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27 Jul 2004 01:59:01 PM |
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John Kerry losing major ground |
John Kerry is losing major ground when conventional wisdom dictates the opposite.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/kerry_poll_040726.html
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27 Jul 2004 08:31:36 PM |
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<crossposting ***** fixed>
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<17gm4t2jaqp6u$.dlg@alaska.local>...
John Kerry is losing major ground when conventional wisdom dictates the opposite.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/kerry_poll_040726.html
You have to wonder why Xomicron posts this crap to
alt.tasteless.jokes, alt.spacebastards, alt.abortion,
alt.os.windows-xp, rec.sport.pro-wrestling?
Unless of course, he's only proving himself to be a troll.
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29 Jul 2004 06:51:52 AM |
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On 27 Jul 2004 18:31:36 -0700, (Pr0r3p) wrote:
<crossposting ***** fixed>
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message news:<17gm4t2jaqp6u$.dlg@alaska.local>...
John Kerry is losing major ground when conventional wisdom dictates the opposite.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/kerry_poll_040726.html
You have to wonder why Xomicron posts this crap to
alt.tasteless.jokes, alt.spacebastards, alt.abortion,
alt.os.windows-xp, rec.sport.pro-wrestling?
What the hell is alt.spacebastards?
Unless of course, he's only proving himself to be a troll.
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27 Jul 2004 03:49:08 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:17gm4t2jaqp6u$.dlg@alaska.local...
John Kerry is losing major ground when conventional wisdom dictates the
opposite.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Vote2004/kerry_poll_040726.html
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
It's far easier to stand before the Great Wall of China and say "I'd have
put this stone here, not there" than it was to actually build the wall.
That's the problem with Democrats, they know exactly what they're against
(anything Republican or good for the Country) but they never say what
they're for.
If they did, it'd be something like this:
"I, John Kerry, will raise your taxes, take your guns, ensure the slaughter
of your unborn, have our under-funded military salute and answer to the
orders of the UN, Socialize and therefore ruin healthcare, diminish the
safety of our Country by waffling or not voting on any issues specifically
those pertaining to the gear our military uses, and I will be an ineffective
leader who is indecisive and backpedals constantly. VOTE FOR ME!"
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Jul 2004 12:30:05 AM |
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The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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28 Jul 2004 09:35:13 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Jul 2004 11:03:07 AM |
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jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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28 Jul 2004 12:37:29 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:03:07 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
How about giving me the abridged version? I don't feel like
wading through that web site. Apparently you already know, since
you're behind him, so just list a few main points.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Jul 2004 10:45:40 PM |
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jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
How about giving me the abridged version?
Why?
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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28 Jul 2004 11:51:55 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:45:40 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
How about giving me the abridged version?
Why?
Why would you ask why when I told in the sentence right down
there?
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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29 Jul 2004 12:15:05 AM |
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jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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29 Jul 2004 09:48:57 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cea14o$pg2$1@bolt.sonic.net:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of
intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
You wouldn't know it from your wacko posts.
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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29 Jul 2004 01:34:28 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:15:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
Ya know, Ray, all you're doing is evading the question. You
have no idea what Kerry stands for, so you just keep tap dancing as if
it would fool anyone.
So why not give us a break and state what Kerry stands for or
just don't bother to post at all?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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29 Jul 2004 11:22:08 PM |
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jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:15:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
Ya know, Ray, all you're doing is evading the question. You
have no idea what Kerry stands for,
If you believe what I have to say about Kerry then no wonder you're
a right-wing sheep: You don't like to think for yourself and you
insist on being told what to think.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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30 Jul 2004 09:01:20 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:22:08 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:15:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
Ya know, Ray, all you're doing is evading the question. You
have no idea what Kerry stands for,
If you believe what I have to say about Kerry then no wonder you're
a right-wing sheep: You don't like to think for yourself and you
insist on being told what to think.
Nice post. Once again you fail to state what Kerry stands
for, exposing your ignorance. Quit trying to change the subject.
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| User: "Matty" |
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31 Jul 2004 12:56:52 AM |
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On 31/7/04 12:01 AM, in article u1lkg010qsltu2rad34jrsbcj4vob76dt4@4ax.com,
"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:22:08 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:15:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of
intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
Ya know, Ray, all you're doing is evading the question. You
have no idea what Kerry stands for,
If you believe what I have to say about Kerry then no wonder you're
a right-wing sheep: You don't like to think for yourself and you
insist on being told what to think.
Nice post. Once again you fail to state what Kerry stands
for, exposing your ignorance. Quit trying to change the subject.
Nice to see you didn't take the effort to listen to his speech at the
Democrat Convention.
Matty
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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31 Jul 2004 08:51:00 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:56:52 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
On 31/7/04 12:01 AM, in article u1lkg010qsltu2rad34jrsbcj4vob76dt4@4ax.com,
"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:22:08 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:15:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of
intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
Ya know, Ray, all you're doing is evading the question. You
have no idea what Kerry stands for,
If you believe what I have to say about Kerry then no wonder you're
a right-wing sheep: You don't like to think for yourself and you
insist on being told what to think.
Nice post. Once again you fail to state what Kerry stands
for, exposing your ignorance. Quit trying to change the subject.
Nice to see you didn't take the effort to listen to his speech at the
Democrat Convention.
I wasn't ready to fall asleep yet.
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| User: "Matty" |
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31 Jul 2004 09:01:25 AM |
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On 31/7/04 11:51 PM, in article it8ng0hclpqnfv4ejlam56qle14gc5r7ii@4ax.com,
"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:56:52 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
On 31/7/04 12:01 AM, in article u1lkg010qsltu2rad34jrsbcj4vob76dt4@4ax.com,
"jimpgh2002" <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:22:08 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:15:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
I don't feel like
wading through that web site.
̉There is no slavery but ignorance. Liberty is the child of
intelligence."
Robert G. Ingersoll
I take it from your response that you don't know either.
No wonder you hate liberty.
You're just in favor of Kerry because his name isn't Bush.
I don't hate liberty.
Ya know, Ray, all you're doing is evading the question. You
have no idea what Kerry stands for,
If you believe what I have to say about Kerry then no wonder you're
a right-wing sheep: You don't like to think for yourself and you
insist on being told what to think.
Nice post. Once again you fail to state what Kerry stands
for, exposing your ignorance. Quit trying to change the subject.
Nice to see you didn't take the effort to listen to his speech at the
Democrat Convention.
I wasn't ready to fall asleep yet.
So because it didn't have some banjo twanging music in the background and a
simpleton stumbling over basic words, you chose to ignore a broadcast that
could have possibly informed you about a candidate you claimed you new
nothing about.
Matty
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My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com
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| User: "Wild Bill Taylor" |
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28 Jul 2004 11:49:28 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:03:07 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
KERRY VIETNAM RECORD UNEMBELLISHED
1. To gain a row of medals In Vietnam Kerry undertook aggressive
military maneuvers that killed noncombatants.
All of Kerry's medals came from four months of command of several Navy
Swiftboats used for river patrol. During his period of command Kerry
continually rammed his Swiftboat into an enemy held shore and led
expeditions that killed civilians and a wounded enemy soldier. Such
maneuvers were against policy since the Swiftboat is an unarmored ship
dependent on its speed and maneuverability to avoid being shot and
destroyed by enemy forces. Thus in his quest for medals by off boat
actions, Kerry endangered both civilians and his crew.
While in command of Swift Boat 44 Kerry and his crew fired at targets
carelessly. The unit under Kerry's command did kill some enemy
soldiers. However Kerry and his unit also killed several South
Vietnamese soldiers, a women, her baby, a 12-year old boy, and an
elderly man.
Former assistant secretary of defense and Fletcher School of Diplomacy
professor W. Scott Thompson states: "The fabled and distinguished
chief of naval operations, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me - 30 years
ago when he was still CNO - that during his own command of U.S. naval
forces in Vietnam, just prior to his appointment as CNO, young Kerry
had created great problems for him and the other brass, by killing so
many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military
targets. 'We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under
control,' the admiral said. 'Bud' Zumwalt got it right when he
assessed Kerry as having large ambitions - but promised that his
career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national
stage."
2. To obtain his medals Kerry solicited and received special treatment
unavailable to the average American soldier in Vietnam.
Kerry won all his medals in a four month stint from December 1968 to
March 1969 in command of a Swiftboat or other small craft. The average
draftee assigned to Vietnam was obligated to serve a year in a combat
assignment.
Moreover Kerry collected medals at an incredible speed, particularly
for a soldier who was never seriously injured. Being the commander of
a Swiftboat Kerry could nominate himself for medals for trivial
incidents. Apparently this happened. Other Vietnam veterans state that
it was unheard for any soldier to collect three Purple Hearts and have
no limp. The Purple Heart is given to military personnel wounded on
active duty. Yet Kerry barely lost any time from duty. The chance of
three minor wounds in a row was very low.
John O'Neill, the Naval officer who succeeded Kerry as skipper of one
of the boats and now a distinguished attorney asserts that each of
Kerry's Purple Hearts is "for scratches less than a rose *****. . Each
one involves virtually no serious wound of any kind."
Kerry received his first purple heart for an incident on December 2,
1968. He reported to his superior, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard,
that he had been wounded in his arm by a one-eighth inch granade
fragment. Hibbard states that other people indicated that there was no
enemy fire. Since Kerry's boat did not take enemy fire Hibbard
rejected the request for a purple heart medal. Naval doctor Louis
Letson treated Kerry's injury with a Band-Aid and bacitracin. Dr.
Letson states that unlike Kerry, Kerry's crew members confided that no
enemy fire was received. Instead Kerry fired a mortar round at close
range to some rocks on shore and was hit by a fragment ricocheting
from the rocks. Dr. Letson states this description fits the injury he
found on Kerry.
After his first request for a purple heart was denied, Kerry
transferred to another unit and asked for reconsideration. Through a
combination of his rank, his perseverance in requesting the medal, and
the number of more important matters demanding the attention of his
naval commanders, Kerry got the medal.
The event for which Kerry received the Silver Star is not believable
to other Vietnam veterans. The Silver Star incident supposedly
occurred as a B-40 missile was fired at the boat and missed.
Supposedly an enemy soldier appears with the missile launcher and the
Swiftboat bow gunner wounds the enemy soldier. Kerry then beaches the
boat, shoots the enemy soldier and retrieves the launcher. However
Kerry violated standard procedure in several ways. Kerry should have
ordered the boat to move fifty yards away from the
launcher to be effectively out of range of the missile. Moreover Kerry
according to ordered procedures should not have gotten off the boat in
a hostile area. By taking this action Kerry made his Swiftboat
defenseless. The boat could neither run nor return effective fire.
Kerry put his crew in danger.
A Vietnam veteran has written that in the infantry the Silver Star
award required some action quite extraordinary. An infantry soldier
would not have gotten so much as a "pat in the back" for Kerry's
actions.
Also the enemy soldier shot with a .50 caliber machine gun should not
have been able to get up. There was no reason to go after him. The
missile launcher would be empty. And there were rules against shooting
wounded soldiers which Kerry violated.
It should be mentioned that Kerry used his three questionable Purple
Hearts to leave the service eight months before his tour of duty was
over. O'Neill states: "He [Kerry] then used the three Purple Hearts to
escape from Vietnam.".
3. When an antiwar profile became necessary to Kerry's political
career Kerry falsely accused other soldiers of committing actions he
was responsible for as well as fictitious heinous atrocities.
Kerry was rejected in his bid to run for Congress in 1970. Then he
reinvents himself as a war critic by slandering other Vietnam veterans
who most often did not shoot wounded soldiers or kill non-combatants.
Kerry joined and rapidly maneuvered himself into a leadership position
of the organization Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). At VVAW
theater atrocity trials in Detroit and testifying before the Senate in
April 1971 Kerry made unproved accusations against all American
Vietnam War veterans. Kerry stated that "war crimes committed is
Southeast Asia [are not] isolated incidents but crimes committed on a
day-today basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of
command." Kerry claimed American soldiers routinely "randomly shot at
civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."
Kerry also accused U.S. soldiers of routinely carrying out
search-and-destroy missions and torturing prisoners. In effect Kerry
claimed the My Lai massacre was commonplace.
Kerry claimed his killing of civilians was carrying out a policy with
the "full awareness of officers at all levels". Yet as seen above the
commanding officers disapproved of Kerry's actions. His shooting of a
wounded enemy soldier was against the rules.
Kerry charges against American soldier were not harmless. Kerry's
charges enhanced the hostile reception many Vietnam veterans received
when they returned home from the war. For many veterans jobs were lost
and friendships were denied. Kerry's base and generally false charges
are no minor issue.
During his Vietnam War protest period Kerry claimed to throw away his
medals as an act of dramatic protest. Years later it was revealed the
medals were not his, but those of another veteran who allegedly asked
Kerry to throw away his medals for him. Kerry was thinking about when
he would want to change his profile again.
Bottom Line: People outside the Boston Ivy League elite are totally
expendable to Kerry when he is working to gain power. Kerry is not an
honorable man. Kerry is not and never will be Presidential material.
Resource Materials:
Robert Patterson, Reckless Disregard (Washington: Regnery Publishing,
Inc.) pp. 40-5.
Thomas Lipscomb, "Setting Straight Kerry's War Record" New York Sun,
March 1, 2004.
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28 Jul 2004 10:44:08 PM |
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Wild Bill Taylor <wbt@terranews.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
KERRY VIETNAM RECORD UNEMBELLISHED
The usual smear.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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28 Jul 2004 09:41:31 AM |
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jimpgh2002 <jimpgh2002@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in
news:lbefg050fss66tmojdu4j1q7injt8tfuev@4ax.com:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he
believes in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
Exactly what does he stand for?
Depends on when you ask him.
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| User: "Johnathan A." |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 02:18:59 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 04:45:00 AM |
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"Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
You can't argue with that.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 11:02:01 AM |
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Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead. Typical "morality" of the right-wing bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "WIld Bill Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 11:48:29 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:02:01 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead. Typical "morality" of the right-wing bigot.
Typical thinking of the mush-head liberal - If you don't like me or my
Grand Liberal, you're a bigot and immoral. Go ***** up a rope, boy.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 10:43:44 PM |
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WIld Bill Taylor <wbt@terranews.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:02:01 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead. Typical "morality" of the right-wing bigot.
Typical thinking of the mush-head liberal - If you don't like me or my
And so another neocon shows that they cannot accept responsibility.
It's always somebody else's fault when they get caught lying.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 10:17:40 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:18:59 -0400, Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he believes
in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
Explain why nobody calls Bush on his flip-flops, won't you?
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263
So much for the 'war on terror':
Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old
poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'"
[President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
....BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I
just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that
concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
So much for the major reason for the invasion:
Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the
weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for
those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or
banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush,
Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
....BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay
has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in
and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to
where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war.
Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into
Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to
another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press,
2/7/04]
So much for Homeland Security:
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a
Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies
within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the
answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White
House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
....BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I
ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department
with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of
America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address
to the Nation, 6/6/02]
So much for trying to find out how to prevent another 9/11 attack:
Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President
Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice
his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the
government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News,
5/23/02]
....BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President
Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission
to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose
granting more time to an independent commission investigating the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]
....BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House
announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission
investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete
its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]
One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR...
"President Bush and Vice President ***** Cheney have placed strict
limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal
commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will
meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will
submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said
Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]
....BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to
answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the
clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]
(all excerpted from
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=42263)
Get through all those, won't you?
---
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 10:56:10 AM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:7mgfg0l5sb8113oor4o41pg3nj5t7tro6t@4ax.com:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:18:59 -0400, Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he
believes in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
Explain why nobody calls Bush on his flip-flops, won't you?
Like how Kerry supports and opposes abortion at the same time? Bush's
stance on the issues doesn't change depending on the audience at the time.
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 11:35:36 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:56:10 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:7mgfg0l5sb8113oor4o41pg3nj5t7tro6t@4ax.com:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 03:18:59 -0400, Johnathan A. <japple@privacy.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 05:30:05 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
The Pizzaboi <russell.waters@gmail.com> wrote:
John Kerry has no verve, no charisma, and he's told no one what he
believes in but only what he's against.
You can't argue against what he stands for so you lie about him
instead.
No one knows what he stands for. He flip flops like a fish.
Explain why nobody calls Bush on his flip-flops, won't you?
Like how Kerry supports and opposes abortion at the same time? Bush's
stance on the issues doesn't change depending on the audience at the time.
Oh, balls. His stance on the Iraq invasion (for just one example) has
been blowing in the wind to the rhythm of public opinion polls for the
last year. If you want to criticize Kerry for 'flip flops' at least
have the honesty to criticize Bush as well.
But what am I saying...you wouldn't criticize Bush if he came to your
house and ***** on the rug, as long as he told you it was for 'national
security' or some damn thing.
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a god;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 11:30:29 AM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
Explain why nobody calls Bush on his flip-flops, won't you?
Like how Kerry supports and opposes abortion at the same time?
You lie about Kerry because you cannot deal with what he actually says.
Bush's
stance on the issues doesn't change depending on the audience at the time.
Of course it does. He tells morons like you what you want to hear and
then does something else.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: John Kerry losing major ground |
28 Jul 2004 12:48:39 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:ce8kb4$60f$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
Explain why nobody calls Bush on his flip-flops, won't you?
Like how Kerry supports and opposes abortion at the same time?
You lie about Kerry because you cannot deal with what he actually says.
"I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of
noncombatants were burned to the ground."
--John Kerry
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