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"Gactimus" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:31:37 AM |
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Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!" |
After going around huffing and a-puffing that, if Bush
wanted a debate about Vietnam, "Here is my answer: BRING.
IT. ON," Kerry has now gone to ground and is demanding Bush
call it off. Meanwhile, his lawyers are threatening suits
and the campaign's complained to the Federal Election
Commission to get the Swift vets taken off air.
If this campaign were any more inept, Michael Moore would
be making a documentary claiming Kerry's a Republican plant
secretly controlled by Karl Rove and the House of Saud.
Read more at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/08/24/do2402.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/08/24/ixopinion.html
If John Kerry can't build a campaign organization that
can de-fang 250 guys spending a million bucks, how good a
president could he possibly be? Instead he's wasting his
campaign cash on ads trying to explain that he didn't lie
all that much about Vietnam, and besides Edwards has nice
hair.
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| User: "rstro" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!" |
24 Aug 2004 10:07:20 AM |
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He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that are
currently affectign this country--and we all know George The Monkey can't do
that!
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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After going around huffing and a-puffing that, if Bush
wanted a debate about Vietnam, "Here is my answer: BRING.
IT. ON," Kerry has now gone to ground and is demanding Bush
call it off. Meanwhile, his lawyers are threatening suits
and the campaign's complained to the Federal Election
Commission to get the Swift vets taken off air.
If this campaign were any more inept, Michael Moore would
be making a documentary claiming Kerry's a Republican plant
secretly controlled by Karl Rove and the House of Saud.
Read more at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/08/24/do2402.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/08/24/ixopinion.html
If John Kerry can't build a campaign organization that
can de-fang 250 guys spending a million bucks, how good a
president could he possibly be? Instead he's wasting his
campaign cash on ads trying to explain that he didn't lie
all that much about Vietnam, and besides Edwards has nice
hair.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!" |
27 Aug 2004 09:25:48 AM |
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"rstro" <rstro@optonline.net> wrote in
news:IQIWc.30529$Nk4.12432149@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
are currently affectign this country--
Someone needs to tell that to John Kerry. Did you know he served in Vietnam?
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!" |
24 Aug 2004 01:58:04 PM |
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"rstro" <rstro@optonline.net> wrote in message
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He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
are currently affectign this country--and we all know George The
Monkey can't do that!
No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the basis of
his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry is running on his
record of military service during the Vietnam War. Discussing the issues
that are currently affecting this country will mean a landslide for Bush.
Kerry knows that, that's why he's making Vietnam the issue.
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| User: "David Fritzinger" |
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24 Aug 2004 05:00:50 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<0dMWc.2639$Y%3.156@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"rstro" <rstro@optonline.net> wrote in message
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He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
are currently affectign this country--and we all know George The
Monkey can't do that!
No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the basis of
his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry is running on his
record of military service during the Vietnam War. Discussing the issues
that are currently affecting this country will mean a landslide for Bush.
Kerry knows that, that's why he's making Vietnam the issue.
Bush is running on his record? Where? How? It appears he is trying to
trash Kerry as much as possible, because he knows he has no record to
run on.
--
Dave Fritzinger
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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24 Aug 2004 05:08:22 PM |
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"David Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bush is running on his record?
Yes.
Where?
Everywhere?
How?
In every way.
It appears he is trying to trash Kerry as much as possible, because
he knows he has no record to run on.
What has Bush done or said to trash Kerry? Bush's has a fine record on
defense, foreign policy, and the economy upon which to run. His record on
domestic spending is bad, however.
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| User: "David Galehouse" |
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24 Aug 2004 07:27:23 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message
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"David Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bush is running on his record?
Yes.
Where?
Everywhere?
How?
In every way.
It appears he is trying to trash Kerry as much as possible, because
he knows he has no record to run on.
What has Bush done or said to trash Kerry? Bush's has a fine record on
defense, foreign policy, and the economy upon which to run. His record on
domestic spending is bad, however.
Fine record? Oh my god! You can't be serious! His surrogates are doing
everything possible to prevent a dialog about Bush's abysmal record! He's an
utter failure. Worse president ever -- by far. You're a brainwashed fool.
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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24 Aug 2004 07:49:11 PM |
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"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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What has Bush done or said to trash Kerry? Bush's has a fine record
on defense, foreign policy, and the economy upon which to run. His
record on domestic spending is bad, however.
Fine record?
Yes, I'll stand by what I wrote.
Oh my god! You can't be serious!
Why not?
His surrogates are doing everything possible to prevent a dialog about
Bush's abysmal record!
What's your evidence of that? What's abysmal about his record?
He's an utter failure. Worse president ever -- by far. You're a
brainwashed fool.
Nonsense. He's not the best, but he's certainly far from the worst. He
achieved more in his first year than his predecessor achieved in eight.
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| User: "David Galehouse" |
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24 Aug 2004 08:21:36 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in message
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"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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What has Bush done or said to trash Kerry? Bush's has a fine record
on defense, foreign policy, and the economy upon which to run. His
record on domestic spending is bad, however.
Fine record?
Yes, I'll stand by what I wrote.
Like a scarecrow watching over the corn.
Oh my god! You can't be serious!
Why not?
Becuase your assertion is laughable. If you are serious, you must be a
complete idiot. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
His surrogates are doing everything possible to prevent a dialog about
Bush's abysmal record!
What's your evidence of that? What's abysmal about his record?
I don't have time to list all of his failures, so let's just start with the
fact that he let his guard down before 9/11, in the face of many suggestions
that he ought to do otherwise, and then started an ill-advised war in Iraq
based on hidden agendas and lies. I'm not interested in getting into a
debate about this assertion with you. It's an accurate assessment of Bush's
actions (and inactions). Deal with it.
He's an utter failure. Worse president ever -- by far. You're a
brainwashed fool.
Nonsense. He's not the best, but he's certainly far from the worst. He
achieved more in his first year than his predecessor achieved in eight.
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it. His
presidency has been a disaster. He's finished.
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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24 Aug 2004 08:48:05 PM |
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"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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Becuase your assertion is laughable. If you are serious, you must be a
complete idiot. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Why is it laughable?
I don't have time to list all of his failures, so let's just start with
the
fact that he let his guard down before 9/11,
How so?
in the face of many suggestions that he ought to do otherwise,
What suggestions?
and then started an ill-advised war in Iraq based on hidden agendas and
lies.
What hidden agendas? What lies? The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
I'm not interested in getting into a debate about this assertion with you.
It's unlikely you're capable of debating this issue.
It's an accurate assessment of Bush's
actions (and inactions). Deal with it.
It's just your uninformed, illogical opinion.
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
His presidency has been a disaster. He's finished.
His presidency, while imperfect, can only be judged a success by any
objective observer. He will be reelected.
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| User: "Snit" |
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24 Aug 2004 08:51:48 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48 PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
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He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what is
"the right thing to do".
--
"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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24 Aug 2004 08:57:27 PM |
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48 PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
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| User: "Snit" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:00:05 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
bmSWc.3096$Y%3.1939@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:57 PM:
"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48 PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars result in
death and destruction...
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also achieved
a horrid reputation for the US, a massive debt, etc.
--
"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:06:36 PM |
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
bmSWc.3096$Y%3.1939@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:57 PM:
"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48
PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what
is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars result
in
death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also
achieved
a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
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| User: "Snit" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:13:45 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
MuSWc.3106$Y%3.2719@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 7:06 PM:
"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48
PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what
is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars result in
death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
Yes, I was surprised I had to spell that out for you. No big deal... I see
you have accepted it quickly. I can respect that.
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also achieved
a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
In a word: Bush.
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
True... esp. after the Reagan years... but Bush has created a massive
deficit from a respectable surplus.
--
"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "Steven P. McNicoll" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:36:11 PM |
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48
PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of
what
is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars
result in
death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
Yes, I was surprised I had to spell that out for you. No big deal... I
see
you have accepted it quickly. I can respect that.
What caused you to believe you had to spell it out for me?
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also
achieved
a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
In a word: Bush.
You should refrain from using terms you cannot define.
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
True... esp. after the Reagan years... but Bush has created a massive
deficit from a respectable surplus.
What Bush policies caused a massive deficit?
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| User: "Snit" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:43:10 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
vWSWc.3139$Y%3.2862@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 7:36 PM:
"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48
PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars result
in death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
Yes, I was surprised I had to spell that out for you. No big deal... I see
you have accepted it quickly. I can respect that.
What caused you to believe you had to spell it out for me?
Your comments.
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also
achieved a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
In a word: Bush.
You should refrain from using terms you cannot define.
I am not guilty of doing so.
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
True... esp. after the Reagan years... but Bush has created a massive
deficit from a respectable surplus.
What Bush policies caused a massive deficit?
Spending more than the government is bringing in. While technically this is
from Congress, Bush does put budgets forward to Congress. And, of course,
his party is in control in Congress.
As to the specifics, it really does not matter. We can theorize on that all
day... and may never agree. The fact we can look up, and unless you are one
of Steve Carroll's sock puppets, that should be the end of it.
--
"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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24 Aug 2004 09:53:18 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04
6:48
PM:
The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
...
He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of
what is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars
result
in death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
Yes, I was surprised I had to spell that out for you. No big deal... I
see
you have accepted it quickly. I can respect that.
What caused you to believe you had to spell it out for me?
Your comments.
Which comments did you not understand?
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also
achieved a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
In a word: Bush.
You should refrain from using terms you cannot define.
I am not guilty of doing so.
You indicated you did not know what :horrid reputation" meant.
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
True... esp. after the Reagan years... but Bush has created a massive
deficit from a respectable surplus.
What Bush policies caused a massive deficit?
Spending more than the government is bringing in.
Agreed, but that policy did not start with Bush.
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| User: "Snit" |
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24 Aug 2004 09:56:34 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
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He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of
what is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars
result
in death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
Yes, I was surprised I had to spell that out for you. No big deal... I
see
you have accepted it quickly. I can respect that.
What caused you to believe you had to spell it out for me?
Your comments.
Which comments did you not understand?
No. I did not.
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also
achieved a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
In a word: Bush.
You should refrain from using terms you cannot define.
I am not guilty of doing so.
You indicated you did not know what :horrid reputation" meant.
No. I did not.
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
True... esp. after the Reagan years... but Bush has created a massive
deficit from a respectable surplus.
What Bush policies caused a massive deficit?
Spending more than the government is bringing in.
Agreed, but that policy did not start with Bush.
Under Clinton we had a surplus.
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Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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24 Aug 2004 10:07:28 PM |
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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No. I did not.
Yes you did. You indicated some of my comments caused you to believe
something that was not so. If you tell me which ones I'm sure I can
rephrase them in simpler language. That's the only way you're going to
learn.
No. I did not.
Yes you did. Review the thread.
Under Clinton we had a surplus.
Yes, but not due to Clinton policy.
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24 Aug 2004 10:14:09 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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No. I did not.
Yes you did.
No, I did not.
You indicated some of my comments caused you to believe something that was not
so. If you tell me which ones I'm sure I can rephrase them in simpler
language. That's the only way you're going to learn.
You have shown me nothing that makes me think you are capable of teaching me
anything... you have shown poor understanding of the topic at hand, to the
point that you seemed unaware that war causes death and destruction. If you
rectify that situation, perhaps we can have a meaningful conversation. If
not, suit yourself. There are other trolls I can mess with. :)
No. I did not.
Yes you did.
No. I did not.
Review the thread.
Done.
Under Clinton we had a surplus.
Yes, but not due to Clinton policy.
Perhaps you think pixies cursed the Bush term?
We can argue the why's all day... the facts are not in question: there was
an impressive and healthy surplus before Bush. When Bush and his party
started running the show, the surplus went away and we dove into horrid
deficits.
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"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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24 Aug 2004 10:25:26 PM |
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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No, I did not.
One need only review your messages to see that you did.
You have shown me nothing that makes me think you are capable
of teaching me anything...
Sorry, I wasn't aware of your learning disability. Pity, as there is much I
could teach you otherwise.
you have shown poor understanding of the topic at hand,
Actually, it's you that has shown a poor understanding of the topic. No
doubt at least partially due to your learning disability.
to the point that you seemed unaware that war causes death and
destruction.
Yes, you indicated earlier that you did not understand my comments.
If you rectify that situation, perhaps we can have a meaningful
conversation.
Unlikely. In order for that to be possible you'd have to get up to speed on
the topics we've been attempting to discuss. Your learning disability won't
allow that.
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24 Aug 2004 10:33:22 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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No, I did not.
One need only review your messages to see that you did.
Your claim is stated without support.
You have shown me nothing that makes me think you are capable
of teaching me anything...
Sorry, I wasn't aware of your learning disability. Pity, as there is much I
could teach you otherwise.
Your claim is stated without support.
you have shown poor understanding of the topic at hand,
Actually, it's you that has shown a poor understanding of the topic. No
doubt at least partially due to your learning disability.
Your claim is stated without support.
to the point that you seemed unaware that war causes death and
destruction.
Yes, you indicated earlier that you did not understand my comments.
Your claim is stated without support.
If you rectify that situation, perhaps we can have a meaningful
conversation.
Unlikely.
Agreed. It is unlikely you will be able to rectify the situation by showing
you have any meaningful understanding
In order for that to be possible you'd have to get up to speed on the topics
we've been attempting to discuss. Your learning disability won't allow that.
Your claim is stated without support.
I could not help but notice you made several claims while offering no proof
or support. While this does not prove your claims are false, as Steve
Carroll would claim, it does not lead me to believe anything you claim,
either.
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"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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24 Aug 2004 10:38:01 PM |
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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One need only review your messages to see that you did.
Your claim is stated without support.
No, the support is your messages. They're still available in this thread.
I could not help but notice you made several claims while offering no
proof
or support.
What claims do you believe were not supported?
While this does not prove your claims are false, as Steve
Carroll would claim, it does not lead me to believe anything you claim,
either.
Who's Steve Carroll?
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24 Aug 2004 11:08:48 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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One need only review your messages to see that you did.
Your claim is stated without support.
No, the support is your messages. They're still available in this thread.
Your claim is stated without support.
I could not help but notice you made several claims while offering no proof
or support.
What claims do you believe were not supported?
I indicated them in my messages. They're still available in this thread.
While this does not prove your claims are false, as Steve
Carroll would claim, it does not lead me to believe anything you claim,
either.
Who's Steve Carroll?
A horrid little troll. For more information on Steve Carroll's trolling,
see:
http://smallurl.com/?i=17425
http://smallurl.com/?i=17426
Steve has argued such idiotic things such as if you trust legal dictionaries
over him on matters of definitions in legal context then you are "confused".
Just for a change of topic, so we do not have to go back and forth with they
yes I did - no you didn't BS, let me ask you some completely unrelated
questions.
* Do you think some innocent people are found guilty in courts?
* Do you think some guilty people are found "not guilty" in courts?
* Is it possible to be guilty of breaking the law yet not charged with the
crime?
Keep all of this in a legal context - in other words, the word "guilty" does
not mean feelings of guilty or anything else other than what it would in a
legal context.
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"If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law."
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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25 Aug 2004 12:50:48 PM |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"Snit" <snit-nospam@cableone.net> wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
pdSWc.3084$Y%3.2743@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net on 8/24/04 6:48
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The war in Iraq was the right thing to do.
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He achieved death and destruction and little else. Deal with it.
What death and destruction is Bush responsible for?
You answered your own question... though you have a funny idea of what is
"the right thing to do".
Actually, I didn't, but I'm sure you're convinced that I have.
Well, did not think I would have to spell it out for you, but wars result
in death and destruction...
Yes they do. Were you surprised by that?
Yes, I was surprised I had to spell that out for you. No big deal... I see
you have accepted it quickly. I can respect that.
What caused you to believe you had to spell it out for me?
Your comments.
though I guess the "little else" may be in question - Bush has also
achieved a horrid reputation for the US,
How do you define "horrid reputation"?
In a word: Bush.
You should refrain from using terms you cannot define.
I am not guilty of doing so.
a massive debt, etc.
The US had massive debt long before Bush became president.
True... esp. after the Reagan years... but Bush has created a massive
deficit from a respectable surplus.
What Bush policies caused a massive deficit?
Spending more than the government is bringing in. While technically this is
from Congress, Bush does put budgets forward to Congress. And, of course,
his party is in control in Congress.
As to the specifics, it really does not matter. We can theorize on that all
day... and may never agree. The fact we can look up, and unless you are one
of Steve Carroll's sock puppets, that should be the end of it.
Actually, McNicoll is his own unique troll. He appears to specialize
in doing just what he is doing here, namely "refuting by assertion" He
rarely backs up what he says, and is, basically, a useless poster. I
would rate him in a similar category as Snubis (aka Xomicron or
Gactimus).
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:48:05 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
<roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
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"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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Becuase your assertion is laughable. If you are serious, you must be a
complete idiot. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Why is it laughable?
Because, you're not a far-leftwing sycophant, you anything you say is
irrelevant!
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Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"I wanted a car I could run down pedestrians with. But one with a comfy ride, like a sofa on wheels." - Father Haskell
"No doubt about it, 9-11 was orchestrated by Lockheed." - *lexa 'connects the dots' 4/27/04 (cg5t80pl73d7r1s8113tqd19qse0ji0nrq@4ax.com)
"Nope, Lockheed provided the cover for 9-11 due to abuses of it's system. They're guilty as charged. But ultimately it was Bechtel who concocted the
9-11 events." Alexa connects some totally different dots. 8/6/04 (n3p8h0lvp0u3tj0j4vi7gjmo069gb96fhm@4ax.com)
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(David Fritzinger) wrote in
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"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote in
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"rstro" <rstro@optonline.net> wrote in message
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He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues
that are currently affectign this country--and we all know George
The Monkey can't do that!
No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the
basis of his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry
is running on his record of military service during the Vietnam War.
Discussing the issues that are currently affecting this country will
mean a landslide for Bush. Kerry knows that, that's why he's making
Vietnam the issue.
Bush is running on his record? Where? How? It appears he is trying to
trash Kerry as much as possible, because he knows he has no record to
run on.
Oh, Bush has a "record" Dave, but not one that he nor anyone else would
want to run on. He will lose in November and I don't think it will even
be close. That's just my opinion.
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24 Aug 2004 05:32:41 PM |
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BOB <SD> wrote in news:Xns954F9BD50919ESD@153.80.109.11:
He will lose in November and I don't think it will even be close.
Well, you got one out of two right.
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:Xns954FBCAEDA4D9PQ@alaska.local:
BOB <SD> wrote in news:Xns954F9BD50919ESD@153.80.109.11:
He will lose in November and I don't think it will even be close.
Well, you got one out of two right.
You didn't.
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In article <0dMWc.2639$Y%3.156@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:
"rstro" <rstro@optonline.net> wrote in message
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He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
are currently affectign this country--and we all know George The
Monkey can't do that!
No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the basis of
his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry is running on his
record of military service during the Vietnam War. Discussing the issues
that are currently affecting this country will mean a landslide for Bush.
At a time when more than half of the population thinks the country is
headed in the wrong direction?
Kerry knows that, that's why he's making Vietnam the issue.
Kerry has not made Vietnam *the* issue. He obviously wants people to be
aware of his record (there's such nice contrast with Bush's record), but
if you listen to his speeches, they're almost entirely about policy
issues. He doesn't stand at the podium telling war stories.
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"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today.... He married
a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas
girl, just like me."
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