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Science > Abortion |
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"Gactimus" |
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18 Aug 2004 12:19:59 PM |
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Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.html
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record and
a pack of lies that are being disproven every day. We want facts; not
Kerry's tall tales. We want the after-action reports. We want his
medical reports. We want to know if he actually earned all those
purple hearts.
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| User: "Ouroboros Rex" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
18 Aug 2004 01:08:22 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.html
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
18 Aug 2004 01:23:45 PM |
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"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35 years
ago.
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
18 Aug 2004 02:12:28 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35 years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Anyway, Bush said he signed the form, so no doubt you are almost ready
with that cite. lol
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
18 Aug 2004 08:08:28 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35 years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
is a 527 group just as MoveOn.org is.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
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| User: "Its GasherbrumAgain" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
19 Aug 2004 03:16:19 AM |
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VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35 years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
Read further about this here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/07/16/swift_boat_veterans/index.html
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
is a 527 group just as MoveOn.org is.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
19 Aug 2004 11:37:21 AM |
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On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35 years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Soros' contributions to 527s in the 2004 election cycle since last
tabulated by opensecrets.org...and counting have been:
America Coming Together - $5,000,000
Joint Victory Campaign 2004 - $4,550,000
MoveOn.org - $2,500,000
Campaign for America's Future - $300,000
Democracy for America - $250,000
Top Individual Contributors to 527 Committees
2004 Election Cycle
1. Peter Lewis (Peter B Lewis/Progressive Corp) Cleveland, OH
$14,030,000
2. George Soros (Soros Fund Management) New York, NY
$12,600,000
3. Steven Bing (Shangri-La Entertainment) Los Angeles, CA
$8,086,273
4. Andrew & Deborah Rappaport (August Capital) Woodside, CA
$2,910,000
5. John A & Lawrie Harris (Changing Horizons Fund) Berwyn, PA
$1,674,000
6. Lewis Cullman (Cullman Foundation/Cullman Ventures) New York, NY
$1,650,000
7.Agnes Varis (Agvar Chemicals) New York, NY
$1,500,000
8. Alida R Messinger (Alida Messinger Charitable Lead Trust) New York
$1,158,000
9. Fred Eychaner (Newsweb Corp) Chicago, IL
$1,150,000
10. Susie Tompkins Buell (Susie Tompkins Buell Foundation)
San Francisco, CA - $1,020,000
10. Carl Lindner (American Financial Group) Cincinnati, OH
$1,020,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527indivs.asp?cycle=2004
The above list lists individual donors to 527s, most of which goes to
Left Wing causes.
The first nine of the top ten donors to 527s have been given to
Liberal causes.
10 biggest givers in American politics since 1989
Top 10 donors:
1. American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees - $35,020,106
2. National Assn of Realtors - $24,515,030
3. National Education Assn - $23,624,084
4. Assn of Trial Lawyers of America - $23,421,116
5. Communications Workers of America - $22,057,966
6. Service Employees International Union - $21,914,515
7. Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - $21,641,387
8. Carpenters & Joiners Union - $21,039,637
9. Teamsters Union - $20,924,615
10. American Medical Assn - $20,734,136
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000068
With the exception of the AMA, most of these organizations' funds go
to Democrats.
Read further about this here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/07/16/swift_boat_veterans/index.html
I'll pull a Left Wingnut ploy by discounting any opinion written by
Joe Conason. He is clearly biased towards the Left just as Bob Novak
is biased towards the Right. Conason and Novak are spinmeisters. The
Salon article is an opinion piece, not a news article.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
19 Aug 2004 11:17:20 AM |
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In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
Soros' contributions to 527s in the 2004 election cycle since last
tabulated by opensecrets.org...and counting have been:
America Coming Together - $5,000,000
Joint Victory Campaign 2004 - $4,550,000
MoveOn.org - $2,500,000
Campaign for America's Future - $300,000
Democracy for America - $250,000
Top Individual Contributors to 527 Committees
2004 Election Cycle
1. Peter Lewis (Peter B Lewis/Progressive Corp) Cleveland, OH
$14,030,000
2. George Soros (Soros Fund Management) New York, NY
$12,600,000
3. Steven Bing (Shangri-La Entertainment) Los Angeles, CA
$8,086,273
4. Andrew & Deborah Rappaport (August Capital) Woodside, CA
$2,910,000
5. John A & Lawrie Harris (Changing Horizons Fund) Berwyn, PA
$1,674,000
6. Lewis Cullman (Cullman Foundation/Cullman Ventures) New York, NY
$1,650,000
7.Agnes Varis (Agvar Chemicals) New York, NY
$1,500,000
8. Alida R Messinger (Alida Messinger Charitable Lead Trust) New York
$1,158,000
9. Fred Eychaner (Newsweb Corp) Chicago, IL
$1,150,000
10. Susie Tompkins Buell (Susie Tompkins Buell Foundation)
San Francisco, CA - $1,020,000
10. Carl Lindner (American Financial Group) Cincinnati, OH
$1,020,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527indivs.asp?cycle=2004
The above list lists individual donors to 527s, most of which goes to
Left Wing causes.
Now list all the donations the wealthy made to the Republican party. Bush
really wasn't joking when he called them "my base."
The first nine of the top ten donors to 527s have been given to
Liberal causes.
10 biggest givers in American politics since 1989
Top 10 donors:
1. American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees - $35,020,106
2. National Assn of Realtors - $24,515,030
3. National Education Assn - $23,624,084
4. Assn of Trial Lawyers of America - $23,421,116
5. Communications Workers of America - $22,057,966
6. Service Employees International Union - $21,914,515
7. Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - $21,641,387
8. Carpenters & Joiners Union - $21,039,637
9. Teamsters Union - $20,924,615
10. American Medical Assn - $20,734,136
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000068
With the exception of the AMA, most of these organizations' funds go
to Democrats.
Perhaps because most businesses and CEOs give to Republicans.
Read further about this here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/07/16/swift_boat_veterans/index.h
tml
I'll pull a Left Wingnut ploy by discounting any opinion written by
Joe Conason. He is clearly biased towards the Left just as Bob Novak
is biased towards the Right. Conason and Novak are spinmeisters. The
Salon article is an opinion piece, not a news article.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| User: "VRWC Destruction Machine" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
20 Aug 2004 04:54:11 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<muu7i0908p4tmtd3ic7hk26g4t0kcipaav@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
Kerry sounds like a child going through a temper tantrum whining about
the SBVFT ad being a front for the Bush Campaign. Of course, Kerry
doesn't have any proof to back up that claim.
Soros' contributions to 527s in the 2004 election cycle since last
tabulated by opensecrets.org...and counting have been:
America Coming Together - $5,000,000
Joint Victory Campaign 2004 - $4,550,000
MoveOn.org - $2,500,000
Campaign for America's Future - $300,000
Democracy for America - $250,000
Top Individual Contributors to 527 Committees
2004 Election Cycle
1. Peter Lewis (Peter B Lewis/Progressive Corp) Cleveland, OH
$14,030,000
2. George Soros (Soros Fund Management) New York, NY
$12,600,000
3. Steven Bing (Shangri-La Entertainment) Los Angeles, CA
$8,086,273
4. Andrew & Deborah Rappaport (August Capital) Woodside, CA
$2,910,000
5. John A & Lawrie Harris (Changing Horizons Fund) Berwyn, PA
$1,674,000
6. Lewis Cullman (Cullman Foundation/Cullman Ventures) New York, NY
$1,650,000
7.Agnes Varis (Agvar Chemicals) New York, NY
$1,500,000
8. Alida R Messinger (Alida Messinger Charitable Lead Trust) New York
$1,158,000
9. Fred Eychaner (Newsweb Corp) Chicago, IL
$1,150,000
10. Susie Tompkins Buell (Susie Tompkins Buell Foundation)
San Francisco, CA - $1,020,000
10. Carl Lindner (American Financial Group) Cincinnati, OH
$1,020,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527indivs.asp?cycle=2004
The above list lists individual donors to 527s, most of which goes to
Left Wing causes.
Now list all the donations the wealthy made to the Republican party. Bush
really wasn't joking when he called them "my base."
It is obvious you don't know what 527 organizations are.
Below is the list of Left Wingnut organizations who contribute mostly
to th Dummycrats.
The first nine of the top ten donors to 527s have been given to
Liberal causes.
10 biggest givers in American politics since 1989
Top 10 donors:
1. American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees - $35,020,106
2. National Assn of Realtors - $24,515,030
3. National Education Assn - $23,624,084
4. Assn of Trial Lawyers of America - $23,421,116
5. Communications Workers of America - $22,057,966
6. Service Employees International Union - $21,914,515
7. Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - $21,641,387
8. Carpenters & Joiners Union - $21,039,637
9. Teamsters Union - $20,924,615
10. American Medical Assn - $20,734,136
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000068
With the exception of the AMA, most of these organizations' funds go
to Democrats.
Perhaps because most businesses and CEOs give to Republicans.
Produce a list to back up your claim.
Read further about this here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/07/16/swift_boat_veterans/index.h
tml
I'll pull a Left Wingnut ploy by discounting any opinion written by
Joe Conason. He is clearly biased towards the Left just as Bob Novak
is biased towards the Right. Conason and Novak are spinmeisters. The
Salon article is an opinion piece, not a news article.
I called you on using an opinion piece as a reference for facts.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
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20 Aug 2004 11:50:45 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
Kerry sounds like a child going through a temper tantrum whining about
the SBVFT ad being a front for the Bush Campaign. Of course, Kerry
doesn't have any proof to back up that claim.
Soros' contributions to 527s in the 2004 election cycle since last
tabulated by opensecrets.org...and counting have been:
America Coming Together - $5,000,000
Joint Victory Campaign 2004 - $4,550,000
MoveOn.org - $2,500,000
Campaign for America's Future - $300,000
Democracy for America - $250,000
Top Individual Contributors to 527 Committees
2004 Election Cycle
1. Peter Lewis (Peter B Lewis/Progressive Corp) Cleveland, OH
$14,030,000
2. George Soros (Soros Fund Management) New York, NY
$12,600,000
3. Steven Bing (Shangri-La Entertainment) Los Angeles, CA
$8,086,273
4. Andrew & Deborah Rappaport (August Capital) Woodside, CA
$2,910,000
5. John A & Lawrie Harris (Changing Horizons Fund) Berwyn, PA
$1,674,000
6. Lewis Cullman (Cullman Foundation/Cullman Ventures) New York, NY
$1,650,000
7.Agnes Varis (Agvar Chemicals) New York, NY
$1,500,000
8. Alida R Messinger (Alida Messinger Charitable Lead Trust) New York
$1,158,000
9. Fred Eychaner (Newsweb Corp) Chicago, IL
$1,150,000
10. Susie Tompkins Buell (Susie Tompkins Buell Foundation)
San Francisco, CA - $1,020,000
10. Carl Lindner (American Financial Group) Cincinnati, OH
$1,020,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527indivs.asp?cycle=2004
The above list lists individual donors to 527s, most of which goes to
Left Wing causes.
Now list all the donations the wealthy made to the Republican party. Bush
really wasn't joking when he called them "my base."
It is obvious you don't know what 527 organizations are.
Below is the list of Left Wingnut organizations who contribute mostly
to th Dummycrats.
The first nine of the top ten donors to 527s have been given to
Liberal causes.
10 biggest givers in American politics since 1989
Top 10 donors:
1. American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees - $35,020,106
2. National Assn of Realtors - $24,515,030
3. National Education Assn - $23,624,084
4. Assn of Trial Lawyers of America - $23,421,116
5. Communications Workers of America - $22,057,966
6. Service Employees International Union - $21,914,515
7. Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - $21,641,387
8. Carpenters & Joiners Union - $21,039,637
9. Teamsters Union - $20,924,615
10. American Medical Assn - $20,734,136
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.asp?ID=D000000068
With the exception of the AMA, most of these organizations' funds go
to Democrats.
Perhaps because most businesses and CEOs give to Republicans.
Produce a list to back up your claim.
Read further about this here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/07/16/swift_boat_veterans/index.h
tml
I'll pull a Left Wingnut ploy by discounting any opinion written by
Joe Conason. He is clearly biased towards the Left just as Bob Novak
is biased towards the Right. Conason and Novak are spinmeisters. The
Salon article is an opinion piece, not a news article.
I called you on using an opinion piece as a reference for facts.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
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23 Aug 2004 06:19:43 AM |
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(Its GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
Do you know who George Soros is?
JSL
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20 Aug 2004 10:09:40 PM |
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On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
There's every Dummycrat's favorite uncle Larry Flynt and criminal
financier George Soros.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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21 Aug 2004 10:40:37 AM |
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On 20 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<51ibi019a8f9coukp80p50dhjesvh0fojv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 19 Aug 04 16:17:20 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:
In article <e4h9i019h646k0snvcr95gdeiivhuquoq1@4ax.com>,
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 19 Aug 2004 01:16:19 -0700, (Its
GasherbrumAgain) wrote:
VRWC Destruction Machine <VRWC_USA@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:12:28 -0500, "ouroboros rex"
<c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns954992FCF7F9EG@alaska.local...
"Ouroboros Rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.ee-dee-you> wrote in
news:cg05up$sst$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1ix7xt5s9q7dn.dlg@alaska.local...
The Kerry campaign had to back down from Kerry's 35-year old lie
that he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve in 1968. Now they say
that Kerry's recollection was "imprecise" but he was in Cambodia
in January or February of 1969.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002005720_cambodia15.h
tml
However, that new story is now being nailed as a lie:
http://froggyruminations.blogspot.com/2004/08/seals-swift-boats.html
Some guy's blog...lol
Kerry is lying about his service in Vietnam. He is the only one
who
says he was in Cambodia. Not even his "Band of Brothers" backs him
up on this claim. His whole chain of command say it couldn't have
happened. Hundreds of Vietnam veterans say he is lying. His
website
credited him with combat that took place on January 29, 1969 -- the
day
BEFORE HE TOOK COMMAND. He wasn't even there! He claims he has
released his full Vietnam records but that, too, is a lie.
Kerry needs to sign a Form 180 to fully release his Vietnam
records.
All he currently provides is a hand-picked subset of the record
Cite?
BTW, let us know when bush signs the form.
Bush isn't staking his entire campaign on four months in Vietnam 35
years
ago.
Sure he is. He did it when he was asked to repudiate lying O'Neill's
ad
and instead just gave his little smirk on national TV. His entire
record is
*****, so he doesn't dare talk about real details.
Why should he repudiate O'Neill's ad. The Bush campaign has nothing to
do with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Well not quite. It turns out the biggest GOP donor (Bob Perry) in
Texas gave this group $100,000 and is really really close to Bush and
Karl Rove. The are also financing a former FBI agent as private
investigator to dig up dirt on Kerry.
So, they are friends. It doesn't say the Bush Campaign authorized the
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad. In order to keep their 527 status,
the ad does not endorse Bush the candidate and the Bush campaign
cannot have any input on what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth put
out in their ads. No input, no repudiation is needed.
You whine about $100,000 Given by Bob Perry. $100,000 is pocket change
for convicted felon George Soros.
Two words: Scaife. Murdoch.
What is your tabulation of their campaign donations to Bush and
pro-Bush 527s?
I defy you to name an equivalent liberal version of Scaife in terms of
how much money put towards projects specifically to dig up as much
dirt on opponets
no matter how fraudulent the stories are.
There's every Dummycrat's favorite uncle Larry Flynt
*****!!. You show me any evidence that he is getting any money from
any democrat politician.
and criminal
financier George Soros.
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
That still doesn't answer the question I posed. What 527 organization
dos Scaife support? Murdoch?
No your question does not matter because Murdoch and Scaife have their
own media outlets to peddle their crap. Scaife pours millions of
dollars into media projects that they he knows are false and are
specifically designed to bring down democratic politicians. Just read
any book by David Brock (ya you will try to discredit him too I am
sure) and he will tell about Scaife. Especially his recent book THE
REPUBLICAN NOISE MACHINE.
You can not find me any democratic equivalent to Scaife.
-
There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose misstatements could fill up a bucket.
Oft the truth he has bent,
Like his "Irish descent."
Of his record he says, "I'll just duck it."
Must be of the man whose middle name is "F*ck It"
.
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
21 Aug 2004 02:04:43 PM |
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"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
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| User: "Its GasherbrumAgain" |
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21 Aug 2004 10:09:17 PM |
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"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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23 Aug 2004 03:56:12 PM |
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"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
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"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
Show us the evidence Bush is connected to any 527!
jt
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
24 Aug 2004 03:29:55 AM |
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In article <MRsWc.1638$Y%3.1489@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"John Tibbs" <jwtibbs@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
Show us the evidence Bush is connected to any 527!
jt
One of the people in the SwiftBoat ad was part of the Bush-Cheney campaign
team until he resigned this week (after his connection was made public).
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| User: "David Hartung" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:44:29 AM |
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"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 03:57:41 PM |
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"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Kerry is aquainted with George Soros, Michael Moore, Al Franken also don't
forget!
jt
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| User: "Its GasherbrumAgain" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
22 Aug 2004 12:23:20 PM |
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"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message news:<hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
I did not say they all were working for the republican party but nice
try trying to dodge my question to you by changing the subject by
asking me a question. Now you answer my question because because you
are trying to compare what Soros has financed to what republican
operatives have financed? You also show any of the kind of ties
between Soros and the DNC and the kind of ties between Bob Perry and
the RNC as well as Ken Cordier.
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| User: "David Hartung" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
22 Aug 2004 05:00:57 PM |
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"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408220923.2f4c96d7@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that
some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
I did not say they all were working for the republican party but nice
try trying to dodge my question to you by changing the subject by
asking me a question. Now you answer my question because because you
are trying to compare what Soros has financed to what republican
operatives have financed? You also show any of the kind of ties
between Soros and the DNC and the kind of ties between Bob Perry and
the RNC as well as Ken Cordier.
I personally am aware of no improper ties between Soros and the Kerry
Campaign, but then neither am I aware of any improper ties between the SBVT
and the Bush Campaign.
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| User: "uncleward" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 04:41:23 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:00:57 GMT, "David Hartung"
<dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408220923.2f4c96d7@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that
some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
I did not say they all were working for the republican party but nice
try trying to dodge my question to you by changing the subject by
asking me a question. Now you answer my question because because you
are trying to compare what Soros has financed to what republican
operatives have financed? You also show any of the kind of ties
between Soros and the DNC and the kind of ties between Bob Perry and
the RNC as well as Ken Cordier.
I personally am aware of no improper ties between Soros and the Kerry
Campaign, but then neither am I aware of any improper ties between the SBVT
and the Bush Campaign.
KARL ROVE
ward
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Ward and George
48 years together
and yet
Strangers before the law.
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 03:52:43 AM |
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In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
One of the people in the ad was also part of the Bush-Cheney campaign team.
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| User: "Erich" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
22 Aug 2004 08:30:06 AM |
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In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Here is one guy who worked for both organizations.
"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with President
Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group
challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign
spokesman said on Saturday.
"Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush
supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a
steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election."
Quoted from:
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=60363
02>
... Erich
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| User: "John Tibbs" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry backpedals to a new lie |
23 Aug 2004 04:00:13 PM |
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"Erich" <oetting@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:oetting-8A3177.07300622082004@news.uswest.net...
In article <hO_Vc.32481$cT6.4440@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote:
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408211909.30e98cef@posting.google.com...
"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
news:<f1NVc.32007$cT6.31011@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
"Its GasherbrumAgain" <gasherbrum@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:2535b750.0408210740.271f698c@posting.google.com...
criminal financier? *****? Show me any proof that he has
financed
any criminal activity. You show many proof that any of the media
stories on Bush's national guard service or lack of, have been
financed by democratic operatives because we know the swift boat
vets
for bush are being financed by republican operatives.
It seems to me that Soros qualifies as a Democratic operative.
assuming thats true (and thats debatable. I mean has he had any
connections to those running Kerry's campaign in the same way Bob
Perry has very close ties to Karl Rove?) now all you have to do is
show me that Soros is financing the same kind of stuff like the
vietnam boats for bush are spouting. More specifically show me any
evidence that soros has financed any group or media outlets to peddle
stories pertaining to Bush's National guard service? Show me any
evidence that soros had hired private investigators to did up dirt on
Bush.
You first, you are the on making the claim that the SBVT people are
woprking
for the Republican Party. You provide proof, other that the fact that
some
of the people in the SBVT organization know people in the BUsh campaign.
Provide proof of illegal contacts, and funding.
Here is one guy who worked for both organizations.
"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with President
Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group
challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign
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