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Special note June 10, 2003: I will attempt to verify/update or find equivalent
links for all links below.
Special addition June 22, 2003:
Here is what the Old Testament (which Jews claim to adhere to as authoritative
and note what King David says of the unborn and what God's LAW as given to Moses
says about causing the death of the unborn):
Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: New International Version (NIV)
For the director of music. Of David. A psalm.
1 O LORD , you have searched me and you know me.
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are
wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I
was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in
your book before one of them came to be.
Other renderings of the above:
Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: The Message (MSG)
A David psalm
1 GOD, investigate my life; get all the facts firsthand.
13 Oh yes, you shaped me first inside, then out;
you formed me in my mother's womb.
14 I thank you, High God--you're breathtaking!
Body and soul, I am marvelously made!
I worship in adoration--what a creation!
15 You know me inside and out,
you know every bone in my body;
You know exactly how I was made, bit by bit,
how I was sculpted from nothing into something.
16 Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth;
all the stages of my life were spread out before you,
The days of my life all prepared
before I'd even lived one day.
Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: New Living Translation (NLT)
For the choir director: A psalm of David.
1
O LORD, you have examined my heart
and know everything about me.
13
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother's womb.
14
Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous--and how well I know it.
15
You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16
You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.
------> Hardly looks like King David would have approved of destroying life in
the womb would he!? Afterall-- isn't the Star of David which the Neo-Pharisees
adore today made in honor to King David!?! <-----------
Exodus 21:1,22,23 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 "These are the laws you are to set before them:
22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely
but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's
husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life...
The above comes shortly after the first TEN COMMANDMENTS too! Evidently modern
day Jews think it is "Kosher" to kill the unborn deliberately rather than
accidentally BUT does Psalms 139 support that the unborn are just mere unviable
tissue masses like the "baby-killers" like to claim in their wickedness?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/Library/opposition/vol1num5/art3.htm
(Link still active March 5, 2003) (Archived locally as: vol1num5-art3)
HLI AND ANTI-SEMITISM, CONTINUED
Human Life International, which held its international conference in Montreal
April 19-23, 1995, went on the defensive in the face of critical reports in the
Canadian press. However, HLI spokespersons underscored the very issues raised by
concerned groups. For example, responding to concerns that HLI fingers Jews as
the primary promoters of abortion, HLI spokesperson Judith Reisman said,
"...everyone knows Jews do [emphasis in the original] lead the abortion
industry, and I'll thank B'Nai Brith from the bottom of my heart if they can
prove otherwise."(1)
Notes
1.Joe Woodward, "Extremism in Defense of the Unborn: Human Life International is
Accused by B'Nai Brith of Anti-Semitism," British Columbia Report, January 9,
1995.
<end>
Concerning the leadership of Planned Parenthood:
http://www.sfjcf.org/events/photogallery/powerofone-april2002/index.shtml
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: FeldtJEW.jpg)
Jewish Community Federation
At the tenth annual Power of One event, over 600 women gathered in San
Francisco to celebrate their commitment to the Jewish Community Federation. They
were inspired by messages from Jan Richer, Liki Abrams, and keynote speaker
Gloria Feldt, President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, who
spoke eloquently about her Jewish roots, personal challenges and the importance
of activism.
<end>
Concerning the leadership of NARAL:
http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/031114/defend.shtml
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: NARALjew)
Jewish News
November 14, 2003/Cheshvan 19 5764, Vol. 56, No. 8
Defend a woman's right to choose
KATE MICHELMAN
"With each child," the Midrash teaches, "the world begins anew." It is an
eloquent summary of an enduring Jewish tradition, and it sums up a reason that I
am pro-choice...
<end>
Thus we see the two largest abortion advocacy groups led by Jewish women.
More insight on who performs the abortions:
http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/3265_12.asp
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: 3265_12)
Press Release Anti-Semitism-USA
ADL Investigation Reveals Strain of Anti-Semitism in Extreme Factions of the
Anti-Abortion Movement
New York, NY, October 30, 1998…A strain of anti-Semitism runs through the
extreme factions of the anti-abortion movement, according to the Anti-Defamation
League (ADL). In the days following the fatal shooting of Dr. Barnett Slepian, a
Buffalo, NY gynecologist-obstetrician who performed abortions, speculation has
surfaced as to whether Dr. Slepian may have been targeted because he was a Jew.
Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and
the United States since 1994 have been Jewish.
"While there is no evidence to suggest that anti-Semitism was a motive for the
attacks, we are deeply concerned about the strain of anti-Semitism running
through some extreme factions of the movement," said Abraham H. Foxman ADL
National Director. "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors control the
practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war criminals."
<end>
FOUR OUT OF FIVE ABORTIONISTS KILLED WERE JEWS! I BET THE OTHER WAS A SECULAR
HUMANIST GENTILE. ONLY JUDAISM AS A WHOLE CONDONES ABORTION!!!
As for Abe Foxman's whine: "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors
control the practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war
criminals." How do you explain the leadership of the two largest abortion
advocacy groups being led by Jews? How do you explain the absence of "Pro-Life"
Jews in the American Congress and how do you explain your own observation of
"Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and
the United States since 1994 have been Jewish." Finally how do you explain all
of the following Abe Foxman?
I also invite one and all to consider this vintage post of mine:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=35488b33.219890968%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=8
Subject: Re: WONG is Right! Jews support abortion - the evidence is
overwhelming! (Re: More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
Community Relations Council >)
Date: 1998/04/30
Message-ID: <35488b33.219890968@news.tavish-central.net>
Classic repost. Not all links may be active today.
I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone to show any
other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that takes
such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We all know
that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve abortion BUT
we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and promoting abortion
such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them and then ask
yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy they currently
receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from their slumber concerning
these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while actively
advocating death for the unborn.
I also wish to make this challenge to all Americans- name one Jew in Congress
that is pro-life and has a record of voting against any bill that condones
abortion. Can you name one? I can't! Did you know that the legislation written
by two Jews (one each in the House and Senate) became Law and is now used to
harass abortion protestors such as Operation Rescue? Click this link and see who
these two Jews were and the bill numbers and their exact text that became law:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts%404ax.com&rnum=14
Subject: Operation Rescue West Seeks $500,000 Reward (REPOST)..
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:18:58 -0600
Message-ID: <abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts@4ax.com>
Doc Tavish
---------- Forwarded Message Follows ----------
Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>
Folks I have a minor proposition for all of you to consider. It is a
mathematical problem of sorts and its variables are not absolutes. I only give
generally accepted variables (rounded figures) or arbitrary variables as
starting points.
The problem is- which group of people actually have more blood guilt in spilling
the blood of innocents?
Here are the variables (as they apply to present day United States):
The Nazi Third Reich lasted for 12 years from 1933 to 1945 as compared to Roe Vs
Wade (legalization of abortion on demand) ~27 years [1973 to February 3, 2000]
for ease of computation-- twice as long in rounded figures.
Again in "rounded figures" and I would appreciate documented exact numbers if
they are available- there were at least 1,000,000 Nazis and the United States
has 1,000 abortion doctors at the beckoning call which means Nazis outnumbered
abortionists at least a 1,000 to 1.
The generally accepted figure of "Holocaust" victims is 6,000,000 while
Operation Rescue with numbers verified by Alan Guttmacher Institute gives
abortions a number of over 35,000,000 or about six times the death rate in about
twice the time.
Now run this premise through your heads and let it soak in. Not all Nazis ever
physically took a life BUT all abortionists have! Going by arbitrary ratios of
1,000,000 Nazis killing 6,000,000 Jews we see that each Nazi would have had to
kill 6 Jews personally and as we all know- not all Nazis did any actual killings
on the other hand if the U.S. has 1,000 abortion doctors (of which each and
everyone of them has taken life as a fact) and they collectively performed over
35,000,000 abortions then that would mean each doctor for his part would have
had to "kill" at least 35,000 babies or roughly 1522 babies a year or ~127 a
month which could be easily done with only 4 "procedures" done daily.
Again all the above are arbitrary numbers meant to evoke your thoughts and for
conjecture!
New challenges I ask now on January 8, 2002:
1) Can anyone name just one Jewish congressperon past or present who has ever
been "pro-life"? Just name one!
2) Can anyone name just one (well known) Jewish organization known for its
"pro-life" struggles and activism? Just name one!
From the material below take notice of what Jewry said in these chosen
"snippets":
"In the fall of 1992, when Operation Rescue mobilized an anti-abortion campaign
in Wichita, Kan, Jewish groups were at the foreground of its opposition."
"This is not a pro-choice state," a staffer at the New Orleans Federation told
New Voices... Shows of Jewish support like in.. Louisiana are scarce. In fact,
according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are not needed, since Jewish
women do not abort."
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SPECIAL COMMENT ON: "since Jewish women do not abort" then it is Gentile babies
the anti-Christs are murdering! Jews are predominant in abortion wherether it be
doctors, training or Pro-Death Rights etc. Abortion is still another HOLOCAUST
Jews are waging or have waged against non-Jews since the 1st Century as
documented n this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49@4ax.com>
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"According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital is among a dozen
hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their resident doctors.
Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned Parenthood with
financial contributions."
In other words these Jews are fighting for the "right" of non-Jewish women to
abort! Does it not seem strange that Jews are interested in preserving "rights"
for others when they themselves don't elect to use them? Have any of you ever
wondered what the ratio of abortion doctors is? How many Jewish versus Gentile
abortionists? How many mainline religions support abortion the way that Jewish
religious groups do? Think about it!
Classic Doc Tavish Repost From the Vintage Archives
[Not all links may still be active many of the links quoted are at least two
years old. Tavish comment February 1, 2000]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3547a05d.159763437%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=5
"More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish Community Relations
Council >" Message-ID: <3547a05d.159763437@news.tavish-central.net>
Jewish Community Relations Council
http://www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
[Link active February 1, 2000] Link expired but is cached at GOOGLE (6-10-2003):
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:iEvyWQW0kRQJ:www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm++%22JCRC+firmly+endorses+the+right+of+women+to+reproductive+choice%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Archived locally as: google-women)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020615141556re_/www.jcrc.org/main/women.htm
(Link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: jcrc_women)
"JCRC firmly endorses the right of women to reproductive choice. We are
concerned about the new-found strength of abortion opponents in Congress."
"Long supportive of a woman's legal right to reproductive choice, JCRC opposes
legislation, citizen initiatives and other measures that seek to weaken the
guarantees of a woman's right and access to reproductive services."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
More on Jewry supporting infanticide:
The Jewish Communication Network
http://web.archive.org/web/20001101020058re_/www.jcn18.com/jsps/oct1995/page9.htm
(Link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: jcn_page9)
Abortion: On the Line
Also see: http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=311967088&fmt=text
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_311967088
Message-ID: <34abf874.258761288@news.smart1.net>
"B'nai B'rith Women has been one of dozens of Jewish organizations that have
made their pro-choice stance publicly known and have rallied around women's
right to choose abortion. Here, activists participated in the March for Women's
Lives in Washington, D.C. in 1992." [Caption quote from web site picture.]
Where Do Jewish Groups Stand?
By Udi Ofer, Staff Writer
"One Jewish organization which has been vocal in the past and continues to
support access to abortion is the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the
Reform movement's umbrella organization. Even before Roe Vs. Wade, the 1973
landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, the UAHC passed a
resolution in favor of a woman's right to choose. "We commend those states which
have enacted humane legislation in this area (abortion) and we appeal to other
states to do likewise and permit abortions under such circumstances as
threatened disease or deformity of the embryo or fetus, threats to the physical
and mental health of the mother, rape and incest and the social, economic and
psychological factors that might warrant therapeutic termination of pregnancy,"
the November 1967 UAHC position paper stated.
After Roe vs. Wade passed, the UAHC stated in 1975: "We oppose those riders and
amendments to other bills aimed at halting Medicaid, legal counselling and
family services in abortion-related activities...We are opposed to attempts to
restrict the right to abortion through constitutional amendments."
However, these were only organizational proclamations. And as the years pass, so
did more resolutions.
In 1994, various occurrences of clinic violence erupted throughout the country.
Headlining these events were the murders of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett
at a Pensacola, Fl. clinic. Immediately, the Jewish community mobilized by
rushing to its fax machines with press releases. "We call on leaders of the
anti-abortion movement not only to condemn these outrageous murders and all
violence at and about abortion clinics but to abandon the rhetoric of murder and
hate which encourages those in this movement to believe such acts of violence
are justifiable," stated the AJCongress after the murders.
But not all national organizations restrict themselves to decrees. In the fall
of 1992, when Operation Rescue mobilized an anti-abortion campaign in Wichita,
Kan, Jewish groups were at the foreground of its opposition. For weeks violent
anti-abortion protests and clinic violence dominated the Wichita. In the end,
however, Operation Rescue was run out of town.
"B'nai Brith Women helped women secure safe access to clinics in Wichita, by
organizing the community to work with city legislature," said Aileen Cooper, the
public affairs coordinator at BBW. According to Maya Townsend, also of BBW,
members of the organization became part of an escort service to assist women in
securing access to abortion providers. The escort service protected women from
harrassment from abortion foes. BBW was also a member of the Kansas Choice
Alliance, a local pro-choice movement.
Another Jewish leader who has taken action in the issue of abortion is Rabbi
Michael Matuson.
In 1992, Rabbi Matuson challenged the Louisiana state legislature in its strict
new anti-abortion laws. The Reform rabbi volunteered as a plaintiff in a lawsuit
seeking an injunction to prevent enforcement of the new law. Immediately
following his challenge, Rabbi Matuson and his Baton Rouge congregation received
death threats. However this did not stop the rabbi, and eventually the
anti-abortion law was overturned. When asked whether he received any support
from the Jewish community, Matuson replied "the UAHC and the Central Conference
of American Rabbi's supported me. However, I did receive much opposition. Though
it was inappropriate for me to get involved, I did anyway." "This is not a
pro-choice state," a staffer at the New Orleans Federation told New Voices.
Shows of Jewish support like in Wichita and Louisiana are scarce. In fact,
according to some Jewish leaders, such actions are not needed, since Jewish
women do not abort.
Rabbi Israel Vana and Rabbi William Schwartz now live in Pensacola, Fl. Both are
Conservative rabbis and both agree that women should have a choice on abortion.
However, when asked how the Jewish community reacted to the murders at the
Pensacola clinic, neither were able to state a specific action that was taken on
the part of the Jewish community. But both remembered that various organizations
passed resolutions condemning the act. Neither Vana nor Schwartz lived in
Pensacola at that time. When asked if a woman in their congregations had ever
sought an abortion, both replied with a terse, " it neverhappened." This is
strange to Cooper, who cites a 1985 survey of 485 Jewish women conducted by BBW
that concluded that 91 percent of Jewish American women are pro-choice.
According to BBW's survey, of 471 non-Jewish women, 56 percent were pro-choice.
When asked how is it that the rabbi's insist that the Jewish women in their
congregations have not approached their rabbis about abortion, Cooper replied
that it is between woman and doctor and does not usually involve a rabbi. The
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, believe that the only way to decide on
whether to decide on whether to abort is through one's rabbi. In its resolution,
it stated that abortion should only be allowed "under certain unfortunate
circumstances." It is up to rabbi to decide which "circumstances" are
"unfortunate."
Other organizations decide to neither pass resolutions nor take action on the
issue of abortion.
"Judaism is neither pro-choice nor pro-life," insisted Amy Bebchick, the
Mitchell Fellow at Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life. Hillel, an
international Jewish student organization, with more than 100 chapters
nationwide, lets every chapter create its own policy concerning every issue. If
they want to take action, whether pro-choice or pro-life, they may.
Other organizations show support in different ways.
According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital is among a dozen
hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their resident doctors.
Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports Planned Parenthood with
financial contributions."
~~~~~~~~~~~ END ~~~~~~~~~~~
There you have it folks. The world's largest Jewish Organization, the ADL and
Union of American Hebrew Congregations are all for abortion! I did NOT delete
one word form the texts above and I provided the click links so anyone may
verify that I showed exactly what the Jews wrote.
Doc Tavish
New addition June 10, 2003:
http://www.uscj.org/scripts/uscj/paper/article.asp?ArticleID=396
(Archived locally as: uscj_ArticleID396)
"Judaism has a great deal to say about the issue of abortion, and Jewish law
provides both legal guidance and ethical insights. Affirming the religious
nature of this issue, much of the mainstream Jewish community, including The
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, has supported laws to maintain the
legality and accessibility of abortion."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/judaism.html
[All links active February 1, 2000] Still active 6-10-2003
(Archived locally as: JudeAbortion)
Complete text: http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/comp.html <DEAD
(Archived locally as: JudeAbortionComp)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030608125531re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/comp.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_0)
Judaism and Abortion
By Rabbi Raymond A. Zwerin and Rabbi Richard J. Shapiro
The issue of abortion in Jewish life is both complex and
multi-faceted, with roots going back to the Bible. Its complexity is due, in
large measure, to the reluctance of Jewish legal authorities to establish a
single principle by which to determine the morality of abortion. Within the
context of an overriding Jewish concern for the sanctity of human life, legal
authorities have relied largely on individual cases and derivative legal
concepts in determining when an abortion may take place. Especially during the
past century, the increased diversity of traditions and practices within the
Jewish community has naturally led to a diversity of approaches to the abortion
issue. Nonetheless, out of this complex diversity a clear, general concept can
be adduced from the centuries of Jewish tradition; and, it is that concept which
this article will address.
There are four aspects to the issue of abortion in Jewish tradition:
(1) the legal status of the embryo/fetus,
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040154re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section1.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_1)
"The Legal Status of the Embryo/Fetus
According to Jewish law, a fetus is not considered a full human being and has no
juridical personality of its own. While recognizing the potentiality of becoming
human, Rashi, the great 12th century commentator on the Bible and Talmud, states
clearly of the fetus "lav nefesh hu--it is not a person." The Talmud contains
the expression "ubar yerech imo--the fetus is as the thigh of its mother," i.e.,
the fetus is deemed to be part and parcel of the pregnant woman's body.
[...]
Jewish law is quite clear: while the fetus in the womb is to be protected as a
potential human being, it has no personhood; it is not a bar kayamah (a viable,
living being), thus, it is not accorded any of the rights or privileges of a
human being."
[excerpt]
(2) the time of ensoulment;
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040444re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section2.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_2)
"The Time of Ensoulment
While the status of a fetus is of interest with regard to the ultimate question
of the morality of abortion, so, too, is the issue of
ensoulment. Namely, at what moment does the soul enter the body? In Jewish legal
tradition, there are several theories. The most famous text in this regard is
from the Talmud and concerns a somewhat strange dialogue between the Roman
Emperor Antoninus and Rabbi Judah the Patriarch, the compiler of the Mishna.[*]
Antoninus asked Rabbi Judah: 'From when is the neshamah (soul) endowed in man:
from the time of birth, or from the moment of intercourse?' Rabbi Judah
answered. `From the time of birth.' The Emperor then asked. `Can meat remain
three days without salt and not putrify?'"
[...]
The Rabbis were saying, in effect, that the moment of ensoulment is unclear at
best, and subject to a great deal of speculation and disagreement. They state,
therefore, that is one of the "secrets of God" that will be revealed only when
the Messiah comes. As a result, the issue of ensoulment plays virtually no role
in Jewish considerations of the morality of abortion." [excerpt]
(3) conditions under which a therapeutic abortion may take place; and
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040552re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section3.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_3)
"Conditions for Therapeutic Abortions
The issue of therapeutic abortion itself is first dealt with in a second century
Jewish legal text quoted in the Mishna.
If a woman is in hard labor (that threatens her life), one dismembers the fetus
within her and removes it limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over
its life. Once the greater part of it emerges it may not be touched, for we do
not set aside one life for another.
In commenting on this passage, later authorities further define the phrase "the
greater part of it." During a normal delivery, this refers to the emergence of
the forehead, while during a breach birth, this means more than half the body.
There are two principles employed here to arrive at the conclusion that the
abortion is justified. The first and foremost of the two is that the fetus
remains only a potential human life until its emergence from the birth canal.
One must, therefore, sacrifice the potential life in order to save a fully
existent human life, i.e., the pregnant woman in labor.
The second principle deals with the concept of self-defense. In Jewish law, one
is permitted to defend oneself, even to the extent of taking the attacker's life
should one's own life be in jeopardy. This point was brought into the discussion
on abortion when some authorities in the Talmud challenged the prohibition
stated above, of the taking of the life of the now fully human child in order to
save the life of its mother. It was argued that the principle of the aggressor
ought to apply here. Since it was pursuing its mother with intent to kill one
should be permitted to kill if necessary, even the fetus whose greater portion
had already emerged.
This argument was rejected, however, in favor of a position that the mother is
being pursued "from Heaven;" i.e., that the difficulties she is encountering are
an act of God, and that it is impossible to know, in reality, who is pursuing
whom. The principle of pursuer and self-defense, therefore, cannot be applied in
the case of the child in the process of being born and need not be applied prior
to birth since in that case the pursuer is not a person.
Nonetheless, in the legal code of Maimonides, the great Jewish sage of the 13th
century, the argument of the pursuer was used once again. In commenting on the
passage from the Mishna quoted above, and in stating the rules governing
abortion in his code, Maimonides utilizes the pursuer justification, using the
example of a boat about to sink from its load. In order to lighten the load, a
passenger without baggage steps forward and proceeds to throw overboard the
baggage and a mule belonging to the others. Maimonides states that that person
is not liable for restitution to the owners, for the baggage and the mule are
pursuers, "seeking" to kill them all." [excerpt]
(4) conditions under which a non-therapeutic abortion may take place.
http://www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html <DEAD
http://web.archive.org/web/20030624040758re_/www.rcrc.org/religion/es/section4.html
(New link active January 24, 2004. Archived locally as: JudeAbortion_4)
"Conditions for Non-Therapeutic Abortions
The guidelines for deciding cases of accidental and therapeutic abortion, then,
are reasonably clear-cut, even though there is some disagreement concerning the
proper justification. Such cannot be said once one turns to the topic of a
non-therapeutic abortion. Here the relevant literature is the Responsa--
questions written to and responses written by rabbinic authorities from the 10th
century to today. It is also here that a divergence in opinion begins to emerge.
Such divergence is due initially to differing understandings of Maimonides' use
of the pursuer argument, cited above. Later, in the 19th and 20th centuries, it
becomes part and parcel of the diversity within Judaism itself as liberal
streams of Jewish tradition and observance emerge. There are many relevant
Responsa concerning abortion, several of which follow. In all of them, the
principles are those described above. Note, however, how different
understandings of these principles lead to different conclusions.
The first case concerns a child who is nursing and cannot survive without his
mother's milk, being allergic to all other forms of nutrition. The mother,
however, having become pregnant once again, sees that her milk has now ceased
flowing. Here, where the issue is saving the life of a third party, as opposed
to the pregnant woman herself, two different authorities mandate the performance
of an abortion to save the life of the existing child.
Other cases emerge today as a result of a better understanding of mental health
issues. The question is whether or not suicidal tendencies in a pregnant woman
(tendencies that might, as a result of the pregnancy itself, impel the woman to
take her own life), justify the performance of an abortion. In this case, even
the most stringent of authorities permit an abortion to save the life of the
pregnant woman.
In past centuries, many other circumstances have come before
rabbinical authorities, as well. One case involved a woman whose pregnancy would
leave her permanently deaf, and while some authorities rejected this as
sufficient grounds for an abortion, no less an authority than a Chief Rabbi of
Israel granted her permission.
In cases involving adultery, there is also a division of opinion. Some invoke
the principle of "let the fruit of the act bear witness to the deed lest
adultery flourish in the land." Others maintain that we must do everything
possible to save the pregnant woman from great mental pain and anguish, shame
being the greatest mental pain. And in several cases involving rape, this latter
principle seems to dominate, with many authorities granting permission to take
the steps necessary to ensure that a pregnancy will not result
Yet, in the light of these cases, might one assume that abortion is justifiable
under any and all circumstances? The answer, according to Jewish law, is clearly
"no." The majority of Jewish legal sources indicate that abortion is permissible
at any stage of the pregnancy if the well-being of the pregnant woman is
jeopardized, while it is clearly not permissible if the well-being of the future
child is the issue. This distinction can best be illustrated by the following
example.
Due to modem medical technology a pregnant woman can now be certain, long before
the birth of her child, whether it will be born defective due to rubella or the
taking of Thalidomide during pregnancy, or due to genetic factors such as
Tay-Sachs disease, or due to systematically transmitted diseases such as AIDS,
etc. In all of these cases, abortion is not permitted out of fear or concern
over what the child might have to endure during its life. Its lot in life is not
to be determined nor judged by humanity. Its quality of life is one of the
"secrets of God," and is not open to human judgment. However, some rabbinical
authorities maintain that if the pregnant woman expresses anguish about her own
mental, emotional, or psychological well-being resulting from an impending
birth, then her pain may warrant an abortion. Other rabbinical authorities would
not permit an abortion on such grounds.
In cases of non-therapeutic abortion, then, the major consideration is "the pain
of the mother." It is out of consideration for the woman involved, and not the
fate or condition of the fetus, which becomes the determining factor in
prohibiting or permitting an abortion. And it is precisely on this issue that
diversity of opinion is now the greatest. Not only is the diversity seen between
the various movements in Judaism today, but even within each movement itself. In
addition to traditional Jewish mores and standards, each movement has its own
criteria for determining the permissibility of abortion under other than
therapeutic circumstances."
[quoted in full]
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Doesn't the above make you want to vomit? How many hours of media exposure do we
get monthly concerning the "Holocaust" against Jews yet these same Jews favour
and condone the slaughter of millions of innocents!
For pictures of the "handiwork" of what Jews embrace and remember this was
brought out above: "According to Planned Parenthood, Long Island Jewish Hospital
is among a dozen hospitals nationwide that teaches abortion procedures to their
resident doctors. Another organization, the Jewish Communal Fund, supports
Planned Parenthood with financial contributions."
Challenge: Name any other major world religion who condones and contributes to
planned infanticide!
Links to pictures (links active June 10, 2003):
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3382/index.htm
http://www.holylamb.com/abortion1.htm
http://www.operationrescue.org/involved/truthtruck.asp
http://www.operationrescue.org/abortion/babypics.asp
From the above link here are the most horrendous and convincing pictures showing
the atrocity which only one world religion (Judaism) supports:
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby2.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby4.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby6.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby10.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby12.jpg
http://www.operationrescue.org/images/front/baby14.jpg
Look at those pictures and links and accept the challenge I made at the top of
the page which said:
"I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone to show
any other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that
takes such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We
all know that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve
abortion BUT we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and
promoting abortion such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them
and then ask yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy
they currently receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from their
slumber concerning these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while
actively advocating death for the unborn."
I use two sig lines in this post. One showing how Jews relate to communism
and the other showing how Jews view non-Jews which would explain why abortion is
so attractive to them. What better way could be had than for ignorant people to
kill their own and thus be one less GOY the Jew has to deal with?
[Special addition June 16, 2004: I also add at the very bottom two other links
to what the people who are viewed as "The Chosen" do which are also very
disgusting and fully documented in my usual manner.]
Doc Tavish Daily Showing the Hypocrisy of Jewry
---
I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
which existed before Stalin took control?
"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001
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"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink containing
wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non-Jew after the seal of the
bottle has been opened." <http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html>
Information taken from: Is it Kosher, Rabbi E. Eidlitz and Spice and Spirit,
The Lubavitch Women's Cookbook Publications (July 12, 2001)
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a
glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the
wine unclean." Jewish Talmud
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:BSGmUeDRxZsJ:www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html++%22http://www.kashrus.org/kosher/supervis.html%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Link active May 25, 2003. Archived locally as: google-supervis)
--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ejoodv8ba5n1ja6k5f13i0bfp46nhfb257%404ax.com&rnum=3
Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
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Subject: Exclusion Entirely of Non-Jews in the Jewish Scheme of Things! R_0426
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Subject: About Kashrus and Supervision - What Jews Teach Concerning non-Jews (In
Their Own Words Series) R_0603
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Subject: Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT
a "Brother" in Their Eyes!
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OTHER DISGUSTING ACTIVITY ENGAGED IN BY "THE CHOSEN" AGAINST THE NON-JEWISH
WORLD:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=6m6o905tqje9bv43a4jkmrl8552fi611ag@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: White Slavery of Christian Girls - In Israel!! PLUS Jews Dominate
Hollywood and Porn V2.0 R_0507
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Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.1
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Date: 24 Jan 2004 14:47:48 GMT
ALSO SEE:
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Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support
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Date: 12 Jul 2003 14:16:47 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k13kevcj90g42mifth1ghve92udggtqqbb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Jews Spitting on Jesus During Aleinu (In Their Own Words Series)
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Date: 13 Jun 2003 17:34:27 GMT
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Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
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On 17 Jun 2004 01:04:14 GMT, <20040616210414.23916.00000095@mb-m28.aol.com>
brunjoe219@aol.com (Joe Bruno) wrote:
Subject: Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>
V3.0 (UPDATED LINKS!!) S_0616
From: Beaver Cleaver beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net
Date: 6/16/2004 7:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <f7n0d0th1u0i3fu45cu08sji6ht7a5bek0@4ax.com>
Repost from January 8, 2002: (Revised June 16, 2004)
I've posted these before-not all Jews support abortion rights:
I didn't ever claim all Jews support abortion rights! Once again here is what I
posted:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cuj410htbs3qb44fitn4ierrr8523b3aov@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>
V3.0 (UPDATED LINKS!!) S_0124
Message-ID: <cuj410htbs3qb44fitn4ierrr8523b3aov@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jan 2004 11:27:40 GMT
Excerpt
I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone to show any
other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that takes
such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We all know
that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve abortion BUT
we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and promoting abortion
such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them and then ask
yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy they currently
receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from their slumber concerning
these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while actively
advocating death for the unborn.
I also wish to make this challenge to all Americans- name one Jew in Congress
that is pro-life and has a record of voting against any bill that condones
abortion. Can you name one? I can't! Did you know that the legislation written
by two Jews (one each in the House and Senate) became Law and is now used to
harass abortion protestors such as Operation Rescue? Click this link and see who
these two Jews were and the bill numbers and their exact text that became law:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts%404ax.com&rnum=14
Subject: Operation Rescue West Seeks $500,000 Reward (REPOST)..
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:18:58 -0600
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Doc Tavish
---------- Forwarded Message Follows ----------
Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>
Folks I have a minor proposition for all of you to consider. It is a
mathematical problem of sorts and its variables are not absolutes. I only give
generally accepted variables (rounded figures) or arbitrary variables as
starting points.
The problem is- which group of people actually have more blood guilt in spilling
the blood of innocents?
Here are the variables (as they apply to present day United States):
The Nazi Third Reich lasted for 12 years from 1933 to 1945 as compared to Roe Vs
Wade (legalization of abortion on demand) ~27 years [1973 to February 3, 2000]
for ease of computation-- twice as long in rounded figures.
Again in "rounded figures" and I would appreciate documented exact numbers if
they are available- there were at least 1,000,000 Nazis and the United States
has 1,000 abortion doctors at the beckoning call which means Nazis outnumbered
abortionists at least a 1,000 to 1.
The generally accepted figure of "Holocaust" victims is 6,000,000 while
Operation Rescue with numbers verified by Alan Guttmacher Institute gives
abortions a number of over 35,000,000 or about six times the death rate in about
twice the time.
Now run this premise through your heads and let it soak in. Not all Nazis ever
physically took a life BUT all abortionists have! Going by arbitrary ratios of
1,000,000 Nazis killing 6,000,000 Jews we see that each Nazi would have had to
kill 6 Jews personally and as we all know- not all Nazis did any actual killings
on the other hand if the U.S. has 1,000 abortion doctors (of which each and
everyone of them has taken life as a fact) and they collectively performed over
35,000,000 abortions then that would mean each doctor for his part would have
had to "kill" at least 35,000 babies or roughly 1522 babies a year or ~127 a
month which could be easily done with only 4 "procedures" done daily.
Again all the above are arbitrary numbers meant to evoke your thoughts and for
conjecture!
New challenges I ask now on January 8, 2002:
1) Can anyone name just one Jewish congressperon past or present who has ever
been "pro-life"? Just name one!
2) Can anyone name just one (well known) Jewish organization known for its
"pro-life" struggles and activism? Just name one!
END OF EXCERPT
The organization you cite below is NOT well known and it is NOT anywhere as
powerful as all the Jewish orgs such as B'nai Brith (The World's Largest Jewish
Organization) and the ADL who are very much politically active in favor of
abortion. The two largest lobby groups Planned Parenthood and NARAL are headed
by Jewish women and each and every Jew in Congress or has been in Congress has
been very supportive of "abortion rights." CARE TO DENY ALL I HAVE STATED?
http://www.jewsforlife.org/
http://www.jewsforlife.org/Jewish-leaders.cfm
They aren't "well known" are they?
Tavish
Here is the UPDATED version:
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Subject: UPDATED!! Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The
Numbers>>> V4.0 S_0619
Message-ID: <l818d019h5pg9guoe9oto3pq5k6q18qcpj@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Jun 2004 09:12:55 GMT
Joe Bruno
Si pacem vis, parabellum
(If you want peace, prepare for war)
Ancient Roman Motto
How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
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Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
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Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
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Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
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Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
Message-ID: <i31ucv4nvr6ehh6r2jgq8d7orrpfhm3j09@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
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Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34c17d0f.1410012285%40news.smart1.net&rnum=7
Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
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Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
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Date: 2 Jul 2003 15:33:38 GMT
Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
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On 19 Jun 2004 10:31:37 -0700, <ab6ebb1e.0406190931.2ff14793@posting.google.com>
gzuckier@snail-mail.net (z) wrote:
brunjoe219@aol.com (Joe Bruno) wrote in message news:<20040616210414.23916.00000095@mb-m28.aol.com>...
I've posted these before-not all Jews support abortion rights:
http://www.jewsforlife.org/
http://www.jewsforlife.org/Jewish-leaders.cfm
What? You mean all Jews don't think alike, following their
instructions from an ancient Jewish cabal that secretly rules the
world? You mean they disagree on something as basic as this? Well
then, that must mean that... that... that antiSemitism is insane?
How is quoting what Jews themselves write and then pointing out their hypocrisy
antisemitism? Are you trying to say Jews are above scrutiny and criticism OR are
you just using a term of opprobrium simply because you can't refute or deny the
factualness of what I posted?
Wow! I guess that'll make the folks here stop and think, eh?
They will see all you did is make an ad hominem attack and they will see I stuck
to dealing in fact!
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Subject: UPDATED!! Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The
Numbers>>> V4.0 S_0619
Message-ID: <l818d019h5pg9guoe9oto3pq5k6q18qcpj@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Jun 2004 09:12:55 GMT
Tavish
How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
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Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
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Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
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Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
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Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
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Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa8sfa0qfboa6ull055%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
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Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
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Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
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Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
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Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
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Subject: Communist Holocaust Has Killed Over 100 Million People
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Date: 2 Jul 2003 15:33:38 GMT
Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
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Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
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Subject: Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants V2.1
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Date: 24 Jan 2004 14:47:48 GMT
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Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
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Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
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Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support
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Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote in message news:<q8s9d01ues68jb30o7lscol03fiamiad8o@4ax.com>...
On 19 Jun 2004 10:31:37 -0700, <ab6ebb1e.0406190931.2ff14793@posting.google.com>
gzuckier@snail-mail.net (z) wrote:
brunjoe219@aol.com (Joe Bruno) wrote in message news:<20040616210414.23916.00000095@mb-m28.aol.com>...
I've posted these before-not all Jews support abortion rights:
http://www.jewsforlife.org/
http://www.jewsforlife.org/Jewish-leaders.cfm
What? You mean all Jews don't think alike, following their
instructions from an ancient Jewish cabal that secretly rules the
world? You mean they disagree on something as basic as this? Well
then, that must mean that... that... that antiSemitism is insane?
How is quoting what Jews themselves write and then pointing out their hypocrisy
antisemitism? Are you trying to say Jews are above scrutiny and criticism OR are
you just using a term of opprobrium simply because you can't refute or deny the
factualness of what I posted?
Wow! I guess that'll make the folks here stop and think, eh?
They will see all you did is make an ad hominem attack and they will see I stuck
to dealing in fact!
You are only saying that because the secret Jewish mind control cabal makes you.
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R. Scott Bradbury of Bellville, Texas, hiding behind "Beaver Cleaver" <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
Repost from January 8, 2002: (Revised June 16, 2004)
No one cares about your insanity, Fatbury.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkzn73m0ig.fsf@fnord.io.com...
R. Scott Bradbury of Bellville, Texas, hiding behind "Beaver Cleaver"
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
Repost from January 8, 2002: (Revised June 16, 2004)
No one cares about your insanity, Fatbury.
Where is this "insanity"?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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On 16 Jun 2004 20:33:27 -0500, <szkzn73m0ig.fsf@fnord.io.com> Patrick Lee
Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:
R. Scott Bradbury of Xxxxx, Xxxxx, hiding behind "Beaver Cleaver" <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
I was informed you once again posted where I live and as I have always done and
will do:
Seeing how where I live keeps being brought up I will post where the *****
lives who made the info public in the first place:
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I am being harassed by having my confidential information being posted along
with death threats, forged child porn ads being posted which give out my address
etc., having phoney sex offender lists posted which give out my address, having
magazine and catalog subscriptions forged in my identity etc. I am also being
stalked by psychotics such as Patrick Lee Humphrey. FOR A FACT it was Yale F.
Edeiken and Yale F. Edeiken alone who subpoenaed my confidential info from my
ISP and made the subpoenaed info public-- now let him receive justice under the
Law of Moses:
Just as has been done to me and is still being done to me and solely because
of Yale F. Edeiken exclusively I will apply the LAW he claims to observe to him:
Leviticus 24:19-20 :: New International Version (NIV)
19 If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him:
20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the
other, so he is to be injured.
http://maps.infospace.com/home/kevmap?OP=GeoCode&OTMPL=kevmap2/mapresults.htm&qa=918+N+Bayard+St&qc=Allentown&qs=pa&ver=14132
(Archived locally as: 918N_Bayard)
Yale F. Edeiken
918 N Bayard St
Allentown PA 18104
Tel 610 435-9820
<Source: Court documents>
If Yale does not like getting back in kind what he has dished out then he
should encourage his THUG allies to stop harassing me and invading my privacy!
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Repost from January 8, 2002: (Revised June 16, 2004)
No one cares about your insanity,
Then why don't you just ignore me you stalker kook instead of harassing me
because you can't logically and rationally refute or dispute what I post?
Fatbury.
Fatbury? You have never seen me and you are repeating a lie started by the
shyster loser ***** who made my address available in the first place and who
is a liar and has been before the Supreme Court of his state three times!!!
I.E.
---Famous Last Words Series-- Yale F. Edeiken:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=38700e8b@news3.enter.net&lr=&hl=en
Archived locally as: YaleSuedTwice
From: "Yale F. Edeiken" <yawen@enter.net>
Subject: KOOK WEBSITE
Date: 2000/01/02
Message-ID: <38700e8b@news3.enter.net>
"I have never been charged with any unethical activity relating to the
practice of law..."
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Here is laughing at you big time Yale F. Edeiken!
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attdiscdcd.php?id=40290
(Link active October 29, 2003. Archived locally as: shyster_censured)
Attorney ID - 40290
Edeiken, Yale F.
^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Attorney Inquiry
Attorney ID Case County District
40290 122 DB 95 Lehigh II Public Censure Administered 10/20/98
^^^^^^^^^
<STOP>
A PDF file is available which gives a report on the above
122 DB 95 against Shyster Yale Fatso Edeiken:
http://padisciplinaryboard.org/attopinion.php?case=122DB95
^^^^^^^
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/disciplinaryboard/dboardopinions/122DB95.RPT.pdf
(Link active October 28, 2003. Archived locally as: "Edeiken_Gets_His" and
122DB95.RPT)
YOU (Yale F. Edeiken) had already received one "Private Reprimand" in 1993 and
YOU had received an "Informal Admonition" in 1995! Then YOU, the shyster, got
"PUBLIC CENSURE" in 1998!!!
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Two major strikes and one foul. One more strike and YOU'RE out! ROTFLMAO
You can't refute me and you have never been able to refute what I post so you
resort to trying to have your fellow kooks harass me! You are a loser Patrick
Humphrey!
Try refuting and proving what I posted is false or forged! YOU CAN'T YOU *****
AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cuj410htbs3qb44fitn4ierrr8523b3aov@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The Numbers>>>
V3.0 (UPDATED LINKS!!) S_0124
Message-ID: <cuj410htbs3qb44fitn4ierrr8523b3aov@4ax.com>
Date: 24 Jan 2004 11:27:40 GMT
I am about to post the UPDATED edition to the above too! You will really crap in
your pants when you see it!
BTW speaking of fat, how is your wife Dale the Whale doing?
<"Thar she blows-- Dale the Whale" http://www.io.com/~patrick/vegas.html>
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
http://www.io.com/~patrick/address.html
Dale and I can be reached at the following snail mail location:
Patrick & Dale Ann Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
I'll be monitoring your abortion groups now Patrick to see if you post where I
live again instead of being a man and actually trying to refute what I post!
Tavish
---Undeniable proof Patrick "Peeping Tom" Humphrey has a mental disorder:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&ic=1&selm=50ht24%24l0g%40anarchy.io.com
(Archived locally as: PatrickThePeeper)
Subject: Re: PATRICK "THE STALKER?"
Date: 1996/09/03
Message-ID: <50ht24$l0g@anarchy.io.com>
references: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960808135921.27762B-100000@omni.cc.purdue.edu>
---Sad, but true, but at least it'll be a bit easier than I thought to
encounter "Shawn" when I'm in Austin next month--if I'm out at night, just look
for anyone peeking into windows... Patrick L. Humphrey
Here is what some experts say about Patrick's behavior:
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/issues/99/10.28/news.peeping.html
(Archived locally as: PLH_Voyeur)
Voyeurism at root of Peeping Tom incidents
CRIME: Cases uncommon on campus; recent arrest one of seven since 1997
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By Linh Tat Daily Bruin Contributor Although everyone has heard the term
"Peeping Tom" before, most people may still be in the dark when it comes to
understanding the nature of this criminal offense. Many people may label a
person who secretly observes another undressing or in the nude as a Peeping Tom,
but they do not always consider that those who repeatedly commit this offense
may suffer from a psychological disorder.... <END>
http://www.google.com/search?q=psychiatric+disorder+%22Peeping+Tom%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&start=20&sa=N
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2000/0responses/2000-0919.resp.html
(Archived locally as: 2000-0919)
http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/briefs/2000/0responses/2000-0919.resp.pdf
(Archived locally as: 2000-0919.resp.pdf)
....In November 1997, after reviewing police reports that implicated petitioner
as a suspect in a "Peeping Tom" incident that occurred in the vicinity of the
rape, NCIS reopened its investigation. Pet. App. 23a. Thereafter, the NCIS
office in Hawaii asked NCIS Special Agent John McNutt, assigned to the NCIS
office in Memphis, Tennessee, to interrogate petitioner, who was living in
Memphis, and to ask him to provide NCIS with a sample of his blood. Id. at 24a.
After learning that petitioner was receiving medical treatment at the
Veteran's Administration (VA) Hospital in Memphis, McNutt contacted the VA and
was allowed to review petitioner's medical records. Pet. App. 24a. During that
review, McNutt learned that petitioner was being treated for diabetes and a
mental disorder.... <END>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=4n4u10thkq0jntg82glctakap9drrejg4n@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Patrick L. Humphrey-- A Dangerous Stalker? - How To Identify Stalkers
Info UPDATED LINKS S_0202
Message-ID: <4n4u10thkq0jntg82glctakap9drrejg4n@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2004 03:56:50 GMT
How Patrick L.Humphrey Avoids the Facts Contained in the Archive Above:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=2b1020hnohd6v183t30qejep2p2vsjc2bv@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <2b1020hnohd6v183t30qejep2p2vsjc2bv@4ax.com>
References: <4n4u10thkq0jntg82glctakap9drrejg4n@4ax.com>
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Date: 3 Feb 2004 20:45:36 GMT
Patrick Lee Humphrey: Facts about His TERMINATION From Rice University:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=jjrv10h69n06h1h60d16rqfvpoibvrvvca@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Message-ID: <jjrv10h69n06h1h60d16rqfvpoibvrvvca@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2004 20:29:17 GMT
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On 19 Jun 2004 12:52:47 -0500, <szku0x75tao.fsf@fnord.io.com> Patrick Lee
Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:
Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
On 16 Jun 2004 20:33:27 -0500, <szkzn73m0ig.fsf@fnord.io.com> Patrick Lee
Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=szkzn73m0ig.fsf@fnord.io.com&lr=&hl=en
R. Scott Bradbury of Xxxxxx, Xxxxxxx, hiding behind "Beaver Cleaver"
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> writes:
I was informed you once again posted where I live and as I have always done and
will do:
[BTW what does my identity and where I live have anything to do with what I post
other than Patrick seeking to have me harassed more than I am in his vain
attempts to intimidate me into silence!?]
Seeing how where I live keeps being brought up I will post where the *****
lives who made the info public in the first place:
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I am being harassed by having my confidential information being posted along
with death threats, forged child porn ads being posted which give out my address
etc., having phoney sex offender lists posted which give out my address, having
magazine and catalog subscriptions forged in my identity etc. I am also being
stalked by psychotics such as Patrick Lee Humphrey. FOR A FACT it was Yale F.
Edeiken and Yale F. Edeiken alone who subpoenaed my confidential info from my
ISP and made the subpoenaed info public-- now let him receive justice under the
Law of Moses:
Just as has been done to me and is still being done to me and solely because
of Yale F. Edeiken exclusively I will apply the LAW he claims to observe to him:
Leviticus 24:19-20 :: New International Version (NIV)
19 If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him:
20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the
other, so he is to be injured.
http://maps.infospace.com/home/kevmap?OP=GeoCode&OTMPL=kevmap2/mapresults.htm&qa=918+N+Bayard+St&qc=Allentown&qs=pa&ver=14132
(Archived locally as: 918N_Bayard)
Yale F. Edeiken
918 N Bayard St
Allentown PA 18104
Tel 610 435-9820
<Source: Court documents>
If Yale does not like getting back in kind what he has dished out then he
should encourage his THUG allies to stop harassing me and invading my privacy!
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What, you couldn't find it yourself in alt.revisionism?
You didn't cross post your reply back to alt.revisionism you snake. You only
posted it back to alt.abortion and talk.abortion! Care to deny it?
Stupid is as you do, Blubberbury...and your trash is tossed out again.
Still can't refute me!!!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=l818d019h5pg9guoe9oto3pq5k6q18qcpj@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: UPDATED!! Jewish Empathy for Blood of Innocents? ABORTION <<<Do The
Numbers>>> V4.0 S_0619
Message-ID: <l818d019h5pg9guoe9oto3pq5k6q18qcpj@4ax.com>
Date: 19 Jun 2004 09:12:55 GMT
You never learn, do you?
You're the one who hasn't learned. You rely on ad hominem attacks rather than
refuting what I post which reflects on you NOT me!
Try to deny just a small portion of what you won't refute:
Excerpt from the above archived post:
<start?quote>
Here is what the Old Testament (which Jews claim to adhere to as authoritative
and note what King David says of the unborn and what God's LAW is as given to
Moses says about causing the death of the unborn):
Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: New International Version (NIV)
For the director of music. Of David. A psalm.
1 O LORD , you have searched me and you know me.
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are
wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I
was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in
your book before one of them came to be.
Other renderings of the above:
Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: The Message (MSG)
A David psalm
1 GOD, investigate my life; get all the facts firsthand.
13 Oh yes, you shaped me first inside, then out;
you formed me in my mother's womb.
14 I thank you, High God--you're breathtaking!
Body and soul, I am marvelously made!
I worship in adoration--what a creation!
15 You know me inside and out,
you know every bone in my body;
You know exactly how I was made, bit by bit,
how I was sculpted from nothing into something.
16 Like an open book, you watched me grow from conception to birth;
all the stages of my life were spread out before you,
The days of my life all prepared
before I'd even lived one day.
Psalm 139:1,13,14,15,16 :: New Living Translation (NLT)
For the choir director: A psalm of David.
1
O LORD, you have examined my heart
and know everything about me.
13
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body
and knit me together in my mother's womb.
14
Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!
Your workmanship is marvelous--and how well I know it.
15
You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,
as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.
16
You saw me before I was born.
Every day of my life was recorded in your book.
Every moment was laid out
before a single day had passed.
------> Hardly looks like King David would have approved of destroying life in
the womb would he!? Afterall-- isn't the Star of David which the Neo-Pharisees
adore today made in honor to King David!?! <-----------
Exodus 21:1,22,23 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 "These are the laws you are to set before them:
22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely
but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's
husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life...
The above comes shortly after the first TEN COMMANDMENTS too! Evidently modern
day Jews think it is "Kosher" to kill the unborn deliberately rather than
accidentally BUT does Psalms 139 support that the unborn are just mere unviable
tissue masses like the "baby-killers" like to claim in their wickedness?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/Library/opposition/vol1num5/art3.htm
(Link still active March 5, 2003) (Archived locally as: vol1num5-art3)
HLI AND ANTI-SEMITISM, CONTINUED
Human Life International, which held its international conference in Montreal
April 19-23, 1995, went on the defensive in the face of critical reports in the
Canadian press. However, HLI spokespersons underscored the very issues raised by
concerned groups. For example, responding to concerns that HLI fingers Jews as
the primary promoters of abortion, HLI spokesperson Judith Reisman said,
"...everyone knows Jews do [emphasis in the original] lead the abortion
industry, and I'll thank B'Nai Brith from the bottom of my heart if they can
prove otherwise."(1)
Notes
1.Joe Woodward, "Extremism in Defense of the Unborn: Human Life International is
Accused by B'Nai Brith of Anti-Semitism," British Columbia Report, January 9,
1995.
<end>
Regarding the challenge to B'nai Brith as detailed above: "everyone knows Jews
do [emphasis in the original] lead the abortion industry, and I'll thank B'Nai
Brith from the bottom of my heart if they can prove otherwise" I now offer:
Concerning the leadership of Planned Parenthood (the largest abortion provider
in America):
http://www.sfjcf.org/events/photogallery/powerofone-april2002/index.shtml
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: FeldtJEW.jpg)
Jewish Community Federation
At the tenth annual Power of One event, over 600 women gathered in San Francisco
to celebrate their commitment to the Jewish Community Federation. They were
inspired by messages from Jan Richer, Liki Abrams, and keynote speaker Gloria
Feldt, President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, who spoke
eloquently about her Jewish roots, personal challenges and the importance of
activism.
<end>
Proof Jewish Gloria Feldt's Planned Parenthood dominates the abortion industry:
[Key phrase: "The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is the single largest
abortion provider in the United States."]
http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/abortion/factsheet.htm
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: usccb_facts)
US Catholic Bishops - Fact Sheet Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is the single largest abortion
provider in the United States. During 1998, Planned Parenthood clinics performed
167,928 surgical abortions. At an average cost of $350 per abortion, the
organization grossed $58,554,300 in abortion income. (Planned Parenthood
1998-1999 Annual Report, page 9).
Despite Planned Parenthood's "choice" rhetoric, it provided adoption referrals
to only 4,892 women and prenatal care to 16,065. Planned Parenthood provides 34
times more abortions than adoption referrals. It provides ten times more
abortions than prenatal services. (Planned Parenthood 1998-1999 Annual Report,
page 9).
Planned Parenthood's activity generates enormous revenue each year. During its
1999 fiscal year, the group reported a $125.8 million excess of revenue over
expenses. (Planned Parenthood 1998-1999 Annual Report, pages 18-19).
Planned Parenthood remains a significant beneficiary of federal money. In
1998, Congress gave Planned Parenthood and its affiliated organizations, the
International Planned Parenthood Federation and the Alan Guttmacher Institute,
$142,976,618 to support its domestic and international "family planning" agenda.
(Government Accounting Office, July 18, 2000 memo to members of Congress).
Planned Parenthood opposes the right of conscience—the right of Catholics and
Catholic hospitals to abide by church teaching on health care issues. In an
October 1999 speech Gloria Feldt, Planned Parenthood's current president
outlined the group's four-part agenda for the millennium, the fourth plank of
which is "bringing justice to ‘conscience' provisions for health care providers
and facilities." She called conscience clauses a "sugarcoated name" for
"interference" in medical decisions and lamented, "your daughter might not be
able to receive family planning, abortion, or infertility treatments at a
Catholic hospital." (Gloria Feldt in a speech delivered at the Commonwealth Club
of California, San Francisco, October 19, 1999).... <end>
Concerning leadership in NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League):
http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/031114/defend.shtml
(Link active June 16, 2004. Archived locally as: NARALjew)
Jewish News
November 14, 2003/Cheshvan 19 5764, Vol. 56, No. 8
Defend a woman's right to choose
KATE MICHELMAN
"With each child," the Midrash teaches, "the world begins anew." It is an
eloquent summary of an enduring Jewish tradition, and it sums up a reason that I
am pro-choice...
After his historic participation in the March at Selma, Rabbi Abraham Joshua
Heschel said, "My feet were praying." We need to pray with our feet once more.
We need to get pro-choice Americans to act and vote on their pro-choice values.
...This March will mark the highlight of my nearly 20-year tenure with NARAL
Pro-Choice America (formerly the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights
Action League). I cannot imagine a more fitting note on which to retire...
Kate Michelman is the president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.
<end>
http://www.naral.org/about/kate/index.cfm
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Kate Michelman
Biography
For more than 18 years, Kate Michelman has served as President of NARAL
Pro-Choice America, catapulting the organization to prominence as the nation's
premier reproductive rights group...
Under Michelman's leadership, NARAL Pro-Choice America has positioned a
woman's freedom to choose as integral to the most fundamental of American
liberties: dominion over one's own life. Vanity Fair Magazine has named Kate one
of America's 200 Women Legends, Leaders, A seasoned lobbyist and skilled
political strategist — Washingtonian magazine named Michelman one of the
capital's 100 most powerful women and The Hill named her one of the top
grassroots/non-profit lobbyists — she has pursued a legislative agenda to keep
abortion legal...
Prior to joining NARAL Pro-Choice America in 1985, Michelman was executive
director of Planned Parenthood in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, where she expanded
the range of reproductive health services available in the area... <end>
Thus we see the two largest abortion advocacy groups led by Jewish women.
More insight on who performs the abortions or who advocates it:
http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.07.25/news15.html
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ADL, B'nai B'rith Join Fight Against Judicial Nominee
By ORI NIR
FORWARD STAFF
WASHINGTON — President Bush's pick for a federal appeals judgeship in Atlanta
is drawing strong opposition from Jewish groups, including three organizations
that usually refuse to take sides in judicial fights.
Officials at the Anti-Defamation League, B'nai B'rith International and
American Jewish Congress said that they felt obligated to abandon their typical
silence on judicial nominees, given what they described as the extremist views
of Alabama Attorney General William Pryor. Those two groups have joined the
National Council of Jewish Women, the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
and many liberal nonsectarian organizations in opposing Pryor's nomination...
Pryor has strongly criticized the Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. "On
January 22, 1973, seven members of [the] court swept aside the laws of the 50
states and created — out of thin air — a constitutional right to murder an
unborn child," Pryor said in 1997.
Kaplan, of B'nai B'rith, described Pryor's views as "extraordinarily extreme."
Kaplan noted that it has been years since his organization took a public
position on a judicial nominee — so long, in fact, that he could not remember
when the last time was that it made such a move. "There comes a time when [a
nominee] appears to be that extreme, that you're compelled to take a position,
even though it is not what you do in the normal course of events," Kaplan said.
<end>
http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Igpress/CWR/CWR0897/book.html
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Faithful for Life: the Autobiography of Father Paul Marx, Human Life
International, 1997
[...]
Human Life International recently hosted its 1997 World Conference for Love,
Life and the Family in St. Paul, Minnesota. That city's Archbishop Harry J.
Flynn created quite a stir a few days prior to the conference by reneging on his
commitment to celebrate Mass with Fr. Marx at St. Paul Cathedral. Archbishop
Flynn explained his sudden reversal by saying that believes Father Marx had made
some "anti-Semitic" remarks--comments concerning American secular Jews who have
betrayed their Judaism by their involvement in the abortion industry. Flynn made
his decision to withdraw only after an ecumenical group called the Interfaith
Council brought some excerpts from Fr. Marx's writings to his attention.
The archbishop's absence, however, was only part of a larger plan of opposition
to the HLI meeting, orchestrated by the Fight the Right Coalition (FRC), which
twice disrupted the conference proceedings, and also "demonstrated" on the steps
of St. Paul Cathedral by offering vulgar gestures, same-sex kissing, nudity, and
signs which read, "My body, my choice, my fist!"
HLI subsequently produced a transcript of a panel discussion sponsored by the
Militant Labor Forum at which Michelle Gross of the FRC revealed: "Our coalition
has formed a number of activities to take on [HLI] in the streets and we also
began to do some behind-the-scenes organizing." Speaking to the fact that
Archbishop Flynn decided against celebrating Mass with Fr. Marx, she continued:
That happened not because he suddenly woke up one day and saw the light...
Representatives of our organizations met with the Interfaith Council, including
some rabbis and Catholic leadership... Those representatives of the Interfaith
Council went to the archbishop, and based on their meeting he decided to pull
out.
As Father Marx makes clear in his autobiography, the Flynn incident is typical
of the ongoing saga of HLI's relationship with the world. Wherever Father Marx
has traveled to preach his pro-life message (especially in North America), he
has invariably met with vicious propaganda campaigns perpetrated by the likes of
the International Planned Parenthood Federation and the National Organization
for Women, and has been rejected by local Catholics, including bishops and
priests, all the while being welcomed by the thousands of pro-life and
pro-family activists who promote HLI's message that being pro-life is not
limited to a single-issue but permeates one's entire lifestyle.
Varieties of opposition
Archbishop Flynn's false accusation of Fr. Marx's anti-Semitism was not the
first of its kind. Commenting on this in Faithful for Life, Fr. Marx writes:
In 1987 HLI made a careful study of involvement in the world-wide abortion
movement. The undisputed conclusion of this study was that a disproportionately
large number of Jews who are disloyal to Jewish teachings have led and are
leading the campaign for legalized abortion. We then consulted the Orthodox Jews
who confirmed these findings. If a large and disproportionate group of Mormons
or Indians... had surfaced, we would have published this too. We have deplored
the horrendous Holocaust, in which some six million Jews died at Hitler's hands,
and have compared it to the greater worldwide "holocaust" of unborn babies
slaughtered daily. At no time have we ever condemned the Jewish people--our
targets have only been Jewish abortionists, and not because they are Jewish...
<end>
Here is ADL's Abe Foxman showing his hypocrisy and his "pro-abortion" position.
If ADL is so virulent against the "anti-abortion" stance then the ADL must be
"pro-abortion."
http://www.adl.org/poisoning_web/anti_abortion.asp
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Poisoning the Web: Hatred Online
"Anti-Abortion Extremism in Cyberspace:
The Creator's Rights Party
A 54-year-old Georgia native and self-taught computer consultant, Neal Horsley
leads the militant anti-abortion Creator's Rights Party. Horsley developed his
extremist views in the 1980s, while a scholarship student at Westminster
Theological Seminary in Glenside, Pennsylvania, a conservative seminary with
Presbyterian roots... <end>
http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.06.13/news1.html
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Liberals Vow Court Fight Over Limit On Abortion
'Partial Birth' Ban Faces Challenge
By ORI NIR
FORWARD STAFF
WASHINGTON — Liberal groups are vowing a constitutional court challenge if
President Bush follows through on his promise to sign the first federal law
banning an abortion procedure.
The measure, a ban on a procedure widely known as "partial birth abortion,"
passed the House of Representatives last week by a wide margin, after the Senate
approved an almost identical bill in March. Bush, who is expected to receive a
final version of the bill shortly, has promised to sign it. A broad coalition of
liberal organizations and abortion-rights groups is set to challenge the ban in
court as soon as it is signed.
The calls to overturn the bill have been endorsed by several major Jewish
organizations, including some that initially appeared hesitant to sign on. Most
mainstream Jewish groups have been reluctant to challenge the Bush
administration on domestic issues in recent months, torn between the liberal
views of constituents and the attachment of top leaders to Israeli security
needs. The congressional victory of the anti-abortion forces appears to have
stirred the groups to action, however.
"This is a huge deal. It is the first time the federal government is
criminalizing an abortion procedure," said Shelley Klein, director of American
affairs and domestic policy at Hadassah, the women's Zionist organization. "That
is very serious, but we strongly believe it is unconstitutional." ...
Abortion-rights activists say the ban is just one piece of a concerted effort
by anti-abortion groups to prepare the ground for overturning Roe v. Wade. The
strategy of such groups, according to Ellen Witman, co-director of Washington
operations for the National Council of Jewish Women, is to make as many gains as
possible through legislation while "packing the [lower] courts with
anti-abortion judges" — in anticipation of a change in the makeup of the Supreme
Court...
Another piece of legislation being pushed by anti-abortion groups is the
Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which the Senate is expected to pass later this
month. The bill, which has already cleared the House, recognizes a fetus as a
crime-victim in cases where a fetus is injured or killed as a result of a
federal crime. The House has renamed it "Laci and Conner's Law," after murder
victim Laci Peterson and her unborn son. A Newsweek poll taken earlier this year
found that 84% of Americans support pressing homicide charges when a fetus is
killed in the womb during a physical assault.
Statistics on Jewish opinion specifically regarding partial birth abortion
were not available. However, repeated polls during the past 15 years have found
a huge gap between Jews and non-Jews on other abortion-related issues, with Jews
overwhelmingly in favor of unrestricted abortion rights while non-Jews are more
divided.
A 2000 survey sponsored by Center for Jewish Community Studies, a conservative
Philadelphia think tank, found that 65% of Jews "strongly agreed" with the idea
that abortion should be readily available and 4% "strongly disagreed." Among
non-Jews, only 30% "strongly agreed" while 26% "strongly disagreed."
Overall, including those who "somewhat" agreed or disagreed, Jews endorsed
abortion rights 88% to 9%, while non-Jews supported them by a narrower 58% to
36% margin.
Jewish groups lined up solidly against a more broadly-worded ban on partial
birth abortion that was adopted in Nebraska in 1997. The Supreme Court
overturned the Nebraska law in a 5-to-4 decision in 2000.
This time around, leaders of two Jewish women's organizations, Hadassah and
the National Council of Jewish Women, responded promptly to the congressional
vote with declarations that their groups will definitely join the legal fight.
Officials at the American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Congress did
not issue public statements, but said in response to inquiries that they were
likely to take part. The Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism publicly
condemned the passage of the bill in the House, but it has not yet indicated if
it will join in any legal action.
The Anti-Defamation League, which filed a court brief against the Nebraska
ban, said it has not adopted an official position on the congressional measure.
Gloria Feldt, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said
the organization would seek an injunction to stop its implementation... <end>
The above revelations are from the Jewish FORWARD!!
Funny thing about the ADL they claim at their website the following: "The
Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization
fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred,
prejudice and bigotry." YET above we see the ADL "fil[ing] a court brief against
the Nebraska [partial birth abortion] ban"! What does abortion have to do with
fighting anti-semitism not unless of course abortion was a "Jewish thing!"
Think about it people and read what ADL is in a huff about just below!
--------Special note on ADL and B'nai Brith------------------------------------
The ADL is actually a "subsidiary" of the B'nai Brith:
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm
(Archived locally as: bb_ca_league)
"Report an Anti-Semitic/Racist Incident 1-800 892-BNAI
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada is dedicated to
combatting antisemitism, racism, and bigotry. The objectives of the League
include the protection of human rights of all Canadians, the development
of positive inter-community relations, and the elimination of racial
discrimination and antisemitism. Working in co-operative association with
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith, the League for Human Rights of
B'nai Brith Canada accomplishes its goals through: Legal/Legislative
Initiatives ...."
Also as a fact B'nai Brith has abused its tax exempt status to give financial
aid to a rabid anti-Christian and anti-Americanj communist named David
Lethbridge and it is fully documented here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
--------End of Special note on ADL and B'nai Brith--------------------------
Moving on:
http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/3265_12.asp
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Press Release Anti-Semitism-USA
ADL Investigation Reveals Strain of Anti-Semitism in Extreme Factions of the
Anti-Abortion Movement
New York, NY, October 30, 1998…A strain of anti-Semitism runs through the
extreme factions of the anti-abortion movement, according to the Anti-Defamation
League (ADL). In the days following the fatal shooting of Dr. Barnett Slepian, a
Buffalo, NY gynecologist-obstetrician who performed abortions, speculation has
surfaced as to whether Dr. Slepian may have been targeted because he was a Jew.
Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and
the United States since 1994 have been Jewish.
"While there is no evidence to suggest that anti-Semitism was a motive for the
attacks, we are deeply concerned about the strain of anti-Semitism running
through some extreme factions of the movement," said Abraham H. Foxman ADL
National Director. "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors control the
practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war criminals."
[...]
The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization
fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred,
prejudice and bigotry.
<end>
FOUR OUT OF FIVE ABORTIONISTS KILLED WERE JEWS! I BET THE OTHER WAS A SECULAR
HUMANIST GENTILE.
As for Abe Foxman's whine: "They make insidious claims that Jewish doctors
control the practice and industry of abortion, often comparing them to Nazi war
criminals." How do you explain the leadership of the two largest abortion
advocacy groups being led by Jews? How do you explain the absence of "Pro-Life"
Jews in the American Congress and how do you explain your own observation of
"Four of the five abortion providers shot by a sniper or snipers in Canada and
the United States since 1994 have been Jewish." Finally how do you explain all
of the following Abe Foxman?
I also invite one and all to consider this vintage post of mine:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=35488b33.219890968%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=8
Subject: Re: WONG is Right! Jews support abortion - the evidence is
overwhelming! (Re: More Jewish Support of Butchery Known as Abortion <> Jewish
Community Relations Council >) Date: 1998/04/30
Message-ID: <35488b33.219890968@news.tavish-central.net>
I make this challenge regarding the information below. I want anyone to show any
other "world religion" - i.e. Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist, etc. that takes
such of an active role in the promotion of infanticide aka abortion. We all know
that each major organization may have splinter sects that approve abortion BUT
we do not see any "world religion" as a whole defending and promoting abortion
such as Judaism! Read all the documented links, verify them and then ask
yourselves if Jewry as a whole deserves the "Holocaust" sympathy they currently
receive! I hope the following awakes millions up from their slumber concerning
these hypocrites who like wallowing in their own misery while actively
advocating death for the unborn.
I also wish to make this challenge to all Americans- name one Jew in Congress
that is pro-life and has a record of voting against any bill that condones
abortion. Can you name one? I can't! Did you know that the legislation written
by two Jews (one each in the House and Senate) became Law and is now used to
harass abortion protestors such as Operation Rescue? Click this link and see who
these two Jews were and the bill numbers and their exact text that became law:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts%404ax.com&rnum=14
Subject: Operation Rescue West Seeks $500,000 Reward (REPOST)..
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:18:58 -0600
Message-ID: <abts9t01vldb7n7g5vpqeetkt9cd2vp5ts@4ax.com>
Doc Tavish
<end/quote>
Now try to point out where I failed in my documentation or where my editorial
comments weren't relevant to the material. The simple undeniable fact is that
the Catholic Priest Fr. Paul Marx was indeed correct when he boldly stated:
"everyone knows Jews do lead the abortion industry, and I'll thank B'Nai Brith
from the bottom of my heart if they can prove otherwise."
SO FAR IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE!!!!
301 days, Ku Klux Kook.
So now I am a Klansman just because I post material which exposes the Pharisees'
wickedness and hypocrisy which neither you nor any of your bum-buddies is able
to refute or deny? YOU'RE PATHETIC!!!
(at the most, of course)
You gave a count down before you punk and you didn't show up! Self defense is
legal in our state and | | | |
