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Topic:	Science > Abortion
User:	"Ray Fischer"
Date:	04 Dec 2004 01:54:19 AM
Object:	Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'

Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the
war, a British medical charity says.
Doctors from the group Medact conducted surveys with international
aid groups and Iraqi health workers in September.
They exposed poor sanitation in many hospitals, shortages of drugs
and qualified staff and huge gaps in services for mothers and
children.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "awthrawthr"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 03:42:04 PM

(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<corqfa$kqh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the
war, a British medical charity says.

Doctors from the group Medact conducted surveys with international
aid groups and Iraqi health workers in September.

They exposed poor sanitation in many hospitals, shortages of drugs
and qualified staff and huge gaps in services for mothers and
children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm

I understand the quality of the arugula is only two stars, too. Life
sucks in the middle of a war. Maybe if the terrorists would quit
blowing up oil lines, cars and people, Iraq could get better faster.
And maybe if the UN's 'Oil-for-Fools' program hadn't been so corrupt
as to let Saddam syphon off $23 billion samolians to fund terrorism,
etc., the "huge gaps in services for mothers and children" wouldn't be
so great.
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User: "Tom the canuck"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 04:45:04 PM

and maybe if the US and the UK weren't so freaking anal retentive when they
were ensuring that Saddam didn't get weapons of mass destruction via
children's medicines, then maybe, just maybe, they would have realized that
the there was corruption in the oil for food program.
All the US and the UK were bitching about, prior to the Iraq war, was that
Saddam was skimming off the profits for WMD, and, surprise surpise, no WMD
were found.
the US and the UK were so busy applying sanctions against Iraq, ensuring
that many people in Iraq lived in squalour, that they forgot to mind the
store.
I realize, being a reasonable fella, that this program was corrupt. However,
part of the blame lies in those who were so anal retentive-ie. the US and
the UK.
Now the right wing US administration is salivating at the thought that the
UN can be ridiculed. Sit pavlov.
"awthrawthr" <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f8602f93.0412041342.cc83405@posting.google.com...

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<corqfa$kqh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the
war, a British medical charity says.

Doctors from the group Medact conducted surveys with international
aid groups and Iraqi health workers in September.

They exposed poor sanitation in many hospitals, shortages of drugs
and qualified staff and huge gaps in services for mothers and
children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm

I understand the quality of the arugula is only two stars, too. Life
sucks in the middle of a war. Maybe if the terrorists would quit
blowing up oil lines, cars and people, Iraq could get better faster.

And maybe if the UN's 'Oil-for-Fools' program hadn't been so corrupt
as to let Saddam syphon off $23 billion samolians to fund terrorism,
etc., the "huge gaps in services for mothers and children" wouldn't be
so great.
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User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 10:10:28 PM

awthrawthr <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<corqfa$kqh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the
war, a British medical charity says.

Doctors from the group Medact conducted surveys with international
aid groups and Iraqi health workers in September.

They exposed poor sanitation in many hospitals, shortages of drugs
and qualified staff and huge gaps in services for mothers and
children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm

I understand the quality of the arugula is only two stars, too. Life
sucks in the middle of a war.

Obviously Bush isn't pro-life.
He's just pro-war.

Maybe if the terrorists would quit
blowing up oil lines,

What "terrorists"? The freedom fighters that are trying to drive
out the invaders and are dealing with the traitors helping the
invaders?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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User: "Chas"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 10:19:07 AM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote

What "terrorists"? The freedom fighters that are trying to drive
out the invaders and are dealing with the traitors helping the
invaders?

No; we whipped them.
Now it's the mujahideen ideologues that will continue to fight their
religious war in Iraq instead of Albuquerque.
Chas
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User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 12:17:05 PM

Chas <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote

What "terrorists"? The freedom fighters that are trying to drive
out the invaders and are dealing with the traitors helping the
invaders?

No; we whipped them.
Now it's the mujahideen ideologues that will continue to fight their
religious war in Iraq instead of Albuquerque.

Such a good little nazi you are: Kill innocent people by the tens
and hundreds of thousands and feel proud.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Cleopatra"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 09:26:14 AM

(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<corqfa$kqh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the
war, a British medical charity says.

Doctors from the group Medact conducted surveys with international
aid groups and Iraqi health workers in September.

They exposed poor sanitation in many hospitals, shortages of drugs
and qualified staff and huge gaps in services for mothers and
children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm

Uh, before the war Saddam Hussein and his henchmen murdered, tortured,
raped, tossed in plastic shredders and otherwise dismembered about
three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.
Under the circumstances, one is inclined to ask what these Medact
doctors were doing while that was going on? Or just how great the
"health" system was before we got there? Are wars supposed to
"improve" a country's health care delivery system? Is that why we're
there? What, bad things only happen when American soldiers are around?
That's what we thought.
Next news release should be a story about the shortage of fresh
lettuce in Baghdad we reckon.
Cleopatra
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User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 09:28:45 AM

Cleopatra wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<corqfa$kqh$1@bolt.sonic.net>...

Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the
war, a British medical charity says.

Doctors from the group Medact conducted surveys with international
aid groups and Iraqi health workers in September.

They exposed poor sanitation in many hospitals, shortages of drugs
and qualified staff and huge gaps in services for mothers and
children.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm

Uh, before the war Saddam Hussein and his henchmen murdered, tortured,
raped, tossed in plastic shredders

Have they found the shredders yet?
and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say. Have they found anywhere near that many
bodies yet?

Under the circumstances, one is inclined to ask what these Medact
doctors were doing while that was going on? Or just how great the
"health" system was before we got there?

It was pretty bad because of the sanctions. Before the sanctions, it was
one of the best in the area.
Are wars supposed to

"improve" a country's health care delivery system? Is that why we're
there? What, bad things only happen when American soldiers are around?
That's what we thought.

Next news release should be a story about the shortage of fresh
lettuce in Baghdad we reckon.

Cleopatra

User: "Chas"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 09:48:07 AM

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

It was pretty bad because of the sanctions.

You mean the humanitarian exceptions that Saddam used to bribe the UN and
support his sons' torture/murder/rape habits- and the Olympic training
palace?

Before the sanctions, it was one of the best in the area.

And now it's being measured against what?
It's *still* 'one of the best in the area'.
Chas
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User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 09:52:08 AM

Chas wrote:

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

It was pretty bad because of the sanctions.

You mean the humanitarian exceptions that Saddam used to bribe the UN and
support his sons' torture/murder/rape habits- and the Olympic training
palace?

I never said anything about exceptions. Not sure what you mean by that.
Any evidence of the torture/murder/rape habits? Real evidence, not just
accusations.

Before the sanctions, it was one of the best in the area.

And now it's being measured against what?
It's *still* 'one of the best in the area'.

Chas

User: "Chas"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 09:52:47 AM

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

You mean the humanitarian exceptions that Saddam used to bribe the UN and
support his sons' torture/murder/rape habits- and the Olympic training
palace?

I never said anything about exceptions. Not sure what you mean by that.
Any evidence of the torture/murder/rape habits? Real evidence, not just
accusations.

I'm always amused at people like you.
Torture is a transient event- the 'hard evidence' may be a pair of pliers,
some binding wire and a straight chair, ya know?
The 'evidence' is that of eye-witnesses, subjects, operators- not finding
sets of pliers in a box marked "Torture Tools".
Chas
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User: "Cleopatra"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 08:01:00 PM

"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message news:<9bWdnayFxb-1QCzcRVn-uw@rogers.com>...

Chas wrote:

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

It was pretty bad because of the sanctions.

You mean the humanitarian exceptions that Saddam used to bribe the UN and
support his sons' torture/murder/rape habits- and the Olympic training
palace?

I never said anything about exceptions. Not sure what you mean by that.
Any evidence of the torture/murder/rape habits? Real evidence, not just
accusations.

Man, ya just gotta love these liberals, eh? I mean, when it comes to
our deadly enemies, when it comes to one of the most brutal, vicious
murdering son-of-a-bitches ever to walk this planet, this crowd
demands a level of proof even God couldn't provide if He parted the
heavens and pronounced the man guilty.
But Bush - ah, that's another kettle of fish is it not? Just some
slimy, treaonous ***** making a piece of ***** film about the guy and
that does it for this crowd. GUILTY AS CHARGED! HANG THE *****!
And WMDs? *****, unless the Bush administration can produce fifty
active atomic reactors, ninety-thousand nuclear-tipped ballistic
misslies at the ready in sophisticated bunkers and twenty square miles
of stockpiled Sarin gas and Bubonic Plague he ain't got *****!
But Hussein? Hey, pure as the driven snow unless we have the guy on
videotape from the day he was born to the day we captured his
murderous *****.
Cleopatra
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User: "Rob Coulter"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 08:14:21 PM

"Cleopatra" <Deck_The_Halls@linkedto.nosnoop.com> wrote in message
news:3380b957.0412041801.5cc23104@posting.google.com...

"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote in message

news:<9bWdnayFxb-1QCzcRVn-uw@rogers.com>...

Chas wrote:

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

It was pretty bad because of the sanctions.

You mean the humanitarian exceptions that Saddam used to bribe the UN and
support his sons' torture/murder/rape habits- and the Olympic training
palace?

I never said anything about exceptions. Not sure what you mean by that.
Any evidence of the torture/murder/rape habits? Real evidence, not just
accusations.

It's not a "Liberal" thing Cleo. If this was WW2, the USA in attacking Iraq
would have been attacking South Africa in 1942.
It's not a case of being wrong, it's a case of being misguided.
Blow off US$ 1 Billion / day in Iraq, spend shitloads on an unlikely missile
annulment system that will prevent an attack from Elbonia!
The terrorists don't think that way! The American public does because of
Dubya.
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User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 08:22:30 PM

(Cleopatra) wrote in
news:3380b957.0412041801.5cc23104@posting.google.com:

And WMDs? *****, unless the Bush administration can produce fifty
active atomic reactors, ninety-thousand nuclear-tipped ballistic
misslies at the ready in sophisticated bunkers and twenty square miles
of stockpiled Sarin gas and Bubonic Plague he ain't got *****!

how about having his administration produce one of those they claimed they
knew exactly where they were before he used them as an excuse to illegally
invade iraq?
don't worry. neocons are far too dumb to remember that or even be troubled
even if they do remember.
you can get back to the jerry springer show now.
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User: "Resident Samuel"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 12:12:07 PM

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:52:08 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:
Cripes what a STUPID SACK OF LYING ***** YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!

I never said anything about exceptions. Not sure what you mean by that.
Any evidence of the torture/murder/rape habits? Real evidence, not just
accusations.

Are you some kind of fucking MORON??????
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index&start=211
18/10/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further Information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible
return/?disappearance? (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/013/2000
07/09/2000 Iraq: Further information on Incommunicado detention/fear
of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return and
"disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/012/2000
31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000
31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000
16/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/010/2000
15/08/2000 USA : Further information on fear of indiscriminate mass
killing of civilians in Iraq (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/130/2000
25/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/009/2000
20/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan:Incommunicado detention/fear of
torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/008/2000
26/04/2000 Iraq: Follow up to fear of ill-treatment/Prisoners of
Conscience/Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/005/2000
07/03/2000 Iraq/Kurdistan: Fear of ill-treatment / Prisoners of
Conscience / Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/003/2000
24/11/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International exposes recent abuses (NEWS)
MDE 14/013/1999
24/11/1999 Iraq: Victims of systematic repression (REPORTS)
MDE 14/010/1999
17/08/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International's position concerning possible
legal proceedings against a high ranking Iraqi official in Austria
(NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1999
28/07/1999 Iraq: UN Security Council considers the Humanitarian
Panel's report on sanctions (NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1999
16/06/1999 Annual report updates (REPORTS)
POL 10/005/1999
23/02/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International condemns the killing of
Ayatollah Mohammas Sadeq al-Sadr and urges independent investigation
(NEWS)
MDE 14/001/1999
17/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International says governments must protect
civilian life (NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1998
16/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International appeals to the US and UK
governments over fear of indiscriminate killings of civilians in Iraq
(NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1998
13/11/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International demands that protection of
civilians be paramount (NEWS)
MDE 14/004/1998
01/11/1998 AI Week: Discrimination: an attack on all our rights:
Appeal leaflets (REPORTS)
ACT 31/002/1998
01/06/1998 Death Penalty News June 1998 (REPORTS)
ACT 53/003/1998
01/05/1998 ICC: International justice now! Time for an effective
International Criminal Court (REPORTS)
IOR 40/015/1998
29/04/1998 Iraq: Expulsion of Kurdish families must stop (NEWS)
MDE 14/002/1998
16/04/1998 State injustice: Unfair trials in the Middle East and North
Africa (REPORTS)
MDE 01/002/1998
01/03/1998 State Injustice: Unfair trials in the Middle East & North
Africa: Appeal Cases (REPORTS)
MDE 01/003/1998
01/01/1998 Juveniles and the death penalty - executions worldwide
since 1985 (REPORTS)
ACT 50/002/1998
08/10/1997 Iraq: Human Rights Committee Briefing (REPORTS)
MDE 14/008/1997
01/10/1997 Iraq: "Disappearances": Unresolved cases since the early
1980s (REPORTS)
MDE 14/005/1997
08/09/1997 Turkey: Refoulement of non-European refugees: a protection
crisis (REPORTS)
EUR 44/031/1997
03/09/1997 Middle East: Fear, flight and forcible exile in the Middle
East (REPORTS)
MDE 01/001/1997
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/02/sprj.irq.iraq.torture/
ABU AL KHASIB, Iraq (CNN) -- A torture chamber equipped with hooks
hanging from ceilings and an on-site electrocution room has been found
in the basement of an Iraqi police station, an embedded reporter with
the BBC reports.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101689,00.html
WASHINGTON � A grisly videotape showing acts of torture carried out by
Iraqi Republican Guard and Saddam Fedayeen militiamen has been
declassified and obtained by Fox News.
.

User: "Resident Samuel"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 12:10:13 PM

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!
That's what Amnesty International says!
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index&start=211
18/10/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further Information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible
return/?disappearance? (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/013/2000
07/09/2000 Iraq: Further information on Incommunicado detention/fear
of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return and
"disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/012/2000
31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000
31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000
16/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/010/2000
15/08/2000 USA : Further information on fear of indiscriminate mass
killing of civilians in Iraq (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/130/2000
25/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/009/2000
20/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan:Incommunicado detention/fear of
torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/008/2000
26/04/2000 Iraq: Follow up to fear of ill-treatment/Prisoners of
Conscience/Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/005/2000
07/03/2000 Iraq/Kurdistan: Fear of ill-treatment / Prisoners of
Conscience / Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/003/2000
24/11/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International exposes recent abuses (NEWS)
MDE 14/013/1999
24/11/1999 Iraq: Victims of systematic repression (REPORTS)
MDE 14/010/1999
17/08/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International's position concerning possible
legal proceedings against a high ranking Iraqi official in Austria
(NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1999
28/07/1999 Iraq: UN Security Council considers the Humanitarian
Panel's report on sanctions (NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1999
16/06/1999 Annual report updates (REPORTS)
POL 10/005/1999
23/02/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International condemns the killing of
Ayatollah Mohammas Sadeq al-Sadr and urges independent investigation
(NEWS)
MDE 14/001/1999
17/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International says governments must protect
civilian life (NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1998
16/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International appeals to the US and UK
governments over fear of indiscriminate killings of civilians in Iraq
(NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1998
13/11/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International demands that protection of
civilians be paramount (NEWS)
MDE 14/004/1998
01/11/1998 AI Week: Discrimination: an attack on all our rights:
Appeal leaflets (REPORTS)
ACT 31/002/1998
01/06/1998 Death Penalty News June 1998 (REPORTS)
ACT 53/003/1998
01/05/1998 ICC: International justice now! Time for an effective
International Criminal Court (REPORTS)
IOR 40/015/1998
29/04/1998 Iraq: Expulsion of Kurdish families must stop (NEWS)
MDE 14/002/1998
16/04/1998 State injustice: Unfair trials in the Middle East and North
Africa (REPORTS)
MDE 01/002/1998
01/03/1998 State Injustice: Unfair trials in the Middle East & North
Africa: Appeal Cases (REPORTS)
MDE 01/003/1998
01/01/1998 Juveniles and the death penalty - executions worldwide
since 1985 (REPORTS)
ACT 50/002/1998
08/10/1997 Iraq: Human Rights Committee Briefing (REPORTS)
MDE 14/008/1997
01/10/1997 Iraq: "Disappearances": Unresolved cases since the early
1980s (REPORTS)
MDE 14/005/1997
08/09/1997 Turkey: Refoulement of non-European refugees: a protection
crisis (REPORTS)
EUR 44/031/1997
03/09/1997 Middle East: Fear, flight and forcible exile in the Middle
East (REPORTS)
MDE 01/001/1997
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 12:17:15 PM

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

And how would they get that information, *****?

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index&start=211

18/10/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further Information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible
return/?disappearance? (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/013/2000
07/09/2000 Iraq: Further information on Incommunicado detention/fear
of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return and
"disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/012/2000
31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000
31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000
16/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/010/2000
15/08/2000 USA : Further information on fear of indiscriminate mass
killing of civilians in Iraq (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/130/2000
25/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/009/2000
20/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan:Incommunicado detention/fear of
torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/008/2000
26/04/2000 Iraq: Follow up to fear of ill-treatment/Prisoners of
Conscience/Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/005/2000
07/03/2000 Iraq/Kurdistan: Fear of ill-treatment / Prisoners of
Conscience / Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/003/2000
24/11/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International exposes recent abuses (NEWS)
MDE 14/013/1999
24/11/1999 Iraq: Victims of systematic repression (REPORTS)
MDE 14/010/1999
17/08/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International's position concerning possible
legal proceedings against a high ranking Iraqi official in Austria
(NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1999
28/07/1999 Iraq: UN Security Council considers the Humanitarian
Panel's report on sanctions (NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1999
16/06/1999 Annual report updates (REPORTS)
POL 10/005/1999
23/02/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International condemns the killing of
Ayatollah Mohammas Sadeq al-Sadr and urges independent investigation
(NEWS)
MDE 14/001/1999
17/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International says governments must protect
civilian life (NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1998
16/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International appeals to the US and UK
governments over fear of indiscriminate killings of civilians in Iraq
(NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1998
13/11/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International demands that protection of
civilians be paramount (NEWS)
MDE 14/004/1998
01/11/1998 AI Week: Discrimination: an attack on all our rights:
Appeal leaflets (REPORTS)
ACT 31/002/1998
01/06/1998 Death Penalty News June 1998 (REPORTS)
ACT 53/003/1998
01/05/1998 ICC: International justice now! Time for an effective
International Criminal Court (REPORTS)
IOR 40/015/1998
29/04/1998 Iraq: Expulsion of Kurdish families must stop (NEWS)
MDE 14/002/1998
16/04/1998 State injustice: Unfair trials in the Middle East and North
Africa (REPORTS)
MDE 01/002/1998
01/03/1998 State Injustice: Unfair trials in the Middle East & North
Africa: Appeal Cases (REPORTS)
MDE 01/003/1998
01/01/1998 Juveniles and the death penalty - executions worldwide
since 1985 (REPORTS)
ACT 50/002/1998
08/10/1997 Iraq: Human Rights Committee Briefing (REPORTS)
MDE 14/008/1997
01/10/1997 Iraq: "Disappearances": Unresolved cases since the early
1980s (REPORTS)
MDE 14/005/1997
08/09/1997 Turkey: Refoulement of non-European refugees: a protection
crisis (REPORTS)
EUR 44/031/1997
03/09/1997 Middle East: Fear, flight and forcible exile in the Middle
East (REPORTS)
MDE 01/001/1997

User: "Resident Samuel"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 01:25:12 PM

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:17:15 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

And how would they get that information, *****?

Well now, they might get it from international observers, or from
those who were tortured, or from family members, etc.
DUH!
Read some - fucking EDUCATE your worthless self!

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 12:45:49 PM

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

Can you please show me where they say three million. I always thought
they said three hundred thousand.
Thanks.

User: "Resident Samuel"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 01:30:50 PM

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:45:49 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

Can you please show me where they say three million.

Who fucking cares which number they cite.
Everyone has their own estimates.
The reaiity is that over almost 30 years Sod-em likely did away with
close to a million of his countrymen!
http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/09/content_288443.htm
Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad
residents, a number significantly higher than previously believed,
according to a survey obtained Monday by The Associated Press.
The bloodiest massacres of Saddam's 23-year presidency occurred in
Iraq's Kurdish north and Shiite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad
Survey data indicates the brutality extended strongly into the capital
as well.
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.htm
Full name Saddam Hussein al-Majid al Tikriti. AKA 'Great Uncle', AKA
'Lion of Babylon', AKA 'Lion of Iraq', AKA 'Beast of Baghdad'. Saddam
translates to 'One Who Confronts'.
Country: Iraq.
Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and
340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during
the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed
following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the
number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying
from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed
or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi
dissidents and Shi'ite Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though
estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 100,000. (Mass graves
discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that
the total combined figure for Kurds, Shi'ites and dissidents killed
could be as high as 300,000).
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/news/20030404-1.html
Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of
terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many
as 100,000 Kurds. o The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include
mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish
villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja
which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages
were destroyed during the campaign of terror.
Iraq's 13 million Shi'a Muslims, the majority of Iraq's population of
approximately 22 million, face severe restrictions on their religious
practice, including a ban on communal Friday prayer, and restriction
on funeral processions.
According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the
London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that
Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were
killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the
south." Refugees International reports that the "Oppressive government
policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis,
primarily Kurds who have fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein's
Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their
Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the
government's campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural
use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continue to live as refugees in Iran."

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 12:52:10 PM

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1906490
"...Over the past 20 years, Amnesty International has collected
information on around 17,000 disappearances in Iraq, but says the actual
figure may be much higher...."

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 12:55:49 PM

wrote:

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "

"
<

> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

Here's that number again. 300,000. *****.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4052767.stm
"...An estimated 300,000 people disappeared during the former dictator's
rule...."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1906490

"...Over the past 20 years, Amnesty International has collected
information on around 17,000 disappearances in Iraq, but says the actual
figure may be much higher...."

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index&start=211

18/10/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further Information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible
return/?disappearance? (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/013/2000 07/09/2000 Iraq: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear
of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return and
"disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/012/2000 31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000 31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000 16/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/010/2000 15/08/2000 USA : Further information on fear of
indiscriminate mass
killing of civilians in Iraq (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/130/2000 25/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/009/2000 20/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan:Incommunicado
detention/fear of
torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/008/2000 26/04/2000 Iraq: Follow up to fear of
ill-treatment/Prisoners of
Conscience/Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/005/2000 07/03/2000 Iraq/Kurdistan: Fear of ill-treatment /
Prisoners of
Conscience / Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/003/2000 24/11/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International exposes recent
abuses (NEWS)
MDE 14/013/1999 24/11/1999 Iraq: Victims of systematic repression
(REPORTS)
MDE 14/010/1999 17/08/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International's position
concerning possible
legal proceedings against a high ranking Iraqi official in Austria
(NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1999 28/07/1999 Iraq: UN Security Council considers the
Humanitarian
Panel's report on sanctions (NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1999 16/06/1999 Annual report updates (REPORTS)
POL 10/005/1999 23/02/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International condemns the
killing of
Ayatollah Mohammas Sadeq al-Sadr and urges independent investigation
(NEWS)
MDE 14/001/1999 17/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International says
governments must protect
civilian life (NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1998 16/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International appeals to the
US and UK
governments over fear of indiscriminate killings of civilians in Iraq
(NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1998 13/11/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International demands that
protection of
civilians be paramount (NEWS)
MDE 14/004/1998 01/11/1998 AI Week: Discrimination: an attack on all
our rights:
Appeal leaflets (REPORTS)
ACT 31/002/1998 01/06/1998 Death Penalty News June 1998 (REPORTS)
ACT 53/003/1998 01/05/1998 ICC: International justice now! Time for an
effective
International Criminal Court (REPORTS)
IOR 40/015/1998 29/04/1998 Iraq: Expulsion of Kurdish families must
stop (NEWS)
MDE 14/002/1998 16/04/1998 State injustice: Unfair trials in the
Middle East and North
Africa (REPORTS)
MDE 01/002/1998 01/03/1998 State Injustice: Unfair trials in the
Middle East & North
Africa: Appeal Cases (REPORTS)
MDE 01/003/1998 01/01/1998 Juveniles and the death penalty -
executions worldwide
since 1985 (REPORTS)
ACT 50/002/1998 08/10/1997 Iraq: Human Rights Committee Briefing
(REPORTS)
MDE 14/008/1997 01/10/1997 Iraq: "Disappearances": Unresolved cases
since the early
1980s (REPORTS)
MDE 14/005/1997 08/09/1997 Turkey: Refoulement of non-European
refugees: a protection
crisis (REPORTS)
EUR 44/031/1997 03/09/1997 Middle East: Fear, flight and forcible
exile in the Middle
East (REPORTS)
MDE 01/001/1997

User: "Chas"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 10:09:05 AM

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

Here's that number again. 300,000. *****.

And you think that's some sort of mitigation for Saddam's crimes?
How many people killed at his instigation?
Only 300,000?
Only?
Chas
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 12:14:15 PM

Chas <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:

<tim@nocomment.com> wrote

Here's that number again. 300,000. *****.

And you think that's some sort of mitigation for Saddam's crimes?
How many people killed at his instigation?
Only 300,000?
Only?

How many people killed at Bush's instigation?
100,000?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Chas"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 04:06:26 PM

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote

Only 300,000?
Only?

How many people killed at Bush's instigation?
100,000?

None.
Saddam had the choice to stop this war at any time he cared to- right up
until the actual invasion and beyond.
It's on him, bud.
Chas
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 06:06:55 PM

Chas <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote

Only 300,000?
Only?

How many people killed at Bush's instigation?
100,000?

None.

The neocon retreats behind lies, unable to deal with the truth.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 06:52:13 PM

Chas wrote:

"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote

Only 300,000?
Only?

How many people killed at Bush's instigation?
100,000?

None.
Saddam had the choice to stop this war at any time he cared to- right up
until the actual invasion and beyond.
It's on him, bud.

That's what Hitler probably said.

Chas

User: "Resident Samuel"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 01:39:14 PM

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:55:49 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

tim@nocomment.com wrote:

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

Here's that number again. 300,000. *****.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4052767.stm

"...An estimated 300,000 people disappeared during the former dictator's
rule...."

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=156407
Even more incomprehensible is the total number of Iraqis killed by
Baghdad since the founding of the Iraqi state, which is estimated to
be approximately 2 million.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1906490

"...Over the past 20 years, Amnesty International has collected
information on around 17,000 disappearances in Iraq, but says the actual
figure may be much higher...."

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index&start=211

18/10/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further Information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible
return/?disappearance? (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/013/2000 07/09/2000 Iraq: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear
of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return and
"disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/012/2000 31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000 31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000 16/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/010/2000 15/08/2000 USA : Further information on fear of
indiscriminate mass
killing of civilians in Iraq (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/130/2000 25/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/009/2000 20/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan:Incommunicado
detention/fear of
torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/008/2000 26/04/2000 Iraq: Follow up to fear of
ill-treatment/Prisoners of
Conscience/Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/005/2000 07/03/2000 Iraq/Kurdistan: Fear of ill-treatment /
Prisoners of
Conscience / Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/003/2000 24/11/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International exposes recent
abuses (NEWS)
MDE 14/013/1999 24/11/1999 Iraq: Victims of systematic repression
(REPORTS)
MDE 14/010/1999 17/08/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International's position
concerning possible
legal proceedings against a high ranking Iraqi official in Austria
(NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1999 28/07/1999 Iraq: UN Security Council considers the
Humanitarian
Panel's report on sanctions (NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1999 16/06/1999 Annual report updates (REPORTS)
POL 10/005/1999 23/02/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International condemns the
killing of
Ayatollah Mohammas Sadeq al-Sadr and urges independent investigation
(NEWS)
MDE 14/001/1999 17/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International says
governments must protect
civilian life (NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1998 16/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International appeals to the
US and UK
governments over fear of indiscriminate killings of civilians in Iraq
(NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1998 13/11/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International demands that
protection of
civilians be paramount (NEWS)
MDE 14/004/1998 01/11/1998 AI Week: Discrimination: an attack on all
our rights:
Appeal leaflets (REPORTS)
ACT 31/002/1998 01/06/1998 Death Penalty News June 1998 (REPORTS)
ACT 53/003/1998 01/05/1998 ICC: International justice now! Time for an
effective
International Criminal Court (REPORTS)
IOR 40/015/1998 29/04/1998 Iraq: Expulsion of Kurdish families must
stop (NEWS)
MDE 14/002/1998 16/04/1998 State injustice: Unfair trials in the
Middle East and North
Africa (REPORTS)
MDE 01/002/1998 01/03/1998 State Injustice: Unfair trials in the
Middle East & North
Africa: Appeal Cases (REPORTS)
MDE 01/003/1998 01/01/1998 Juveniles and the death penalty -
executions worldwide
since 1985 (REPORTS)
ACT 50/002/1998 08/10/1997 Iraq: Human Rights Committee Briefing
(REPORTS)
MDE 14/008/1997 01/10/1997 Iraq: "Disappearances": Unresolved cases
since the early
1980s (REPORTS)
MDE 14/005/1997 08/09/1997 Turkey: Refoulement of non-European
refugees: a protection
crisis (REPORTS)
EUR 44/031/1997 03/09/1997 Middle East: Fear, flight and forcible
exile in the Middle
East (REPORTS)
MDE 01/001/1997

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 01:50:35 PM

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:55:49 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

tim@nocomment.com wrote:

Resident Samuel wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:28:45 -0500, "tim@nocomment.com"
<tim@nocomment.com> wrote:

and otherwise dismembered about

three million people and buried them in mass graves all over Iraq.

That's what the exiles say.

No you fucking *****!

That's what Amnesty International says!

Here's that number again. 300,000. *****.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/4052767.stm

"...An estimated 300,000 people disappeared during the former dictator's
rule...."

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=156407

Even more incomprehensible is the total number of Iraqis killed by
Baghdad since the founding of the Iraqi state, which is estimated to
be approximately 2 million.

Where do you get those numbers? The founding of the Iraqi state took
place long before Saddam took office and therefore is not related to
this discussion.
Sorry, Bub.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/iraq/1906490

"...Over the past 20 years, Amnesty International has collected
information on around 17,000 disappearances in Iraq, but says the actual
figure may be much higher...."

http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-irq/index&start=211

18/10/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further Information on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible
return/?disappearance? (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/013/2000 07/09/2000 Iraq: Further information on Incommunicado
detention/fear
of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return and
"disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/012/2000 31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000 31/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/011/2000 16/08/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/010/2000 15/08/2000 USA : Further information on fear of
indiscriminate mass
killing of civilians in Iraq (URGENT ACTIONS)
AMR 51/130/2000 25/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan: Further information
on Incommunicado
detention/fear of torture/forcible expulsion/.fear of forcible return
and new concern: "disappearance" (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/009/2000 20/07/2000 Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan:Incommunicado
detention/fear of
torture/forcible expulsion/fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/008/2000 26/04/2000 Iraq: Follow up to fear of
ill-treatment/Prisoners of
Conscience/Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/005/2000 07/03/2000 Iraq/Kurdistan: Fear of ill-treatment /
Prisoners of
Conscience / Fear of forcible return (URGENT ACTIONS)
MDE 14/003/2000 24/11/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International exposes recent
abuses (NEWS)
MDE 14/013/1999 24/11/1999 Iraq: Victims of systematic repression
(REPORTS)
MDE 14/010/1999 17/08/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International's position
concerning possible
legal proceedings against a high ranking Iraqi official in Austria
(NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1999 28/07/1999 Iraq: UN Security Council considers the
Humanitarian
Panel's report on sanctions (NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1999 16/06/1999 Annual report updates (REPORTS)
POL 10/005/1999 23/02/1999 Iraq: Amnesty International condemns the
killing of
Ayatollah Mohammas Sadeq al-Sadr and urges independent investigation
(NEWS)
MDE 14/001/1999 17/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International says
governments must protect
civilian life (NEWS)
MDE 14/007/1998 16/12/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International appeals to the
US and UK
governments over fear of indiscriminate killings of civilians in Iraq
(NEWS)
MDE 14/006/1998 13/11/1998 Iraq: Amnesty International demands that
protection of
civilians be paramount (NEWS)
MDE 14/004/1998 01/11/1998 AI Week: Discrimination: an attack on all
our rights:
Appeal leaflets (REPORTS)
ACT 31/002/1998 01/06/1998 Death Penalty News June 1998 (REPORTS)
ACT 53/003/1998 01/05/1998 ICC: International justice now! Time for an
effective
International Criminal Court (REPORTS)
IOR 40/015/1998 29/04/1998 Iraq: Expulsion of Kurdish families must
stop (NEWS)
MDE 14/002/1998 16/04/1998 State injustice: Unfair trials in the
Middle East and North
Africa (REPORTS)
MDE 01/002/1998 01/03/1998 State Injustice: Unfair trials in the
Middle East & North
Africa: Appeal Cases (REPORTS)
MDE 01/003/1998 01/01/1998 Juveniles and the death penalty -
executions worldwide
since 1985 (REPORTS)
ACT 50/002/1998 08/10/1997 Iraq: Human Rights Committee Briefing
(REPORTS)
MDE 14/008/1997 01/10/1997 Iraq: "Disappearances": Unresolved cases
since the early
1980s (REPORTS)
MDE 14/005/1997 08/09/1997 Turkey: Refoulement of non-European
refugees: a protection
crisis (REPORTS)
EUR 44/031/1997 03/09/1997 Middle East: Fear, flight and forcible
exile in the Middle
East (REPORTS)
MDE 01/001/1997

User: "Kingfish"
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	04 Dec 2004 02:56:01 PM

"...An estimated 300,000 people disappeared during the former dictator's
rule...."

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=156407

Even more incomprehensible is the total number of Iraqis killed by
Baghdad since the founding of the Iraqi state, which is estimated to
be approximately 2 million.

Where do you get those numbers? The founding of the Iraqi state took place
long before Saddam took office and therefore is not related to this
discussion.
Sorry, Bub.

so 300K people or 17K people raped and murdered and tortured is ok, but not
3 million?
You moronic leftist Bush haters are just that - and you refuse to see that
despite the fact that there have been problems with our mission in Iraq
(imagine that, in a war) that we are there for the right reasons. To achieve
a democracy and human rights in a place where the privileged elite are now
sponsoring terrorism because they are no longer privileged takes time, work,
money and lives. There is no free peace. No human rights have ever been
won without people willing to fight for others. Peace and freedom are not
free.
So let's say it was only 300,000 - would it be worth it to have left Hussein
in power and have it only be another 300K lives in the next decade or two?
We WILL be in Iraq 25 years from now. We will maintain bases there... much
like we have in Germany and Japan. Cuba too, and you can bet Cuba will be
light-years from where it is now when Castro finally croaks - and we are
positioned to make sure the transition of power there goes well - AND - we
don't need to worry about someone like Castro building up a missile program
because we stopped it at the right time.
AND - what this is REALLY about is OUR safety. We need to control an area
where terrorists who have harmed us are been being bred and mindwashed and
trained.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'	05 Dec 2004 10:42:25 AM

Kingfish wrote:

"...An estimated 300,000 people disappeared during the former dictator's
rule...."

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=156407

Even more incomprehensible is the total number of Iraqis killed by
Baghdad since the founding of the Iraqi state, which is estimated to
be approximately 2 million.

Where do you get those numbers? The founding of the Iraqi state took place
long before Saddam took office and therefore is not related to this
discussion.
Sorry, Bub.

so 300K people or 17K people raped and murdered and tortured is ok, but not
3 million?

I'm saying the numbers stated are false. Maybe Saddam killed just
insurgents, just like George is. And George raped and tortured too.
So that would put them on par.

You moronic leftist Bush haters are just that - and you refuse to see that
despite the fact that there have been problems with our mission in Iraq
(imagine that, in a war) that we are there for the right reasons. To achieve
a democracy and human rights in a place where the privileged elite are now
sponsoring terrorism because they are no longer privileged takes time, work,
money and lives. There is no free peace. No human rights have ever been
won without people willing to fight for others. Peace and freedom are not
free.

So let's say it was only 300,000 - would it be worth it to have left Hussein
in power and have it only be another 300K lives in the next decade or two?
We WILL be in Iraq 25 years from now. We will maintain bases there... much
like we have in Germany and Japan. Cuba too, and you can bet Cuba will be
light-years from where it is now when Castro finally croaks - and we are
positioned to make sure the transition of power there goes well - AND - we
don't need to worry about someone like Castro building up a missile program
because we stopped it at the right time.

AND - what this is REALLY about is OUR safety. We need to control an area
where terrorists who have harmed us are been being bred and mindwashed and
trained.