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"Gactimus" |
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01 Oct 2004 09:06:17 PM |
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Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
Irony watch: I admit I've been flip-flopping this morning.
On the one hand, last night Kerry was the best he was since the Democratic
convention, and maybe the primaries. My head is saying, that's got to give
him at least a point or two in the polls, if not more. He no longer looks
orange, he no longer is giving dull, droning, rambling answers. If he
didn't quite look presidential, he stopped looking like the tall Dukakis.
On the other hand, my gut is saying that Kerry didn't do what he needed to
do. Kerry Spot reader John points out that the Democratic candidate gave
his foes a lot of ammunition for the coming days:
Kerry obviously won on style. He looked good. But who has the material
to work with and exploit over the next week? Clearly Bush.
1. "Global test?" Major mistake. We're gonna hear a lot about this.
Probably today. Hopefully today.
2. Kerry didn't seem to know there were already sanctions on Iran.
3. Summit. Summit. Summit. Blah, Blah. Blah.
4. Kerry is opposed to the nuclear bunker busters as though we're the
moral equivelant of our enemies. How very 80's of him.
5. Kerry certainly won Kim Jong Il's vote.
6. Kerry wants both bi-lateral AND multi-lateral discussions with
North Korea? Sheesh. How about a stand? Sorry, forgot who we're
dealing with.
7. Kerry said nuclear proliferation is his greatest fear and opposes
missile defense? Uhm, okay.
8. He mis-spoke about the 87 billion dollars? How about, as Bush might
put it, he mis-voted? Terrible reponse.
9. Was Iraq a mistake, or wasn't it? He doesn't know. He says both in
the same debate. I rub my hands in anticipation of the RNC's
commercial on this.
10. No subways were closed during the Republican convention as Kerry
maintained. Duh.
There's little I see for Kerry to work with coming out of this debate
in a substantive way. Bush can make hay. Kerry can pump his fist in
the air. I'd prefer both but given the choice, I'll take the hay.
Maybe I can Kerry my way out of these conflicting senses. Kerry's style
was dramatically improved, but the substance of his answers is going to
hurt him in the coming days... and I return to my prediction of last
night, no dramatic movement in the polls in either direction.
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| User: "HappyHippo" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
01 Oct 2004 09:09:54 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Irony watch: I admit I've been flip-flopping this morning.
On the one hand, last night Kerry was the best he was since the Democratic
convention, and maybe the primaries. My head is saying, that's got to give
him at least a point or two in the polls, if not more. He no longer looks
orange, he no longer is giving dull, droning, rambling answers. If he
didn't quite look presidential, he stopped looking like the tall Dukakis.
On the other hand, my gut is saying that Kerry didn't do what he needed to
do. Kerry Spot reader John points out that the Democratic candidate gave
his foes a lot of ammunition for the coming days:
Kerry obviously won on style. He looked good. But who has the material
to work with and exploit over the next week? Clearly Bush.
1. "Global test?" Major mistake. We're gonna hear a lot about this.
Probably today. Hopefully today.
2. Kerry didn't seem to know there were already sanctions on Iran.
3. Summit. Summit. Summit. Blah, Blah. Blah.
4. Kerry is opposed to the nuclear bunker busters as though we're the
moral equivelant of our enemies. How very 80's of him.
5. Kerry certainly won Kim Jong Il's vote.
6. Kerry wants both bi-lateral AND multi-lateral discussions with
North Korea? Sheesh. How about a stand? Sorry, forgot who we're
dealing with.
7. Kerry said nuclear proliferation is his greatest fear and opposes
missile defense? Uhm, okay.
8. He mis-spoke about the 87 billion dollars? How about, as Bush might
put it, he mis-voted? Terrible reponse.
9. Was Iraq a mistake, or wasn't it? He doesn't know. He says both in
the same debate. I rub my hands in anticipation of the RNC's
commercial on this.
10. No subways were closed during the Republican convention as Kerry
maintained. Duh.
There's little I see for Kerry to work with coming out of this debate
in a substantive way. Bush can make hay. Kerry can pump his fist in
the air. I'd prefer both but given the choice, I'll take the hay.
Maybe I can Kerry my way out of these conflicting senses. Kerry's style
was dramatically improved, but the substance of his answers is going to
hurt him in the coming days... and I return to my prediction of last
night, no dramatic movement in the polls in either direction.
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
01 Oct 2004 09:44:41 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
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| User: "HappyHippo" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
01 Oct 2004 09:50:40 PM |
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wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
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| User: "" |
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02 Oct 2004 01:19:23 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
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| User: "Matty" |
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02 Oct 2004 06:56:15 AM |
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On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old" and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
Matty
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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02 Oct 2004 07:04:57 AM |
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"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote
On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old" and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
Matty
Other than giant orangutans from Borneo, the only offshore/civilized threat to
Australia has been the Japanese, and the Americans certainly did their bit to
reduce that threat. Granted, some sex crazed randy New Zealanders could
try to make off with your sheep, but you could easily hold them off by firing
cans of Foster's their way.
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| User: "Matty" |
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02 Oct 2004 07:09:00 AM |
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On 2/10/04 10:04 PM, in article JPw7d.262642$bp1.17072@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote:
"Matty" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote
On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old" and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
Matty
Other than giant orangutans from Borneo, the only offshore/civilized threat to
Australia has been the Japanese, and the Americans certainly did their bit to
reduce that threat. Granted, some sex crazed randy New Zealanders could
try to make off with your sheep, but you could easily hold them off by firing
cans of Foster's their way.
Ewww, Fosters. Please, Give me some "42 Below" or Absolut Vodka *any day*
Matty
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| User: "" |
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02 Oct 2004 11:33:39 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:56:15 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old" and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
I love to hear the whine of the third world in the morning.
--
All the territorial possessions of all the political establishments in
the earth, including America, of course, consist of pilferings from
other people's wash. No tribe, howsoever insignificant, and no nation,
howsoever mighty occupies a foot of land that was not stolen.
-Mark Twain
Matty
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| User: "Matty" |
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02 Oct 2004 11:52:31 AM |
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On 3/10/04 2:33 AM, in article 1096734399.CwyoJ/gbZWsq61OWxVE+Ag@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:56:15 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old" and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
I love to hear the whine of the third world in the morning.
I love to hear the whine of the American in the morning; they start wars,
but apparently, its everyone else's responsibility to clean up the mess.
Would *any one* miss the US if it just suddenly disappeared? I mean, apart
from the reduced green house gas emissions, less fossil fuels being used,
and possibly a reduction in the price of oil; would anyone actually care if
the US just suddenly disappeared?
Matty
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| User: "Firelock" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
06 Oct 2004 10:37:30 AM |
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Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<BD8519EF.2906%kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>...
Would *any one* miss the US if it just suddenly disappeared?
Perhaps the millions of families who depend on cash from
their relatives who work in the USA for their own survival
might notice. And that big hole where trillions of dollars
worth of economic activity used to be ought to cause some
ripples in the global economic network.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "Matty" |
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03 Oct 2004 02:10:49 AM |
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On 3/10/04 4:15 AM, in article
6ae18$415ef0d2$4069ee8e$6377@msgid.meganewsservers.com, "Miles Long"
<Miles@home.net> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 3/10/04 2:33 AM, in article 1096734399.CwyoJ/gbZWsq61OWxVE+Ag@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:56:15 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old"
and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
I love to hear the whine of the third world in the morning.
I love to hear the whine of the American in the morning; they start wars,
but apparently, its everyone else's responsibility to clean up the mess.
Would *any one* miss the US if it just suddenly disappeared? I mean, apart
from the reduced green house gas emissions, less fossil fuels being used,
and possibly a reduction in the price of oil; would anyone actually care if
the US just suddenly disappeared?
Matty
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
Miles "Loan Shark" Long
True, up the upside is that they'll no longer have to hear a country whine
to them about human rights abuses.
Matty
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| User: "" |
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02 Oct 2004 02:11:36 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:15:56 -0500, Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
Matty wrote:
On 3/10/04 2:33 AM, in article 1096734399.CwyoJ/gbZWsq61OWxVE+Ag@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 21:56:15 +1000, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:
On 2/10/04 4:19 PM, in article 1096697575.jvtyQpEqCpA/MbVwyXUQZQ@teranews,
"wbt@privacy.net" <wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:50:40 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
wbt@privacy.net wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:09:54 +0200, HappyHippo <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Words, words, words...
What do you think the audience will remember?
Some words or this pitiable sight?
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/GWB_debate.jpg
This is what they will remember...
http://home.earthlink.net/~paradox3d/Kerry_at_law.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
Ah! The original Euro-Trash!
Yup, where news magazines have front pages like:
http://www.8ung.at/k8t4ever/Spiegel17_2004.jpg
Greetings from 'Old Europe'
And you very, very frightened about things like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5gap4
Still cowardly Euro-Trash
No, nothing would please me more than all European countries (both "old" and
"new") pulling out their troops and saying, "no troops unless Kerry becomes
president"; let the yanks sleep in the same bed they shat in. Another few
more Vietnams should wipe the smirk off the American publics face.
I love to hear the whine of the third world in the morning.
I love to hear the whine of the American in the morning; they start wars,
but apparently, its everyone else's responsibility to clean up the mess.
Would *any one* miss the US if it just suddenly disappeared? I mean, apart
from the reduced green house gas emissions, less fossil fuels being used,
and possibly a reduction in the price of oil; would anyone actually care if
the US just suddenly disappeared?
Matty
The United States IS THE WORLD. The rest of you are simply ornaments.
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Miles "Loan Shark" Long
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Oct 2004 02:37:46 PM |
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<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Matty" |
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03 Oct 2004 02:18:40 AM |
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On 3/10/04 5:37 AM, in article cjn029$po$1@bolt.sonic.net, "Ray Fischer"
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Matty
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| User: "Jason McNorton" |
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03 Oct 2004 02:28:45 AM |
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In article <BD85E4F0.29A1%>,
says...
On 3/10/04 5:37 AM, in article cjn029$po$1@bolt.sonic.net, "Ray Fischer"
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'. Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine. Those programs are all entitlements, btw.
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| User: "ZnU" |
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03 Oct 2004 08:44:27 PM |
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In article <MPG.1bc9662ad8d35df9989711@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <BD85E4F0.29A1% >,
says...
On 3/10/04 5:37 AM, in article cjn029$po$1@bolt.sonic.net, "Ray Fischer"
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'. Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine. Those programs are all entitlements, btw.
Actually, social security is running a surplus, and this money is put
into the general fund. If you got rid of social security and the
associated taxes, you'd *increase* the deficit.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your right-wing propaganda though.
--
"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today.... He married
a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas
girl, just like me."
-- George W. Bush in Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004
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03 Oct 2004 10:01:17 PM |
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In article <znu-C0DFB5.21442703102004@individual.net>,
says...
In article <MPG.1bc9662ad8d35df9989711@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <BD85E4F0.29A1% >,
says...
On 3/10/04 5:37 AM, in article cjn029$po$1@bolt.sonic.net, "Ray Fischer"
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'. Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine. Those programs are all entitlements, btw.
Actually, social security is running a surplus, and this money is put
into the general fund. If you got rid of social security and the
associated taxes, you'd *increase* the deficit.
I never said get rid of it. I said cut it, privitize it as much as
possible.
And since so many here are saying it's not a federal spending program
anyway, why not have it privitized?
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| User: "ZnU" |
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03 Oct 2004 11:25:12 PM |
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In article <MPG.1bca78f6b6f068df98971c@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <znu-C0DFB5.21442703102004@individual.net>,
says...
In article <MPG.1bc9662ad8d35df9989711@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <BD85E4F0.29A1% >,
says...
On 3/10/04 5:37 AM, in article cjn029$po$1@bolt.sonic.net, "Ray
Fischer"
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
<wbt@privacy.net> wrote:
Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote:
China would be pretty pissed, the US owing them so much of it's
National Debt and all.
We can afford it since we're the world's largest and most productive
economy.
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out
with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back
into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future
interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'. Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine. Those programs are all entitlements, btw.
Actually, social security is running a surplus, and this money is put
into the general fund. If you got rid of social security and the
associated taxes, you'd *increase* the deficit.
I never said get rid of it. I said cut it, privitize it as much as
possible.
And since so many here are saying it's not a federal spending program
anyway, why not have it privitized?
Because it won't work if people can choose not to pay into it.
--
"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today.... He married
a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas
girl, just like me."
-- George W. Bush in Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Oct 2004 12:48:33 PM |
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Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au
"Ray Fischer"
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'.
Right-wing propaganda, and patent *****.
The three biggest budget items are military spending, interest
payments on the debt, and Social Security. Social Security pays
for itself.
Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine.
If you cut Social Security then you have to eliminate Social Security
taxes. That would increase the deficit and the debt.
Those programs are all entitlements, btw.
when you let right-wing talk-radio do your thinking for you then you
write stupid things.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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03 Oct 2004 04:47:47 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au
"Ray Fischer"
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'.
Right-wing propaganda, and patent *****.
The three biggest budget items are military spending, interest
payments on the debt, and Social Security. Social Security pays
for itself.
Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine.
If you cut Social Security then you have to eliminate Social Security
taxes. That would increase the deficit and the debt.
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
--
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The Golden Years Sux.
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| User: "Jason McNorton" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 04:47:28 PM |
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In article <jNudnUn8gNBt7_3cRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>,
says...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au
"Ray Fischer"
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'.
Right-wing propaganda, and patent *****.
The three biggest budget items are military spending, interest
payments on the debt, and Social Security. Social Security pays
for itself.
Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine.
If you cut Social Security then you have to eliminate Social Security
taxes. That would increase the deficit and the debt.
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam. The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
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| User: "ZnU" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 08:54:58 PM |
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In article <MPG.1bca2f696e489706989716@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <jNudnUn8gNBt7_3cRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>,
says...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au
"Ray Fischer"
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out
with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future
interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'.
Right-wing propaganda, and patent *****.
The three biggest budget items are military spending, interest
payments on the debt, and Social Security. Social Security pays
for itself.
Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine.
If you cut Social Security then you have to eliminate Social Security
taxes. That would increase the deficit and the debt.
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam. The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
Yes, the productive members of society pay to support those who are not
productive. In return, it's understood that they'll be supported when
they're no longer productive. Shifts in the proportions of productive
vs. unproductive population can cause trouble for such a system,
obviously, and some of that might be looming for social security. But
that's true of any alternative you can think of. Think about this.
Ignore money; it's not real stuff. If the proportion of productive to
unproductive people decreases, the productive people are going to have
to give up more to support the unproductive ones. There is simply no way
around this. If you think you've found one, all you've succeeded in
doing is hiding the cost somewhere non-obvious.
--
"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today.... He married
a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas
girl, just like me."
-- George W. Bush in Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004
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| User: "Jason McNorton" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 10:00:16 PM |
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In article <znu-55E0A5.21545803102004@individual.net>,
says...
In article <MPG.1bca2f696e489706989716@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <jNudnUn8gNBt7_3cRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>,
says...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au
"Ray Fischer"
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come out
with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future
interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'.
Right-wing propaganda, and patent *****.
The three biggest budget items are military spending, interest
payments on the debt, and Social Security. Social Security pays
for itself.
Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine.
If you cut Social Security then you have to eliminate Social Security
taxes. That would increase the deficit and the debt.
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam. The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
Yes, the productive members of society pay to support those who are not
productive. In return, it's understood that they'll be supported when
they're no longer productive. Shifts in the proportions of productive
vs. unproductive population can cause trouble for such a system,
obviously, and some of that might be looming for social security. But
that's true of any alternative you can think of. Think about this.
Ignore money; it's not real stuff. If the proportion of productive to
unproductive people decreases, the productive people are going to have
to give up more to support the unproductive ones. There is simply no way
around this. If you think you've found one, all you've succeeded in
doing is hiding the cost somewhere non-obvious.
Communism doesn't work. Redistribution of wealth and socialism don't
last long either.
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| User: "ZnU" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 11:26:25 PM |
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In article <MPG.1bca78b789e39f6998971b@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <znu-55E0A5.21545803102004@individual.net>,
says...
In article <MPG.1bca2f696e489706989716@news-40.giganews.com>,
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <jNudnUn8gNBt7_3cRVn-hQ@bresnan.com>,
says...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au
"Ray Fischer"
Your share of the national debt is $25,000
And rising. Funny, not one of the presidential candidates have come
out
with
a robust policy to outline how they're going to get the budget back
into
surplus and using those surplus's to repay debt as to reduce future
interest
payments so that as a proportion of GDP that debt can be bought down
to
something respectable, around 25% of GDP.
Hard to do. The vast amount of debt goes to social programs, and
'entitlements'.
Right-wing propaganda, and patent *****.
The three biggest budget items are military spending, interest
payments on the debt, and Social Security. Social Security pays
for itself.
Lets cut SS and other spending programs that make up
the debt and we'll be fine.
If you cut Social Security then you have to eliminate Social Security
taxes. That would increase the deficit and the debt.
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam. The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
Yes, the productive members of society pay to support those who are not
productive. In return, it's understood that they'll be supported when
they're no longer productive. Shifts in the proportions of productive
vs. unproductive population can cause trouble for such a system,
obviously, and some of that might be looming for social security. But
that's true of any alternative you can think of. Think about this.
Ignore money; it's not real stuff. If the proportion of productive to
unproductive people decreases, the productive people are going to have
to give up more to support the unproductive ones. There is simply no way
around this. If you think you've found one, all you've succeeded in
doing is hiding the cost somewhere non-obvious.
Communism doesn't work. Redistribution of wealth and socialism don't
last long either.
I notice you haven't got much of an argument.
--
"I want to thank my friend, Sen. Bill Frist, for joining us today.... He married
a Texas girl, I want you to know. (Laughter.) Karyn is with us. A West Texas
girl, just like me."
-- George W. Bush in Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 11:20:38 PM |
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Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
mist@cumulus.com
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
It needs balancing.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam.
Another dittohead parroting the same assinine lies that he's been fed.
Social Security is retirement insurance.
The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
That's true of all insurance.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Jason McNorton" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 11:34:30 PM |
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In article <cjqj2m$ife$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
mist@cumulus.com
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
It needs balancing.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam.
Another dittohead parroting the same assinine lies that he's been fed.
Social Security is retirement insurance.
The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
That's true of all insurance.
Sorry, but when the retirement age was set at 65, that was about the
average lifespan. It has to be raised to at least 75 to stay solvent,
and to reduce the enormous costs to the working people.
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| User: "Snit" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
03 Oct 2004 11:45:08 PM |
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"Jason McNorton" <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in post
MPG.1bca8ed0e6acb32d98971d@news-40.giganews.com on 10/3/04 9:34 PM:
In article <cjqj2m$ife$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
says...
Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
mist@cumulus.com
Unfortunately, Allan Greenspan wants to cut the Social Security
entitlements. At least he recommended it.
It needs balancing.
If they do cut it, I don't see how grandma is going to get by.
It'll have to be cut. It's a giant ponzi scam.
Another dittohead parroting the same assinine lies that he's been fed.
Social Security is retirement insurance.
The people working now
are paying for the ones collecting.
That's true of all insurance.
Sorry, but when the retirement age was set at 65, that was about the
average lifespan. It has to be raised to at least 75 to stay solvent,
and to reduce the enormous costs to the working people.
While the average has changed, the upper limits have not changed much... nor
has the life expectancy of a 65 year old... though it has some...
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "Mel" |
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04 Oct 2004 07:03:49 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:45:08 -0700, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote
in message <BD862364.82A6%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>:
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
the equivalence relation is bivalent. transitivity is part of that.
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
Cape Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "GP of ATJ" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry gave his foes too much fodder |
04 Oct 2004 07:32:55 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:pba2m0dd741ubiv5apqj148ehm7l13vmkl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:45:08 -0700, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote
in message <BD862364.82A6%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>:
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
the equivalence relation is bivalent. transitivity is part of that.
and you still don't know what that means fag boy.
A Sunday School teacher of preschoolers was concerned that his students
might be a little confused about Jesus Christ because of the Christmas
season emphasis on His birth. He wanted to make sure they understood that
the birth of Jesus occurred a long time ago, that He grew up, etc. So he
asked his class, "Where is Jesus today?"
Steven raised his hand and said, "He's in heaven."
Mary was called on and answered, "He's in my heart."
Little Johnny, waving his hand furiously, blurted out, "I know! I know! He's
in our bathroom!!!"
The whole class got very quiet, looked at the teacher, and waited for a
response. The teacher was completely at a loss for a few very long seconds.
He finally gathered his wits and asked Little Johnny how he knew this.
And Little Johnny said, "Well...every morning, my father gets up, bangs on
the bathroom door, and yells 'Jesus Christ, are you still in there?'!"
--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
Fag Town news
http://adderleystreet.co.za/capetown/
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| User: "Snit" |
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04 Oct 2004 10:10:46 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in post
pba2m0dd741ubiv5apqj148ehm7l13vmkl@4ax.com on 10/4/04 5:03 AM:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:45:08 -0700, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote
in message <BD862364.82A6%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>:
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
the equivalence relation is bivalent. transitivity is part of that.
Of course, though not all would agree:
http://smallurl.com/?i=15286
Where is the mathematical representation of your burden
of proof?
--
If A=B and B=C, then A=C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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