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"So the law is slacked and justice never goes forth. For the wicked =
surround the righteous, so justice goes forth perverted." Habakkuk 1:4
The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life =
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his =
name. He comes to us with little history of yea or nea. As a rash young =
lawyer he insists that Roe v. Wade is bad law. As a middle aged high =
court contender he considers Roe "settled law." His politics are the =
same as Pontius Pilate. Pilate knew Jesus to be innocent, yet killed HIM =
to appease the people.
Judge Roberts is a "rubber stamper", a status quo judge. He promises =
to do nothing to change abortion. Among pro-life conservatives, =
mediocrity is a virtue. Hillary Clinton confidently endorses Roberts =
along with Right to Life. Hillary's approval of Roberts makes her appear =
as a moderate.
So why do battles wage for and against Roberts nomination? It is the =
usual fund-raising tactics of both Planned Parenthood, and Right to =
Life. Planned Parenthood tells their donors that Bush is trying to end =
abortion. RTL assures us that Roberts is 100% pro-life. Both cry "GIVE! =
GIVE!"
Right to life offers no serious challenge to end abortion. THERE IS =
REALLY NOTHING FOR THE SUPREME COURT TO CONSIDER! South Dakota was =
prepared to pass legislation to outlaw abortion in March of 2004, but =
RTL joined forces with Planned Parenthood in defeating this legislation!
The Republican Party, in harness with RTL, consistently betrays the =
children slated for abortion. Nixon gave us Harry Blackmun, Ford gave us =
John Paul Stevens, Reagan gave us Sandra Day O'Conner and Anthony =
Kennedy, and George H. Bush (GHB) gave us David Souter.
GHB is a born-again pro-lifer. His miraculous conversion came about =
while he was Reagan's running mate. While a congressman, GHB sponsored =
Title X (Family Planning) legislation, Barbara Bush sat on the board of =
Austin Planned Parenthood. In 2004, their son spent $288.3 million on =
Title X, $33 million more than Bill Clinton! Barbara and Laura Bush are =
unabashedly pro-abortion!
Pro-lifers say that Reagan and Bush were deceived on their nominee's =
records; pro-lifers who believe this are self-deceived.
Judge Robert's wife Jane is also a lawyer. Jane Roberts is a past =
Executive Vice-president of Feminists for Life, she volunteered her =
legal services for its incorporation. Jane was on the board of FFL from =
1995-1999.
FFL is woman centered. They do not believe that abortion is in the =
best woman's interests. "Abortion is a reflection that we have not met =
the needs of women. Women deserve better than abortion." writes Sherrin =
Foster, president of FFL. Foster and her followers consider the woman's =
interests paramount.
Like Right to Life, Feminists for Life appeal to human reason rather =
than ultimate authority of God and his word.
RTL will never admit that for 33 years they have been following a =
failed strategy. They would rather make John Roberts the new pro-life =
standard. The term "pro-life" was rendered meaningless years ago. By RTL =
standards almost everyone is "pro-life". I have had abortionists tell me =
they were pro-life!
Planned Parenthood wants to make abortion safe, legal, and rare. How =
do RTL goals differ from that of PP's? Howard Dean and Democrats for =
Life are trying to make the Democratic Party appear less radical on =
abortion. We see little or no difference in the ideology of either =
party, yet America continues to kill 4000 babies per day!
If we were truly a nation under God we should obey God's commandments. =
We should not spit on the 6th Commandment and the children made in HIS =
image and likeness. God is sovereign over the affairs of men. HE does =
not give mankind permission to murder their children born or unborn.
We cannot work for God without God. We cannot win an appeal based =
solely on human reason. It is idolatry to put our faith and trust in any =
institution, party, or organization. We must put our faith and trust =
solely in God and HIS word. Only then will we be in a position to outlaw =
abortion, sodomy, pornography, and a host of other evils. If we fail, =
others will build on our ashes. I see little hope for change.
Dan Holman
Missionaries to the Pre-born Iowa
P.O. Box 135=20
Keokuk, Iowa 52632
(319) 601-9349
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because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins =
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and =
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consistently betrays the children slated for abortion. Nixon gave us =
Harry=20
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O=92Conner=20
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Souter. GHB=20
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self-deceived. Judge Robert=92s wife Jane is also a lawyer. =
Jane Roberts=20
is a past Executive Vice-president of Feminists for Life, she =
volunteered her=20
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from=20
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abortion is=20
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have not=20
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writes=20
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the=20
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for Life=20
appeal to human reason rather than ultimate authority of God and his=20
word. RTL will never admit that for 33 years they have been =
following a=20
failed strategy. They would rather make John Roberts the new pro-life=20
standard. The term =93pro-life=94 was rendered meaningless years ago. =
By RTL=20
standards almost everyone is =93pro-life=94. I have had abortionists =
tell me they=20
were pro-life! Planned Parenthood wants to make abortion safe, =
legal,=20
and rare. How do RTL goals differ from that of PP=92s? Howard Dean and =
Democrats=20
for Life are trying to make the Democratic Party appear less radical =
on=20
abortion. We see little or no difference in the ideology of either =
party, yet=20
America continues to kill 4000 babies per day! If we were truly =
a=20
nation under God we should obey God=92s commandments. We should not =
spit on the=20
6th Commandment and the children made in HIS image and likeness. God =
is=20
sovereign over the affairs of men. HE does not give mankind permission =
to=20
murder their children born or unborn. We cannot work for God =
without=20
God. We cannot win an appeal based solely on human reason. It is =
idolatry to=20
put our faith and trust in any institution, party, or organization. We =
must=20
put our faith and trust solely in God and HIS word. Only then will we =
be in a=20
position to outlaw abortion, sodomy, pornography, and a host of other =
evils.=20
If we fail, others will build on our ashes. I see little hope for=20
change. Dan Holman Missionaries to the Pre-born=20
Iowa P.O. Box 135 Keokuk, Iowa 52632 (319)=20
601-9349</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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Jesus, I am a=20
sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you =
died on=20
the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask =
you now to=20
come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. <A=20
href=3D"http://www.ArmyofGod.com">http://www.ArmyofGod.com</A>=20
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User: "Shawn Hirn"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 03:19:44 AM

In article <nINFe.1247$MZ6.656@lakeread01>,
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote:

John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'
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By Dan Holman

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"So the law is slacked and justice never goes forth. For the wicked
surround the righteous, so justice goes forth perverted." Habakkuk 1:4

The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life justice
has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his name. He comes
to us with little history of yea or nea. As a rash young lawyer he insists
that Roe v. Wade is bad law. As a middle aged high court contender he
considers Roe "settled law." His politics are the same as Pontius Pilate.
Pilate knew Jesus to be innocent, yet killed HIM to appease the people.

What makes you think John Roberts is pro-life? I have news for you, some
very prominent pro-choice legal scholars agree with John Roberts' view
of the Roe v. Wade decision. One of those people is Alan Dershowitz, who
could never be mistaken as a pro-life supporter if you listen to him.
.

User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	27 Jul 2005 11:29:06 AM

The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life justice
has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his name.
=============
Why should he do anything to overturn RvW when he knows it wont stop women
from aborting? That it will simply drive poor women underground where they
will be taken advantage of and perhaps killed or maimed. Rich women will
simply fly to another country to abort safely.
--
CR.......
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
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"Where two or three are gathered together in MY name, I am in their midst:"
[Matt 18:20] No Watchtower Society needed.
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User: "ouroboros rex"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	27 Jul 2005 01:52:55 PM

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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He will try to overturn it. All that crap of his about 'settled law' and
'precedent' doesn't even touch on overturning it, only interpreting it while
it's still there. And even that's also likely another republican lie.
.

User: "Shawn Hirn"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 03:32:59 AM

In article <dc8l67$lmo$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu>,
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Don't be so sure. Some of the most faithful defenders of women's
reproductive rights on the Supreme Court, such as Sandra Day O'Connor
were appointed by conservative presidents. If Roberts truly is a strict
adherent to the constitution, he can only reach the conclusion that the
federal government has no authority to restrict reproductive rights?
Why? Because nothing in the constitution gives the government that
authority and the default is to assume the government lacks authority on
restricting anything that is not referenced in the constitution, which
means abortion rights are a matter for the states. I suspect Roberts'
opinion on Roe v. Wade may stem only from constitutional issues, not
from the actual controversy surrounding the morality of abortion.
Lawyers have never placed great weight on morality in their practice of
law and I see nothing thus far that would make me believe Roberts is any
different.
The problem with the Republicans who expect abortion rights to be
restricted at the federal level by appointing a strict constitutionalist
to a federal court judgeship is that the United States Constitution
simply does not support their goals. Eventually, the pro-liars will
realize this, but they are slow learners. The only way to make abortion
illegal everywhere in the United States is to pass a constitutional
amendment. Of course, the odds of such an amendment ever seeing the
light of day are slim and nil.
Abortion rights at the federal level will not be reduced if Bush sticks
to his word of appointing strict constitutionalists to federal
judgeships.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	27 Jul 2005 11:47:30 AM

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.
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User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	27 Jul 2005 08:43:51 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his name.
Why should he do anything to overturn RvW when he knows it wont stop women
from aborting? That it will simply drive poor women underground where
they will be taken advantage of and perhaps killed or maimed. Rich women
will simply fly to another country to abort safely.

Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

You're old enough to remember *something* before RvW...and I remember
Cracklin's statement being proved true back then. Even today, it's being
borne out - Eire bans abortions, so (what a surprise) Irish women hop a boat
across to Britain and get it done there.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 08:38:35 AM

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his
name.

Why should he do anything to overturn RvW when he knows it wont stop
women
from aborting? That it will simply drive poor women underground where
they will be taken advantage of and perhaps killed or maimed. Rich
women
will simply fly to another country to abort safely.

Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

No *****, Sherlock.
Kinda makes the baby killers look that much worse.
Now, we see how one nation is against killing babies, while another will
kill them.
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	30 Jul 2005 07:40:41 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e7af41$0$16586$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...

The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his name.
Why should he do anything to overturn RvW when he knows it wont stop
women from aborting? That it will simply drive poor women underground
where they will be taken advantage of and perhaps killed or maimed. Rich
women will simply fly to another country to abort safely.

Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

No *****, Sherlock. Kinda makes the baby killers look that much worse.

Actually, it makes the burnouts like you look that much more stupid.

Now, we see how one nation is against killing babies, while another will
kill them.

We see how you steadfastly refuse to learn from history. Banning abortion in
this country will just send US dollars over the border to Vancouver, Regina,
Calgary, Winnipeg, Windsor, Toronto, Hamilton, Montr�al, Qu�bec, Halifax,
Saint John, Ensenada, Tijuana, Mexicali, Nogales, Ciudad Ju�rez, Piedras
Negras, Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros...get the idea?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	30 Jul 2005 08:09:13 PM

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e7af41$0$16586$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...

The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his
name.

Why should he do anything to overturn RvW when he knows it wont stop
women from aborting? That it will simply drive poor women underground
where they will be taken advantage of and perhaps killed or maimed.
Rich
women will simply fly to another country to abort safely.

Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

No *****, Sherlock. Kinda makes the baby killers look that much worse.

Actually, it makes the burnouts like you look that much more stupid.

Now, we see how one nation is against killing babies, while another will
kill them.

I like it.
.

User: "The Chief Instigator"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	30 Jul 2005 08:19:48 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

[...]

Now, we see how one nation is against killing babies, while another will
kill them.

I like it.

You wouldn't be getting a penny of it. (Not that your drug-induced
hallucination is likely to ever come within a universe of actually being
reality, mind you.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 10:34:35 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his
name.

Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

=================================

No *****, Sherlock.
Kinda makes the baby killers look that much worse.

$$ What baby killers? You know people rounding up children and killing
them?

Now, we see how one nation is against killing babies, while another will
kill them.

$$ You mean there are squads out there shooting babies right in their
carriages and strollers? At least you now admit women will go abroad to
abort if abortion is illegal where she lives. We're making progress.
--
CR........
Well, then, have I become YOUR enemy because I tell YOU the truth?
Galatians 4:16 NWT
====================================================
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User: "Sneekers"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	31 Jul 2005 07:19:27 AM

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:38:35 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:

"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
news:42e7af41$0$16586$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...

The moment of truth has arrived. The promised conservative pro-life
justice has been chosen. John Roberts appears to be as bland as his
name.

Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

No *****, Sherlock.
Kinda makes the baby killers look that much worse.

You fail to realize, welfare-whoreslut, that rarely do women and girls
die from complications from abortions. In fact the longer the
pregnancy progresses, the greater the risk that will come to them.
It is reported that childbirth is eleven times more likely to kill a
woman/girl than abortion, by the way.
.

User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	31 Jul 2005 05:27:47 PM

"Sneekers" <coadviolators@mail.com> wrote in message
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It is reported that childbirth is eleven times more likely to kill a
woman/girl than abortion, by the way.

=========================
They'll thump their bible in your face and shriek, "It's god's will" when a
woman dies giving birth. Remember, to a fundy we're second class citizens
not worthy of being treated any better than women were in biblical times.
--
CR..........
http://www.intrex.net/talley/list7_13.html
So many sheep, so much fleecing.
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User: "Sneekers"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	31 Jul 2005 06:28:39 PM

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:27:47 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:

"Sneekers" <coadviolators@mail.com> wrote in message
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It is reported that childbirth is eleven times more likely to kill a
woman/girl than abortion, by the way.

That's a sad reality. I don't realize that some of them are completely
aware of what their championing.
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	31 Jul 2005 08:11:03 PM

Sneekers <coadviolators@mail.com> wrote in
news:aknqe1d795utefkv0v59jqjkqbgeh2vu11@4ax.com:

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:27:47 -0500, "Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote:

They'll thump their bible in your face and shriek, "It's god's will"
when a woman dies giving birth. Remember, to a fundy we're second
class citizens not worthy of being treated any better than women were
in biblical times.

That's a sad reality. I don't realize that some of them are completely
aware of what their championing.

oh i think they're perfectly aware; they're just ashamed so they pretend
they're more ignorant than they really are.
.

User: "Sneekers"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	31 Jul 2005 07:11:06 AM

You fail to realize, welfare-whoreslut, that rarely do women and girls
die from complications from abortions. In fact the longer the pregnancy
progresses the greater the risk that will come to them. It is reported
that childbirth is elevn times likely to kill a woman than an abortion.
.

User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	27 Jul 2005 12:04:37 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal again.
Will the anti-choice crowd build huge pregnancy-prisons to keep all the
pregnant women where they can be watched? Who will check each woman of
child bearing age each month and who will pay for these tests? Explain in
detail how abortion will be stopped. And stop your vain speculations that
these prisons will come into being, and woman, with gun to head, will enter
them for 9 months, male chauvinist pig!
--
CR..........
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average
for the population at large:
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z38234.4565046296@anonymous.poster
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 08:33:49 AM

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.
Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.
If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her, we can
put that person in jail.
If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can imprison
her, too.
It really wouldn't bother me at all.

Will the anti-choice crowd build huge pregnancy-prisons to keep all the
pregnant women where they can be watched? Who will check each woman of
child bearing age each month and who will pay for these tests? Explain in
detail how abortion will be stopped. And stop your vain speculations that
these prisons will come into being, and woman, with gun to head, will
enter them for 9 months, male chauvinist pig!

All of your fruitcake ideas are really not what will happen.
.

User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 10:23:02 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message

So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.

$$ How will you find them? They thrived and were seldom caught prior to
RvW. How will you stop wealthy women from flying to other countries for
their abortions as they did before RvW?

Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.

$$ You are against them. You want to FORCE them to bear unwanted fetuses to
their detriment. How is that being FOR women?

If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her, we
can put that person in jail.

$$ How will you find them? They thrived and were seldom caught prior to
RvW.

If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can imprison
her, too.

$$ PUNISH her? Why? For being desperate? How will that stop other
desperate women from trying to abort themselves - it didn't stop them before
RvW.

It really wouldn't bother me at all.

$$ Of course not - you DESPISE women and want any who disagree with you to
SUFFER.

Will the anti-choice crowd build huge pregnancy-prisons to keep all the
pregnant women where they can be watched? Who will check each woman of
child bearing age each month and who will pay for these tests? Explain
in detail how abortion will be stopped. And stop your vain speculations
that these prisons will come into being, and woman, with gun to head,
will enter them for 9 months, male chauvinist pig!

All of your fruitcake ideas are really not what will happen.

$$ But that's the only way to make sure they don't abort, nutty-boy! :-)
How else can you make sure other than keeping them confined and under watch?
Woman have aborted since time began, starting with certain herbs they knew
would work.
--
CR.....
http://www.intrex.net/talley/list7_13.html
So many sheep, so much fleecing.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 11:46:34 AM

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message

So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.

$$ How will you find them? They thrived and were seldom caught prior to
RvW. How will you stop wealthy women from flying to other countries for
their abortions as they did before RvW?

Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.

$$ You are against them. You want to FORCE them to bear unwanted fetuses
to their detriment. How is that being FOR women?

If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her, we
can put that person in jail.

$$ How will you find them?

Just like in any other case that involves someone who breaks the law.
If they aren't caught they won't be jailed.
However, if there is a statute of limitations imposed on performing
unauthorized abortions, how long will they need to hide their secret?

They thrived and were seldom caught prior to RvW.

They did not thrive as much as after Roe V Wade went into effect.

If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.

$$ PUNISH her?

You still resorting to sexism?
Why do you think we would jail a man who performs an illegal abortion and we
would not jail a woman who transgresses the same law?

Why?

Because sexism in law is not equal measure practice.

For being desperate?

No. For breaking the law.

How will that stop other desperate women from trying to abort
themselves - it didn't stop them before RvW.

Maybe there won't be as many desperate women as you seem to think there will
be.
If an adequate investigation is performed, maybe the woman who is desperate
will have recourse against the man who impregnated her, and can avoid prison
time.

It really wouldn't bother me at all.

$$ Of course not - you DESPISE women and want any who disagree with you to
SUFFER.

You are not understanding me well.

Will the anti-choice crowd build huge pregnancy-prisons to keep all the
pregnant women where they can be watched? Who will check each woman of
child bearing age each month and who will pay for these tests? Explain
in detail how abortion will be stopped. And stop your vain speculations
that these prisons will come into being, and woman, with gun to head,
will enter them for 9 months, male chauvinist pig!

All of your fruitcake ideas are really not what will happen.

$$ But that's the only way to make sure they don't abort, nutty-boy! :-)

In your limited mind?

How else can you make sure other than keeping them confined and under
watch?

That is your method, police state social order?

Woman have aborted since time began, starting with certain herbs they knew
would work.

All women aborted since time began?
Your lie is exposed.
.

User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 03:10:08 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message

If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her, we
can put that person in jail.

$$ How will you find them?

## You tell me since they existed for ages.

They thrived and were seldom caught prior to RvW.

They did not thrive as much as after Roe V Wade went into effect.

## Of course not since safe clean abortion was available and legal. Aren't
you glad safe legal abortion put them out of business?

If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.

$$ PUNISH her?

You still resorting to sexism?

## Are you?

Why do you think we would jail a man who performs an illegal abortion and
we would not jail a woman who transgresses the same law?

## Why should we?

Why?

Because sexism in law is not equal measure practice.

## That's irrelevant to a woman seeking abortion.

For being desperate?

No. For breaking the law.

## Whose law? Yours? No one has a right to force a woman to bear an
unwanted child.

How will that stop other desperate women from trying to abort
themselves - it didn't stop them before RvW.

Maybe there won't be as many desperate women as you seem to think there
will be.

## How many do you think there will be?

If an adequate investigation is performed, maybe the woman who is
desperate will have recourse against the man who impregnated her, and can
avoid prison time.

## HOW SEXIST of you!

It really wouldn't bother me at all.

$$ Of course not - you DESPISE women and want any who disagree with you
to SUFFER.

You are not understanding me well.

## You make your feelings and intentions pretty easily understood.

Will the anti-choice crowd build huge pregnancy-prisons to keep all the
pregnant women where they can be watched? Who will check each woman of
child bearing age each month and who will pay for these tests? Explain
in detail how abortion will be stopped. And stop your vain
speculations that these prisons will come into being, and woman, with
gun to head, will enter them for 9 months, male chauvinist pig!

All of your fruitcake ideas are really not what will happen.

$$ But that's the only way to make sure they don't abort, nutty-boy! :-)

In your limited mind?

## How else will people like YOU make sure no woman abort other than locking
them up?

How else can you make sure other than keeping them confined and under
watch?

That is your method, police state social order?

## No, that's YOUR method since nothing else will work.

Woman have aborted since time began, starting with certain herbs they
knew would work.

All women aborted since time began?

## You see the word ALL? Where? Here, read it again. "Woman have aborted
since time began, starting with certain herbs they knew would work." Where
is the word "ALL?"

Your lie is exposed.

## Your seeing things that are not there is exposed. :-)
--
CR.........
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
Make sure of which Cracklin' you're replying to - the TROLL from
alt.religion.jehovahs-witn is using other people's names to bypass
killfiles. There are now TWO Cracklin's and TWO Reel McKoi's posting here.
There is no limit to how low a religious fanatic will stoop to silence
someone or get an audience for themselves when ignored.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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User: "Sid9"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 11:54:06 AM

Johnny wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message

So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become
illegal again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.

$$ How will you find them? They thrived and were seldom caught
prior to RvW. How will you stop wealthy women from flying to other
countries for their abortions as they did before RvW?

Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.

$$ You are against them. You want to FORCE them to bear unwanted
fetuses to their detriment. How is that being FOR women?

If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on
her, we can put that person in jail.

$$ How will you find them?

They thrived and were seldom caught prior to RvW.

They did not thrive as much as after Roe V Wade went into effect.

If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.

$$ PUNISH her?

You still resorting to sexism?
Why do you think we would jail a man who performs an illegal abortion
and we would not jail a woman who transgresses the same law?

Why?

Because sexism in law is not equal measure practice.

For being desperate?

No. For breaking the law.

How will that stop other desperate women from trying to abort
themselves - it didn't stop them before RvW.

Maybe there won't be as many desperate women as you seem to think
there will be.
If an adequate investigation is performed, maybe the woman who is
desperate will have recourse against the man who impregnated her, and
can avoid prison time.

It really wouldn't bother me at all.

$$ Of course not - you DESPISE women and want any who disagree with
you to SUFFER.

You are not understanding me well.

Will the anti-choice crowd build huge pregnancy-prisons to keep
all the pregnant women where they can be watched? Who will check
each woman of child bearing age each month and who will pay for
these tests? Explain in detail how abortion will be stopped. And
stop your vain speculations that these prisons will come into
being, and woman, with gun to head, will enter them for 9 months,
male chauvinist pig!

All of your fruitcake ideas are really not what will happen.

$$ But that's the only way to make sure they don't abort, nutty-boy! :-)

In your limited mind?

How else can you make sure other than keeping them confined and under
watch?

That is your method, police state social order?

Woman have aborted since time began, starting with certain herbs
they knew would work.

All women aborted since time began?
Your lie is exposed.

Abortion was legal in 1830 and was advertised.
http://www.nd.edu/~tas/seminars2000/bederman.html
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 07:26:31 PM

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Abortion was legal in 1830 and was advertised.

http://www.nd.edu/~tas/seminars2000/bederman.html

Do you have anything more informative than that?
How do I know that abortion on demand, as it is today, was legal in all the
States in the USA in 1830?
.

User: "Sid9"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 07:56:48 PM

Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Abortion was legal in 1830 and was advertised.

http://www.nd.edu/~tas/seminars2000/bederman.html

Do you have anything more informative than that?
How do I know that abortion on demand, as it is today, was legal in
all the States in the USA in 1830?

Use GOOGLE or YAHOO and see what you can find
.

User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 07:56:23 PM

Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Abortion was legal in 1830 and was advertised.

http://www.nd.edu/~tas/seminars2000/bederman.html

Do you have anything more informative than that?
How do I know that abortion on demand, as it is today, was legal in all the
States in the USA in 1830?

By doing some of your own research. By looking at when laws were
passed that prohibited abortion, and realizing that actions are allowed
and legal if they are not prohibited. By noting the fact that people
do not usually bluntly advertise illegal services in major papers and
magazines.
Mark Sebree
.

User: "Sid9"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 10:03:01 AM

Johnny wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.
Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.
If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her,
we can put that person in jail.
If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.
It really wouldn't bother me at all.

Only poor women who want abortions will be affected.
Women with enough money for an airline ticket and
the cost of the doctor will get whatever they want outside of the US.
The attack on Roe V Wade is also an attack on poor
women destined to drive them deeper into despair and poverty.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 11:39:57 AM

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.
Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.
If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her,
we can put that person in jail.
If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.
It really wouldn't bother me at all.

Only poor women who want abortions will be affected.

How so?
If rich women can not obtain abortions here, how will they be unaffected by
abortion being illegal?

Women with enough money for an airline ticket and
the cost of the doctor will get whatever they want outside of the US.

Which tells me that there won;t be so many rich women going overseas for an
abortion.

The attack on Roe V Wade is also an attack on poor
women destined to drive them deeper into despair and poverty.

Roe, et al V Wade was a case for poor women?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
.

User: "Sid9"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 11:45:53 AM

Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become
illegal again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.
Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.
If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her,
we can put that person in jail.
If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.
It really wouldn't bother me at all.

Only poor women who want abortions will be affected.

How so?
If rich women can not obtain abortions here, how will they be
unaffected by abortion being illegal?

Women with enough money for an airline ticket and
the cost of the doctor will get whatever they want outside of the US.

Which tells me that there won;t be so many rich women going overseas
for an abortion.

The attack on Roe V Wade is also an attack on poor
women destined to drive them deeper into despair and poverty.

Roe, et al V Wade was a case for poor women?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Where do you get your logic? In K-Mart?
.

User: "Cracklin"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 10:29:27 AM

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.
Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.
If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her,
we can put that person in jail.
If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.
It really wouldn't bother me at all.

Only poor women who want abortions will be affected.
Women with enough money for an airline ticket and
the cost of the doctor will get whatever they want outside of the US.

$$ Don't be surprised if people like Johnny start to demand that all women
who plan to fly to some other country submit to pregnancy tests. If they're
pregnant they'll be refused a ticket to leave.

The attack on Roe V Wade is also an attack on poor
women destined to drive them deeper into despair and poverty.

$$ That's the whole idea behind most anti-choicer thinking = PUNISH that
******* for having the gall, the utter audacity to have sex! How DARE a
woman enjoy sex and not want a baby???? HOW DARE SHE? They feel that's the
price she and the child they force her to bear must pay for her slutism.
Never mind the large numbers of married women who abort. You know, all
those <sarcasm> filthy sluts having sex with their sex crazed
*****-mongering husbands.........
--
CR.....
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as
erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
[Cardinal Bellarmine 1615, during the trial of Galileo]
================================
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User: "Geo"
Title: Re: John Roberts Defines 'Pro-Life'	28 Jul 2005 10:20:50 AM

Sid9 wrote:

Johnny wrote:

"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Cracklin'" <c@c.c> wrote in message
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Vain speculation, abortionist pig.

===========================
So tell us how you plan to prevent abortion should it become illegal
again.

Easy. The person who performs the illegal abortion will be jailed.
Every person who thinks that I am against women is a real nutcasse.
If someone other than the woman performs an illegal abortion on her,
we can put that person in jail.
If the woman performs an illegal abortion on herself, then we can
imprison her, too.
It really wouldn't bother me at all.

Only poor women who want abortions will be affected.
Women with enough money for an airline ticket and
the cost of the doctor will get whatever they want outside of the US.

Why do you say "outside of the US"?

The attack on Roe V Wade is also an attack on poor
women destined to drive them deeper into despair and poverty.

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