: "John Baker" |
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19 May 2007 03:27:38 AM |
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On 19 May 2007 01:02:24 -0700, MatthewTan <elearningstreams@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez, an ID theorist, has been denied tenure by the
university of Iowa.
Since there is no ID theory, it stands to reason that there are no ID
theorists. Dr. Gonzalez is a huckster promoting religion as science,
nothing more.
Years' ago, a group of atheist academics
You have evidence that they were atheists, I take it?
in the campus has been
agitating for his removal. Now it happens. The ID community is
outraged.
Tough *****. The scientific community is outraged by the likes of Dr.
Gonzalez attempting to pass creationism off as science.
A search on "Guillermo Gonzalez astro" at Google Scholars show up 460
articles. Many of Dr. Gonzalez's articles are published in prestigious
scientific journals. One article even appeared on the cover of
Scientific American (2001).
Not in the field of biology, I'll wager.
Dr Gonzalez is not about biological evolution but about The Privileged
Planet. The Earth.
Dr Gonzalez co-authored a high-level-university astronomy textbook.
Ah. Not a biologist. I thought as much.
In matters not related to his field of expertise (such as evolutionary
biology, for example), an astronomer's opinion is worth no more than
the opinion of the guy who bags your groceries.
Support Gonzalez. Support academic freedom.
Academic freedom does not include the "freedom" to teach religion as
science.
Gonzalez is coauthor of:
1. The Privileged Planet
2. Observational Astronomy Combat materialism.
http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/Gonzalez.html.
Read more on ID.
http://www.elearningstreams.com/origins/index.html
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18 May 2007 02:54:28 PM |
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In article <1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Help keep ID out of science
Email:
Subject: Guillermo Gonzalez Tenure Ruling
President Gregory L. Geoffroy,
Please Keep Science Honest.
Don't yield to anti-science pressures.
Sincerely,
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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18 May 2007 04:26:01 PM |
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Virgil responded :
In article <1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Help keep ID out of science
Email:
geoffroy@iastate.edu Subject: Guillermo Gonzalez Tenure Ruling
President Gregory L. Geoffroy,
Please Keep Science Honest.
Don't yield to anti-science pressures.
Sincerely,
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My email sent.
Pang - ID IDiots ... humph!
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Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
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18 May 2007 04:28:41 PM |
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On 18 Mai, 20:46, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Rightly so.
Why should your country become even dumber?
BTW, "intelligent desing" and "scientist" don't go together.
Why do American christians have problem with a fact -evolution- that
no other christian on the planet has problem with?
Could it be that American christians are that dumb?
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19 May 2007 03:21:52 AM |
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On 18 May 2007 11:46:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
If he isn't teaching religion he should be denied.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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18 May 2007 07:32:24 PM |
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On 18 May 2007 11:46:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
Although the University's mission statement
says, "In carrying out its mission, Iowa State will increase and
support diversity in the University community. Diversity enlivens the
exchange of ideas, broadens scholarship, and prepares students for
lifelong, productive participation in society.", it seems that this
diversity does not apply to those who promote intelligent design
theory.
Stupidity isn't spelled d-i-v-e-r-s-i-t-y.
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19 May 2007 03:05:08 AM |
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On 18 May 2007 11:46:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Imagine my disappointment that the article doesn't contain a single
suggestion as to how readers can help deny tenure to ID charlatans...
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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18 May 2007 02:14:32 PM |
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On 18 May 2007 11:46:37 -0700, in alt.atheism , Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> in
<1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Me | May 16, 2005 | Me
Posted on 05/16/2007 11:02:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
I found the following form letter on a website, copied and pasted it,
and sent it to the president of Iowa State University. The emailed me
back (probably with a form letter). But the point is, they are
responding (and therefore keeping track)!!! Below is the letter I sent
and their response. See reply #2 for a link for background info. on
Dr. Gonzalez--GGG
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To: Subject: Guillermo Gonzalez Tenure Ruling
Bad week for people named Gonzalez.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/05/alas_poor_guillermo_gonzalez.php
Here's a review of his book:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/784_review_of_emthe_privileged_p_6_7_2005.asp
"The Privileged Planet is based upon the odd notion that the more
unsuitable our universe is for producing intelligent life, the more
likely it is that our universe was "designed" to produce intelligent
life by a "designer" of indeterminate nature; put another way,
supposedly the less likely it is that there could be a planet in our
universe that supports intelligent life, then the more likely it is
that the universe was "designed" to produce a particular intelligent
life form -- us -- that can and will investigate the nature of the
universe."
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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20 May 2007 04:13:23 PM |
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On May 18, 3:14 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 18 May 2007 11:46:37 -0700, in alt.atheism , Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> in
<1179513996.845898.318...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Me | May 16, 2005 | Me
Posted on 05/16/2007 11:02:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
I found the following form letter on a website, copied and pasted it,
and sent it to the president of Iowa State University. The emailed me
back (probably with a form letter). But the point is, they are
responding (and therefore keeping track)!!! Below is the letter I sent
and their response. See reply #2 for a link for background info. on
Dr. Gonzalez--GGG
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To: Subject: Guillermo Gonzalez Tenure Ruling
Bad week for people named Gonzalez.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/05/alas_poor_guillermo_gonzal...
Here's a review of his book:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/784_review_of_emthe_privile...
"The Privileged Planet is based upon the odd notion that the more
unsuitable our universe is for producing intelligent life, the more
likely it is that our universe was "designed" to produce intelligent
life by a "designer" of indeterminate nature; put another way,
supposedly the less likely it is that there could be a planet in our
universe that supports intelligent life, then the more likely it is
that the universe was "designed" to produce a particular intelligent
life form -- us -- that can and will investigate the nature of the
universe."
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
It kinda seems that the "Privileged Planet" theory would tend to
oppose intelligent design--- because ID requires there to be at least
TWO places where intelligent life can exist (i.e., our Earth and
wherever it is that the Creator does His or her work.)
I never quite understood why the existence of a Creator is
incompatible with Evolution anyway: why can't the Creator use
Evolution as a design tool?
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20 May 2007 08:45:28 PM |
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On 20 May 2007 14:13:23 -0700, Timothy
<Timothy.Horrigan@alumni.usc.edu> wrote:
- Refer: <1179695602.927859.127820@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
On May 18, 3:14 pm, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On 18 May 2007 11:46:37 -0700, in alt.atheism , Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> in
<1179513996.845898.318...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Me | May 16, 2005 | Me
Posted on 05/16/2007 11:02:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
I found the following form letter on a website, copied and pasted it,
and sent it to the president of Iowa State University. The emailed me
back (probably with a form letter). But the point is, they are
responding (and therefore keeping track)!!! Below is the letter I sent
and their response. See reply #2 for a link for background info. on
Dr. Gonzalez--GGG
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To: Subject: Guillermo Gonzalez Tenure Ruling
Bad week for people named Gonzalez.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/05/alas_poor_guillermo_gonzal...
Here's a review of his book:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/784_review_of_emthe_privile...
"The Privileged Planet is based upon the odd notion that the more
unsuitable our universe is for producing intelligent life, the more
likely it is that our universe was "designed" to produce intelligent
life by a "designer" of indeterminate nature; put another way,
supposedly the less likely it is that there could be a planet in our
universe that supports intelligent life, then the more likely it is
that the universe was "designed" to produce a particular intelligent
life form -- us -- that can and will investigate the nature of the
universe."
[snip]
--
Matt Silberstein
It kinda seems that the "Privileged Planet" theory would tend to
oppose intelligent design--- because ID requires there to be at least
TWO places where intelligent life can exist (i.e., our Earth and
wherever it is that the Creator does His or her work.)
I never quite understood why the existence of a Creator is
incompatible with Evolution anyway: why can't the Creator use
Evolution as a design tool?
The Parsimony Principle.
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21 May 2007 04:22:51 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
<Timothy.Horrigan@alumni.usc.edu> wrote:
It kinda seems that the "Privileged Planet" theory would tend to
oppose intelligent design--- because ID requires there to be at least
TWO places where intelligent life can exist (i.e., our Earth and
wherever it is that the Creator does His or her work.)
I never quite understood why the existence of a Creator is
incompatible with Evolution anyway: why can't the Creator use
Evolution as a design tool?
The Parsimony Principle.
Here's a thought for you: apply the Peter Principle to gods.
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chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/chris.holt
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21 May 2007 05:29:18 AM |
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:22:51 +0100, "chris.holt"
<chris.holt@ncl.ac.uk> wrote:
- Refer: <1179739376.324808@ucsnew2.ncl.ac.uk>
Michael Gray wrote:
<Timothy.Horrigan@alumni.usc.edu> wrote:
It kinda seems that the "Privileged Planet" theory would tend to
oppose intelligent design--- because ID requires there to be at least
TWO places where intelligent life can exist (i.e., our Earth and
wherever it is that the Creator does His or her work.)
I never quite understood why the existence of a Creator is
incompatible with Evolution anyway: why can't the Creator use
Evolution as a design tool?
The Parsimony Principle.
Here's a thought for you: apply the Peter Principle to gods.
"gods" only exist in (naive, delusional) people's imaginations.
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19 May 2007 09:03:37 PM |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University
Good. Lunatics don't make good professors...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
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19 May 2007 09:45:28 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:37 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University
Good. Lunatics don't make good professors...
Although they do make INTERESTING ones...
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| User: "Steve" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
20 May 2007 07:45:03 AM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 02:45:28 GMT, 3416 Dead
<zepp22113416@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:37 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 12:46:37 -0700, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University
Good. Lunatics don't make good professors...
Although they do make INTERESTING ones...
Naw, I doubt that Churchill was even remotely interesting...
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
18 May 2007 02:17:17 PM |
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On May 18, 7:46 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
I have emailed them to show my support for their right to make their
own decision, and have urged them to stand firmly against pressure
from an organised mob.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
18 May 2007 09:16:37 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State
That's an oxymoron.
If some idiot wants to reject science in favor of his heresy then he
is free to do so, but he shouldn't expect a job as a scientist.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
20 May 2007 01:50:56 PM |
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On May 18, 10:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State
That's an oxymoron.
If some idiot wants to reject science in favor of his heresy then he
is free to do so, but he shouldn't expect a job as a scientist.
--
Ray Fischer
Heresy against what? The religion of science? I've read these posts
and I'm glad to see the caliber of people who would/are voting against
the appointment of a scientist who believes in Intelligent Design.
Surely the support of such moronic people will not reassure the
university on their stance.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
20 May 2007 03:28:57 PM |
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Linda Lee <lindagirl444@juno.com> wrote:
On May 18, 10:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State
That's an oxymoron.
If some idiot wants to reject science in favor of his heresy then he
is free to do so, but he shouldn't expect a job as a scientist.
Heresy against what? The religion of science?
No, most mainstrean Christian religions.
I've read these posts
and I'm glad to see the caliber of people who would/are voting against
the appointment of a scientist who believes in Intelligent Design.
Educated people.
Surely the support of such moronic people will not reassure the
university on their stance.
"Moronic" peopel who reject your heretical idiocy of ID?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
20 May 2007 11:25:32 PM |
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On 20 May 2007 11:50:56 -0700, Linda Lee <lindagirl444@juno.com>
wrote:
On May 18, 10:16 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State
That's an oxymoron.
If some idiot wants to reject science in favor of his heresy then he
is free to do so, but he shouldn't expect a job as a scientist.
--
Ray Fischer
Heresy against what? The religion of science? I've read these posts
and I'm glad to see the caliber of people who would/are voting against
the appointment of a scientist who believes in Intelligent Design.
Surely the support of such moronic people will not reassure the
university on their stance.
Perhaps you'd be kind enough to provide us poor "morons" with some
testable, *objective* evidence for ID, then. It's rather difficult for
dimwitted, imaginationless souls such as we to take your side
seriously when all you offer in your own defense are fallacious
arguments from ignorance and personal incredulity.
And while you're at it, you might also be kind enough to explain why
an astronomer's opinion regarding matters of evolutionary biology is
worth any more than a plumber's or a tree surgeon's.
Idiot.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
18 May 2007 08:54:04 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in
news:1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
Subject: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State
University
They should have hired him.
Universities need janitors, too.
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aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
18 May 2007 07:43:33 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in
news:1179513996.845898.318200@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
(snip *****)
"intelligent design scientist" Wow. The oxymoron of the day.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Bill Dunkenfield" |
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| Title: Re: Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State University |
18 May 2007 04:52:19 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834620/posts
Intelligent Design Scientist Denied Tenure at Iowa State (what you can
do to help!)
Me | May 16, 2005 | Me
And rightly so!
JAM
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