Ray is not questioning the day on which these reports aired, he's
noting that the assertion that Kerry's wound was "negligently
self-inflicted" is false. A lie. You *do*, in fact, correctly receive
a Purple Heart for any wound suffered in an actual gunfight/battle.

Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote
in message news:<14f6j01e9ban7p4l2rne378th9id9hc1eb@4ax.com>...

papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:

Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote

"Herb Martin" <news@LearnQuick.com> wrote:

Herb Martin wrote:
Actually EVERYONE agrees Kerry received three bandaid wounds.
Two of them were self-inflicted and even Kerry agrees (in
his journal etc) with this.
Just today, his campaign admitted it on the 1st Purple Heart.
You do NOT get a Purple Heart for negligently self-inflicted
wounds when not under enemy fire.

Adam H. wrote:
He was under enemy fire (confirmed) and even a self inflicted
wound can count. Of course, direct eyewitness testimony con-
firms that Kerry's 1st PH was not self inflicted.

Papa Jack laughed:
Adam, this is one of the primary reasons why Pro-Aborts
like you are so quick to delete the initial excerpts
I post. The primary point of the initial posting was
to document that Kerry's own December 11th journal entry
clearly stated "we hadn't been shot at yet" AFTER the
December 2nd incident in which he claimed the first
Purple Heart.
I've repeated the part deleted for your convenience.

Adam H. sputtered:
Ah. So suddenly, after everyone's been claiming that
Kerry's testimony is not to be considered when it
supports his claims,...

Papa Jack smiled:
WHAT TESTIMONY? Kerry's been running away like a
scalded cat -- using only ad hominem insults pointed
at those who tell us the discrepancies in the records.
Now his campaign spokeswoman is throwing rocks at
the First Lady for defending her husband. In a recent
Time interview, Laura Bush is asked, "Do you think
these swift boat ads are unfair to John Kerry?"
"Not really," she replies. "There have been
millions of terrible ads against my husband."

Kerry campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said in
a statement:
"Mrs. Bush's statement in support of the swift
boat smear ads is more sad evidence that these
attacks have been coordinated from the top down
at the White House," .

Adam H.
...ONE thing that contradicts them is trustworthy and
outweighs the eyewitness testimony of others on the boat?

Papa Jack replied:
Yep, because that's the only sort of direct evidence
we've received from the Kerry side.
The fact is, Kerry WROTE he hadn't been under enemy
fire several days AFTER he begged for a Purple Heart
for a minor self-inflicted scratch.

Adam H.
Make up your mind, PJ....

Papa Jack nodded:
I made up my mind a long time ago -- Kerry is a
traitor and a sleazy politician. We certainly
don't need a president with those characteristics.

Adam H. wrote:
...Also, you have yet to address those points
that you deleted without marking in my other post,
so I suggest you get to them or quit bitching
about deletions in my posts.
[snip]

Papa Jack commented:
I see why you like Kerry so much -- you have the
same sleazy character.

Adam H. wrote:
PJ, since your second-to-last response to me was to
delete 90% of the message without marking it, shortly
after accusing me of that behaviour, you're not honest
enough to insult me.

Consider yourself led to where your own dishonesty
took you. Think you'll ever get around to holding
yourself to your own demands?

Papa Jack wrote:
BTW, here's that part you are so frantic to delete
and run away from, Adam.

On August 17, 2004, WorldNetDaily.com posted an article by
Art Moore titled: "Kerry's War Journal Contradicts Medal
Claim? At Least 9 Days After Purple Heart, Wrote He Had
Not 'Been Shot at Yet'

Excerpts:
"A previously unnoticed passage in John Kerry's approved
war biography, citing his own journals, appears to con-
tradict the senator's claim he won his first Purple Heart
as a result of an injury sustained under enemy fire.
"Kerry, who served as commander of a Navy swift boat, has
insisted he was wounded by enemy fire Dec. 2, 1968, when
he and two other men took a smaller vessel, a Boston
Whaler, on a patrol north of his base at Cam Ranh Bay.
But Douglas Brinkley's 'Tour of Duty,' for which Kerry
supplied his journals and letters, indicates that as
Kerry set out on a subsequent mission, he had not yet
been under enemy fire.
"While the date of the four-day excursion on PCF-44 [Patrol
Craft Fast] is not specified, Brinkley notes it commenced
when Kerry 'had just turned 25, on Dec. 11, 1968,' which
was nine days AFTER the incident in which he claimed he
had been wounded by enemy fire.
"Brinkley recounts the outset of that mid-December journey,
which included a crew of radarman James Wasser, engineman
William Zaladonis, gunner's mate Stephen Gardner and boat-
swain's mates Drew Whitlow and Stephen Hatch:
'They pulled away from the pier at Cat Lo with
spirits high, feeling satisfied with the way
things were going for them. They had no lust
for battle, but they also were not afraid.
Kerry wrote in his notebook,
'A cocky feeling of invincibility accom-
panied us up the Long Tau shipping channel
because we hadn't been shot at yet, and
Americans at war who haven't been shot at
are allowed to be cocky.'

"In the swift-boat group's newly published book,'Unfit
for Command,' authors John O'Neill, who took over
command of Kerry's boat, and Jerome Corsi assert the
wound for which Kerry received his medal actually was
caused by him firing an M-79 grenade launcher too close,
'causing a tiny piece of shrapnel (one to two centimeters)
to barely stick in his arm.'

Adam H. wrote:
...Also, you have yet to address those points
that you deleted without marking in my other post,
so I suggest you get to them or quit bitching
about deletions in my posts.

[snip]

Papa Jack commented:
I see why you like Kerry so much -- you have the
same sleazy character.

Adam H. wrote:
PJ, since your second-to-last response to me was to delete 90% of the
message without marking it, shortly after accusing me of that
behaviour, you're not honest enough to insult me.

Consider yourself led to where your own dishonesty took you. Think
you'll ever get around to holding yourself to your own demands?