Jewish Beliefs on Abortion



 Science > Abortion > Jewish Beliefs on Abortion

LINK TO THIS PAGE  


rating :  0   |  0


  Page 1 of 1

1

 
Topic: Science > Abortion
User: "Papa Jack"
Date: 21 Apr 2004 06:02:26 PM
Object: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion
On April 19, 2004, JTA News posted an article
by Matthew E. Berger titled: "Broad Range of
Jewish Groups Drawn to March for Women's Rights."
http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=Jews+join+abortion+rights+march&intcategoryid=5
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"This weekend's march on Washington for reproductive
rights, an election-year exercise in mass message-
sending, has a substantial Jewish component.
[...]
"Rabbi Sally Priesand, the first woman ordained
as a rabbi in the United States, said she is
traveling to the rally because she wants to
preserve women's rights and the rights of Jews
to practice their religion.
"'Judaism says very specifically that a fetus is
not a person until birth and until it survives 30
days," said Priesand, who is traveling with a
contingent from her synagogue, Monmouth Reform
Temple, in Tinton Falls, N.J.
"'Any legislation that says otherwise restricts
my rights and the rights of any Jewish woman to
follow their religion."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack asks:
Two questions:
1) Since when does the Jewish religion allow a woman
to be ordained as a rabbi? Is that in accordance
with the Jewish scripture?
2) Rabbi Priesand claims Judaism says very specifically
a fetus is not a "person" until birth and until
it survives 30 days. Does that mean the parents are
allowed to kill the newborn infant in the first 30
days?
One source I found, Judism 101, stated:
"An unborn child has the status of 'potential human
life' until the majority of the body has emerged
from the mother. Potential human life is valuable,
and may not be terminated casually, but it does not
have as much value as a life in existence."
http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Abortion
Just curious.
.

User: "Pixie Dust 413"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 24 Apr 2004 06:01:45 PM

1) Since when does the Jewish religion allow a woman
to be ordained as a rabbi? Is that in accordance
with the Jewish scripture?

Reform Judaism began ordaining women rabbis in 1972. Conservative
Judasim began ordaining women rabbis in 1984.

"An unborn child has the status of 'potential human
life' until the majority of the body has emerged
from the mother. Potential human life is valuable,
and may not be terminated casually, but it does not
have as much value as a life in existence."

There you go, PJ. You just contradicted yourself.
Reform and Conservative Judaism does not forbid abortion. They
support a woman's right to make her own decisions regarding the
pregnancy, in accordance with her doctor, spouse (if she has one), and
the law of the country in which the woman is living (in this case,
we're talking Roe v. Wade).
And before you say it, I know this because I am Jewish.
PixieDust413
.
User: "Mizzyandrea"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 24 Apr 2004 11:03:56 PM
Potential human life is valuable,
*****************
No it isn't. It's certainly not more valuable than the woman who would be
expected to incubate it.
.


User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 22 Apr 2004 02:49:31 PM
In article <6f9e1b49.0404211502.31149e29@posting.google.com>,
(Papa Jack) wrote:

On April 19, 2004, JTA News posted an article
by Matthew E. Berger titled: "Broad Range of
Jewish Groups Drawn to March for Women's Rights."

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=Jews+join+abortion+rights+ma
rch&intcategoryid=5
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:

"This weekend's march on Washington for reproductive
rights, an election-year exercise in mass message-
sending, has a substantial Jewish component.
[...]

"Rabbi Sally Priesand, the first woman ordained
as a rabbi in the United States, said she is
traveling to the rally because she wants to
preserve women's rights and the rights of Jews
to practice their religion.

"'Judaism says very specifically that a fetus is
not a person until birth and until it survives 30
days," said Priesand, who is traveling with a
contingent from her synagogue, Monmouth Reform
Temple, in Tinton Falls, N.J.

"'Any legislation that says otherwise restricts
my rights and the rights of any Jewish woman to
follow their religion."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________

Papa Jack asks:
Two questions:

1) Since when does the Jewish religion allow a woman
to be ordained as a rabbi? Is that in accordance
with the Jewish scripture?

From an organizational perspective, there is no one "Jewish
religion." Different sects of Juidiasm have different rules
on who can be ordained as a rabbi. Conservative Jews have no
problem with female rabbis. Only the orthodox Jews would deny
a woman the ability to be an ordaned rabbi.
This is no different than the "Christian" religion, where
some churches allow women to be ordained ministers and other
churches do not.

2) Rabbi Priesand claims Judaism says very specifically
a fetus is not a "person" until birth and until
it survives 30 days. Does that mean the parents are
allowed to kill the newborn infant in the first 30
days?

No. Murdering an infant is illegal in the United States, regardless
of the religious affiliation of that infant's parents.

One source I found, Judism 101, stated:

"An unborn child has the status of 'potential human
life' until the majority of the body has emerged
from the mother. Potential human life is valuable,
and may not be terminated casually, but it does not
have as much value as a life in existence."

http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Abortion

Just curious.

Feel free to ask a rabbi.
.

User: "Lawrence E. McKnight"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 21 Apr 2004 07:05:02 PM
On 21 Apr 2004 16:02:26 -0700,
(Papa Jack) wrote:

On April 19, 2004, JTA News posted an article
by Matthew E. Berger titled: "Broad Range of
Jewish Groups Drawn to March for Women's Rights."

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=Jews+join+abortion+rights+march&intcategoryid=5
___________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:

"This weekend's march on Washington for reproductive
rights, an election-year exercise in mass message-
sending, has a substantial Jewish component.
[...]

"Rabbi Sally Priesand, the first woman ordained
as a rabbi in the United States, said she is
traveling to the rally because she wants to
preserve women's rights and the rights of Jews
to practice their religion.

"'Judaism says very specifically that a fetus is
not a person until birth and until it survives 30
days," said Priesand, who is traveling with a
contingent from her synagogue, Monmouth Reform
Temple, in Tinton Falls, N.J.

"'Any legislation that says otherwise restricts
my rights and the rights of any Jewish woman to
follow their religion."
[...]
___________________________________________________________________________

Papa Jack asks:
Two questions:

1) Since when does the Jewish religion allow a woman
to be ordained as a rabbi? Is that in accordance
with the Jewish scripture?

Hmm. Is PJ that ignorant with the various strands of Judaism? Here
is a fee clue for him: there have been female Reform rabbis for quite
a while.


2) Rabbi Priesand claims Judaism says very specifically
a fetus is not a "person" until birth and until
it survives 30 days. Does that mean the parents are
allowed to kill the newborn infant in the first 30
days?

One source I found, Judism 101, stated:

And an interesting sentence preceding PJ's excerpt:
"Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires
abortion."


"An unborn child has the status of 'potential human
life' until the majority of the body has emerged
from the mother. Potential human life is valuable,
and may not be terminated casually, but it does not
have as much value as a life in existence."

http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Abortion

Also note this on the home page:
"The information in this site is written predominantly from the
Orthodox viewpoint,"


Just curious.

-
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email
.
User: "Chris"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 21 Apr 2004 08:51:37 PM
"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:2o2e80pqdlllpskd9pfv1qhqh5mu6in86l@4ax.com...

On 21 Apr 2004 16:02:26 -0700,

(Papa Jack) wrote:

On April 19, 2004, JTA News posted an article
by Matthew E. Berger titled: "Broad Range of
Jewish Groups Drawn to March for Women's Rights."


http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=Jews+join+abortion+rights

+march&intcategoryid=5


___________________________________________________________________________

Excerpts:

"This weekend's march on Washington for reproductive
rights, an election-year exercise in mass message-
sending, has a substantial Jewish component.
[...]

"Rabbi Sally Priesand, the first woman ordained
as a rabbi in the United States, said she is
traveling to the rally because she wants to
preserve women's rights and the rights of Jews
to practice their religion.

"'Judaism says very specifically that a fetus is
not a person until birth and until it survives 30
days," said Priesand, who is traveling with a
contingent from her synagogue, Monmouth Reform
Temple, in Tinton Falls, N.J.

"'Any legislation that says otherwise restricts
my rights and the rights of any Jewish woman to
follow their religion."
[...]


___________________________________________________________________________


Papa Jack asks:
Two questions:

1) Since when does the Jewish religion allow a woman
to be ordained as a rabbi? Is that in accordance
with the Jewish scripture?


Hmm. Is PJ that ignorant with the various strands of Judaism? Here
is a fee clue for him: there have been female Reform rabbis for quite
a while.


2) Rabbi Priesand claims Judaism says very specifically
a fetus is not a "person" until birth and until
it survives 30 days. Does that mean the parents are
allowed to kill the newborn infant in the first 30
days?

One source I found, Judism 101, stated:


And an interesting sentence preceding PJ's excerpt:

"Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires
abortion."

Such as?


"An unborn child has the status of 'potential human
life' until the majority of the body has emerged
from the mother. Potential human life is valuable,
and may not be terminated casually, but it does not
have as much value as a life in existence."

http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Abortion


Also note this on the home page:

"The information in this site is written predominantly from the
Orthodox viewpoint,"


Just curious.


-
Larry
(this space unintentionally left blank .....
make obvious deletion for email

.
User: "Frank Dwyer"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 21 Apr 2004 11:28:56 PM
Chris wrote:


"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:2o2e80pqdlllpskd9pfv1qhqh5mu6in86l@4ax.com...


"Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires
abortion."


Such as?

If the mother's life is in danger as a result of the pregnancy, then the
mother MUST get an abortion.
.
User: "REP"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 22 Apr 2004 05:49:51 AM
In article <40874A7A.E36BDB5F@citlink.net>,
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote:

Chris wrote:


"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:2o2e80pqdlllpskd9pfv1qhqh5mu6in86l@4ax.com...


"Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires
abortion."


Such as?


If the mother's life is in danger as a result of the pregnancy, then the
mother MUST get an abortion.

Or if a pregnant woman is diagnosed with a serious cancer, and treating
the cancer would harm the fetus and not treating it endangers the
woman's life, she must preserve her life first.
--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
.

User: "MyTwoAngels"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 22 Apr 2004 06:28:57 AM
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:28:56 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net>
wrote:

Chris wrote:


"Lawrence E. McKnight" <lawrence.delete.mcknight@sbcglobal.delete.net> wrote
in message news:2o2e80pqdlllpskd9pfv1qhqh5mu6in86l@4ax.com...


"Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires
abortion."


Such as?


If the mother's life is in danger as a result of the pregnancy, then the
mother MUST get an abortion.

I take that to mean she doesn't have the choice to die for her
pregnancy, then. That's what pisses off PJ!
.




User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: Rabbi's Beliefs on Abortion 21 Apr 2004 11:07:47 PM
Papa Jackass <papajack@stic.net> wrote:

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?strwebhead=Jews+join+abortion+rights+march&intcategoryid=5
___________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbi Sally Priesand, the first woman ordained
as a rabbi in the United States, said she is
traveling to the rally because she wants to
preserve women's rights and the rights of Jews
to practice their religion.

"'Judaism says very specifically that a fetus is
not a person until birth and until it survives 30
days," said Priesand, who is traveling with a
contingent from her synagogue, Monmouth Reform
Temple, in Tinton Falls, N.J.

"'Any legislation that says otherwise restricts
my rights and the rights of any Jewish woman to
follow their religion."
___________________________________________________________________________

Two questions:

1) Since when does the Jewish religion allow a woman
to be ordained as a rabbi? Is that in accordance
with the Jewish scripture?

Why do you care? Are you Jewish?

2) Rabbi Priesand claims Judaism says very specifically
a fetus is not a "person" until birth and until
it survives 30 days. Does that mean the parents are
allowed to kill the newborn infant in the first 30
days?

Haven't you heard of these things we call "laws", Jackass?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Spartakus"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 22 Apr 2004 12:49:42 PM
What's the point of this thread, PJ? Do you think there is something
wrong with abortion or with Judaism?
.
User: "Mizzyandrea"

Title: Re: Jewish Beliefs on Abortion 22 Apr 2004 06:46:24 PM
What's the point of this thread, PJ? Do you think there is something
wrong with abortion or with Judaism?
************************************
Some ***** anti-Semite decided to tip his ignorant nazi hand.............
There is nothing wrong with Jews or abortion
.



  Page 1 of 1

1

 


Related Articles
Abortion: The Jewish Holocaust
Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<>> V4.1 S_0723
UPDATED!! Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<>> V4.0 S_0619
Updated! Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<>> V5.0 S_0729
Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<>> V3.0 (UPDATED LINKS!!) S_0616
Re: Neonazis running scared Germans opening Nazi files (was Re: Jewish Holocaust claims is a lie )
Re: JEWISH SLAUGHTER FROM BEIRUT TO JERUSALEM
Re: Mel Gibson's Jewish Problem
Re: Jewish Pornmasters Give America What it Wants
Re: Jewish Pornmasters Give America What it Wants
Re: Jewish Pornmasters Give America What it Wants
Re: Jewish Pornmasters Give America What it Wants
Re: Jewish Pornmasters Give America What it Wants
Re: The Man That Pro-Jewish Forces Love To Hate
Re: Jewish converts not welcome
 

NEWER

pg.716     pg.544     pg.412     pg.311     pg.234     pg.175     pg.130     pg.96     pg.70     pg.50     pg.35     pg.24     pg.16     pg.10     pg.6     pg.3     pg.1

OLDER