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"Michael Calwell fac@fac" |
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20 Jul 2005 04:34:06 PM |
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Letter in The Times |
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Letter in The Times |
20 Jul 2005 04:45:57 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <fac@fac> wrote in message
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I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Congratulations on having your work of fiction published. Maybe your next
one will actually contain some accurate information, rather than your lies
and strawmen.
BTW....How is your bigot alterego, Karrengrl, these days? Did she abort her
"fudgepacking fetus?"
....not that I give a ***** what bigots have to say....<plonk>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Letter in The Times |
20 Jul 2005 08:56:43 PM |
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Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Even the Times will print letters from whackos to show people the
kind of hate-filled lunacy that exists.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Letter in The Times |
20 Jul 2005 05:42:30 PM |
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Michael Calwell wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
"A growing contempt for human life"? From DOCTORS??
Isn't it time you realized that "life" and "metabolism" are not
synonymous?
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Letter in The Times |
20 Jul 2005 09:23:30 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100,
Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
ROTFL!!! What an **amazing** quantity of abject stupidity, in
such a short space! (What a dubious "talent" *that* is!)
Trying out for "Laughingstock of the Year" Award, were you?
(One CLUE:
"Moral relativism" = Capability of a person to think and reason.)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Adam H." |
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20 Jul 2005 04:42:13 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Well, you were right about one thing - your knowledge of the purpose
of the medical profession is indeed lacking. The rest of your letter
is, however, nothing more than your personal opinion, which has been
often and comprehensively shown to be based on something other than
facts.
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| User: "LC" |
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20 Jul 2005 05:02:05 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:c0htd1lbismrns801u54v4ercplru401lc@4ax.com...
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Well, you were right about one thing - your knowledge of the purpose
of the medical profession is indeed lacking. The rest of your letter
is, however, nothing more than your personal opinion, which has been
often and comprehensively shown to be based on something other than
facts.
Indeed. Just more Caldwell whining. <big yawn>
He rants that "recent votes on assisted dying and abortion reflect in my
view a growing contempt within the medical profession for human life", and
then admits "I really don't know the purpose of the medical profession any
more."
What Caldwell doesn't "know" has been on display here for sometime. All he's
managed is to broaden his audience.
"Now they are nudging open the doors of euthanasia", laments Mikey.
Gawd forbid people have a say in their last days. And thank Gawd for
organizations like http://www.deathwithdignity.org/
Congratulations, Mikey: You've managed to get in print the same crap that's
published by fundy RTL'rs in virtually every paper virtually every day.
Boo-Ya!
LC~ New day, same fundy crapola.
"At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason
than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and just".
~ Joseph Ratzinger, the brand-spanking new "Pope Benny" (meet the new boss,
same as the old boss).
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| User: "junegill" |
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20 Jul 2005 09:52:08 PM |
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"LC" <LCain't@this.com> wrote in message
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Well, you were right about one thing - your knowledge of the purpose
of the medical profession is indeed lacking. The rest of your letter
is, however, nothing more than your personal opinion, which has been
often and comprehensively shown to be based on something other than
facts.
Indeed. Just more Caldwell whining. <big yawn>
He rants that "recent votes on assisted dying and abortion reflect in my
view a growing contempt within the medical profession for human life", and
then admits "I really don't know the purpose of the medical profession any
more."
A documentary just this week - 'On Pain of Death' - showed that 58% of
people die in 'severe and overwhelming pain'. Michael and his ilk clearly
want to ensure that nobody misses out on this experience.
What Caldwell doesn't "know" has been on display here for sometime. All
he's
managed is to broaden his audience.
"Now they are nudging open the doors of euthanasia", laments Mikey.
Gawd forbid people have a say in their last days. And thank Gawd for
organizations like http://www.deathwithdignity.org/
For Europeans there's also Dignitas in Switzerland:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2676837.stm
Personally I've been stashing up prescribed meds for years. Nobody's going
to tell me that I must endure a painful terminal illness if I'm unfortunate
enough to get one.
Congratulations, Mikey: You've managed to get in print the same crap
that's
published by fundy RTL'rs in virtually every paper virtually every day.
Boo-Ya!
LC~ New day, same fundy crapola.
"At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason
than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and
just".
~ Joseph Ratzinger, the brand-spanking new "Pope Benny" (meet the new
boss,
same as the old boss).
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "LC" |
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21 Jul 2005 09:38:37 AM |
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"junegill" <junegill@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"LC" <LCain't@this.com> wrote in message
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Well, you were right about one thing - your knowledge of the purpose
of the medical profession is indeed lacking. The rest of your letter
is, however, nothing more than your personal opinion, which has been
often and comprehensively shown to be based on something other than
facts.
Indeed. Just more Caldwell whining. <big yawn>
He rants that "recent votes on assisted dying and abortion reflect in my
view a growing contempt within the medical profession for human life",
and then admits "I really don't know the purpose of the medical
profession any more."
A documentary just this week - 'On Pain of Death' - showed that 58% of
people die in 'severe and overwhelming pain'. Michael and his ilk clearly
want to ensure that nobody misses out on this experience.
Well, he's just goose-stepping to his marching orders out of V City, of
course. Just a good 'lil foot soldier.
Seems to me there's a couple of millenia's worth of track record there, a
sordid history that indicates those old men in funny robes and big hats are
frequently on the wrong side of big issues.
Indoctrination, however, they clearly understand.
What Caldwell doesn't "know" has been on display here for sometime. All
he's managed is to broaden his audience.
"Now they are nudging open the doors of euthanasia", laments Mikey.
Gawd forbid people have a say in their last days. And thank Gawd for
organizations like http://www.deathwithdignity.org/
For Europeans there's also Dignitas in Switzerland:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2676837.stm
Personally I've been stashing up prescribed meds for years. Nobody's
going to tell me that I must endure a painful terminal illness if I'm
unfortunate enough to get one.
Indeed. I've sat at the bedside of loved ones dying of terminal cancer,
morphined to the hilt and still in unimaginable discomfort. Apparently, in
the low voltage minds of the unquestioning faithful, that's the way God
wants it. Good for the soul, so it's preached.
Now, if Calwell and his fellow lackeys feel that that kind of suffering is
part of their 'personal spiritual growth', I have no problem with their
'choice'. To each his own. The problem arises when their theological
fantasies comes in conflict with my rights.
Seems a bit difficult for them to grasp. Pity.
Congratulations, Mikey: You've managed to get in print the same crap
that's published by fundy RTL'rs in virtually every paper virtually every
day.
Boo-Ya!
LC~ New day, same fundy crapola.
"At the time of Galileo the Church remained much more faithful to reason
than Galileo himself. The process against Galileo was reasonable and
just". ~ Joseph Ratzinger, the brand-spanking new "Pope Benny" (meet the
new boss, same as the old boss).
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| User: "Michael Calwell fac@fac" |
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21 Jul 2005 01:13:08 PM |
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junegill wrote:
He rants that "recent votes on assisted dying and abortion reflect in my
view a growing contempt within the medical profession for human life", and
then admits "I really don't know the purpose of the medical profession any
more."
A documentary just this week - 'On Pain of Death' - showed that 58% of
people die in 'severe and overwhelming pain'. Michael and his ilk clearly
want to ensure that nobody misses out on this experience.
That, June, is called "the failure of palliative care", not "the need to
kill people".
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| User: "junegill" |
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22 Jul 2005 07:29:08 AM |
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"Michael Calwell" <fac@fac> wrote in message
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junegill wrote:
He rants that "recent votes on assisted dying and abortion reflect in my
view a growing contempt within the medical profession for human life",
and
then admits "I really don't know the purpose of the medical profession
any
more."
A documentary just this week - 'On Pain of Death' - showed that 58% of
people die in 'severe and overwhelming pain'. Michael and his ilk
clearly
want to ensure that nobody misses out on this experience.
That, June, is called "the failure of palliative care", not "the need to
kill people".
Certainly it's a failure of palliative care, but why should a terminally ill
patient be forced to spend three or four weeks either in pain or in a fog of
morphine-like substances if s/he would prefer to end it earlier? We're not
talking of killing people, but of voluntary euthanasia - there's a huge
difference.
--
June G
# 364
http://uk.geocities.com/junegill@btopenworld.com/webpages/index.html.html
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jul 2005 11:15:51 AM |
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Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
junegill wrote:
A documentary just this week - 'On Pain of Death' - showed that 58% of
people die in 'severe and overwhelming pain'. Michael and his ilk clearly
want to ensure that nobody misses out on this experience.
That, June, is called "the failure of palliative care", not "the need to
kill people".
Because you're such an ignorant and arrogant control freak you fail to
recognize that the failure is in people like you are would rather see
people suffer. You refuse to accept that medication CANNOT relieve
all pain. You refuse to accept that other people really do know more
about the subject that you do.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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24 Jul 2005 10:58:42 AM |
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the still bitter and defeated LC wrote:
LC~ New day, same fundy crapola.
It must suck to do nothing for years but stalk and harrass. Be nice to
this man or he may just *****-slap and publically embarrass you, just
like I did to you.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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24 Jul 2005 11:53:47 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in news:1122220722.448741.11910
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
It must suck to do nothing for years but stalk and harrass. Be nice to
this man or he may just *****-slap and publically embarrass you, just
like I did to you.
if you keep talking out loud to yourself like that, people will conclude
that you are crazy.
wait! most people already do.
never mind.
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| User: "LC" |
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24 Jul 2005 02:31:48 PM |
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Cyberstalking troll "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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It must suck to do nothing for years
Well, that seems to be your life, IBen.
Such as it is...
Pity.
but stalk and harrass.
Says the troll that fails to address the topic of this thread, showing up to
'stalk and harrass'.
Your innate inability to comprehend irony is priceless, IBen.
Y'know, what with so much free time on your hands, you'd think you might-for
once-actually stick around long enough to *attempt* to defend some of your
trolls. Of course, that would require intellectual rigor and honesty, two
traits you obviously lack. You *are* quite a runner, however...<BFG>
Be nice to this man or he may just *****-slap and publically embarrass
you, just like I did to you.
<snicker>
Big talk from a little coward. What's new?
I'm sure you'll want to provide some evidence for your claim?
LC~ Actually, I'm sure this is where 'lil J runs off. Again.
Run, IBen, run!
"He's (J Young) one of the worst trolls ever to come in and has been
obviously so since the beginning!"
From: "Achy Breaky Clayton" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonymails.com>
Message-ID: <42e33dd2$0$3581$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
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| User: "John Savard" |
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25 Jul 2005 10:00:04 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:42:13 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote,
in part:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Well, you were right about one thing - your knowledge of the purpose
of the medical profession is indeed lacking. The rest of your letter
is, however, nothing more than your personal opinion, which has been
often and comprehensively shown to be based on something other than
facts.
Legalized euthanasia *does* come with risks.
And there are plenty of "facts" that support the perception that a fetus
or embryo is a developing organism that is later known as a child. If
you're looking for a weak spot in the argument against abortion, you're
looking in the wrong place there.
John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html
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Unlimited download
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jul 2005 11:17:39 AM |
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John Savard <jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid> wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote,
Well, you were right about one thing - your knowledge of the purpose
of the medical profession is indeed lacking. The rest of your letter
is, however, nothing more than your personal opinion, which has been
often and comprehensively shown to be based on something other than
facts.
Legalized euthanasia *does* come with risks.
Everything has risks. Notably it's you anti-choice control freaks who
want to force other people to take the risks.
And there are plenty of "facts" that support the perception that a fetus
or embryo is a developing organism that is later known as a child.
There is more evidence that you're an irrational pro-liar refusing to
accept the truth.
A fetus is not an organism. Women are not your slaves.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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21 Jul 2005 05:43:59 AM |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
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| User: "Michael Calwell fac@fac" |
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21 Jul 2005 12:53:00 PM |
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Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
What, me and the 1/6th of the rest of world who are Catholic, the
billions who are non Catholic Christians, the billions of Muslims and
Hindus, and other marginal minorities?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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25 Jul 2005 01:17:20 AM |
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Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
What, me and the 1/6th of the rest of world who are Catholic, the
You don't speak for anybody but your own immoral self, kook.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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24 Jul 2005 02:50:32 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:53:00 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
What,
You read.
[...]
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24 Jul 2005 02:39:41 PM |
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Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
Have you recovered yet from the fact-thrashing you got from Michael?
From here I can still see the bruises.
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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24 Jul 2005 02:51:02 PM |
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On 24 Jul 2005 12:39:41 -0700, wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
Have you recovered yet from the fact-thrashing you got from Michael?
When did I receive a fact-thrashing?
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25 Jul 2005 12:03:35 AM |
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Sneekers wrote:
On 24 Jul 2005 12:39:41 -0700, wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
Have you recovered yet from the fact-thrashing you got from Michael?
When did I receive a fact-thrashing?
Read #16. Doh!
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25 Jul 2005 04:45:15 AM |
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On 24 Jul 2005 22:03:35 -0700, wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On 24 Jul 2005 12:39:41 -0700, wrote:
Sneekers wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:34:06 +0100, Michael Calwell <fac@fac> wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Would you like a cookie for your award for ensuring that you're
embarassing position is known to a world-wide audience? Not to worry,
Calwell, along with your lack of knowlege, you have also presented
yourself, rather assiduously, that you're a fucking kook.
Have you recovered yet from the fact-thrashing you got from Michael?
When did I receive a fact-thrashing?
Read...
Again, where's the fact thrashing?
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24 Jul 2005 02:37:05 PM |
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That was an excellent letter, Michael. Congratulations. I like how you
combined the larger issue with your personal experience. Well done.
Michael Calwell wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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24 Jul 2005 09:22:28 PM |
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writes:
Michael Calwell wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
That was an excellent letter, Michael. Congratulations. I like how you
combined the larger issue with your personal experience. Well done.
You won't mind being referred to as the Official Anti-Abort ***** of Escambia
County, will you?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 5, Houston 3 (April 26)
NEXT GAME: Date/opponent/site TBA in August 2005
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| User: "Michael Calwell fac@fac" |
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25 Jul 2005 03:43:26 AM |
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wrote:
That was an excellent letter, Michael. Congratulations. I like how you
combined the larger issue with your personal experience. Well done.
Michael Calwell wrote:
I had the following letter published in "The Times" newspaper.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8122-1698133,00.html
Thank you.
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25 Jul 2005 04:46:24 AM |
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On 24 Jul 2005 12:37:05 -0700, wrote:
That was an excellent letter, Michael. Congratulations. I like how you
combined the larger issue with your personal experience. Well done.
Suck it up.
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