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"Gactimus" |
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01 Oct 2004 09:06:17 PM |
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Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
Irony watch: I admit I've been flip-flopping this morning.
On the one hand, last night Kerry was the best he was since the Democratic
convention, and maybe the primaries. My head is saying, that's got to give
him at least a point or two in the polls, if not more. He no longer looks
orange, he no longer is giving dull, droning, rambling answers. If he
didn't quite look presidential, he stopped looking like the tall Dukakis.
On the other hand, my gut is saying that Kerry didn't do what he needed to
do. Kerry Spot reader John points out that the Democratic candidate gave
his foes a lot of ammunition for the coming days:
Kerry obviously won on style. He looked good. But who has the material
to work with and exploit over the next week? Clearly Bush.
1. "Global test?" Major mistake. We're gonna hear a lot about this.
Probably today. Hopefully today.
2. Kerry didn't seem to know there were already sanctions on Iran.
3. Summit. Summit. Summit. Blah, Blah. Blah.
4. Kerry is opposed to the nuclear bunker busters as though we're the
moral equivelant of our enemies. How very 80's of him.
5. Kerry certainly won Kim Jong Il's vote.
6. Kerry wants both bi-lateral AND multi-lateral discussions with
North Korea? Sheesh. How about a stand? Sorry, forgot who we're
dealing with.
7. Kerry said nuclear proliferation is his greatest fear and opposes
missile defense? Uhm, okay.
8. He mis-spoke about the 87 billion dollars? How about, as Bush might
put it, he mis-voted? Terrible reponse.
9. Was Iraq a mistake, or wasn't it? He doesn't know. He says both in
the same debate. I rub my hands in anticipation of the RNC's
commercial on this.
10. No subways were closed during the Republican convention as Kerry
maintained. Duh.
There's little I see for Kerry to work with coming out of this debate
in a substantive way. Bush can make hay. Kerry can pump his fist in
the air. I'd prefer both but given the choice, I'll take the hay.
Maybe I can Kerry my way out of these conflicting senses. Kerry's style
was dramatically improved, but the substance of his answers is going to
hurt him in the coming days... and I return to my prediction of last
night, no dramatic movement in the polls in either direction.
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
04 Oct 2004 12:10:58 AM |
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On 4/10/04 4:02 AM, in article VLGdncaIbaa4o_3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 1:44 AM, in article 41601E81.2030305@hotmail.com, "Tempest"
<tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 3/10/04 5:11 AM, in article 1096743884.byWk+B4qcffA/Ho2T3kivw@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
Treasury Secretary Snow the next day said the deficit was controllable.
Now who are you going to believe?
I'd believe the IMF over the spin doctors in the white house *any day*, btw,
the IMF are not the only ones who have sounded warning bells regarding the
US deficit. I say, let the US have a financial melt down; nothing would
please me more than US turning into a banana republic.
Possibly, but I worry more about the elderly that are in nursing homes.
If the economy tanks, what will happen to them? After all, your
mother could be in there and I don't think you'd like the outcome.
Well, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue to vote in incompetent
half wits like GWB.
I look at back at NZ, and I see 14 years of budget surpluses and continuing;
why can a little pissy country like NZ able to balance the budget and reduce
national debt and yet the US, the so-called "economic powerhouse" can't get
its house in order?
As for the elderly, NZ government setup a superfund which will have around
$30billion by the time the baby boomers retire, as for my parents, well,
seeing that they own 3 properties (not including their own) and a decent
number of shares in Telecom, Contact Energy and a few others, I don't think
they'll be up ***** creek.
Matty
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
04 Oct 2004 01:00:29 PM |
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Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:02 AM, in article VLGdncaIbaa4o_3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 1:44 AM, in article 41601E81.2030305@hotmail.com, "Tempest"
<tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 3/10/04 5:11 AM, in article 1096743884.byWk+B4qcffA/Ho2T3kivw@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
Treasury Secretary Snow the next day said the deficit was controllable.
Now who are you going to believe?
I'd believe the IMF over the spin doctors in the white house *any day*, btw,
the IMF are not the only ones who have sounded warning bells regarding the
US deficit. I say, let the US have a financial melt down; nothing would
please me more than US turning into a banana republic.
Possibly, but I worry more about the elderly that are in nursing homes.
If the economy tanks, what will happen to them? After all, your
mother could be in there and I don't think you'd like the outcome.
Well, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue to vote in incompetent
half wits like GWB.
I look at back at NZ, and I see 14 years of budget surpluses and continuing;
why can a little pissy country like NZ able to balance the budget and reduce
national debt and yet the US, the so-called "economic powerhouse" can't get
its house in order?
As for the elderly, NZ government setup a superfund which will have around
$30billion by the time the baby boomers retire, as for my parents, well,
seeing that they own 3 properties (not including their own) and a decent
number of shares in Telecom, Contact Energy and a few others, I don't think
they'll be up ***** creek.
Most likely an honest government. The U.S. gov. is so dishonest that it
could never keep their hands out of the cookie jar. It's like asking a
fox to guard your chicken house.
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
05 Oct 2004 06:18:53 AM |
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On 5/10/04 4:00 AM, in article Uf-dnVhAvK22EvzcRVn-vw@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
Well, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue to vote in incompetent
half wits like GWB.
I look at back at NZ, and I see 14 years of budget surpluses and continuing;
why can a little pissy country like NZ able to balance the budget and reduce
national debt and yet the US, the so-called "economic powerhouse" can't get
its house in order?
As for the elderly, NZ government setup a superfund which will have around
$30billion by the time the baby boomers retire, as for my parents, well,
seeing that they own 3 properties (not including their own) and a decent
number of shares in Telecom, Contact Energy and a few others, I don't think
they'll be up ***** creek.
Most likely an honest government. The U.S. gov. is so dishonest that it
could never keep their hands out of the cookie jar. It's like asking a
fox to guard your chicken house.
True, but then again, we have 7 parties in parliament, none of the big
parties take their position for granted; Both National and Labour have
learned the results of what happens when they get too cocky.
Matty
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
04 Oct 2004 12:56:38 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:10:58 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
Well, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue to vote in incompetent
half wits like GWB.
That because you ARE STUPID ENOUGH to remain in an island ***** hole
that makes the slums of the Philippines look like Shangra-La. Realize
every sheep fuckers dream, ugly-boy, sell your rubber boots and sheep
shears and come to AMERICA!
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
04 Oct 2004 07:03:51 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:10:58 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message <BD871882.2AB6%kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>:
Well, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue to vote in incompetent
half wits like GWB.
I look at back at NZ, and I see 14 years of budget surpluses and continuing;
why can a little pissy country like NZ able to balance the budget and reduce
national debt and yet the US, the so-called "economic powerhouse" can't get
its house in order?
As for the elderly, NZ government setup a superfund which will have around
$30billion by the time the baby boomers retire, as for my parents, well,
seeing that they own 3 properties (not including their own) and a decent
number of shares in Telecom, Contact Energy and a few others, I don't think
they'll be up ***** creek.
Matty
they'll never get to enjoy all that if some Jihadder whacks them.
kill the Muslims first!
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member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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04 Oct 2004 07:35:18 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:0ga2m0tubf97uh6qaajmu8ee6durm7kv8f@4ax.com...
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:10:58 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message <BD871882.2AB6%kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>:
Well, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to continue to vote in
incompetent
half wits like GWB.
I look at back at NZ, and I see 14 years of budget surpluses and
continuing;
why can a little pissy country like NZ able to balance the budget and
reduce
national debt and yet the US, the so-called "economic powerhouse" can't
get
its house in order?
As for the elderly, NZ government setup a superfund which will have
around
$30billion by the time the baby boomers retire, as for my parents, well,
seeing that they own 3 properties (not including their own) and a decent
number of shares in Telecom, Contact Energy and a few others, I don't
think
they'll be up ***** creek.
Matty
they'll never get to enjoy all that if some Jihadder whacks them.
you getting ideas fag boy?
kill the Muslims first!
since you like killing you do it fag boy.
Little Johnny, on a day when he was being particularly reckless, was playing
in the backyard one morning. Soon, some honeybees started swirling around,
annoying little Johnny. He began stomping on them in his temper. His father
caught him trampling the honeybees, and after a brief moment of thought
said, "That's it! No honey for you for one month!"
Later that afternoon, Johnny pondered upon some butterflies, and soon
started catching them and crushing them under his feet. His father again
caught him, and after a brief moment of thought, said, "No butter for you
for one month!"
Early that evening, Johnny's mother was cooking dinner, and got jumpy when
cockroaches started scurrying around the kitchen floor. She began stomping
on them one by one until all the cockroaches were dead. Johnny's mother
looked up to find Johnny and his father standing there watching her. To
which Johnny said, "Are you going to tell her, daddy, or should I?"
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 12:51:00 PM |
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Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
Treasury Secretary Snow the next day said the deficit was controllable.
Now who are you going to believe?
The Bush administration has admitted that it has no plan to ever
balance the budget. There are deficits projected for at least the
next decade.
That's what happened to Argentina. The debt grew so large that they
could no longer pay interest and pay for services.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Tempest" |
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03 Oct 2004 01:16:26 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
Treasury Secretary Snow the next day said the deficit was controllable.
Now who are you going to believe?
The Bush administration has admitted that it has no plan to ever
balance the budget. There are deficits projected for at least the
next decade.
That's what happened to Argentina. The debt grew so large that they
could no longer pay interest and pay for services.
Grover Norquist admitted that the Repug plan was to starve government to
the size where it could be drowned in a bathtub.
I don't think the rightards understand global economics and just what
kind of damage their policies can do, and have done.
--
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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03 Oct 2004 01:00:56 PM |
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Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Treasury Secretary Snow the next day said the deficit was controllable.
Now who are you going to believe?
Actually, none of them.
--
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Oct 2004 11:22:55 PM |
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GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
If the economy tanks then nobody will give a ***** about the Federal
Reserve system.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mel" |
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04 Oct 2004 07:03:52 AM |
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 04:22:55 GMT, (Ray Fischer)
wrote in message <cjqj6u$ik3$1@bolt.sonic.net>:
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
If the economy tanks then nobody will give a ***** about the Federal
Reserve system.
Come the Revolution, Greenspan will be first up against the wall!!!
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member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
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http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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04 Oct 2004 07:37:06 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:9ia2m0tsrpo3ac20k9hoeej16lf3sllr6d@4ax.com...
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 04:22:55 GMT, (Ray Fischer)
wrote in message <cjqj6u$ik3$1@bolt.sonic.net>:
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say
"Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
If the economy tanks then nobody will give a ***** about the Federal
Reserve system.
Come the Revolution, Greenspan will be first up against the wall!!!
and you should be there as a target during target practice fag boy.
One day, during a lesson on proper grammar, the teacher asked for a show of
hands for who could use the word "beautiful" in the same sentence twice.
First, she called on little Suzy, who responded with, "My father bought my
mother a beautiful dress and she looked beautiful in it."
"Very good, Suzy," replied the teacher. She then called on little Michael.
"My mommy planned a beautiful banquet and it turned out beautifully," he
said.
"Excellent, Michael!" Then, the teacher called on little Johnny.
"Last night, at the dinner table, my sister told my father that she was
pregnant, and he said, 'Beautiful, fucking beautiful!'"
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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04 Oct 2004 01:01:16 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
If the economy tanks then nobody will give a ***** about the Federal
Reserve system.
Yeah, but what will you do?
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Matty" |
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04 Oct 2004 12:06:00 AM |
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On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
Matty
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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04 Oct 2004 01:02:43 PM |
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Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
You mean a depression worse than the Great Depression. That will have
repercussions world wide.
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
05 Oct 2004 06:22:01 AM |
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On 5/10/04 4:02 AM, in article Uf-dnVpAvK0sEvzcRVn-vw@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
You mean a depression worse than the Great Depression. That will have
repercussions world wide.
True, but it depends. Those whose main revenue streams come from the US will
feel the pinch, however, those that don't, namely those countries whose
investments are spread evenly across the globe, those countries will only
see a mild decrease in profits.
The US right now is going through a debt driven, jobless "recovery", whilst
every possible thing is going wrong in the US economically, the rest of the
world isn't going so badly.
Matty
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| User: "Jason McNorton" |
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05 Oct 2004 07:24:39 AM |
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In article <BD88C0F9.2C3C%>,
says...
On 5/10/04 4:02 AM, in article Uf-dnVpAvK0sEvzcRVn-vw@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
You mean a depression worse than the Great Depression. That will have
repercussions world wide.
True, but it depends. Those whose main revenue streams come from the US will
feel the pinch, however, those that don't, namely those countries whose
investments are spread evenly across the globe, those countries will only
see a mild decrease in profits.
The US right now is going through a debt driven, jobless "recovery", whilst
every possible thing is going wrong in the US economically, the rest of the
world isn't going so badly.
It's unreal that anyone thinks the 'rest of the world' is doing better
than the USA
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05 Oct 2004 01:58:52 PM |
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Jason McNorton wrote:
In article <BD88C0F9.2C3C% >,
says...
On 5/10/04 4:02 AM, in article Uf-dnVpAvK0sEvzcRVn-vw@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
You mean a depression worse than the Great Depression. That will have
repercussions world wide.
True, but it depends. Those whose main revenue streams come from the US will
feel the pinch, however, those that don't, namely those countries whose
investments are spread evenly across the globe, those countries will only
see a mild decrease in profits.
The US right now is going through a debt driven, jobless "recovery", whilst
every possible thing is going wrong in the US economically, the rest of the
world isn't going so badly.
It's unreal that anyone thinks the 'rest of the world' is doing better
than the USA
Hello
Think of it like the Wile.E.Coyote in the Road Runner, as he goes over a
cliff. It really depends on how much the other countries of the world
want to prop up US debt. Iraq is very draining.
Mike Engles
Mike Engles
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| User: "Matty" |
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05 Oct 2004 09:15:14 AM |
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On 5/10/04 10:24 PM, in article
MPG.1bcc4e863641f0da98971e@news-40.giganews.com, "Jason McNorton"
<jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <BD88C0F9.2C3C% >,
says...
On 5/10/04 4:02 AM, in article Uf-dnVpAvK0sEvzcRVn-vw@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances
run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
You mean a depression worse than the Great Depression. That will have
repercussions world wide.
True, but it depends. Those whose main revenue streams come from the US will
feel the pinch, however, those that don't, namely those countries whose
investments are spread evenly across the globe, those countries will only
see a mild decrease in profits.
The US right now is going through a debt driven, jobless "recovery", whilst
every possible thing is going wrong in the US economically, the rest of the
world isn't going so badly.
It's unreal that anyone thinks the 'rest of the world' is doing better
than the USA
Hmm, ok, lets do a "trip around the globe" shall we?
New Zealand: 4.5% unemployment and decreasing; rising government surplus,
increasing weekly income, economy booming along at a healthy 4-4.5%
Australia: 5.5% unemployment and decreasing, rising government surplus,
increasing weekly income, economy booming long at a respectable 3.5-4%
United Kingdom: economy booming long at a respectable 3.6%, unemployment
sitting at 4.7% and dropping, increasing weekly earnings
As for the three markets, the inflation is low (within the parameters set by
the respective Reserve Bank legislation), interest rates are low as well.
As for the rest of the world; according to the IMF (
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2004/02/index.htm ), the growth rate
has been a respectable 4-5% for this year.
Matty
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05 Oct 2004 03:22:16 PM |
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Matty wrote:
On 5/10/04 4:02 AM, in article Uf-dnVpAvK0sEvzcRVn-vw@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 4/10/04 4:00 AM, in article VLGdnceIbaZboP3cRVn-uA@bresnan.com,
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Tempest wrote:
[ ... ]
Keep saying that, $7.1trillion debt and rising. Can we say "Argentina"?
A couple of weeks ago the head of the IMF said if the U.S. doesn't get
it's trade imbalance and deficit under control, it would cause a
world-wide recession later next year.
I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
At this rate I expect it to cave in by Oct. 2005. But between now and
then, we'll have to see what happens.
If the economy tanks, the big question will be: what will the Federal
reserve do to the money system?
Public sector will continue to grow due to the large amount of money being
spent on "programmes", this debt will result in inflation being fuelled,
which will result in higher interest rates.
Let me tell you, it will be funny in 4 years time when the next minister of
finance gets up and tells America that the US budget will have to have
drastic cut backs. Cut backs in all areas, and guess what will happen? Do
you *really* think half the companies who have set up shop in the US will
hang around once those crushy government contracts are no longer available?
They'll ***** off overseas and look for countries who have their finances run
properly.
So not only expect higher interest rates but also deep budget cuts and
higher unemployment.
You mean a depression worse than the Great Depression. That will have
repercussions world wide.
True, but it depends. Those whose main revenue streams come from the US will
feel the pinch, however, those that don't, namely those countries whose
investments are spread evenly across the globe, those countries will only
see a mild decrease in profits.
The US right now is going through a debt driven, jobless "recovery", whilst
every possible thing is going wrong in the US economically, the rest of the
world isn't going so badly.
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Mel" |
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06 Oct 2004 10:36:14 AM |
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:22:16 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <n66dnUh4iOx4nP7cRVn-hw@bresnan.com>:
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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06 Oct 2004 06:47:19 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:i2q6m0dlpbj7unvo69a2b1d82b8i422snl@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:22:16 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <n66dnUh4iOx4nP7cRVn-hw@bresnan.com>:
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
you gonna save the world with your funny money fag boy?
Benefits of Being a Woman
We got off the Titanic first.
We get to flirt with systems support men who always return our calls, and
are nice to us when we blow up our computers.
Our boyfriend's clothes make us look elfin & gorgeous. Guys look like
complete idiots in ours.
We can be groupies. Male groupies are stalkers.
We can cry and get off speeding fines.
We've never lusted after a cartoon character or the central figure in a
computer game.
Taxis stop for us.
Men die earlier, so we get to cash in on the life insurance.
We don't look like a frog in a blender when dancing.
Free drinks, free dinners.
We can hug our friends without wondering if they're gay.
We can hug our friends without wondering if WE'RE gay.
New lipstick gives us a whole new lease on life.
If we're not making enough money we can blame the glass ceiling.
It's possible to live our whole lives without ever taking a group shower.
No fashion faux pas we make could ever rival The Speedo.
We don't have to fart to amuse ourselves.
If we forget to shave, no one has to know.
We can congratulate our teammate without ever touching her butt.
If we have a zit, we know how to conceal it.
We never have to reach down every so often to make sure our privates are
still there.
If we're dumb, some people will find it cute.
We don't have to memorize Caddyshack or Fletch to fit in.
We have the ability to dress ourselves.
We can talk to people of the opposite sex without having to picture them
naked.
If we marry someone 20 years younger, we're aware that we look like an
idiot.
There are times when chocolate really can solve all your problems.
We'll never regret piercing our ears.
We can fully assess a person just by looking at their shoes.
We'll never discover we've been duped by a Wonderbra.
We know which glass was ours by the lipstick mark.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "forge" |
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10 Oct 2004 01:07:45 PM |
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In article <416483a3_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"GP of ATJ" <GP_of_ATJ@NoFagBoysAllowed.Com> wrote:
We get to flirt with systems support men who always return our calls, and
are nice to us when we blow up our computers.
No joke - plus, you want grade-A service at a junkyard? Bring along a
twentysomething woman in shorts and a halter top. Watch guys who
wouldn't give another guy the time of day, fall all over themselves to
go pull that part and hand it over.
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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06 Oct 2004 06:13:02 PM |
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Mel wrote:
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:22:16 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <n66dnUh4iOx4nP7cRVn-hw@bresnan.com>:
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
Those may be your famous last words.
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Mel" |
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08 Oct 2004 11:42:06 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:13:02 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <uvmdnSdZAJ305vncRVn-vg@bresnan.com>:
Mel wrote:
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:22:16 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
Those may be your famous last words.
Well some people have predicted that it will re-occur but I just don't see
it happening.
The Great Depression occurred due to a wholescale loss of confidence in the
economic system of the time.
the 1920s saw a huge boom in stock market prices. some people became
fabulously wealthy (on paper). they thought it was an economic miracle. and
then in 1929 came the big correction and all that paper wealth was wiped
out. people were jumping out of windows. people were shooting themselves.
those who remained alive felt that the world had come to an end. they
couldn't cope and there were no psychologists worth a damn to see. they
didn't know what to do. they couldn't see the light at the end of the
tunnel.
Roosevelt tried to revitalise things by introducing one New Deal after
another and nothing worked a damn. there were no effective anti-depressant
medications on the market. Pfizer was still dicking around in its labs
trying one experiment after another on its lab rats, with no luck.
Roosevelt had one last card up his sleeve to play. Get into WWII. So he
deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking. Once he had got America
into the war, people had a new goal, a new motivation and soon America's
shipyards were popping out a Liberty Ship every other day.
America has never looked back. Nowadays whenever a stock trader starts to
feel depressed, he visits a psychiatrist who asks him "how do you feel?"
while writing out a prescription for prozac.
No, it's onward and upward. There's just too many good drugs around to ever
feel depressed again.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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12 Oct 2004 10:46:09 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:3nddm0l80t59ktuhlp7bhdlpfqg0ner558@4ax.com...
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:13:02 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <uvmdnSdZAJ305vncRVn-vg@bresnan.com>:
Mel wrote:
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:22:16 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote
in
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
Those may be your famous last words.
Well some people have predicted that it will re-occur but I just don't see
it happening.
is it because you're wearing a blindfold fag boy?
The Great Depression occurred due to a wholescale loss of confidence in
the
economic system of the time.
it'd of been worse if your were running things fag boy.
the 1920s saw a huge boom in stock market prices. some people became
fabulously wealthy (on paper). they thought it was an economic miracle.
and
then in 1929 came the big correction and all that paper wealth was wiped
out. people were jumping out of windows. people were shooting themselves.
too bad you can't do the same thing fag boy.
those who remained alive felt that the world had come to an end. they
couldn't cope and there were no psychologists worth a damn to see. they
didn't know what to do. they couldn't see the light at the end of the
tunnel.
it was night time fag boy.
Roosevelt tried to revitalise things by introducing one New Deal after
another and nothing worked a damn. there were no effective anti-depressant
medications on the market. Pfizer was still dicking around in its labs
trying one experiment after another on its lab rats, with no luck.
why don't you become a lab rat fag boy.
Roosevelt had one last card up his sleeve to play. Get into WWII. So he
deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking. Once he had got America
into the war, people had a new goal, a new motivation and soon America's
shipyards were popping out a Liberty Ship every other day.
is that what you read in your comic book fag boy?
America has never looked back. Nowadays whenever a stock trader starts to
feel depressed, he visits a psychiatrist who asks him "how do you feel?"
while writing out a prescription for prozac.
why don't you pop a case of them at once fag boy.
No, it's onward and upward. There's just too many good drugs around to
ever
feel depressed again.
you're the expert on drugs fag boy.
Memo From God
Memo to: The members of the Kansas Board of Education
From: God
Re: Your decision to eliminate the teaching of evolution as science.
Thank you for your support. Much obliged.
Now, go forth and multiply. Beget many children. And yea, your children
shall beget children. And their children shall beget children, and their
children's children after them. And in time the genes that have made you
such pinheads will be eliminated through natural selection. Because that is
how it works.
Listen, I love all my creatures equally, and gave each his own special
qualities to help him on Earth. The horse I gave great strength. The
antelope I gave great grace and speed. The dung beetle I gave great
stupidity, so he doesn't realize he is a dung beetle. Man I gave a brain.
Use it, okay?
I admit I am not perfect. I've made errors. (Armpit hair--what was I
thinking?) But do you Kansans seriously believe that I
droppedhalf-a-billion-year-old trilobite skeletons all over my great green
Earth by mistake? What, I had a few lying around some previous creation in
the Andromeda galaxy, and they fell through a hole in my pocket? You were
supposed to find them. And once you found them, you were supposed to draw
the appropriate, intelligent conclusions.
That's what I made you for: To think.
The folks who wrote the Bible were smart and good people. Mostly, they got
it right. But there were glitches. Imprecisions. For one thing, they said
that Adam and Eve begat Cain and Abel, and then Cain begat Enoch. How was
that supposed to have happened? They left out Tiffany entirely! Well, they
also were a little off on certain elements of timing and sequence. So what?
You guys were supposed to figure it all out for yourselves, anyway. When you
stumble over the truth, you are not supposed to pick yourself up, dust
yourself off and proceed on as though nothing had happened. If you find a
dinosaur's toe, you're not supposed to look for reasons to call it a
croissant. You're not big, drooling idiots. For that, I made dogs. Why do
you think there are no fossilized human toes dating from a hundred million
years ago? Think about it.
It's okay if you think. In fact, I prefer it. That's why I like Charlie
Darwin. He was always a thinker. Still is. He and I chat frequently. I know
a lot of people figure that if man evolved from other organisms, it means I
don't exist. I have to admit this is a reasonable assumption and a valid
line of thought. I am in favor of thought. I encourage you to pursue this
concept with an open mind, and see where it leads you. That's all I have to
say right now, except that I'm really cheesed off at laugh tracks on
sitcoms, and the NRA, and people who make simple declarative sentences sound
like questions?
Oh, wait. There's one more thing.
Did you read in the newspapers yesterday how scientists in Australia dug up
some rocks and found fossilized remains of life dating back further than
ever before? Primitive, multicelled animals on Earth nearly 3 billion years
ago, when the planet was nothing but roiling muck and ice and fire. And
inside those cells was . . . DNA. Incredibly complex strands of chemicals,
laced together in a scheme so sophisticated no one yet understands exactly
how it works. I wonder who could have thought of something like that, back
then.
Just something to gnaw on.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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08 Oct 2004 03:44:15 PM |
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Mel wrote:
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:13:02 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <uvmdnSdZAJ305vncRVn-vg@bresnan.com>:
Mel wrote:
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:22:16 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
I hope so for your own sake. The last Great Depression hit the whole
world economically, even tho other countries weren't at fault. They
still felt the repercussions.
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
Those may be your famous last words.
Well some people have predicted that it will re-occur but I just don't see
it happening.
Not in the normal ways that people will expect it to happen... that is
the problem. Just like the WTC... it never occured how terrorists would
strike until it actually happens... it will be a major shock.
The Great Depression occurred due to a wholescale loss of confidence in the
economic system of the time.
No it wasn't. It was people who borrowed money to play the stock
market. When there was a margin call, when the markets were dropping,
the people that borrowed lost their shirts.
This was the norm back then to borrow money. During the 50's and 60's,
the laws were quite plain... you can't borrow money to place a market
order. Now the bankers have again gotten their ways and it is legal to
do so again. Very stupid! Yet another batch of green-behind-the-ears
market players.
the 1920s saw a huge boom in stock market prices. some people became
fabulously wealthy (on paper). they thought it was an economic miracle. and
then in 1929 came the big correction and all that paper wealth was wiped
out. people were jumping out of windows. people were shooting themselves.
those who remained alive felt that the world had come to an end. they
couldn't cope and there were no psychologists worth a damn to see. they
didn't know what to do. they couldn't see the light at the end of the
tunnel.
That's because too many idiots borrowed money to play the markets.
Read some history.
Roosevelt tried to revitalise things by introducing one New Deal after
another and nothing worked a damn.
That's because the bankers had a strangle hold on the country.
They wouldn't loan anybody anything and they couldn't get any guarantees.
there were no effective anti-depressant
medications on the market. Pfizer was still dicking around in its labs
trying one experiment after another on its lab rats, with no luck.
Roosevelt had one last card up his sleeve to play. Get into WWII.
That was the only way out... and he knew it after his wife toured the
country. My father was there and he explained it to me verbatim of what
happened. By stopping the flow of trade to Japan was a recipe for war.
So he
deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking. Once he had got America
into the war, people had a new goal, a new motivation and soon America's
shipyards were popping out a Liberty Ship every other day.
A side point that I one might be able to verify as it is engraved in
stone (concrete maybe)... the many drydocks at Puget Sound Naval
Shipyard have markers of when they were built. Most of the deep
drydocks have a 1935 to 1938 completion date on them. It seems that
Roosevelt was planning for the War with Japan and knew it was inevitable.
America has never looked back. Nowadays whenever a stock trader starts to
feel depressed, he visits a psychiatrist who asks him "how do you feel?"
while writing out a prescription for prozac.
No, it's onward and upward. There's just too many good drugs around to ever
feel depressed again.
LOL!! And yet the fools continue to borrow hoping to strike it rich.
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Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r
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11 Oct 2004 10:58:03 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:44:15 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <R56dnUcq-fMXZvvcRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>:
Mel wrote:
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
Those may be your famous last words.
Well some people have predicted that it will re-occur but I just don't see
it happening.
Not in the normal ways that people will expect it to happen... that is
the problem. Just like the WTC... it never occured how terrorists would
strike until it actually happens... it will be a major shock.
the stock market plummet of 1929 was a huge shock to people who did not
expect it.
The Great Depression occurred due to a wholescale loss of confidence in the
economic system of the time.
No it wasn't.
yep, it was. some observers felt that Capitalism had failed and they thought
Communism was the answer. Many Americans went over to Stalin's Russia in the
years following the 1929 crash.
It was people who borrowed money to play the stock market.
so what? people make mistakes all the time and lose money. it doesn't lead
to depressions.
That's because too many idiots borrowed money to play the markets.
so what? they didn't lose their own money. they could just renege on the
debts and takeoff for a new state.
A side point that I one might be able to verify as it is engraved in
stone (concrete maybe)... the many drydocks at Puget Sound Naval
Shipyard have markers of when they were built. Most of the deep
drydocks have a 1935 to 1938 completion date on them. It seems that
Roosevelt was planning for the War with Japan and knew it was inevitable.
of course. it was in the pipeline all along. Roosevelt pushed and pushed and
pushed Japan. Japan had already embarked on a military campaign of expansion
- they invaded China in the 1920s (Manchuria). The Japanese were just
begging to get their asses kicked and Roosevelt wanted to be the man to do
that.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was announced to the public as an out-of-the-blue
sneak attack, but it was expected. Timely warning was not provided to Pearl
Harbor, because it was better that it appear to be a sneak attack. But they
got the carriers out. and then they had every reason to kick the bejesus of
Japan, even nuking the fiendish yellow bastards. if Germany had lasted
longer, no doubt they would have got a nuke or two too. pity that.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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11 Oct 2004 01:01:40 PM |
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Mel wrote:
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:44:15 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in
message <R56dnUcq-fMXZvvcRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>:
Mel wrote:
i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
Those may be your famous last words.
Well some people have predicted that it will re-occur but I just don't see
it happening.
Not in the normal ways that people will expect it to happen... that is
the problem. Just like the WTC... it never occured how terrorists would
strike until it actually happens... it will be a major shock.
the stock market plummet of 1929 was a huge shock to people who did not
expect it.
I could only suppose that that could be true, but I'm more of the mind
that there were many aspects of how people felt. On the farm, where a
farmer could grow food, banks wouldn't loan them any money. Yet the
farmer had the means to grow food. I suppose it was a downward spiral
of the banks not trusting the farmer being unable to sell his food to
people that didn't have any money. Some farmers figured it out and had
managed to allow for their own seeds for next years crops. They
weathered the storm, which was where my father was at. The people in
the cities was a different scenario... food lines.
But we have to remember that the banks are private, not government run.
Yet the gov. sat by for quite a while before acting.
The Great Depression occurred due to a wholescale loss of confidence in the
economic system of the time.
No it wasn't.
yep, it was. some observers felt that Capitalism had failed and they thought
Communism was the answer. Many Americans went over to Stalin's Russia in the
years following the 1929 crash.
Yes, some did. That was their current perception of the problem. The
problem started back in 1915 tho. That was the abandonment of the
Congressional banking system which worked well. The law is very
specific: Congress shall be the only one to coin money. Of course the
federal reserve 'printed' money, which I consider to be a legal loophole.
I find it odd that Woodrow Wilson on his deathbed said "I've betrayed my
country."
It was people who borrowed money to play the stock market.
so what? people make mistakes all the time and lose money. it doesn't lead
to depressions.
In this case people borrowed for the whole enchilada. After that laws
were passed so that you couldn't borrow money to invest in the markets.
When a margin call came when the stocks were dropping, these borrowers
lost everything. The bankers paniced and stopped loaning money.
That's why they also call it the 1929 panic.
That's because too many idiots borrowed money to play the markets.
so what? they didn't lose their own money. they could just renege on the
debts and takeoff for a new state.
Hehehe... I suspect they did. But the bankers stopped loaning because
of it. Some commited suicide.
A side point that I one might be able to verify as it is engraved in
stone (concrete maybe)... the many drydocks at Puget Sound Naval
Shipyard have markers of when they were built. Most of the deep
drydocks have a 1935 to 1938 completion date on them. It seems that
Roosevelt was planning for the War with Japan and knew it was inevitable.
of course. it was in the pipeline all along. Roosevelt pushed and pushed and
pushed Japan. Japan had already embarked on a military campaign of expansion
- they invaded China in the 1920s (Manchuria). The Japanese were just
begging to get their asses kicked and Roosevelt wanted to be the man to do
that.
I'd believe it from what my father told me about that era. He was in
the FBI at the time and he was primarily in the public shipyards
investigating thefts.
The attack on Pearl Harbor was announced to the public as an out-of-the-blue
sneak attack, but it was expected. Timely warning was not provided to Pearl
Harbor, because it was better that it appear to be a sneak attack. But they
got the carriers out. and then they had every reason to kick the bejesus of
Japan, even nuking the fiendish yellow bastards. if Germany had lasted
longer, no doubt they would have got a nuke or two too. pity that.
My father expected it to happen, just didn't know when.
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Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
11 Oct 2004 01:12:13 PM |
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"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:2dmdndKFne9wVPfcRVn-iw@bresnan.com...
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:
: Mel wrote:
:
: > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:44:15 -0600, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote
in
: > message <R56dnUcq-fMXZvvcRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>:
: >
: >>Mel wrote:
: >>
: >>>>>i don't think there will ever be another Great Depression.
: >>>>
: >>>>Those may be your famous last words.
: >>>
: >>>Well some people have predicted that it will re-occur but I just don't
see
: >>>it happening.
: >>
: >>Not in the normal ways that people will expect it to happen... that is
: >>the problem. Just like the WTC... it never occured how terrorists would
: >>strike until it actually happens... it will be a major shock.
: >
: >
: > the stock market plummet of 1929 was a huge shock to people who did not
: > expect it.
: >
:
: I could only suppose that that could be true, but I'm more of the mind
: that there were many aspects of how people felt. On the farm, where a
: farmer could grow food, banks wouldn't loan them any money. Yet the
: farmer had the means to grow food. I suppose it was a downward spiral
: of the banks not trusting the farmer being unable to sell his food to
: people that didn't have any money. Some farmers figured it out and had
: managed to allow for their own seeds for next years crops. They
: weathered the storm, which was where my father was at. The people in
: the cities was a different scenario... food lines.
: But we have to remember that the banks are private, not government run.
: Yet the gov. sat by for quite a while before acting.
:
: >
: >>>The Great Depression occurred due to a wholescale loss of confidence in
the
: >>>economic system of the time.
: >>
: >>No it wasn't.
: >
: >
: > yep, it was. some observers felt that Capitalism had failed and they
thought
: > Communism was the answer. Many Americans went over to Stalin's Russia in
the
: > years following the 1929 crash.
:
: Yes, some did. That was their current perception of the problem. The
: problem started back in 1915 tho. That was the abandonment of the
: Congressional banking system which worked well. The law is very
: specific: Congress shall be the only one to coin money. Of course the
: federal reserve 'printed' money, which I consider to be a legal loophole.
:
: I find it odd that Woodrow Wilson on his deathbed said "I've betrayed my
: country."
:
: >
: >
: >>It was people who borrowed money to play the stock market.
: >
: >
: > so what? people make mistakes all the time and lose money. it doesn't
lead
: > to depressions.
:
: In this case people borrowed for the whole enchilada. After that laws
: were passed so that you couldn't borrow money to invest in the markets.
: When a margin call came when the stocks were dropping, these borrowers
: lost everything. The bankers paniced and stopped loaning money.
: That's why they also call it the 1929 panic.
:
: >
: >
: >>That's because too many idiots borrowed money to play the markets.
: >
: >
: > so what? they didn't lose their own money. they could just renege on the
: > debts and takeoff for a new state.
:
: Hehehe... I suspect they did. But the bankers stopped loaning because
: of it. Some commited suicide.
:
: >
: >
: >>A side point that I one might be able to verify as it is engraved in
: >>stone (concrete maybe)... the many drydocks at Puget Sound Naval
: >>Shipyard have markers of when they were built. Most of the deep
: >>drydocks have a 1935 to 1938 completion date on them. It seems that
: >>Roosevelt was planning for the War with Japan and knew it was
inevitable.
: >
: >
: > of course. it was in the pipeline all along. Roosevelt pushed and pushed
and
: > pushed Japan. Japan had already embarked on a military campaign of
expansion
: > - they invaded China in the 1920s (Manchuria). The Japanese were just
: > begging to get their asses kicked and Roosevelt wanted to be the man to
do
: > that.
: >
:
: I'd believe it from what my father told me about that era. He was in
: the FBI at the time and he was primarily in the public shipyards
: investigating thefts.
A lot of golden rivets were looted eh?..... gosh that must have been
a ***** job
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