| Topic: |
Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Gactimus" |
| Date: |
18 Aug 2004 12:19:59 PM |
| Object: |
Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.html
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record and
a pack of lies that are being disproven every day. We want facts; not
Kerry's tall tales. We want the after-action reports. We want his
medical reports. We want to know if he actually earned all those
purple hearts.
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
25 Aug 2004 10:32:02 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:13:54 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
You brought up which party gets more money; I pointed out you were being
dishonest by giving an incomplete picture.
527s, numbnuts.
The issue is that 527s can get unlimited donations for their
candidate. PACS are limited by campaign finance laws.
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There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
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| User: "Erich" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
22 Aug 2004 10:01:05 PM |
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In article <etehi05jev4nv0f7grhb2mi7i3506v6gba@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:30:06 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Here is one guy who worked for both organizations.
"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with President
Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group
challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign
spokesman said on Saturday.
"Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush
supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a
steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election."
Quoted from:
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=60363
02>
... Erich
Zach Exley, a key Kerry campaign staffer served as the organizing
director for MoveOn.org throughout the presidential primaries.
MoveOn, whose sole mission is to defeat President Bush in November,
maintains that Exley is allowed to "communicate" with the 527 group
even as he works for John Kerry.
In April the Kerry for President Web site proudly announced: "Zach
Exley joins the [Kerry] Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org."
Exley claims he won't communicate with MoveOn until after the
election, but when he teamed up with Kerry, MoveOn's executive
director, Eli Pariser, acknowledged that Exley will be able to make
use of "what he's got in his head."
And a statement issued by MoveOn when Exley signed on with team Kerry
insisted, "federal election rules permit some forms of communication"
between Exley and the liberal 527.
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/22/83651.shtml
Zach Exley joins the Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org and was instrumental in
building the Dean campaign’s web-based organization.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0416c.html
Cordier was a volunteer for the Bush campaign. Exley of MoveOn.org
was sought and hired by the Kerry Campaign.
The problem is that Cordier was working for a 547 group and an election
campaign at the same time. Exley stayed within the law because he quit
his job with a 547 group before starting to work for the Kerry campaign.
It's a bit like marriage. Getting divorced and remarried is OK, having
more than one spouse at the same time is not.
... Erich
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 05:34:13 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:01:05 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <etehi05jev4nv0f7grhb2mi7i3506v6gba@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:30:06 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Here is one guy who worked for both organizations.
"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with President
Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group
challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign
spokesman said on Saturday.
"Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush
supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a
steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election."
Quoted from:
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=60363
02>
... Erich
Zach Exley, a key Kerry campaign staffer served as the organizing
director for MoveOn.org throughout the presidential primaries.
MoveOn, whose sole mission is to defeat President Bush in November,
maintains that Exley is allowed to "communicate" with the 527 group
even as he works for John Kerry.
In April the Kerry for President Web site proudly announced: "Zach
Exley joins the [Kerry] Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org."
Exley claims he won't communicate with MoveOn until after the
election, but when he teamed up with Kerry, MoveOn's executive
director, Eli Pariser, acknowledged that Exley will be able to make
use of "what he's got in his head."
And a statement issued by MoveOn when Exley signed on with team Kerry
insisted, "federal election rules permit some forms of communication"
between Exley and the liberal 527.
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/22/83651.shtml
Zach Exley joins the Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org and was instrumental in
building the Dean campaign’s web-based organization.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0416c.html
Cordier was a volunteer for the Bush campaign. Exley of MoveOn.org
was sought and hired by the Kerry Campaign.
The problem is that Cordier was working for a 547 group and an election
campaign at the same time. Exley stayed within the law because he quit
his job with a 547 group before starting to work for the Kerry campaign.
It's a bit like marriage. Getting divorced and remarried is OK, having
more than one spouse at the same time is not.
... Erich
Cordier told UPI he is not part of the Bush campaign. Cordier is a
volunteer. I think 527 regs apply to those who are hired by the
campaigns.
It's amazing the Kerry Campaign chooses to call a man like Ken Cordier
a liar. Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
24 Aug 2004 03:32:09 AM |
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In article <k6qki0tujcupp91uqf5nhdfn4s1i1kg9gc@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:01:05 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <etehi05jev4nv0f7grhb2mi7i3506v6gba@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:30:06 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the
media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift
boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to
peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt
on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that
some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh
campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Here is one guy who worked for both organizations.
"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with
President
Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group
challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign
spokesman said on Saturday.
"Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush
supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a
steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election."
Quoted from:
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=60363
02>
... Erich
Zach Exley, a key Kerry campaign staffer served as the organizing
director for MoveOn.org throughout the presidential primaries.
MoveOn, whose sole mission is to defeat President Bush in November,
maintains that Exley is allowed to "communicate" with the 527 group
even as he works for John Kerry.
In April the Kerry for President Web site proudly announced: "Zach
Exley joins the [Kerry] Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org."
Exley claims he won't communicate with MoveOn until after the
election, but when he teamed up with Kerry, MoveOn's executive
director, Eli Pariser, acknowledged that Exley will be able to make
use of "what he's got in his head."
And a statement issued by MoveOn when Exley signed on with team Kerry
insisted, "federal election rules permit some forms of communication"
between Exley and the liberal 527.
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/22/83651.shtml
Zach Exley joins the Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org and was instrumental in
building the Dean campaign’s web-based organization.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0416c.html
Cordier was a volunteer for the Bush campaign. Exley of MoveOn.org
was sought and hired by the Kerry Campaign.
The problem is that Cordier was working for a 547 group and an election
campaign at the same time. Exley stayed within the law because he quit
his job with a 547 group before starting to work for the Kerry campaign.
It's a bit like marriage. Getting divorced and remarried is OK, having
more than one spouse at the same time is not.
... Erich
Cordier told UPI he is not part of the Bush campaign. Cordier is a
volunteer. I think 527 regs apply to those who are hired by the
campaigns.
It's amazing the Kerry Campaign chooses to call a man like Ken Cordier
a liar.
Why is that any different from the right-wing calling Kerry a liar?
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
.
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
24 Aug 2004 09:48:53 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <k6qki0tujcupp91uqf5nhdfn4s1i1kg9gc@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:01:05 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <etehi05jev4nv0f7grhb2mi7i3506v6gba@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:30:06 -0600, Erich <oetting@qwest.net> wrote:
In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the
media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift
boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to
peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt
on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that
some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh
campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Here is one guy who worked for both organizations.
"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with
President
Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group
challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign
spokesman said on Saturday.
"Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush
supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a
steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election."
Quoted from:
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=60363
02>
... Erich
Zach Exley, a key Kerry campaign staffer served as the organizing
director for MoveOn.org throughout the presidential primaries.
MoveOn, whose sole mission is to defeat President Bush in November,
maintains that Exley is allowed to "communicate" with the 527 group
even as he works for John Kerry.
In April the Kerry for President Web site proudly announced: "Zach
Exley joins the [Kerry] Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org."
Exley claims he won't communicate with MoveOn until after the
election, but when he teamed up with Kerry, MoveOn's executive
director, Eli Pariser, acknowledged that Exley will be able to make
use of "what he's got in his head."
And a statement issued by MoveOn when Exley signed on with team Kerry
insisted, "federal election rules permit some forms of communication"
between Exley and the liberal 527.
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/22/83651.shtml
Zach Exley joins the Internet team as Director of Online
Communications and Online Organizing. He was previously the director
of special projects for the MoveOn.org and was instrumental in
building the Dean campaign’s web-based organization.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0416c.html
Cordier was a volunteer for the Bush campaign. Exley of MoveOn.org
was sought and hired by the Kerry Campaign.
The problem is that Cordier was working for a 547 group and an election
campaign at the same time. Exley stayed within the law because he quit
his job with a 547 group before starting to work for the Kerry campaign.
It's a bit like marriage. Getting divorced and remarried is OK, having
more than one spouse at the same time is not.
... Erich
Cordier told UPI he is not part of the Bush campaign. Cordier is a
volunteer. I think 527 regs apply to those who are hired by the
campaigns.
It's amazing the Kerry Campaign chooses to call a man like Ken Cordier
a liar.
Why is that any different from the right-wing calling Kerry a liar?
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
25 Aug 2004 03:12:06 AM |
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In article <b6kmi0h9lhgmifklvj1g8ak587vri27gns@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
You said in the prison he was introduced to Kerry. Are you flip-flopping?
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
No, because there was none. He testified as to what some other soldiers
told him they had done. Read the testimony instead of relying on the
right-wing propaganda machine.
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
Yeah, freedom of speech and dissent were so against the things we were
fighting for, right?
.
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| User: "uncleward" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
25 Aug 2004 06:01:56 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:12:06 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <b6kmi0h9lhgmifklvj1g8ak587vri27gns@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
You said in the prison he was introduced to Kerry. Are you flip-flopping?
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
No, because there was none. He testified as to what some other soldiers
told him they had done. Read the testimony instead of relying on the
right-wing propaganda machine.
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
Yeah, freedom of speech and dissent were so against the things we were
fighting for, right?
Then we might wish to tot up the number of lives, American and
Vietnamese that were saved by Kerry's (and others) testimony. One
understands that many vets are distressed to know that they and their
buddies sacrificed in vain - the wrong war at the wrong time in the
wrong place.
Not unlike the debacle unfolding in Iraq!
ward
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"...and If it protects nothing else at all,
the First Amendment of our Consitution must
protect political speech.."
James Madison.
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
25 Aug 2004 08:36:38 PM |
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On 26/8/04 9:01 AM, in article v96qi0lpb12tie5sgi1dm647c0kjljq38b@4ax.com,
"uncleward" <uncleward@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:12:06 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <b6kmi0h9lhgmifklvj1g8ak587vri27gns@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
You said in the prison he was introduced to Kerry. Are you flip-flopping?
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
No, because there was none. He testified as to what some other soldiers
told him they had done. Read the testimony instead of relying on the
right-wing propaganda machine.
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
Yeah, freedom of speech and dissent were so against the things we were
fighting for, right?
Then we might wish to tot up the number of lives, American and
Vietnamese that were saved by Kerry's (and others) testimony. One
understands that many vets are distressed to know that they and their
buddies sacrificed in vain - the wrong war at the wrong time in the
wrong place.
Not unlike the debacle unfolding in Iraq!
Yeap, thirty years ago it was the dreaded domino theory put out by
Kissinger, now its the "global Islamic threat" put out by the Christian
Fundamentalists who have the Republicans by the short 'n curlies.
Matty
--
My Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com
Why would you want to ditch MacOS X for Solaris?
Because having the power of Unix coupled with a pleasing interface and
scores of usable desktop applications is a disgusting perversion of
everything Unix stands for.
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On Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:12:06 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <b6kmi0h9lhgmifklvj1g8ak587vri27gns@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
You said in the prison he was introduced to Kerry. Are you flip-flopping?
POWs of the North Vietnamese knew about Kerry because his testimony to
Congress was used a propaganda tool to demoralize POWs.
You are dense as hell.
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
No, because there was none. He testified as to what some other soldiers
told him they had done. Read the testimony instead of relying on the
right-wing propaganda machine.
Kerry is such a lemming. You are saying Kerry didn't mean a word of
his testimony? God, you must have received the deluxe model of the
Kerry Kneepads.
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
Yeah, freedom of speech and dissent were so against the things we were
fighting for, right?
Kerry fought for the North Vietnamese. Idiots say McCain condemns the
Swift Boat Vet's ad, but Alzheimer's sets in regarding McCain's
testimony.
Time to order a new pair of Kerry Kneepads, yours are well worn out.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
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26 Aug 2004 06:16:01 AM |
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In article <b7bpi09iv772ih8ee9igab7islqpgjtemp@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:12:06 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <b6kmi0h9lhgmifklvj1g8ak587vri27gns@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
You said in the prison he was introduced to Kerry. Are you flip-flopping?
POWs of the North Vietnamese knew about Kerry because his testimony to
Congress was used a propaganda tool to demoralize POWs.
You are dense as hell.
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
No, because there was none. He testified as to what some other soldiers
told him they had done. Read the testimony instead of relying on the
right-wing propaganda machine.
Kerry is such a lemming. You are saying Kerry didn't mean a word of
his testimony? God, you must have received the deluxe model of the
Kerry Kneepads.
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
Yeah, freedom of speech and dissent were so against the things we were
fighting for, right?
Kerry fought for the North Vietnamese.
You're a lying scumbag. Good-bye.
Idiots say McCain condemns the
Swift Boat Vet's ad, but Alzheimer's sets in regarding McCain's
testimony.
You're lower than a snake's belly. What a steaming pile you've just laid.
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27 Aug 2004 10:48:09 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Aug 04 11:16:01 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <b7bpi09iv772ih8ee9igab7islqpgjtemp@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Aug 04 08:12:06 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <b6kmi0h9lhgmifklvj1g8ak587vri27gns@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:32:09 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
Cordier spent 75 months in Hoa Lo prison complex where his
captors introduced him to John Kerry
Huh? Kerry was never in North Vietnam.
Can't you read with comprehension?
You said in the prison he was introduced to Kerry. Are you flip-flopping?
POWs of the North Vietnamese knew about Kerry because his testimony to
Congress was used a propaganda tool to demoralize POWs.
You are dense as hell.
where he bad-mouthed Vietnam
soldiers in the field.
When did he do this?
You mean you already forgot Kerry's 1971 testimony to Congress where
he spoke about war crimes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam?
No, because there was none. He testified as to what some other soldiers
told him they had done. Read the testimony instead of relying on the
right-wing propaganda machine.
Kerry is such a lemming. You are saying Kerry didn't mean a word of
his testimony? God, you must have received the deluxe model of the
Kerry Kneepads.
His testimony was used by North Vietnamese captors of US POWs as
propaganda to demoralize POWs into admitting to war crimes.
Don't play dumb and pretend it didn't happen.
After he was released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973, John McCain
publicly complained that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against
us."
Yeah, freedom of speech and dissent were so against the things we were
fighting for, right?
Kerry fought for the North Vietnamese.
You're a lying scumbag. Good-bye.
Idiots say McCain condemns the
Swift Boat Vet's ad, but Alzheimer's sets in regarding McCain's
testimony.
You're lower than a snake's belly. What a steaming pile you've just laid.
Run, little boy, run.
-
Mitchell Holman writes: Is that why you hide behind
a trite anonymous handle?
When asked, "Who gives a rat's ***** who Mitchell
Holman is?"
Little Mitchie-boy runs away from the question
like Bill Clinton and the draft.
On 6-01-04 Adam Albright wrote:
You don't have a clue do you. I had a IQ of 170... in the 8th grade.
Einstein scored roughly 240. Most people (depending on test) fall
within .,..
Ask Not-So-Bright what was the name of the IQ test
that gave him a 170 IQ.
He can't be that bright.
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23 Aug 2004 06:21:56 AM |
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(Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
There's every Dummycrat's favorite uncle Larry Flynt
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity.
You don't know who George Soros is do you?
You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
Any book by David Brock?
You can not find me any democratic equivalent to Scaife.
JSL
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23 Aug 2004 04:02:44 AM |
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In article <4129d307.585897035@nntp.service.ohio-state.edu>,
(Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
(Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd
Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year
old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now
they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in
Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the
only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers"
backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it
couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying.
His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29,
1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims
he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his
Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the
record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in
Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying
O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His
entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has
nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush
and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized
the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527
status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket
change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
There's every Dummycrat's favorite uncle Larry Flynt
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity.
You don't know who George Soros is do you?
Yes. He never financed a video accusing Bush of murder.
You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
Any book by David Brock?
Who used to be a darling of the right.
You can not find me any democratic equivalent to Scaife.
JSL
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24 Aug 2004 07:46:27 AM |
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(Lloyd Parker) wrote:
In article <4129d307.585897035@nntp.service.ohio-state.edu>,
linder.one@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott Linder) wrote:
(Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd
Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year
old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now
they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in
Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the
only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers"
backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it
couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying.
His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29,
1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims
he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his
Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the
record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in
Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying
O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His
entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has
nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush
and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized
the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527
status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket
change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
There's every Dummycrat's favorite uncle Larry Flynt
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity.
You don't know who George Soros is do you?
Yes. He never financed a video accusing Bush of murder.
Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
Any book by David Brock?
Who used to be a darling of the right.
Any book by David Brock or only the ones he wrote after he became a
darling of the left?
JSL
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22 Aug 2004 10:26:42 AM |
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On 21 Aug 2004 08:40:37 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
There's every Dummycrat's favorite uncle Larry Flynt
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
Soros didn't have to finance criminal activity, he is the criminal.
Soros was convicted of insider trading by a Parisian court and ordered
to pay a 2.2 million euro (£1.4 million) fine. The 72-year-old
billionaire was accused of using privileged information to speculate
on the share price of Société Générale, the French banking giant,
during a failed takeover bid in 1988. He and Terry McAuliffe are
kindered spirits.
MoveOn.org is heavily financed by George Soros and Zach Exley, a key
Kerry campaign staffer who served as the organizing director for
MoveOn.org throughout the Dummycrat presidential primaries.
Don't try to escape the issue. So what if SBVFT are financed by
Republican operatives, wimpy John Kerry and his band of losers haven't
proven that claim.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
You cannot answer the questions. So you morons follow the lead of that
wimp John Kerry who has brought whining to a new science. I quite
amusing that on little 527 group can bring John Kerry to his knees
like a cheap *****.
Authors from both sides are a dime a dozen. Brock hasn't made
headlines, but O'Neill has and has Kerry's campaign running in
circles.
You can not find me any democratic equivalent to Scaife.
I see, you're ***** at Scaife. He must be effective in what he
does.
According to you Dummycrats can have operatives, but Republicans
can't. Since Hillary Clinton came up with the phrase Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy, it has whine of choice of Dummycrats.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 03:55:15 AM |
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In article <v5dhi090jpvi3u976u66qcfpmvh3idtdhq@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2004 08:40:37 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
Soros didn't have to finance criminal activity, he is the criminal.
Soros was convicted of insider trading by a Parisian court and ordered
to pay a 2.2 million euro (£1.4 million) fine. The 72-year-old
billionaire was accused of using privileged information to speculate
on the share price of Société Générale, the French banking giant,
during a failed takeover bid in 1988. He and Terry McAuliffe are
kindered spirits.
Still pales compared to the rip-offs Halliburton has pulled.
MoveOn.org is heavily financed by George Soros and Zach Exley, a key
Kerry campaign staffer who served as the organizing director for
MoveOn.org throughout the Dummycrat presidential primaries.
MoveOn is tame compared to SwiftBoat.
Don't try to escape the issue. So what if SBVFT are financed by
Republican operatives, wimpy John Kerry and his band of losers haven't
proven that claim.
A person in the ad was on the Bush campaign.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
You cannot answer the questions. So you morons follow the lead of that
wimp John Kerry who has brought whining to a new science. I quite
amusing that on little 527 group can bring John Kerry to his knees
like a cheap *****.
Authors from both sides are a dime a dozen. Brock hasn't made
headlines, but O'Neill has and has Kerry's campaign running in
circles.
Yeah, great resume when Nixon hires you to discredit someone.
You can not find me any democratic equivalent to Scaife.
I see, you're ***** at Scaife. He must be effective in what he
does.
According to you Dummycrats can have operatives,
Gee, you can twist words. How 12-year oldish.
but Republicans
can't. Since Hillary Clinton came up with the phrase Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy, it has whine of choice of Dummycrats.
Scaife is proof.
.
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 06:10:24 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Aug 04 08:55:15 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <v5dhi090jpvi3u976u66qcfpmvh3idtdhq@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2004 08:40:37 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
Soros didn't have to finance criminal activity, he is the criminal.
Soros was convicted of insider trading by a Parisian court and ordered
to pay a 2.2 million euro (£1.4 million) fine. The 72-year-old
billionaire was accused of using privileged information to speculate
on the share price of Société Générale, the French banking giant,
during a failed takeover bid in 1988. He and Terry McAuliffe are
kindered spirits.
Still pales compared to the rip-offs Halliburton has pulled.
MoveOn.org is heavily financed by George Soros and Zach Exley, a key
Kerry campaign staffer who served as the organizing director for
MoveOn.org throughout the Dummycrat presidential primaries.
MoveOn is tame compared to SwiftBoat.
Money raised by the Swift Boat is small potatoes compared to what
MoveOn.org has raised. Swift Boat Vets ads have been more effective.
Don't try to escape the issue. So what if SBVFT are financed by
Republican operatives, wimpy John Kerry and his band of losers haven't
proven that claim.
A person in the ad was on the Bush campaign.
A volunteer supporter.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
You cannot answer the questions. So you morons follow the lead of that
wimp John Kerry who has brought whining to a new science. I quite
amusing that on little 527 group can bring John Kerry to his knees
like a cheap *****.
Authors from both sides are a dime a dozen. Brock hasn't made
headlines, but O'Neill has and has Kerry's campaign running in
circles.
Yeah, great resume when Nixon hires you to discredit someone.
As I said, O'Neill has managed to put Kerry's panties in a bunch.
You can not find me any democratic equivalent to Scaife.
I see, you're ***** at Scaife. He must be effective in what he
does.
According to you Dummycrats can have operatives,
Gee, you can twist words. How 12-year oldish.
You'v haven't done doody.
but Republicans
can't. Since Hillary Clinton came up with the phrase Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy, it has whine of choice of Dummycrats.
Scaife is proof.
Dummycrats whine is the result.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
|
| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
24 Aug 2004 03:36:51 AM |
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|
In article <7qtki0dhgagm4r7bdra5b0e59pnq321ovg@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 04 08:55:15 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <v5dhi090jpvi3u976u66qcfpmvh3idtdhq@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2004 08:40:37 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
Soros didn't have to finance criminal activity, he is the criminal.
Soros was convicted of insider trading by a Parisian court and ordered
to pay a 2.2 million euro (£1.4 million) fine. The 72-year-old
billionaire was accused of using privileged information to speculate
on the share price of Société Générale, the French banking giant,
during a failed takeover bid in 1988. He and Terry McAuliffe are
kindered spirits.
Still pales compared to the rip-offs Halliburton has pulled.
MoveOn.org is heavily financed by George Soros and Zach Exley, a key
Kerry campaign staffer who served as the organizing director for
MoveOn.org throughout the Dummycrat presidential primaries.
MoveOn is tame compared to SwiftBoat.
Money raised by the Swift Boat is small potatoes compared to what
MoveOn.org has raised.
Money raised by corporate PACs (and given to the GOP) dwarfs MoveOn too.
Swift Boat Vets ads have been more effective.
Sure, smears usually are.
Don't try to escape the issue. So what if SBVFT are financed by
Republican operatives, wimpy John Kerry and his band of losers haven't
proven that claim.
A person in the ad was on the Bush campaign.
A volunteer supporter.
Does the law distinguish?
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
You cannot answer the questions. So you morons follow the lead of that
wimp John Kerry who has brought whining to a new science. I quite
amusing that on little 527 group can bring John Kerry to his knees
like a cheap *****.
Authors from both sides are a dime a dozen. Brock hasn't made
headlines, but O'Neill has and has Kerry's campaign running in
circles.
Yeah, great resume when Nixon hires you to discredit someone.
As I said, O'Neill has managed to put Kerry's panties in a bunch.
Only to you right-wingers who were already kooky (tell us again how Clinton
murdered Vince Foster).
.
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
24 Aug 2004 10:18:45 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Aug 04 08:36:51 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <7qtki0dhgagm4r7bdra5b0e59pnq321ovg@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 04 08:55:15 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <v5dhi090jpvi3u976u66qcfpmvh3idtdhq@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 21 Aug 2004 08:40:37 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<fvedi012l6j6v9hh5g51h6s7s0b4s9ki51@4ax.com>...
On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
Soros didn't have to finance criminal activity, he is the criminal.
Soros was convicted of insider trading by a Parisian court and ordered
to pay a 2.2 million euro (£1.4 million) fine. The 72-year-old
billionaire was accused of using privileged information to speculate
on the share price of Société Générale, the French banking giant,
during a failed takeover bid in 1988. He and Terry McAuliffe are
kindered spirits.
Still pales compared to the rip-offs Halliburton has pulled.
MoveOn.org is heavily financed by George Soros and Zach Exley, a key
Kerry campaign staffer who served as the organizing director for
MoveOn.org throughout the Dummycrat presidential primaries.
MoveOn is tame compared to SwiftBoat.
Money raised by the Swift Boat is small potatoes compared to what
MoveOn.org has raised.
Money raised by corporate PACs (and given to the GOP) dwarfs MoveOn too.
Knock, knock, Moron. This thread is about th 527 organization Swift
Boat Veterans for Truth. Want to talk about PACS? Start a new thread.
Swift Boat Vets ads have been more effective.
Sure, smears usually are.
*****, you're such a whiner like John Kerry.
Don't try to escape the issue. So what if SBVFT are financed by
Republican operatives, wimpy John Kerry and his band of losers haven't
proven that claim.
A person in the ad was on the Bush campaign.
A volunteer supporter.
Does the law distinguish?
Volunteers in campaigns are usually "errand boys" not strategists nor
decision makers.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
You cannot answer the questions. So you morons follow the lead of that
wimp John Kerry who has brought whining to a new science. I quite
amusing that on little 527 group can bring John Kerry to his knees
like a cheap *****.
Authors from both sides are a dime a dozen. Brock hasn't made
headlines, but O'Neill has and has Kerry's campaign running in
circles.
Yeah, great resume when Nixon hires you to discredit someone.
As I said, O'Neill has managed to put Kerry's panties in a bunch.
Only to you right-wingers who were already kooky (tell us again how Clinton
murdered Vince Foster).
The whine flows freely on the Dummycrat side. Clinton has not even
weighed on the issue. Why bring him up?
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name i | | | | | |
