IRAQIS -- After the HADITHA MASSACRE... what MORE reason do you need to tell the USA to LEAVE?!?

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User:	"Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Date:	28 May 2006 05:14:16 PM
Object:	IRAQIS -- After the HADITHA MASSACRE... what MORE reason do you need to tell the USA to LEAVE?!?

KUDOS to ABC News, and all the other media who are
bowing the lid right off of the HADITHA MASSACRE cover-up!
IRAQ --*This* is the straw that breaks the camel's back!
NOW is the time for you to boot the Occupation Forces
OUT of your country. Wake up!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: IRAQIS -- Don'tbe Mollified by Bush's SPIN tactics regarding the HADITHA MASSACRE. Kick U.S. OUT... NOW!!	03 Jun 2006 04:26:47 AM

IRAQ! -- The WARMONGER who illegally and LYINGLY has
been responsible for the MURDER of up to 100,000 or more
innocent Iraqis... the total disruption of your nation... and
the destruction of much of your infrastructure -- NOW has
the blood of the HADITHA MASSACRE on his filthy hands.
MOST Americans realize that the whole farce from beginning
to end has been a HUGE mistake. (Too bad for you that the
majority of us didn't see through our DOLTISH loser of a
"president" BEFORE we murdered so many of you at his
sick and mindless whim.
As bad as Saddam was, YOU know that you were BETTER
off with him than you are now.
We've unjustifiably INVADED your sovereign country...
We've MURDERED tens of thousands of your people...
We've WRECKED your infrastructure...
We've RUINED your nation...
....and we never should have been there in the FIRST place!
IF only Bush's father, when he was President, had not been
such an insufferable EGOTIST, none of this would have happened.
In Gulf War I, we had some justification, because Saddam
had invaded Kuwait -- another sovereign nation. We HAD the
chance to nail Saddam, himself -- THEN. The generals think that
if only we'd pursued him for a few more hours, we'd have had
him. And Gulf War II -- the one that has wrecked your nation --
would never have happened.
But Bush Sr. -- the mindless EGOTIST -- just had to have a
"100-Hour War" to his credit! So he stopped it just before the
war TRULY would have been one. (In his own way Bush, Sr.
was a **dolt** too! Like father, like son! IF ONLY G.W. Bush
had NOT, with the help of lots of dishonest *cronies*, STOLEN
the White House in 2000. And possibly again in 2004!!)
The time has come!
It's time for you to DEMAND **all** of the Occupation Forces
to LEAVE Iraq. Immediately!!
IGNORE any and all attempts by America to mollify you.
If you FALL for those tactics, then the world can rightfully
regard you to be as screwed up as most of the American people
were when they went along with our Chief LIAR just before this
illegal "war" started.
It's up to YOU to **kick US out!!**
NOW.
RIGHT now!!!
IMMEDIATELY!!
Or continue to get SCREWED, nationally, by a WARMONGERING
nation... the USA, with the help of other corrupt administrations,
like Britain.
Tony Blair is Bush's LAPDOG. He's no better. And most of
the British PEOPLE knew from the START that their involvement
in this was a mistake. They were a WHOLE lot smarter than
Americans, at that crucial time, were! (Not that murderous
Bush would have listened to us then, no matter HOW much of
us had opposed him.
70%+ of Americans NOW (finally!) know it was a mistake.
THIS is the time to kick America OUT of Iraq!
GO for it!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	06 Jun 2006 04:53:45 PM

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?
They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.
During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.
If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.
They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.
Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.
I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.
They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "NRen2k5"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	09 Jun 2006 01:11:08 AM

Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!! wrote:

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

It's nowhere near as practical to do that with fighter jets as it is to
do so with B-52's.
- NRen2k5
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User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	09 Jun 2006 08:54:17 AM

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:11:08 -0400,
NRen2k5 <nomore@email.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton Xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

It's nowhere near as practical to do that with fighter jets
as it is to do so with B-52's.

IF they had enough (or any) B-52s with the very latest in
countermeasures, perhaps. Meanwhile, with fighters, they
could cut in afterburners, go supersonic, and get to their
targets VERY quickly, and in many cases, unstoppably.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	06 Jun 2006 06:55:44 PM

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:53:45 GMT,
Joseph wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

***Nice try, but no cigar.

Do you have any conception of the type of infrastructure it
takes to keep a jet fighter/bomber in the air over an extended
period of time? That's even allowing for the possibility that Iran
had that type of reliable military hardware and support infra-
structure, which they most assuredly do not.

Sorry, but I enjoy exploring interesting scenarios. And getting
feedback to see how viable they are... even if they try to knock
it down. And -- even if they do so effectively. Running it up a
flagpole to see if it waves, so to speak.
Way I see it, Iran is a VERY oil-rich country. And it has VERY
sophisticated and hardened/buried nuclear facilities hard at work
in diverse location all over the country. I regard that to be quite
*significant* infrastructure in that regard -- with, as I said, the
kind of money it takes to sustain it.
So -- would it really be THAT much more of a trick for Iran to
implement the scenario I just described. Given all of THAT money
and capability?

Iran does hold a "trump card" however. Namely military
dominance over the Strait of Hormuz. Given an unprovoked
attack on their nation they could quickly stop the free transit
of fully 25% of the world's oil supply, which passes through
that choke point on an ongoing daily basis, 24 hours a day.

Good point. And cutting off 25% of the world's oil would make
a DRAMATIC impact on the aggressor nations.

That's the real target of Bush administration's planned air strikes
against Iran. A military takeover of Iranian territory that dominates
the Straight of Hormuz, in joint cooperation with the Israelis.

Which, I'm sure, Iran has considered, and probably is planning
to counter.

U.S. objections over the potential for Iranian development of
nuclear weapons (WMD) is just window dressing used as a premise
for attack, just as it was prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I'm afraid of exactly that. Our Warmonger-in-Thief *specializes*
in bloodthirstiness and deceptions.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

User: "Scotius"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	13 Jun 2006 01:09:35 AM

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:53:45 GMT, Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT
of Iraq -- NOW!!! <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

If the US and Iran were to engage militarily, the last thing
Iran would want to do would be to enrage the rest of the Muslim Middle
East against it, which is just what they'd be doing if they attacked
Saudi Arabia. That would be seen as terrorism against Arabs.
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	14 Jun 2006 12:33:34 PM

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:09:35 -0400,
Scotius <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

If the US and Iran were to engage militarily, the last thing
Iran would want to do would be to enrage the rest of the Muslim
Middle East against it, which is just what they'd be doing if they
attacked Saudi Arabia. That would be seen as terrorism against
Arabs.

HOW good a friend to the other Arabs i8s a nation that
allowed U.S. troops to base themselves within their borders
from which to launch strikes against Iraq. Saudi DID that in
1991, before and during the *first* Gulf War.
Iran could use that as a very reasonable defense for
destroying Saudi's oil facilities, since Saudi ALREADY had
ratted on the Arab world by siding *with* those who *this*
time would be attacking Iran... the USA.
Iran could simply point out that the Saudis are AINO:
Arabs in Name Only. And in the process perhaps even get
the rest of the Arab world (except, probably, for Jordan) to
sympathize with it (Iran.)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	07 Jun 2006 01:23:10 AM

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:11:45 -0700,
Joseph wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

Joseph wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

I wonder if IRAN knows that it ALREADY holds the trump
card against a buttinskyish world that trying to bully it with
regard to what it can develop within their own borders?

They DO... assuming that they still have lots of fighter
planes... pilots capable of flying them well... and at least
a few of those willing to take on that which could turn into a
suicide mission.

During the Cold War years, the USA always had many B-52
bombers in the air, where they couldn't be hit if war broke out.

If Iran did the SAME with several of its fighter jets, they
could checkmate any possible pre-emptive strikes upon their
sovereign nation right from the get-go.

They just need to keep several of those planes in the air at
all times flying random patterns within EASY striking range of
Saudi Arabia... from several directions at once.

Then if an attack upon Iran *were* to begin, they could
fly into Saudi Arabia upon receiving a codeword -- instantly! --
and bomb or crash into ALL of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries
and facilities. That would be instead payback IN SPADES to
a busybodyish world.

I'm betting that they've already considered this -- after
seeing what Israel did to IRAQ's nuclear facilities in 1981.

They've had a full QUARTER CENTURY to ensure that NO
such thing can happen to *them*.

Sorry, but I enjoy exploring interesting scenarios. And getting
feedback to see how viable they are... even if they try to knock
it down. And -- even if they do so effectively. Running it up a
flagpole to see if it waves, so to speak.

Way I see it, Iran is a VERY oil-rich country. And it has VERY
sophisticated and hardened/buried nuclear facilities hard at work
in diverse location all over the country. I regard that to be quite
*significant* infrastructure in that regard -- with, as I said, the
kind of money it takes to sustain it.

***So too is Saudi Arabia, 2/3rds of whose oil exports also pass
through the Strait of Hormuz. (They also have alternate Red Sea oil
refinery and export facilities on the opposite side of the Arabian
peninsula, largely handling light crude and it's refined derivatives.)

So -- would it really be THAT much more of a trick for Iran to
implement the scenario I just described. Given all of THAT money
and capability?

***Iran well knows they are currently outflanked in terms of military
technology. Their major strength lays in retaining actual military
control of the Strait of Hormuz. If attacked, I believe they will hold
at all costs, and good for them!

I agree! **IF** Bush should be so PROFOUNDLY stupid as to
attempt another military adventure -- this time with Iran (and from
what we've seen, I'd say the odds favoring that are scarily high! --
then it would be nice to see him get his ***** kicked RIGHTEOUSLY
this time!

Good point. And cutting off 25% of the world's oil would make
a DRAMATIC impact on the aggressor nations.'

***Not to mention an immediate resultant $10 (or even more) price per
gallon for gasoline. That hits EVERYONE'S pocket book immediately and
directly! (The oil corporations truly love this scenario!)

And don't forget about long lines at the gas station waiting for gas.
That is if you can get it.

Maybe Venezuala will interven for the average American.

And we'd have Bush to thank for all of that! (Is it possible for
a President approval ratting to plummet down into the NEGATIVE
numbers...??

Which, I'm sure, Iran has considered, and probably is planning
to counter.

***Oh yes indeed! Why do you think I am posting this information
on the international internet? You damned sure won't get it over a
controlled big brother media here in North America!

Although -- CNN has been doing a better and better job lately. Lou
Dobbs is all over Bush like ants at a picnic, and now Wolf (Aaron?)
Blitzer is jumping onto the bandwagon!

If the truth (posted internationally on the internet) can prevent war,
then let it be so!

I second that!! And third it... on to the infinite power, factorial !

U.S. objections over the potential for Iranian development of
nuclear weapons (WMD) is just window dressing used as a premise
for attack, just as it was prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I'm afraid of exactly that. Our Warmonger-in-Thief *specializes*
in bloodthirstiness and deceptions.

***It has been so from the onset. Don't you realize the Bush
administration has been in bed with the Saudis from the onset?

Yep. Michael Moore NAILED him beautifully on that in "Fahrenheit 9/11."
When he pointed out that Bush had ALL of the bin Laden
family members who then were in America surreptitiously flown OUT
of the USA and BACK home to Saudi -- immediately after the attack.
That was bigger than Watergate. If the media had followed up
properly on that, Bush p0robably would have been impeached and
convicted by now!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "Joseph"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	07 Jun 2006 10:27:49 AM

****Your reactive comments (below) indicate you are not really aware
of what goes on these days in the White House. The same is true of
most Americans.
Don't concentrate so much on Bush Jr. His presidency is a mere front
(and rubber stamp) for the controllers who manipulate him from behind
the scenes. Imagine Bush Jr. as more like the dummy wooden-headed
puppet that he is. Take Pinocchio as a proverbial case in point, with
his nose getting ever longer with each passing lie.
Getting rid of Bush Jr. won't solve any problems. Neither did the
blatant corruption currently extant in Washington D.C. begin with the
current Bush administration, when they managed to rig the 2000 and
2004 presidential elections. Current events have literally taken
decades to develop, going all the way back to the end of World War
Two.
In point of fact Eisenhower warned early on in his presidency about
the dangers inherent to American freedoms stemming from an all
powerful military / industrial complex. Indeed, he would have known
since it was that very faction who sponsored and promoted his own
presidency.
As many an astute Washington observer will tell you, George Bush Jr.
is not the real President! Cheney is! Moreover, Cheney and Rumsfeld
both go way back in key positions through several American
presidencies. Namely the Nixon, Ford, Johnson, Bush Sr., and Reagan
presidencies.
If there is any single architect to all of this long term strategy
(and make no mistake, it is a long term conspiracy) it is "Big Daddy"
Bush, who positioned two of his sons for ascension to the presidential
throne by purchasing a state governorship for each of them. Of course,
all of this could not have come to fruition without the considerable
ongoing financial support of the Saudis.
Let's say they decide to "sacrifice" Bush Jr.. The same scenario
actually came to pass with Nixon. (Nixon would have never agreed to
resign had it not been for a solid guarantee that he would obtain a
presidential pardon from Ford.)
My guess is you will see Cheney resign the Vice Presidency (for health
or other reasons) whereupon Jeb Bush will be appointed to that office
by his brother in preparation for the 2008 presidential elections.
With Carl ("Mad Dog") Rove in charge of the political dirty tricks
department any 2008 presidential election process would be a foregone
conclusion.

***Again, don't concentrate so much on dummy Bush Jr. He does what he
is told to do. This man is so dumb (probably stemming from long term
drug and alcohol abuse) that he could not evaluate himself out of a
wet paper sack in the noon day sun.
And make no mistake, the people who actually control our current
government are not "stupid". They are extremely intelligent, very
talented, and also incredibly evil. Never underestimate the enemy.
In point of fact we already have a de-facto dictatorship in place. If
they decide to make it official by staging another rigged "terrorist"
attack and declaring a national emergency, then nationwide marshall
law will take care of the rest.

And we'd have Bush to thank for all of that! (Is it possible for
a President approval ratting to plummet down into the NEGATIVE
numbers...??

Although -- CNN has been doing a better and better job lately. Lou
Dobbs is all over Bush like ants at a picnic, and now Wolf (Aaron?)
Blitzer is jumping onto the bandwagon!

*** In my book "CNN" stands for "Controlled News Network". Virtually
all of the major media outlets have been purchased by Corporate
America, who currently control the flow of propaganda that passes for
"news" these days.
Don't be fooled by the good cop - bad cop (or reporter) routine. They
all work for the same boss. They want you to get emotional. A public
that reacts emotionally is far easier to control.

If the truth (posted internationally on the internet) can prevent war,
then let it be so!

I second that!! And third it... on to the infinite power, factorial !

U.S. objections over the potential for Iranian development of
nuclear weapons (WMD) is just window dressing used as a premise
for attack, just as it was prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I'm afraid of exactly that. Our Warmonger-in-Thief *specializes*
in bloodthirstiness and deceptions.

***It has been so from the onset. Don't you realize the Bush
administration has been in bed with the Saudis from the onset?

***Try viewing the film "9-11 Revisited". You can do so free of charge
on line, or even purchase it directly for $7.95 from the source. A
small price to pay for a report on what actually happened on 9-11-01.

That was bigger than Watergate. If the media had followed up
properly on that, Bush p0robably would have been impeached and
convicted by now!

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

***Sorry to have to tell you this but "Watergate" was a put-on, from
day one. Every bit of it was staged.
You simply do not catch professional operatives during a third rate
burglary unless they want to get caught.
Great soap opera though. People eat it up!
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *Re: IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	07 Jun 2006 12:59:55 PM

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:27:49 -0700,
Joseph wrote:

****Your reactive comments (below) indicate you are not really aware
of what goes on these days in the White House. The same is true of
most Americans.

Don't concentrate so much on Bush Jr. His presidency is a mere front
(and rubber stamp) for the controllers who manipulate him from behind
the scenes. Imagine Bush Jr. as more like the dummy wooden-headed
puppet that he is. Take Pinocchio as a proverbial case in point, with
his nose getting ever longer with each passing lie.

Getting rid of Bush Jr. won't solve any problems. Neither did the
blatant corruption currently extant in Washington D.C. begin with the
current Bush administration, when they managed to rig the 2000 and
2004 presidential elections. Current events have literally taken
decades to develop, going all the way back to the end of World War
Two.

In point of fact Eisenhower warned early on in his presidency about
the dangers inherent to American freedoms stemming from an all
powerful military / industrial complex. Indeed, he would have known
since it was that very faction who sponsored and promoted his own
presidency.

As many an astute Washington observer will tell you, George Bush Jr.
is not the real President! Cheney is! Moreover, Cheney and Rumsfeld
both go way back in key positions through several American
presidencies. Namely the Nixon, Ford, Johnson, Bush Sr., and Reagan
presidencies.

If there is any single architect to all of this long term strategy
(and make no mistake, it is a long term conspiracy) it is "Big Daddy"
Bush, who positioned two of his sons for ascension to the presidential
throne by purchasing a state governorship for each of them. Of course,
all of this could not have come to fruition without the considerable
ongoing financial support of the Saudis.

Let's say they decide to "sacrifice" Bush Jr.. The same scenario
actually came to pass with Nixon. (Nixon would have never agreed to
resign had it not been for a solid guarantee that he would obtain a
presidential pardon from Ford.)

My guess is you will see Cheney resign the Vice Presidency (for health
or other reasons) whereupon Jeb Bush will be appointed to that office
by his brother in preparation for the 2008 presidential elections.
With Carl ("Mad Dog") Rove in charge of the political dirty tricks
department any 2008 presidential election process would be a foregone
conclusion.

I think yours is an astute analysis of the overall problem, and I see
nothing in there to disagree with. I am, of course, well aware that
GWB is merely a puppet. But from the Bull pulpit to which he was
assigned, he's the first one to deserve the brunt of all the well-
deserved criticism that he's been getting.

***Again, don't concentrate so much on dummy Bush Jr. He does
what he is told to do. This man is so dumb (probably stemming from
long term drug and alcohol abuse) that he could not evaluate himself
out of a wet paper sack in the noon day sun.

And make no mistake, the people who actually control our current
government are not "stupid". They are extremely intelligent, very
talented, and also incredibly evil. Never underestimate the enemy.

In point of fact we already have a de-facto dictatorship in place. If
they decide to make it official by staging another rigged "terrorist"
attack and declaring a national emergency, then nationwide marshall
law will take care of the rest.

That is actually one of the things I'm the most concerned about.
And this nation's SHEEPLE probably would just lay down and accept it!
If the Republicans' approval rating is so low by 2008 that even
Diebold's easily-hackable voting machines couldn't save them, I would
be surprised if another orchestrated terrorist attack *didn't* occur
very close to election day -- just in time to save their butts.

And we'd have Bush to thank for all of that! (Is it possible for
a President approval ratting to plummet down into the NEGATIVE
numbers...??
Although -- CNN has been doing a better and better job lately. Lou
Dobbs is all over Bush like ants at a picnic, and now Wolf (Aaron?)
Blitzer is jumping onto the bandwagon!

*** In my book "CNN" stands for "Controlled News Network". Virtually
all of the major media outlets have been purchased by Corporate
America, who currently control the flow of propaganda that passes for
"news" these days.

Don't be fooled by the good cop - bad cop (or reporter) routine. They
all work for the same boss. They want you to get emotional. A public
that reacts emotionally is far easier to control.

Scarily, you might be right about that too -- even though Dobbs is
doing such a wonderful job at exposing the corruption.

If the truth (posted internationally on the internet) can prevent
war, then let it be so!

I second that!! And third it... on to the infinite power, factorial !

U.S. objections over the potential for Iranian development of
nuclear weapons (WMD) is just window dressing used as a premise
for attack, just as it was prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I'm afraid of exactly that. Our Warmonger-in-Thief *specializes*
in bloodthirstiness and deceptions.

***It has been so from the onset. Don't you realize the Bush
administration has been in bed with the Saudis from the onset?

I'll give that a look! Didn't know that it existed!

That was bigger than Watergate. If the media had followed up
properly on that, Bush p0robably would have been impeached and
convicted by now!

***Sorry to have to tell you this but "Watergate" was a put-on, from
day one. Every bit of it was staged.

You simply do not catch professional operatives during a third rate
burglary unless they want to get caught.

Great soap opera though. People eat it up!

But as you pointed out, it DID at least send Nixon packing!
And HOW he fought to *prevent* that from happening to him!
Would have been great if he's blown a LOT of whistles, right
after being pardoned! THAT would have been a fascinating
eye-opener for everyone!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.

User: "Joseph"
Title: *Re: .. IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	07 Jun 2006 12:38:17 PM

****Your reactive comments (below) indicate you are not really aware
of what goes on these days in the White House. The same is true of
most Americans.
Don't concentrate so much on Bush Jr. His presidency is a mere front
(and rubber stamp) for the controllers who manipulate him from behind
the scenes. Imagine Bush Jr. as more like the dummy wooden-headed
puppet that he is. Take Pinocchio as a proverbial case in point, with
his nose getting ever longer with each passing lie.
Getting rid of Bush Jr. won't solve any problems. Neither did the
blatant corruption currently extant in Washington D.C. begin with the
current Bush administration, when they managed to rig the 2000 and
2004 presidential elections. Current events have literally taken
decades to develop, going all the way back to the end of World War
Two.
In point of fact Eisenhower warned early on in his presidency about
the dangers inherent to American freedoms stemming from an all
powerful military / industrial complex. Indeed, he would have known
since it was that very faction who sponsored and promoted his own
presidency.
As many an astute Washington observer will tell you, George Bush Jr.
is not the real President! Cheney is! Moreover, Cheney and Rumsfeld
both go way back in key positions through several American
presidencies. Namely the Nixon, Ford, Johnson, Bush Sr., and Reagan
presidencies.
If there is any single architect to all of this long term strategy
(and make no mistake, it is a long term conspiracy) it is "Big Daddy"
Bush, who positioned two of his sons for ascension to the presidential
throne by purchasing a state governorship for each of them. Of course,
all of this could not have come to fruition without the considerable
ongoing financial support of the Saudis.
Let's say they decide to "sacrifice" Bush Jr.. The same scenario
actually came to pass with Nixon. Indeed, Nixon would have never
agreed to resign had it not been for a solid guarantee that he would
obtain a presidential pardon from Ford. It has been said of Ford in
his own turn at the presidency that he was so dense he could not walk
and chew gum at the same time.
My guess is you will see Cheney resign the Vice Presidency (for health
or other reasons) whereupon Jeb Bush will be appointed to that office
by his brother in preparation for the 2008 presidential elections.
With Carl ("Mad Dog") Rove in charge of the political dirty tricks
department any 2008 presidential election process would be a foregone
conclusion.

If the truth (posted internationally on the internet) can prevent war,
then let it be so!

I second that!! And third it... on to the infinite power, factorial !

U.S. objections over the potential for Iranian development of
nuclear weapons (WMD) is just window dressing used as a premise
for attack, just as it was prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I'm afraid of exactly that. Our Warmonger-in-Thief *specializes*
in bloodthirstiness and deceptions.

***It has been so from the onset. Don't you realize the Bush
administration has been in bed with the Saudis from the onset?

***Try viewing the film "9-11 Revisited". You can do so free of charge
on line, or even purchase it directly for $7.95 from the source. A
small price to pay for a report of what actually happened on 9-11-01.

That was bigger than Watergate. If the media had followed up
properly on that, Bush p0robably would have been impeached and
convicted by now!

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>

User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
Title: *Re: .. IRAN already holds the Trump Card* -- and it's not even nuclear.**	07 Jun 2006 01:02:46 PM