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"papa jack" |
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13 Aug 2004 06:12:04 PM |
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Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia |
John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia. Go to:
http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Christmas
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On October 14, 1979, John Kerry described a remarkable event, from
his days as a Swift boat officer, for the Boston Herald:
"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the
Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who
were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being
killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon [sic]
claimed there were no American troops was very real."
-- President Nixon, of course, did not assume office until January of
1969.
On March 27, 1986, during a speech opposing President Reagan's policy
in Central America, Senator John Kerry had this to say:
"Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in
Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese
and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United
States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops
were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -— seared -—
in me, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's
way we have a responsibility in the U.S. Senate to go the last step,
to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of con-
flict." [see Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page
3594]
And again, in a 1992 article by the Associated Press:
"But for Kerry, who spent six violent months [sic] commanding a patrol
boat on the Mekong River, there's always been a ring of truth to alle-
gations of abandoned Americans. By Christmas 1968, part of Kerry's
patrol extended across the border of South Vietnam into Cambodia.
"We were told, `Just go up there and do your patrol. Everybody was
over
there (in Cambodia). Nobody thought twice about it," Kerry said. One
of
the missions, which Kerry, at the time, was ordered not to discuss,
involved taking CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy
enclaves.
"I can remember wondering,`If you're going to go, what happens to
you,"'
Kerry said.
As recently as May of 2000, U.S. News and World Report stated that,
"Sen. John Kerry made his first forays into Cambodia during the
Vietnam War as a Navy lieutenant on clandestine missions to deliver
weapons to anticommunist forces."
Interestingly, Kerry's Cambodian sojourn, though "seared" into his
memory by 1986, somehow failed to rate a mention in Kerry's own
contemporary journal.
In "Unfit for Command," authors John O'Neill and Dr. Jerome Corsi
document the impossibility of Kerry's story:
Despite the dramatic memories of his Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry's
statements are complete lies. Kerry was never in Cambodia during
Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. In reality, during
Christmas 1968, he was more than fifty miles away from Cambodia.
Kerry was never ordered into Cambodia by anyone and would have been
court-martialed had he gone there.
During Christmas 1968, Kerry was stationed at Coastal Division 13 in
Cat Lo. Coastal Division 13's patrol areas extended to Sa Dec, about
fifty-five miles from the Cambodian border. Areas closer than fifty-
five miles to the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River
were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift
Boats. Preventing border crossings was considered so important at the
time that an LCU (a large, mechanized landing craft) and several PBRs
were stationed to ensure that no one could cross the border.
A large sign at the border prohibited entry. Tom Anderson, Commander
of River Division 531, who was in charge of the PBRs, confirmed that
there were no Swifts anywhere in the area and that they would have
been stopped had they appeared.
All the living commanders in Kerry's chain of command—Joe Streuhli
(Commander of CosDiv 13), George Elliott (Commander of CosDiv 11),
Adrian Lonsdale (Captain, USCG and Commander, Coastal Surveillance
Center at An Thoi), Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (Commander, Coastal
Surveillance Force Vietnam, CTF 115), and Rear Admiral Art Price
(Commander of River Patrol Force, CTF 116)—deny that Kerry was ever
ordered to Cambodia. They indicate that Kerry would have been seri-
ously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone there. At least
three of the five crewmen on Kerry's PCF 44 boat—Bill Zaldonis,
Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner—deny that they or their boat were
ever in Cambodia. The remaining two crewmen declined to be inter-
viewed for this book. Gardner, in particular, will never forget
those days in late December when he was wounded on PCF 44, not in
Cambodia, but many miles away in Vietnam.
As part of the supporting documentation given to station managers
for our television ad, "Any Questions?" we provided this regarding
John Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia":
The story is a total preposterous fabrication by Kerry. Exhibit 8
is an affidavit by the Commander of the Swift boats in Vietnam,
Admiral Roy Hoffmann, stating that Kerry's claim to be in Cambodia
for Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 is a total lie. If necessary,
similar affidavits are available from the entire chain of command.
In reality, Kerry was at Sa Dec -- easily locatable on any map more
than fifty miles from Cambodia. Kerry himself inadvertently admits
that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in
Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in
the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213-219. Sa Dec
is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being
ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec
with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219.
At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many
miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There
were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry
tried to get through, he would have been arrested. Obviously, Kerry
has hardly been honest about his service in Vietnam.
John Kerry was never shot at by Khmer Rouge and Cambodians. He never
took CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy enclaves. In
fact, John Kerry's boat never came within 50 miles of Cambodia at any
time.
Last Updated Friday, August 13 2004
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Papa Jack comments:
More and more facts pile up clearly proving what a shameless
blowhard Kerry really is.
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia |
13 Aug 2004 10:11:34 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote:
John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia. Go to:
http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Christmas
John Kerry was never shot at by Khmer Rouge and Cambodians. He never
took CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy enclaves. In
fact, John Kerry's boat never came within 50 miles of Cambodia at any
time.
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Papa Jack comments:
More and more facts pile up clearly proving what a shameless
blowhard Kerry really is.
So many lies, so little time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/13/wus13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/13/ixworld.html
From Brinkley:
He said: "Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in
January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run
dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys." The missions
were not armed attacks on Cambodia, said Mr Brinkley, who did not
include the clandestine missions in his wartime biography of Mr Kerry,
Tour of Duty.
"He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell.
Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of
his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA
guys he was dropping off."
----
From Kerry's FITREP's
"Involved in several enemy initiated fire fights, including an ambush
during the Christmas truce, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and
is unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action. Though
relatively new to the PCF he is thoroughly knowledgeable of all
aspects of his boat and PCF operations. He was instrumental in
planning of highly successful Sea Lords Operations."
According to his FITREP, Kerry took part in the Sealords campaign, and
was in a Christmas eve firefight. Yet Papa Jack and the swift boat
liars are saying he was dreaming of sugarplums that night. I wonder
why they're openly lying about something listed on Kerry's fitrep.
Now, what happened in the Sealords campaign? Let's check a historical
site about it.
http://www.pcf45.com/sealords/sealords.htm
"Perhaps the culmination of the SEALORDS campaign was inclusion of US
and Vietnamese naval forces in the incursion into Cambodia to finally
take the interdiction efforts of the allies directly to the source of
the movement of arms, material and troops into the southern areas of
Vietnam."
In other words, people went into Cambodia. Yet the swift boat liars
are claiming that people never went into Cambodia. So Papa Jack and
the swift boat liars have been caught being lying liars yet another
time. I wonder what historical revisionism they'll dream up next? I
mean, it's pretty common knowledge now that the US operated in
Cambodia. Do these guys think no one reads history?
Wait, there's more!
The swift boat liars say a single boat blocked the channel, so Kerry
couldn't have slipped through. Right. The Mekong is 5 miles wide at
the border, a maze of channels, marshes and islands. The Mekong out of
Cambodia was a major weapons smuggling route for the VC; that was the
justification for Sealords. Claiming a PBR couldn't get through is a
lie so stupid you have to wonder about the idiots who said it. Did
they really think no one knew better?
<Sarcasm on>
Kerry was off by a week as to when he was in Cambodia. If you can't
trust Kerry on the exact date he crossed into Cambodia on a
clandestine mission 30 years ago, how can we trust him about anything?
Especially when we compare this to the full and accurate report that
Bush has given about his military service at the time.
Greg Bernath
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia |
15 Aug 2004 03:59:27 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2004 16:12:04 -0700,
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia.
<PJ's silly and desperate attempt to
besmirch our next President, flushed>
Obviously, neither PJ, nor the writer of the cited piece,
know diddly about COVERT operations. Which are, of course,
secret, at the time. And generally are therefore WELL-covered
up by documentation showing that the operatives were elsewhere
at the time.
Clearly, when the operation later was declassified, and Kerry
was able to refer to it, people wouldn't be running around trying
to CORRECT the cover stories that had existed at the time. That
would be a pointless waste of time, effort, and money -- since the
events (both the actual covert ones, and the cover stories and
"documentations") no longer would have any real importance
nor significance. Thus, it's no surprise that the apparently-
"conflicting" cover documentation still exists.
[[[ READERS: We can expect to see such dishonest
attempts to denigrate Kerry, such as PJ just made, to
come at us at an accelerating pace between now and
Nov. 2nd. When they do, sensible people will (1) take
them with a grain of salt the size of Jupiter, and (2)
blow the whistle on the disinformation, publicly. ]]]
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Sneechres" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia |
15 Aug 2004 11:13:17 PM |
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(GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message news:<412222b9.9724012@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 16:12:04 -0700,
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia.
<PJ's silly and desperate attempt to
besmirch our next President, flushed>
Obviously, neither PJ, nor the writer of the cited piece,
know diddly about COVERT operations. Which are, of course,
secret, at the time. And generally are therefore WELL-covered
up by documentation showing that the operatives were elsewhere
at the time.
Clearly, when the operation later was declassified, and Kerry
was able to refer to it,
What documentation, exactly, is he referring to? Why is the military
denying these supposed operations?
....
"It was physically, totally, categorically, across-the-board
impossible to get into the canal that went to Cambodia with a swift
boat," says Gardner. "There were concrete pilings that were put in the
water...plus, the Navy kept patrol boats there to make sure nobody
went in. When I was on the 44 boat, it was a physical impossibility to
take a swift boat into Cambodian waters."
....
Of course, the U.S. military did undertake missions in Cambodia —
missions that resulted in enormous controversy at the time and in
later years. But it does not appear that Kerry was part of those.
Gardner, who is a member of the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, says that PCF-44's "nothernmost patrol area" was the town
of Sa Dec, about 50 miles from Cambodia. And retired admiral Roy
Hoffman, a leader of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said "You've
got to be kidding," when asked by National Review Online about Kerry's
account of entering Cambodia. Kerry's other commanding officers have
denied any Cambodian incursion, as well. Hoffman said that after an
earlier incident in which some soldiers had unintentionally crossed
the Cambodian border, the line was very clearly marked with signs
warning not to cross.
....
That explanation, however, might be difficult for Kerry to attempt,
because of the detailed descriptions he has offered about what he says
was his time in Cambodia. He was there with at least one operative of
the CIA on a "special mission," Kerry has said — a mission that the
U.S. government was officially denying.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200408101318.asp
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| User: "Admin" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia |
25 Aug 2004 12:46:08 AM |
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In article <412d11ff.75507672@netnews.mchsi.com>
xanadu222@mchsi.com (GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote:
On 15 Aug 2004 21:13:17 -0700, (Sneechres) wrote:
xanadu222@mchsi.com (GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message news:<412222b9.9724012@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 16:12:04 -0700,
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia.
<PJ's silly and desperate attempt to
besmirch our next President, flushed>
Obviously, neither PJ, nor the writer of the cited piece,
know diddly about COVERT operations. Which are, of course,
secret, at the time. And generally are therefore WELL-covered
up by documentation showing that the operatives were elsewhere
at the time.
Clearly, when the operation later was declassified, and Kerry
was able to refer to it, ### people wouldn't be running around trying
to CORRECT the cover stories that had existed at the time. That
would be a pointless waste of time, effort, and money -- since the
events (both the actual covert ones, and the cover stories and
"documentations") no longer would have any real importance
nor significance. Thus, it's no surprise that the apparently-
"conflicting" cover documentation still exists.
[[[ READERS: We can expect to see such dishonest
attempts to denigrate Kerry, such as PJ just made, to
come at us at an accelerating pace between now and
Nov. 2nd. When they do, sensible people will (1) take
them with a grain of salt the size of Jupiter, and (2)
blow the whistle on the disinformation, publicly. ]]] ###
What documentation, exactly, is he referring to? Why is the military
denying these supposed operations?
...
"It was physically, totally, categorically, across-the-board
impossible to get into the canal that went to Cambodia with a swift
boat," says Gardner. "There were concrete pilings that were put in the
water...plus, the Navy kept patrol boats there to make sure nobody
went in. When I was on the 44 boat, it was a physical impossibility to
take a swift boat into Cambodian waters."
...
Of course, the U.S. military did undertake missions in Cambodia —
missions that resulted in enormous controversy at the time and in
later years. But it does not appear that Kerry was part of those.
Gardner, who is a member of the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth, says that PCF-44's "nothernmost patrol area" was the town
of Sa Dec, about 50 miles from Cambodia. And retired admiral Roy
Hoffman, a leader of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said "You've
got to be kidding," when asked by National Review Online about Kerry's
account of entering Cambodia. Kerry's other commanding officers have
denied any Cambodian incursion, as well. Hoffman said that after an
earlier incident in which some soldiers had unintentionally crossed
the Cambodian border, the line was very clearly marked with signs
warning not to cross.
...
That explanation, however, might be difficult for Kerry to attempt,
because of the detailed descriptions he has offered about what he says
was his time in Cambodia. He was there with at least one operative of
the CIA on a "special mission," Kerry has said — a mission that the
U.S. government was officially denying.
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200408101318.asp
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
Zzzz.
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| User: "awthrawthr" |
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| Title: Re: Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia |
15 Aug 2004 03:17:25 PM |
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ROFL!! Kerry 'declassified' the 'secret mission' in a statement
recorded on the Congressional Record back in 1986!!
But three of his crewmates say Kerry NEVER went to Cambodia (NOT
CHRISTMAS, NOT EVER.) Kerry is now backpedaling since he doesn't
remember exactly when Christmas is.
The crewmates have given solid evidence why such a trip was
impossible. (Too shallow, cement pile-ons, Cambodian and US boats)
So Kerry is left talking to his hat in front of a Washington Post
Reporter just last year!!!! He ought to name the hat Harvey!
PS. Think about this: if you were a CIA agent and you were about to go
on a clandestine trip to Cambodia would you GIVE AWAY your
CAMOUFLAGE????? If you got caught, you'd be tortured and hung by a
wire.
Also would you take a loud, military boat that would announce your
presence to the VC and North Viet Namese soldiers???????? "Here I
come, VC!! Come shoot me now!!!"
If the cap fits, the man is sick!
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xanadu222@mchsi.com (GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message news:<412222b9.9724012@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 13 Aug 2004 16:12:04 -0700,
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia.
<PJ's silly and desperate attempt to
besmirch our next President, flushed>
Obviously, neither PJ, nor the writer of the cited piece,
know diddly about COVERT operations. Which are, of course,
secret, at the time. And generally are therefore WELL-covered
up by documentation showing that the operatives were elsewhere
at the time.
Clearly, when the operation later was declassified, and Kerry
was able to refer to it, people wouldn't be running around trying
to CORRECT the cover stories that had existed at the time. That
would be a pointless waste of time, effort, and money -- since the
events (both the actual covert ones, and the cover stories and
"documentations") no longer would have any real importance
nor significance. Thus, it's no surprise that the apparently-
"conflicting" cover documentation still exists.
[[[ READERS: We can expect to see such dishonest
attempts to denigrate Kerry, such as PJ just made, to
come at us at an accelerating pace between now and
Nov. 2nd. When they do, sensible people will (1) take
them with a grain of salt the size of Jupiter, and (2)
blow the whistle on the disinformation, publicly. ]]]
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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