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"papa jack" |
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17 Aug 2004 04:55:26 PM |
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Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism |
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
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Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
"'Now, you think it's a coincidence that on September
11th, 2001, we were struck by terrorists an evil that
has at its heart the disregard of innocent human life?'
Keyes said in a May 7 speech in Provo, Utah. 'We who
have for several decades killed not thousands but
scores of millions of our own children, in disregard
of the principle of innocent human life -- I don't
think that's a coincidence, I think that's a warning.'
[...]
"'What distinguishes the terrorist from the ordinary
warrior, is that the terrorist will consciously target
innocent human life. What is done in the course of an
abortion? . . . Someone consciously targets innocent
human life.
"'As I often point out to folks, the evil is the same.
And that means, quite frankly, in fighting the war
against terror, as I have often put it to audiences,
the evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil
that we do.'
[...]
"'What is done in the course of an abortion is as a
result of some decision made on the basis of somebody
else's sense of their interests, convenience, emotional
situation, whatever it may be,' Keyes told the Chicago
Sun-Times. 'Someone consciously targets innocent human
life. As I often point out to folks, the evil is the
same.'
[...]
"Opposing abortion is Keyes' chief issue. He has said
protecting the unborn was one of the main reasons he
accepted Illinois Republicans' offer to replace GOP
nominee Jack Ryan in the U.S. Senate race."
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
I don't know whether or not I totally agree with Keyes
direct comparison of the 9/11 terrorists and abortionists,
but he does have a way with words to make his point.
It is true that both abortionists and terrorists operate
with a complete disregard for the innocent human lives
they are killing.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism |
18 Aug 2004 09:35:09 AM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com...
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
<Keyes' moronic analogies snipped. Link remains.>
Papa Jack comments:
I don't know whether or not I totally agree with Keyes
direct comparison of the 9/11 terrorists and abortionists,
but he does have a way with words to make his point.
Oh, he has "a way with words", alright. How about these?:
"And I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by
Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live
in and pretend to represent people there. So I certainly wouldn't
imitate it."
Or this, from your cite:
"Keyes on Monday said he supported reparations for descendants of slaves --
an apparent switch in his position."
Can we look forward to some future PJ posts noting other Keyes' flip-flops?
I suspect not. Like your POV's[tm], lots of heat but very little light:
http://www.realchange.org/keyes.htm#owes
<excerpts>
"Keyes has always been a professional talker - first as an academic, then a
diplomat, and now as a candidate and talk show host.
Even as a diplomat, his biggest jobs were opposing sanctions on South Africa
as one of many Assistant Secretaries of State under Reagan - some feel his
career was based on being Reagan's token black willing to defend the
apartheid regime - and as Ambassador to the United Nations Economic and
Social Council, a post requiring no actual diplomacy, just lots of speeches.
It seems plenty hard for governors to adjust to running the federal
government, so the odds that Keyes could wing it are very low. Basically,
he's the Republican Jesse Jackson."
The "Republican Jesse Jackson"? Ouch!
It is true that both abortionists and terrorists operate
with a complete disregard for the innocent human lives
they are killing.
Uh huh. <wipes tear, rolls eyes>
Kind of like Keyes "complete disregard" for repaying his debt:
"Keyes was happy to take $100,000/year as salary from his 1992 Senate
campaign, but when it came time to pay that same campaign's debts, he said:
"I personally do not owe the debt that was owed by the campaign." That was
about $45,000, which was unpaid from 1992 through the end of 1996, according
to the FEC. Of course, if he hadn't paid himself so much money, he would
have had plenty to pay off that debt.
Keyes told a reporter that the money will be paid off -- by the campaign,
not by him of course -- but several creditors said Keyes hadn't communicated
with them years later. In 1995-1996, for example, his 1992 Senate campaign
received $34,821 and spent over $15,000, but he couldn't manage to pay off
any of that debt.
Finally, some time during 1997-1998, Keyes paid off most of this money. The
FEC reports show that he spent $49,544 during that time, and reimbursed
$41,094 worth of loans, but somehow he managed to end up still owing more
than $34,000 for his 1992 Senate race at the end of the reporting period.
Presumably he took on new loans to pay the old ones (though the FEC data
doesn't give enough detail to be sure.)
Incidentally, Keyes still owes over $200,000 on his 1996 presidential
campaign as well. At the end of 1996, he owed $350,000; since then, he has
raised over $1,000,000 for a campaign that is over, but spent even more
($1,099,972) and only reduced his debt by $150,000.
In 1995, his campaign wrote over $20,000 in bad checks, which his spokesman
blamed on a former campaign aide."
<end excerpts>
Keyes selection is an obvious desperation move by the Illinois GOP. A
laughable one, at that.
After getting bushwacked by original candidate Jack Ryan's sexual
peccadillos, turned down by two former Repub govenors and even "Da Coach"
Mike Ditka(!), the geniuses at party HQ decided to throw a little red meat
to the crazies on the fringe.
Come November, Keyes will maintain his fine tradition of landslide losses.
Are there *any* anti-abortion wingnuts you won't cozy up to, PJ?
LC~ Doesn't look that way.
"I personally do not owe the debt that was owed by the campaign."~ Alan
Keyes
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17 Aug 2004 07:11:57 PM |
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(papa jack) writes:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely bonkers?
The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
[...]
--
Matt Pillsbury "Would you mind having a little
pillsy[at]mac[dot]com consideration for others?"
--golddodgearies
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| User: "papa jack" |
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18 Aug 2004 11:15:44 AM |
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Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m2y8kd2tki.fsf@seesig.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) writes:
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
=========================================================================
Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely
bonkers?
The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
[...]
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Papa Jack laughed:
But, Matt, you and your Pro-Abort buddies say that about
any expert or prominent person who disagrees with you.
Who is Alan Keyes?
He has a Ph.D. in government from Harvard. He worked for
the State Department for 11 years -- in the U.S. Foreign
Service and on the staff of the National Security Council.
In 1983 Keyes become Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the
United Nations Economic and Social Council. In 1985, he
was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for Interna-
tional Organizations.
In the 90's, Keyes hosted his own syndicated radio show,
"America's Wake-Up Call." In 2002, he hosted a MSNBC
television show, "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."
Keyes is the author of _Masters of the Dream: The Strength
and Betrayal of Black America_ (1995); and _Our Character,
Our Future: Reclaiming America's Moral Destiny_ (1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Maybe this country needs a few more folks who are
"completely bonkers" like Mr. Keyes.
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| User: "Matt Pillsbury" |
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18 Aug 2004 11:49:46 PM |
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(papa jack) writes:
Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m2y8kd2tki.fsf@seesig.com>...
(papa jack) writes:
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said Monday that
women who choose to undergo abortions and the physicians who
perform the procedure are essentially terrorists because 'the
evil is the same.'
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely bonkers?
The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
But, Matt, you and your Pro-Abort buddies say that about any expert
or prominent person who disagrees with you.
Not really, no. A quick google search suggests that Keyes is the only
person, prominent or otherwise, that I've called "completely bonkers"
around here.
Who is Alan Keyes?
[...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Hey, this is an interesting webpage. Funny you didn't read it more
closely, or you might have noticed that he was a pro-apartheid shill
for the Reagan administration. That hasn't stopped him from compar-
ing Barak Obama to a "slaveholder", though.
Bonkers. Bonkers. Bonkers.
[...]
--
Matt Pillsbury "Would you mind having a little
pillsy[at]mac[dot]com consideration for others?"
--golddodgearies
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| User: "papa jack" |
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22 Aug 2004 08:19:22 PM |
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Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m27jrvlok5.fsf@seesig.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) writes:
Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) writes:
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said Monday that
women who choose to undergo abortions and the physicians who
perform the procedure are essentially terrorists because 'the
evil is the same.'
=========================================================================
Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely
bonkers? The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of
the barrel.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
But, Matt, you and your Pro-Abort buddies say that about
any expert or prominent person who disagrees with you.
=========================================================================
Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Not really, no. A quick google search suggests that Keyes
is the only person, prominent or otherwise, that I've called
"completely bonkers" around here.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Okay, the Google search results were:
Results 1 - 59 of about 75 for bonkers OR loony
OR crazy OR deranged group:talk.abortion
author:Matt author:Pillsbury.
75 times, Matt.
QUESTION: Matt, do you think there are ANY
conservative Blacks who aren't "bonkers?"
Or, do you only consider those conservative
Afro-Americans with Ph.D.s from Harvard to be
"bonkers?"
Careful now -- some reader might not understand
and get the impression you're a racist, Matt.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Who is Alan Keyes?
[...]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
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Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Hey, this is an interesting webpage.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
If it was so interesting, why did you QUICKLY DELETE
the part I quoted? I've repeated it here so the
readers can make up their own minds as to why you
might not have wanted them to see it:
............................................................
Who is Alan Keyes?
He has a Ph.D. in government from Harvard. He worked for
the State Department for 11 years -- in the U.S. Foreign
Service and on the staff of the National Security Council.
In 1983 Keyes become Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the
United Nations Economic and Social Council. In 1985, he
was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for Interna-
tional Organizations.
In the 90's, Keyes hosted his own syndicated radio show,
"America's Wake-Up Call." In 2002, he hosted a MSNBC
television show, "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."
Keyes is the author of _Masters of the Dream: The Strength
and Betrayal of Black America_ (1995); and _Our Character,
Our Future: Reclaiming America's Moral Destiny_ (1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
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Matt Pillsbury wrote:
...Funny you didn't read it more closely, or you
might have noticed that he was a pro-apartheid shill
for the Reagan administration.
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Papa Jack remarked:
In 1996, Keyes stated:
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Alan_Keyes_Foreign_Policy.htm
"South Africa: Venture capital instead of foreign aid
Foreign aid is everybody's favorite whipping boy, which
makes you wonder how it has managed to survive for so
long. One reason may be that we all have our exceptions
to the general anti-foreign aid bias. I confess that
South Africa would be high on my list of favorite excep-
tions. But then I realize what a disservice we will do
to South Africa's people, particularly her black people,
if we continue to think of them as victims.
"Standard foreign aid projects, funneling money government-
to-government through inefficient bureaucracies and polit-
ical networks, will end up consuming millions while wasting
South Africa's most valuable resource. South Africa needs
venture capital, the kind you get from corporations rather
than governments. The people who spent so much time and
effort getting investors to pull out of South Africa [on
anti-apartheid platforms] need to organize just as massively
for them to go back in.
[Source: Our Character, Our Future, p. 93-5 May 2, 1996]
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Matt Pillsbury wrote:
...That hasn't stopped him from comparing Barak Obama
to a "slaveholder", though.
Bonkers. Bonkers. Bonkers.
[...]
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Papa Jack commented:
What did he really say?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/12/104507.shtml
[...]
"So I think I understand a great deal about it.
First thing I understand, by the way, is that
slavery is not a racial issue; it's an issue of
human justice. Justice for all people based on
the notion that every human being has a worth
that comes not from human choice or constitutions,
but from the hand of almighty God.
"That was the principle that was used to overthrow
the slaveholders. And Obama violates that principle
when he withdraws respect from the life of unborn
human beings in the womb.
"So of course, the same deep issue of principle that
was involved in slavery is dividing the country today
over this heinous practice of abortion."
If you think that reasoning is "bonkers," Matt, you don't
have a solid understanding of the issues.
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| User: "Matt Pillsbury" |
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22 Aug 2004 10:28:00 PM |
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(papa jack) writes:
Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m27jrvlok5.fsf@seesig.com>...
[...]
Not really, no. A quick google search suggests that Keyes
is the only person, prominent or otherwise, that I've called
"completely bonkers" around here.
[...]
Okay, the Google search results were:
Results 1 - 59 of about 75 for bonkers OR loony
OR crazy OR deranged group:talk.abortion
author:Matt author:Pillsbury.
75 times, Matt.
QUESTION: Matt, do you think there are ANY conservative Blacks who
aren't "bonkers?"
Or, do you only consider those conservative Afro-Americans with
Ph.D.s from Harvard to be "bonkers?"
You start off by asserting that I routinely call people on this
newsgroup "bonkers".
Then you ask me if I only consider conservative African Americans with
PhD's from Harvard "bonkers".
Did you recently suffer a brain injury I should know about?
Careful now -- some reader might not understand and get the
impression you're a racist, Matt.
Or that same reader might understand perfectly, and get the impression
that you've got the attention span of a gnat.
[...]
Who is Alan Keyes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Hey, this is an interesting webpage.
If it was so interesting, why did you QUICKLY DELETE the part I
quoted?
Because I'd read it, you'd read it, and if anybody else wants to read
it, they can click on the URL like a normal human being.
[...]
...Funny you didn't read it more closely, or you
might have noticed that he was a pro-apartheid shill
for the Reagan administration.
[...]
In 1996, Keyes stated:
something completely irrelevant to his position on apartheid when he
worked for the Reagan administration.
...That hasn't stopped him from comparing Barak Obama
to a "slaveholder", though.
Bonkers. Bonkers. Bonkers.
What did he really say?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/12/104507.shtml
[...]
"That was the principle that was used to overthrow
the slaveholders. And Obama violates that principle
when he withdraws respect from the life of unborn
human beings in the womb.
Thanks for supporting my point.
[...]
If you think that reasoning is "bonkers," Matt,
it's because I'm saner than you. And Alan Keyes.
--
Matt Pillsbury0
pillsy[at]mac[dot]com
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| User: "BOB SD" |
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24 Aug 2004 03:43:07 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0408180815.3cce926d@posting.google.com:
Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m2y8kd2tki.fsf@seesig.com>...
(papa jack) writes:
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Papa Jack cited:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
_______________________________________________________________________
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Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
========================================================================
=
Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely
bonkers?
The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
[...]
========================================================================
=
Papa Jack laughed:
But, Matt, you and your Pro-Abort buddies say that about
any expert or prominent person who disagrees with you.
Who is Alan Keyes?
He has a Ph.D. in government from Harvard. He worked for
the State Department for 11 years -- in the U.S. Foreign
Service and on the staff of the National Security Council.
In 1983 Keyes become Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the
United Nations Economic and Social Council. In 1985, he
was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for Interna-
tional Organizations.
In the 90's, Keyes hosted his own syndicated radio show,
"America's Wake-Up Call." In 2002, he hosted a MSNBC
television show, "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."
Keyes is the author of _Masters of the Dream: The Strength
and Betrayal of Black America_ (1995); and _Our Character,
Our Future: Reclaiming America's Moral Destiny_ (1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Maybe this country needs a few more folks who are
"completely bonkers" like Mr. Keyes.
Keyes is just another extremist neocon wingnut and religious whacko anti-
abortion freak that we see more and more of in today's repug party. If
it weren't for the abortion issue and his fanatical anti-choice views
based mainly on religious grounds, Keyes would not have much to say that
means anything to the American people. Keyes, like most wingnuts, would
make a good Taliban soldier.
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24 Aug 2004 03:48:00 PM |
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On 24 Aug 2004 16:43:07 -0400, BOB <SD> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0408180815.3cce926d@posting.google.com:
Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m2y8kd2tki.fsf@seesig.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) writes:
========================================================================
=
Papa Jack cited:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
_______________________________________________________________________
___
Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
========================================================================
=
Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely
bonkers?
The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
[...]
========================================================================
=
Papa Jack laughed:
But, Matt, you and your Pro-Abort buddies say that about
any expert or prominent person who disagrees with you.
Who is Alan Keyes?
He has a Ph.D. in government from Harvard. He worked for
the State Department for 11 years -- in the U.S. Foreign
Service and on the staff of the National Security Council.
In 1983 Keyes become Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the
United Nations Economic and Social Council. In 1985, he
was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for Interna-
tional Organizations.
In the 90's, Keyes hosted his own syndicated radio show,
"America's Wake-Up Call." In 2002, he hosted a MSNBC
television show, "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."
Keyes is the author of _Masters of the Dream: The Strength
and Betrayal of Black America_ (1995); and _Our Character,
Our Future: Reclaiming America's Moral Destiny_ (1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Maybe this country needs a few more folks who are
"completely bonkers" like Mr. Keyes.
Keyes is just another extremist neocon wingnut and religious whacko anti-
abortion freak that we see more and more of in today's repug party. If
it weren't for the abortion issue and his fanatical anti-choice views
based mainly on religious grounds, Keyes would not have much to say that
means anything to the American people. Keyes, like most wingnuts, would
make a good Taliban soldier.
Nah. Taliban soldiers at least fight. Most neocon wingnuts find a way to
avoid service.
__
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help
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24 Aug 2004 04:30:14 PM |
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Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:n6ani059oaltu7bvk08nkotf3b800i1lrh@4ax.com:
On 24 Aug 2004 16:43:07 -0400, BOB <SD> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote in
news:bd9f1f6b.0408180815.3cce926d@posting.google.com:
Matt Pillsbury <mtp@seesig.com> wrote
in message news:<m2y8kd2tki.fsf@seesig.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) writes:
======================================================================
== =
Papa Jack cited:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by
Natasha Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to
Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
_____________________________________________________________________
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Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
======================================================================
== =
Matt Pillsbury wrote:
Were you previously unaware that Alan Keyes is completely
bonkers?
The Illinois GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
[...]
======================================================================
== =
Papa Jack laughed:
But, Matt, you and your Pro-Abort buddies say that about
any expert or prominent person who disagrees with you.
Who is Alan Keyes?
He has a Ph.D. in government from Harvard. He worked for
the State Department for 11 years -- in the U.S. Foreign
Service and on the staff of the National Security Council.
In 1983 Keyes become Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the
United Nations Economic and Social Council. In 1985, he
was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for Interna-
tional Organizations.
In the 90's, Keyes hosted his own syndicated radio show,
"America's Wake-Up Call." In 2002, he hosted a MSNBC
television show, "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."
Keyes is the author of _Masters of the Dream: The Strength
and Betrayal of Black America_ (1995); and _Our Character,
Our Future: Reclaiming America's Moral Destiny_ (1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
Maybe this country needs a few more folks who are
"completely bonkers" like Mr. Keyes.
Keyes is just another extremist neocon wingnut and religious whacko
anti- abortion freak that we see more and more of in today's repug
party. If it weren't for the abortion issue and his fanatical
anti-choice views based mainly on religious grounds, Keyes would not
have much to say that means anything to the American people. Keyes,
like most wingnuts, would make a good Taliban soldier.
Nah. Taliban soldiers at least fight. Most neocon wingnuts find a
way to avoid service.
True. The facts support your statement all the way up to the top dog-in-
chief.
__
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
ghekhuis@earthlink.net
Illiterate? Write for FREE help
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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24 Aug 2004 06:53:10 PM |
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On 24 Aug 2004 16:43:07 -0400, BOB <SD> wrote:
Keyes is just another extremist neocon wingnut and religious whacko anti-
abortion freak that we see more and more of in today's repug party. If
it weren't for the abortion issue and his fanatical anti-choice views
based mainly on religious grounds, Keyes would not have much to say that
means anything to the American people. Keyes, like most wingnuts, would
make a good Taliban soldier.
Nah. Taliban soldiers at least fight. Most neocon wingnuts find a way to
avoid service.
that's funny, and very, very true.
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20 Aug 2004 11:08:51 AM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com>...
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
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Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
Does that mean that any women who has had an abortion could be
declared an enemy combatant and shipped into a foreign military base
beyond all constitutional rights.
Osmo
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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17 Aug 2004 06:34:34 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote:
I don't know whether or not I totally agree with Keyes
direct comparison of the 9/11 terrorists and abortionists,
So you're _not sure_ if abortionists are just like the terrorists who
flew a jet into a building.
Let me just say ***** and Die, you worthlesss piece of fascist
*****.
For the record, say it to my face. I support legal abortion. So tell
me you're _not sure_ if I'm exactly like a 9/11 terrorist. At least
have the balls to stand behind your cowardly slurs.
but he does have a way with words to make his point.
It is true that both abortionists and terrorists operate
with a complete disregard for the innocent human lives
they are killing.
A lie, as 'abortionists' don't believe 'human lives' are being killed.
That's been explained to you many times, and you still lie about it.
Now, as you act with complete disregard for the human lives you
destroy, what's your excuse for being like a terrorist? By your
standards, that is. I, for the record, am quite sure that you are not
like a terrorist.
Greg Bernath
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| User: "N.O.Y.B." |
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17 Aug 2004 08:34:58 PM |
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Abortion being compared to terrorism? Wow, I've not heard that one before,
but here goes.
How on earth can it be likened to terrorism. We're not talking about people,
but rather vestigial bunches of cells that have no sentience or awareness.
How many people step on ants and other insects all throughout the day? Those
insects have much more consciousness than the vestigial bunch of cells that
the anti-choice radicals would have you believe. When does it ever sink in?
Are they really THAT stupid?
Maybe he's one of those insane lunatics who think people who use illicit
recreational drugs are terrorists! He doesn't like personal freedom and
personal choice. He'd rather we were all slaves!
Basically he doesn't agree with abortion...yeah so what? Does that make
abortion a form of terrorism? No, not any more than voluntary recreational
drug use or any other exercise of individual liberty!
Funny how hardcore control freaks will go to great lenghts to demonise
something that they don't necessarily agree with! Heck, this guy goes as far
as to say it's terrorism. This guy is probably a hopeless loser and more
than likely suffers a mental illness, so I'll give him the benefit of the
doubt.
noyb
"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com...
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
"'Now, you think it's a coincidence that on September
11th, 2001, we were struck by terrorists an evil that
has at its heart the disregard of innocent human life?'
Keyes said in a May 7 speech in Provo, Utah. 'We who
have for several decades killed not thousands but
scores of millions of our own children, in disregard
of the principle of innocent human life -- I don't
think that's a coincidence, I think that's a warning.'
[...]
"'What distinguishes the terrorist from the ordinary
warrior, is that the terrorist will consciously target
innocent human life. What is done in the course of an
abortion? . . . Someone consciously targets innocent
human life.
"'As I often point out to folks, the evil is the same.
And that means, quite frankly, in fighting the war
against terror, as I have often put it to audiences,
the evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil
that we do.'
[...]
"'What is done in the course of an abortion is as a
result of some decision made on the basis of somebody
else's sense of their interests, convenience, emotional
situation, whatever it may be,' Keyes told the Chicago
Sun-Times. 'Someone consciously targets innocent human
life. As I often point out to folks, the evil is the
same.'
[...]
"Opposing abortion is Keyes' chief issue. He has said
protecting the unborn was one of the main reasons he
accepted Illinois Republicans' offer to replace GOP
nominee Jack Ryan in the U.S. Senate race."
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
I don't know whether or not I totally agree with Keyes
direct comparison of the 9/11 terrorists and abortionists,
but he does have a way with words to make his point.
It is true that both abortionists and terrorists operate
with a complete disregard for the innocent human lives
they are killing.
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18 Aug 2004 07:10:29 AM |
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"N.O.Y.B." <mslava04@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2ofq2bF7lm1pU1@uni-berlin.de...
Abortion being compared to terrorism? Wow, I've not heard that one before,
but here goes.
How on earth can it be likened to terrorism. We're not talking about
people,
but rather vestigial bunches of cells that have no sentience or awareness.
Just like abortionists. no sentience, no awareness.
How many people step on ants and other insects all throughout the day?
Ants compared to humans?
Those
insects have much more consciousness than the vestigial bunch of cells
that
the anti-choice radicals would have you believe.
Is that why the cells grow?
When does it ever sink in?
Are they really THAT stupid?
Maybe he's one of those insane lunatics who think people who use illicit
recreational drugs are terrorists! He doesn't like personal freedom and
personal choice. He'd rather we were all slaves!
Basically he doesn't agree with abortion...yeah so what? Does that make
abortion a form of terrorism? No, not any more than voluntary recreational
drug use or any other exercise of individual liberty!
Funny how hardcore control freaks
Abortionists.
will go to great lenghts to demonise
something that they don't necessarily agree with!
Abortionists.
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| User: "N.O.Y.B." |
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18 Aug 2004 09:43:52 AM |
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Just like abortionists. no sentience, no awareness.
Really? Then why are there so many who are willing to put their lives on the
line (what with all the hateful anti-freedom thugs running around trying to
kill everybody they don't agree with) to protect a woman's right to choose
what happens to her body?
I think they've got a lot more than just sentience and awareness, they've
also got a lot of guts too. I for one would not want to work in an abortion
clinic with all the bombings, shootings, bashings, and all other assorted
violence. It's just too dangerous for my liking. Those doctors have guts,
let me assure you. If you work in a woman's health care centre that performs
abortions you will understand what I'm talking about. It's a very, very
dangerous business, of course only because of hateful anti-choice thugs who
cannot respect the rightful liberties of their fellow humans (in this case
pregnant women who don't wish to remain pregnant for their many and varied
personal reasons - all of which have NOTHING to do with you).
Ants compared to humans?
What makes the consciousness of an ant any different to a child? They're
BOTH sentient beings, both have been fully developed, the child was born,
the ant hatched from it's egg, they both come complete with instincts, and
habits, and mental processes. The only difference is size and the size of
their memories and advanced function systems. About 95% of human sentience
is due to a small area of the brain known as the reptilian brain, which is
about the size of a walnut. The rest of the brain occupies the other 5% of
sentience and other various functions. Approximately 97% of the mass of the
human brain contains language functions, vocal recognition functions, memory
function, memory storage, pictures, sounds, smells, and cues of all
different kinds. Ants don't really need those extra functions, they just use
what they need which is encoded into a much, much smaller brain. However,
they're no less sentient than a small child, they just use different
functions for different purposes.
Is that why the cells grow?
Hmmm. Sperm cells can fuse with female egg cells and create a
blastocyst...which forms into an embryo...which forms into a fetus...which
then eventually becomes a fully fledged person when the time of birth has
approached, but certainly not before, which means it is only a potential
person.
Men who masturbate regularly must be killing hundreds and hundreds of
thousands of potential humans. Women who have their periods must be having
abortions every month, as those egg cells have potential to become people,
all they need is a matching sperm cell, I mean yeah sperm cells are
potential persons, sure they are, but they aren't persons, how can they
possibly be persons? They're not fused with egg cells, and even if they were
fused, it's still not a person until 9 months has passed from the moment
they are fused. A person is *being* created in this 9 month process, but it
has not *been* created yet.
All those embryos and fetuses, all they need is a few months...they're not
persons yet, but they would become so, but it would take a few months. It's
a bit like calling a seed a plant. It's not a plant it's a bloody seed.
Funny how hardcore control freaks
Abortionists.
Abortionists are not control freaks, sure there are a few in the industry
cross-section, just like any other industry, but they sure as hell suffer
from threats, harm, terrorism, from control freaks of course!
will go to great lenghts to demonise
something that they don't necessarily agree with!
Abortionists.
Really? Got any evidence to back up that fact? From what I understand,
abortionists are providing a valuable remedy to cure women of unwanted
pregnancy. Sure, like any industry, there are bad apples in every cart. You
can't let a few bad apples ruin the whole cart, though, that's like the old
fashioned European concept of group punishment. Group punishment is a
sadistic and outrageous affront to personal liberty that has no place in
libertarian principles, libertarian principles which I deeply believe in
after my many years of experience of life in this world. It's a beautiful
world, but it's also a cruel one, and some people want the world to be so
much crueller than it already is, like anti-choice control freaks and
lunatics who perpetuate and promote the war on responsible recreational drug
use and thus create untold misery for so many. For what? For whom? Why? To
satisfy their lust for controlling others when they have no reasonable or
justifiable grounds on which to do so. Those who would outlaw abortion know
very well what would happen, and after hearing stories of women dying or
being seriously harmed as a result of trying to perform their own abortions
due to the lack of access to safe legal abortion, I am not that stupid that
I would want to see abortion become illegal once again, it would be a
nightmare of untold proportions, and I think you know only too well what I
am talking about. If not, then I must be wasting my time trying to reason
with an imbecile.
You obviously don't like the idea of women being in control of their bodies
and lives and would wish to force your own "utopian" ideals onto millions of
women, forcing them into situations that would ruin their lives, and with no
reasoned justification to back it up.
noyb
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19 Aug 2004 11:20:10 AM |
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"N.O.Y.B." <mslava04@hotmail.com> wrote...
Abortion being compared to terrorism? Wow, I've not heard that one
before, but here goes.
Karen Hughes compared pro-choicers to terrorists a few months ago:
BLITZER: Karen, how big of an issue will this abortion
rights issue be in this campaign?
HUGHES: Well..I think after September 11th the American
people are valuing life more and realizing that we need
policies to value the dignity and worth of every life...
particularly at a time when we're facing an enemy, and
really the fundamental difference between us and the
terror network we fight is that we value every life...
--Source: Karen Hughes, CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer,
April 25, 2004
So it appears that Ms. Hughes is just as bonkers as Alan Keyes. :-/
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| User: "Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII" |
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19 Aug 2004 10:00:28 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0408190820.76ffe70c@posting.google.com>...
"N.O.Y.B." <mslava04@hotmail.com> wrote...
Abortion being compared to terrorism? Wow, I've not heard that one
before, but here goes.
Karen Hughes compared pro-choicers to terrorists a few months ago:
BLITZER: Karen, how big of an issue will this abortion
rights issue be in this campaign?
HUGHES: Well..I think after September 11th the American
people are valuing life more and realizing that we need
policies to value the dignity and worth of every life...
particularly at a time when we're facing an enemy, and
really the fundamental difference between us and the
terror network we fight is that we value every life...
--Source: Karen Hughes, CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer,
April 25, 2004
So it appears that Ms. Hughes is just as bonkers as Alan Keyes. :-/
But as "bonkers" as they are, Julius, at the very least they're not
murderers. The Karen Hughes and Alan Keyes of this world are
fundamentally good and decent people dicinclined towards murdering
innocent, helpless souls. Not so with your crowd. You and your kind,
Spartakus, are evil to the core.
Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII
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20 Aug 2004 10:25:56 AM |
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(Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII)
wrote...
spartakus@my-deja.com (Spartakus) wrote...
"N.O.Y.B." <mslava04@hotmail.com> wrote...
Abortion being compared to terrorism? Wow, I've not heard that one
before, but here goes.
Karen Hughes compared pro-choicers to terrorists a few months ago:
BLITZER: Karen, how big of an issue will this abortion
rights issue be in this campaign?
HUGHES: Well..I think after September 11th the American
people are valuing life more and realizing that we need
policies to value the dignity and worth of every life...
particularly at a time when we're facing an enemy, and
really the fundamental difference between us and the
terror network we fight is that we value every life...
--Source: Karen Hughes, CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer,
April 25, 2004
So it appears that Ms. Hughes is just as bonkers as Alan Keyes. :-/
But as "bonkers" as they are, Julius, at the very least they're not
murderers. The Karen Hughes and Alan Keyes of this world are
fundamentally good and decent people dicinclined towards murdering
innocent, helpless souls. Not so with your crowd. You and your kind,
Spartakus, are evil to the core.
Another wan-note missive from the entity voted "most likely to be
involuntarily committed". Isn't it amazing that when Mariopatra picks
up its hammer, everything [foreign policy, economics, social issues,
rational thinking] looks like a nail to be hit with it?
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18 Aug 2004 11:57:12 AM |
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"N.O.Y.B." <mslava04@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<2ofq2bF7lm1pU1@uni-berlin.de>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) writes:
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N.O.Y.B. wrote:
Abortion being compared to terrorism? Wow, I've not heard
that one before, but here goes.
How on earth can it be likened to terrorism. We're not talking
about people, but rather vestigial bunches of cells that have
no sentience or awareness. How many people step on ants and
other insects all throughout the day? Those insects have much
more consciousness than the vestigial bunch of cells that the
anti-choice radicals would have you believe. When does it ever
sink in? Are they really THAT stupid?
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Papa Jack corrected:
On June 28, 2004, BBC posted an article titled: "Scans Uncover
Secrets of the Womb ." Go to:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3846525.stm
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Excerpts:
"A new type of ultrasound scan has produced the vivid pictures
of a 12 week-old foetus "walking" in the womb. The new images
also show foetuses apparently yawning and rubbing its eyes.
"The scans, pioneered by Professor Stuart Campbell at London's
Create Health Clinic, are much more detailed than conventional
ultrasound.
[...]
"Professor Campbell has perfected a technique which not only
produces detailed 3D images, but records foetal movement in
real time. He says his work has been able to show for the
first time that the unborn baby engages in complex behaviour
from an early stage of its development.
[...]
The images have shown:
* From 12 weeks, unborn babies can stretch, kick and leap
around the womb - well before the mother can feel movement
* From 18 weeks, they can open their eyes although most
doctors thought eyelids were fused until 26 weeks
* From 26 weeks, they appear to exhibit a whole range of
typical baby behaviour and moods, including scratching,
smiling, crying, hiccoughing, and sucking.
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
The more we learn, the more solid the Pro-Life's positions
become. These new techniques prove scientifically that an
unborn child is far more than a mere clump of cells -- even
at a relatively early stage.
I wonder how much longer Pro-Aborts will try to justify
abortion on demand for any reason based on the child's
early stage of development? It simply isn't logical any
more.
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N.O.Y.B. wrote:
Maybe he's one of those insane lunatics who think people who
use illicit recreational drugs are terrorists! He doesn't
like personal freedom and personal choice. He'd rather we
were all slaves!
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Papa Jack asked:
Hmmmm. Are you saying those who disapprove of the use
of illicit recreational drugs are insane lunatics?
Why is it necessary to use illicit recreational drugs
to enjoy personal freedom?
Do you feel like a slave, NOYB?
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N.O.Y.B. wrote:
Basically he doesn't agree with abortion...yeah so what?
Does that make abortion a form of terrorism? No, not any
more than voluntary recreational drug use or any other
exercise of individual liberty!
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Papa Jack remarked:
Did you actually read the article I quoted, NOYB? You
simply didn't get his primary point:
"What distinguishes the terrorist from the ordinary
warrior, is that the terrorist will consciously target
innocent human life. What is done in the course of an
abortion? . . . Someone consciously targets innocent
human life."
Unborn children ARE living human beings. Your calling them
"vestigial bunches of cells" doesn't change the truth, NOYB.
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N.O.Y.B. wrote:
Funny how hardcore control freaks will go to great lenghts
to demonise something that they don't necessarily agree
with! Heck, this guy goes as far as to say it's terrorism.
This guy is probably a hopeless loser and more than likely
suffers a mental illness, so I'll give him the benefit of
the doubt.
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Papa Jack laughed:
You sure are ignorant, NOYB. Who is Alan Keyes?
He has a Ph.D. in government from Harvard. He worked for
the State Department for 11 years -- in the U.S. Foreign
Service and on the staff of the National Security Council.
In 1983 Keyes become Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the
United Nations Economic and Social Council. In 1985, he
was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for Interna-
tional Organizations.
In the 90's, Keyes hosted his own syndicated radio show,
"America's Wake-Up Call." In 2002, he hosted a MSNBC
television show, "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."
Keyes is the author of _Masters of the Dream: The Strength
and Betrayal of Black America_ (1995); and _Our Character,
Our Future: Reclaiming America's Moral Destiny_ (1996).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com...
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
[...]
"'Now, you think it's a coincidence that on September
11th, 2001, we were struck by terrorists an evil that
has at its heart the disregard of innocent human life?'
Keyes said in a May 7 speech in Provo, Utah. 'We who
have for several decades killed not thousands but
scores of millions of our own children, in disregard
of the principle of innocent human life -- I don't
think that's a coincidence, I think that's a warning.'
[...]
"'What distinguishes the terrorist from the ordinary
warrior, is that the terrorist will consciously target
innocent human life. What is done in the course of an
abortion? . . . Someone consciously targets innocent
human life.
"'As I often point out to folks, the evil is the same.
And that means, quite frankly, in fighting the war
against terror, as I have often put it to audiences,
the evil that we fight is but the shadow of the evil
that we do.'
[...]
"'What is done in the course of an abortion is as a
result of some decision made on the basis of somebody
else's sense of their interests, convenience, emotional
situation, whatever it may be,' Keyes told the Chicago
Sun-Times. 'Someone consciously targets innocent human
life. As I often point out to folks, the evil is the
same.'
[...]
"Opposing abortion is Keyes' chief issue. He has said
protecting the unborn was one of the main reasons he
accepted Illinois Republicans' offer to replace GOP
nominee Jack Ryan in the U.S. Senate race."
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
I don't know whether or not I totally agree with Keyes
direct comparison of the 9/11 terrorists and abortionists,
but he does have a way with words to make his point.
It is true that both abortionists and terrorists operate
with a complete disregard for the innocent human lives
they are killing.
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| User: "Spartakus" |
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18 Aug 2004 11:52:30 AM |
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I was wondering who would be the first anti-choicer to comment on Alan
Keyes', um, quixotic campaign for U.S. Senate.
Congratulations, Papa Jack! You're #1! You're #1!
You are aware that Keyes is barking loony, aren't you?
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| User: "Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII" |
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20 Aug 2004 01:41:42 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in message news:<6ed74dfa.0408180852.5b967562@posting.google.com>...
I was wondering who would be the first anti-choicer to comment on Alan
Keyes', um, quixotic campaign for U.S. Senate.
Congratulations, Papa Jack! You're #1! You're #1!
You are aware that Keyes is barking loony, aren't you?
Wowser! And this coming from someone who supported Al "Environmental
Whacko" Goreleone, one of the nuttiest fucking imbeciles ever to run
for president of the United States, and this includes George McGovern
and Dukakis!
You want looney, sir? Just take a hard look at how Dean imploded a few
months ago and how Psycho Kerry is similarly morphing into a raving
lunatic. Hee hee!
Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII
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23 Aug 2004 04:03:10 PM |
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(Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII) wrote...
You want looney, sir?
Why, no.
"Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some
Panama City 'Sailor wanna hump-hump' bar or is it
getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell
'crazy' somewhere else - we're all stocked up here!"
-- Jack Nicholson, a master at telling people to *****
off and stay fucked off
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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17 Aug 2004 08:41:40 PM |
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In article <bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com>,
(papa jack) wrote:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
Alan Keyes is a sanctimonious hypocrite. He complained bitterly about
Hillary Clinton when she ran for the senate in New York. Now, its
suddenly okay for him to run for the senate in Illinois, even though he
has never lived there. What Alan Keyes says on any topic, esp. abortion
means nothing to anyone with a brain between their ears.
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| User: "Bert Bishop" |
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18 Aug 2004 08:07:09 AM |
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Shawn Hearn wrote:
In article <bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com>,
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
__________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
Alan Keyes is a sanctimonious hypocrite. He complained bitterly about
Hillary Clinton when she ran for the senate in New York. Now, its
suddenly okay for him to run for the senate in Illinois, even though he
has never lived there. What Alan Keyes says on any topic, esp. abortion
means nothing to anyone with a brain between their ears.
"And I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by
Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she doesn't even live
in and pretend to represent people there. So I certainly wouldn't
imitate it." Alan Keyes (2000)
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| Title: Re: Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism |
18 Aug 2004 03:43:19 AM |
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In article <bd9f1f6b.0408171355.795c64d2@posting.google.com>,
(papa jack) wrote:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
"When voters listen to Alan Keyes, they get the perception, "wow, this
guy is stone cold nuts" and they run home to hide their children. We
Republicans are the free market party, so look to Keyes's prior history
in elections and trust the market." - Mike Murphy in The Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/472xviv
u.asp
http://tinyurl.com/46ca8
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"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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17 Aug 2004 06:45:29 PM |
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On 17 Aug 2004 14:55:26 -0700,
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
Hmmm. Just another reminder to everyone that a mind is a
terrible thing to waste.
Since Keyes is an intelligent person, but a hateful and immoral
one who seeks to trash individual liberties.
<remaining bullcrap flushed>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism |
21 Aug 2004 10:56:17 PM |
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papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On August 17, 2004, the Chicago Sun Times posted an article by Natasha
Korecki and Scott Fornek titled: "Keyes Likens Abortion to Terrorism
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen17.html
Keyes is a rank hypocrite.
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"Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes said
Monday that women who choose to undergo abortions
and the physicians who perform the procedure are
essentially terrorists because 'the evil is the
same.'
Yeah, it's much better to enslave women and force them to suffer
and die rather than be allowed their freedom.
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I don't know whether or not I totally agree with Keyes
Why not? He's a stinking misogynistic control freak and so are you.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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