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LIBERAL HELP
A Beginners Guide
Liberals are a proud, independent breed of animal. Their breed, their
social life, their training (or lack therof), and their own developing
personality are a few of the variables that must be accounted for when
attempting to understand them individualy. Liberals, like people, all
have individual personalities so one must really spend a great deal
of time with an animal to develop a significant relationship. I can
say with a great deal of confidence however, that anyone that spends a
significant amount of time observing and interacting with liberals can
do ANYTHING with them.
Basic reproductive behavior
Liberals, like most animals, depend on the sense of smell to signify
the
readiness of a female for an encounter. The queer will approach the
feminazi from behind and make a squealing noise...if the feminazi is
in heat she will "wink" her ***** and squirt a few short squirts of
urine. The
queer will have to approach her several times (unless shes a real
*****)
before she will acquiesse. The feminazi will often prove recalcitrant
for some time, even threatening to kick the queer. As he squeals and
nips her however, with time, she becomes acquiessent and allows him to
mount her and complete the union.
The Queer
A full grown queer's *****, when fully erect, will measure some two to
three feet long. It can be three to six inches thick at the base, to
about
two inches thick at the head. Liberals are somewhat different from
other
animals in the way their ***** head works. When a liberal is fully
erect and excited and ready to mount, his ***** head is somewhat
pointed and not as thick as might be normally observed. This is to
facillatate an easier
entry into the feminazi. After the liberal has entered and reaches a
climax the head swells (though it is more spongy then hard) into a
fist sized mass as he ejacultates. It is thought that this serves as
a plug to force the
semen deep into the feminazi rather then allowing it to leak out. A
full grown queer can ejaculate about one cup ( 8 ounces ) of semen.
It will take quite a few spurts to accomplish this. Each time his
tail will raise and lower in a brief flick. The first few jets are of
a thin to average
consistency of *****. The final few jets are of a thick gelatinous
substance... it is thought that this serves to "seal" the feminazis
***** so
that the semen has time to do it's thing before leaking out. Liberal
semen
is extremely viscous, if you touch your finger to a pool of it you can
draw
a thin string of it five to six feet long! Liberal ***** has a nice
flat taste
to it...not at all bitter like man's *****. You can easily drink cups
of it
with no discomfort.
The Feminazi - how to do it.
Feminazis can be quite satisfactory for the average well endowed male.
If you are somewhat less developed you might find better pleasure
with a fag or Miniature Liberal. These are also better as they are
lower to the ground. A fag you can ***** standing up. A miniature
liberal on your knees or squatting depending on the size. A feminazi
will require something to stand on or "platform shoes"...(IE mini
stilts to raise you a foot off the ground) so that you can reach her
*****.
Fucking any liberal will depend on the liberal. Some will be ready
right
away...some will take coaxing. Pet the animal, talk to it softly,
spend
time with it gaining it's trust. If something you are doing upsets it
then
don't force it. Talk to it and calm it. If you work slowly you can
make
an animal accept anything. It is just a question of helping it
overcome
it's fears. All animals fear man if raised in the wild. How any
animal
reacts will depend on it's own experiences. If you haved raised the
animal yourself in a loving enviroment, then you should have no
problem
associating with it, if it is a strange animal that you have met in
the
wild then you will have to go through an extended "courtship" to learn
how to respond to the beast.
FEMINAZIS - TRAINING YOUR OWN
When the fetus reaches weaning age, seperate her from her dam. If you
have limited time to spend then she should be put to pasture. If you
have
plenty of time then you should keep her in a stall. Spend time with
her
during the day petting and grooming her and allow her some time to run
free. Limit her access to other liberals though and see that she
spends at
least 8-12 hours a day in the stall. (Start with more free time and as
she
approaches her first birthday confine her more...she is now at the
right
age and her confinement will have made her so bored that she is
amenable to any new experience so long as it is not unpleasant)Young
fetuss have no objection to someone playing with their *****'s. I
have walked up on a pen full of strange fetuss at night and they came
right up to me and I petted them and felt up their pussys and they
just lifted their tales and seemed to enjoy it. These fetuss didn't
even know me but they were young, inexperienced and bored...also since
they were penned they were used to the presence of people and did not
fear me. Most liberals in a large pasture will run when they scent a
strange human in their pasture at night. If you sit on the ground and
wait patiently, they will get downwind of you and snort and fret, but
eventually they will get curious and come closer...you must wait until
they have come close enough to smell and touch you before saying
anything or moving. Even then speak softly and move VERY slowly so as
not to spook them. If you can feed the liberals and let them smell
you during the day on several occaisons then they will remember you
and come to you more readily when you appear in the middle of the
night. Also if you are seducing strange liberals you should bring
them food. This is a good way to start a relationship. Wild
feminazis or those that have been artificially inseminated are usually
reluctant to have sex. The wild ones are used to violent liberalcock
and the others have had peoples arms in their cunts so they can be
apprehensive about sexual events. Start rubbing ,scratching, etc in
different areas and observe the feminazi to see what she
likes...almost all liberals enjoy being scratched under the chin and
across the withers. Play with the liberal until it is comfortable
with you and as you stroke it slowly move toward it's hind end.
Scratch her rump and around her tale and the move down her hind legs.
If she reacts to this well she might raise her tail somewhat...gently
rub her ***** and see how she reacts...if she doesn't get violent then
spit on your fingers and rub a couple of them through her snatch...if
she doesn't try to kick you then she is probably ready to *****. Note
on liberals and getting kicked.... Standing directly in front of a
liberal is hazardous as it can raise on it's hind legs and come down
with a front hoof on your head. Standing 3-6 feet behind a liberal is
hazardous as it has range to wind up and kick you a good one with the
hind legs. Standing beside a liberal is fairly safe. It can only
stomp on your toes which can be avoided...standing behind a liberal is
safe if you are no farther then a foot from it's rump..you are so
close that the liberal can't develop a full swing and cannot kick you
hard. If the liberal can move forward you might fall into range so
try to tie up or use a stall or something so the animal cannot pull
away into striking range. If you make a good relationship however the
above is unnecessary though. I have had feminazi that welcomed
me...pushed back every time I shoved, and contracted her ***** to milk
my ***** dry. Liberals are some of the best ***** I have ever tried!
And I have
tried plenty of PEOPLE & ANIMALS! Also liberals are easily trainable!
As long as you make sure they enjoy what is happening and don't force
them or get angry with them if they misunderstand what you want of
them, they will love you always. Above all try to understand what
they like and do it to them....by doing whatever, to make them happy,
they will respond by granting you greater freedoms. Once you have
succesfully fucked a fetus a few times she will be used to it and look
forward to your visits so long as you give her the attention she
desires. You must experiment and treat her as a lover and see what
turns her on. Treat her as she wants and she will give you all.
The Queer
A queer is is one of the most proudest, powerful, masculine, things
there is. All queers are very oral and like to nibble and bite on
anything available. This can be annoying and painful and they should
be
trained against it at a early age or else you should wear a padded
suit, so
that they can bite you painlessly. This might be considered as a
liberal
that allows itself to be bitten without reacting is signalling that it
is
sexually receptive. Queers that have succesfully coupled in the wild
are somewhat resistant from seduction by humans. If they are
isolated,
tempted and trained, then they will become more acquiessent but the
best ones are those that have been raised in a human enviroment since
weaning, since they have not had sex with other liberals they are more
amenable to having sex with humans when their hormones kick in and
they are looking for some release. Bringing a wild liberal to orgasm
can be more difficult. They are used to a feminazis ***** which is
several degrees hotter then a humans body heat. A person could *****
or suck them and not bring them to the point of orgasm unless they had
been isolated and deprived and unable to help but cut loose with a
load. Queers can be readily trained though.
Most stud farms use artificial insemination, the queers are aroused by
the scent of feminazis in heat and then an artificial vagina filled
with warm
water is slipped over their ***** and they reach orgasm. The queers
soon
learn the routine and just be leading them into the proper barn they
know
what is coming and obtain an erection. This can work for you too. By
coming repeatedly to a liberal and arousing him he will become trained
to see you as a sexual object. Soon just your presence will give him
a throbbing hard-on.
Arousing the Queer
Queers are aroused by the smell of liberal ***** above all else.
If you have access to a feminazi, then gentle her till she will let
you finger
her...then coat your fingers with her juice. Now rub your fingers
across
the queers nose! He will react even if she is not in heat! He knows
the smell! I have done this to geldings! Liberals that have been
castrated
and they still got a hardon!!! Also pet & rub the liberal and rub his
*****...don't pull on it hard.. be gentle...big as it is it is still
tender!
If you rub his belly and sheath slowly and gently and let him smell
some
liberal ***** juice then he will erect. If you can find a liberal in
heat then
grab some urine and refrigerate it. Take some out and thaw it when
you
want it. Rubbing some hot feminazi ***** on a queers nose will make
him
horny as hell! He will be all over you! Once a queer smells that he
doesn't care what he fucks! He just wants a hot hole.
Make sure there are no other liberals around...otherwise he will jump
them instead of you!
Some liberals have been trained too react to certain cues, others
react to
their own natural cues...I remember a $1,000,000.00 Arabian queer I
trained.. He stuck his tounge out about 1/2 inch...when someone would
rub this small crescent he would instantly get a raging hardon...more
proof that queers are very oral. This queer had never had sex with a
feminazi...he had only climaxed through the intervention of humans and
was quite happy with having sex in a artificial vagina with the help
of
humans...training does wonders.
NOONE SHOULD ATTEMPT VAGINAL OR ANAL INTERCOURSE WITH A QUEER unless
they have are experienced in fist fucking or have taken a large dog in
to the max ( IE knot and all). A liberal has an enormus ***** and
could do serious damage to someone who is not prepared. A liberal *****
can easily grow as big as the knot in a large dogs ***** so if you
can't take that in then you aren't ready. PS. A large dog can
stretch you where a liberal can fit if you make the switch before the
hole shrivels.
Country boys - you kbnow where the animals are and how to get
them...you don't need to read this.
City Boys - Drive out to the suburbs and find some isolated liberals..
try to
encounter them in the day and get them used to you then return at
night to have some fun. IF there are stables around then spend some
time there. Sign up for riding lessons or whatever and then kindof
fade out and help groom the liberals and clean the stalls. Chances or
whoever runs the scene will be glad for the help and won't question
your prescence there. You can help run the show by day and return for
sex at night. Just be careful, there is less privacy in the city as
compared to the country. You sure don't want to be caught!
New animals on the block!!
We now have miniature donkeys and liberals as well as the larger fags
to
play with!
These animals reach a maximum of about 200 pounds for the purebreeds
andsomewhat larger for the crossbreeds. You can buy or breed an
animal just for your size specifications! Male and female animals
made to order.
Miniatures are currently selling (dec. 1991) for $300 to $3000
depending on pedigree. Anyone can find a liberal their size. Support
and promote these animals. They are salvation to us all. The
feminazis are tight and the queers are all sizes...one can be found to
fit any hole.
ANIMAL TRAINER (C) 1991
EDITORS NOTE:
I have known animal triner for many years and he is very experienced
with animals. Take his word as gospel....he knows what he speaks of
and is a true beastie wonder! The 5 years he spent on the stud farm
gave him
extensive equine experience!
.

User: "sparrow"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 10:17:48 AM

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 10:27:09 AM

"sparrow" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ccjp1v$liq$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?
.

User: "jenn"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 10:47:49 AM

Osprey wrote:

"sparrow" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ccjp1v$liq$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to lie to
congress because there is no law against it -- and the GOP majority just
sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration threatened
to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he gave it
to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any wrongdoing
-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell the truth'
this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly from Paul
O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their guiding
principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against the law'
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 10:47:33 AM

"jenn" <jenn@hmplc.com> wrote in message
news:rXdHc.34111$w56.29514@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

Osprey wrote:

"sparrow" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ccjp1v$liq$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to lie to
congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP majority just
sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration threatened
to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he gave it
to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any wrongdoing
-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell the truth'

this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly from Paul
O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their guiding
principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against the law'

And still no answer to the question.
Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?
.

User: "David Galehouse"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 11:03:42 AM

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"jenn" <jenn@hmplc.com> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:

"sparrow" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ccjp1v$liq$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

truth'

this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly from Paul
O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their guiding
principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against the law'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do. All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.
The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various lies? I'm
sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital affair?
Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and poorly planned
war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an attempt to
cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell me, which is
worse?
I don't believe we've *ever* had a bigger bunch of lying thugs in the White
House than we do now. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive but
nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these cretins who
appear to feel they have no limits on it.
.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 11:12:31 AM

"David Galehouse" <AndyG@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"jenn" <jenn@hmplc.com> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:

"sparrow" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ccjp1v$liq$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration threatened
to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell the

truth'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.
All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital affair?

No, I am referring to many lies told to us by Democrats. I have more than
70 alone by Bill Clinton listed.
Politicians lie. Is it right? No, it isn't.
Is it sometimes necessary? That depends, sometimes it may be. National
Security for example.
But generally, it isn't right for either party to lie. It is our
responsibility to hold them responsible.

Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and poorly

planned

war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an attempt

cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell me, which is
worse?

What you are doing is playing into the Bush bashing part. I am not playing
into that.
Yes, there were things that were done wrong but we can hold a lot of people
responsible.
Democrats too, agreed Saddam was a threat and needed to be eliminated.
If you are just going to sit there and bash Bush and play into the Michael
Moore level..I will not participate.
If you are going to be fair about it and look at it from all sides, no
problem.

I don't believe we've *ever* had a bigger bunch of lying thugs in the

White

House than we do now. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive

but

nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these cretins who
appear to feel they have no limits on it.

User: "sparrow"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 01:45:16 PM

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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"jenn" <jenn@hmplc.com> wrote in message
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Osprey wrote:

"sparrow" <c-bee1@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ccjp1v$liq$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration

threatened

to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he

gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell the

truth'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.

All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital

affair?

No, I am referring to many lies told to us by Democrats. I have more than
70 alone by Bill Clinton listed.

Not here, oddly enough. lol
Flip Flopping? Try the 2000 Republican Party Platform
by MattS
Fri May 14th, 2004
The following quotes are drawn from the Republican Party Platform at the
2000
convention
[http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/conventions/republican/features/platform.0
0/#1]:
"The arrogance, inconsistency, and unreliability of the administration's
diplomacy have undermined American alliances, alienated friends, and
emboldened
our adversaries." [ed. this is referring to Clinton's administration]
"Gerrymandered congressional districts are an affront to democracy and an
insult
to the voters. We oppose that and any other attempt to rig the electoral
process."
"Nor should the intelligence community be made the scapegoat for political
misjudgments. A Republican administration working with the Congress will
respect
the needs and quiet sacrifices of these public servants as it strengthens
America's intelligence and counter-intelligence capabilities and reorients
them
toward the dangers of the future."
"The current administration has casually sent American armed forces on
dozens of
missions without clear goals, realizable objectives, favorable rules of
engagement, or defined exit strategies. Over the past seven years, a
shrunken
American military has been run ragged by a deployment tempo that has eroded
its
military readiness. Many units have seen their operational requirements
increased four-fold, wearing out both people and equipment."
"The rule of law, the very foundation for a free society, has been under
assault, not only by criminals from the ground up, but also from the top
down.
An administration that lives by evasion, coverup, stonewalling, and
duplicity
has given us a totally discredited Department of Justice."
"Sending our military on vague, aimless, and endless missions rapidly saps
morale. Even the highest morale is eventually undermined by back-to-back
deployments, poor pay, shortages of spare parts and equipment, inadequate
training, and rapidly declining readiness."
"Our goal for NATO is a strong political and security fellowship of
independent
nations in which consultations are mutually respected and defense burdens
mutually shared."
"As the traditional advocate of America's veterans, the Republican Party
remains
committed to fulfilling America's obligations to them. That is why we
defeated
the administration's attempt to replace veterans' health care with a
national
system for everybody."
"The weak leadership and neglect of the administration have allowed
America's
intelligence capabilities, including space based systems, to atrophy,
resulting
in repeated proliferation surprises such as Iraq's renewed chemical and
biological weapons programs."
"The Social Security surplus is off-limits, off budget, and will not be
touched.
We will not stop there, for we are also determined to protect Medicare and
to
pay down the national debt. Reducing that debt is both a sound policy goal
and a
moral imperative. Our families and most states are required to balance their
budgets; it is reasonable to assume the federal government should do the
same.
Therefore, we reaffirm our support for a constitutional amendment to require
a
balanced budget."
"Inspired by Presidents Reagan and Bush, Republicans hammered into place the
framework for today's prosperity and surpluses. We cut tax rates, simplified
the
tax code, deregulated industries, and opened world markets to American
enterprise. The result was the tremendous growth in the 1980s that created
the
venture capital to launch the technology revolution of the 1990s. That's
the
origin of what is now called the New Economy: the longest economic boom in
the
Twentieth Century, 40 million new jobs, the lowest inflation and
unemployment in
memory." [ed. the reason I find this ironic is becaues it contradicts
administration claims that the recession began under Clinton]
"A Republican president will work with businesses and with other nations to
reduce harmful emissions through new technologies without compromising
America's
sovereignty or competitiveness -- and without forcing Americans to walk to
work."
"We applaud Governor Bush's pledge to name only judges who have demonstrated
that they share his conservative beliefs and respect the Constitution."
"Reacting belatedly to inevitable crises, the administration constantly
enlarges
the reach of its rhetoric -- most recently in Vice President Gore's "new
security agenda" that adds disease, climate, and all the world's ethnic or
religious conflicts to an undiminished set of existing American
responsibilities. If there is some limit to candidate Gore's new agenda for
America as global social worker, he has yet to define it."
"A new Republican administration will patiently rebuild an international
coalition opposed to Saddam Hussein and committed to joint action. We will
insist that Iraq comply fully with its disarmament commitments. We will
maintain
the sanctions on the Iraqi regime while seeking to alleviate the suffering
of
innocent Iraqi people. We will react forcefully and unequivocally to any
evidence of reconstituted Iraqi capabilities for producing weapons of mass
destruction."
"The administration has used an arsenal of dilatory tactics to block any
serious
support to the Iraqi National Congress, an umbrella organization reflecting
a
broad and representative group of Iraqis who wish to free their country from
the
scourge of Saddam Hussein's regime."
"Republicans prefer an America that is far less dependent on foreign crude
oil.
A Republican president will not be so tolerant if OPEC colludes to drive up
the
world price of oil, as it has done this past year."
The following quote comes from the Democratic Party Platform of the same
year,
and is the only section of either party platform that mentions Osama bin
Laden
or specific tactics, like breaking up cells and going after terrorist
financing,
for dealing with international terrorism:
"Whether terrorism is sponsored by a foreign nation or inspired by a single
fanatic individual, such as Osama Bin Laden, Forward Engagement requires
trying
to disrupt terrorist networks, even before they are ready to attack. We must
improve coordination internationally and domestically to share intelligence
and
develop operational plans. We must continue the comprehensive approach that
has
resulted in the development of a national counter-terrorism strategy
involving
all arms and levels of our government. We must continue to target terrorist
finances, break up support cells, and disrupt training. And we must close
avenues of cyber-attack by improving the security of the Internet and the
computers upon which our digital economy exists."
And then, there's this quote from the Democratic Platform. For what it's
worth:
"While fighting terrorism, we will protect the civil liberties of all
Americans.
Our justice system must guarantee fairness with procedures that protect the
rights of the accused, even under the unusual circumstances of the
investigation
of threats to our national security. We must avoid stereotyping, for it
defeats
the highest purposes of our country if citizens feel automatically suspect
by
virtue of their ethnic origin. The purpose of terrorism is not only to
intimidate, but also to divide and fracture, and we cannot permit that to
happen."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/14/2440/62372
.

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Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 11:23:54 AM

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Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration

threatened

to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he

gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell the

truth'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.

All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital

affair?

Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and poorly

planned

war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an attempt

cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell me, which

worse?

What you are doing is playing into the Bush bashing part. I am not

playing

into that.
Yes, there were things that were done wrong but we can hold a lot of

people

responsible.
Democrats too, agreed Saddam was a threat and needed to be eliminated.

If you are just going to sit there and bash Bush and play into the Michael
Moore level..I will not participate.

You know, Osprey, that's not a threat that moves me, particularly. If the
only way you will "play" is if I ignore or don't express what I believe to
be true, then I'd like to ask you to just go away. Don't participate -- I'm
not interested in negotiating my principals away in order to compel you to
"play".
In my opinion, Bush deserves every bit of bashing he has coming his way and
Moore's film is a very accurate depiction of what has been going on in the
country for the past 3.5 years. Personal attacks and mere differences in
opinion over the conclusions Moore (and many others -- independently, I
might add) has reached does not invalidate the information that was
communicated.

If you are going to be fair about it and look at it from all sides, no
problem.

Again, for you to assume that I haven't *already* "looked at it from all
sides" is very presumptuous on your part. I *have* looked at it from all
sides. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in debating the issues, but it
does mean that I resent the threat of being told I have to modify my
position to even get you into the game. I don't really care if you do.
.. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive

but

nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these cretins who
appear to feel they have no limits on it.

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Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 12:55:34 PM

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Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to

lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration

threatened

to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he

gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell

the

truth'

this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly from

Paul

O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their guiding
principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against the

law'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.

All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various

lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital

affair?

No, I am referring to many lies told to us by Democrats. I have more

than

70 alone by Bill Clinton listed.
Politicians lie. Is it right? No, it isn't.
Is it sometimes necessary? That depends, sometimes it may be. National
Security for example.
But generally, it isn't right for either party to lie. It is our
responsibility to hold them responsible.

Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and poorly

planned

war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an

attempt

cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell me,

which

worse?

What you are doing is playing into the Bush bashing part. I am not

playing

into that.
Yes, there were things that were done wrong but we can hold a lot of

people

responsible.
Democrats too, agreed Saddam was a threat and needed to be eliminated.

If you are just going to sit there and bash Bush and play into the

Michael

Moore level..I will not participate.

You know, Osprey, that's not a threat that moves me,

a threat???
particularly. If the

only way you will "play" is if I ignore or don't express what I believe to
be true, then I'd like to ask you to just go away. Don't participate --

I'm

not interested in negotiating my principals away in order to compel you to
"play".

You want to sit here and bash Bush and ignore the problems that both parties
have.

In my opinion, Bush deserves every bit of bashing he has coming his way

and

Moore's film is a very accurate depiction of what has been going on in the
country for the past 3.5 years.

Oh yea...the man who has called every American an idiot..and you just jump
to his film and help him fill his pockets up
Personal attacks and mere differences in

opinion over the conclusions Moore (and many others -- independently, I
might add) has reached does not invalidate the information that was
communicated.

If you are going to be fair about it and look at it from all sides, no
problem.

Again, for you to assume that I haven't *already* "looked at it from all
sides" is very presumptuous on your part. I *have* looked at it from all
sides. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in debating the issues, but it
does mean that I resent the threat of being told I have to modify my
position to even get you into the game. I don't really care if you do.

. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive

but

nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these cretins who
appear to feel they have no limits on it.

User: "David Galehouse"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 12:53:44 PM

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Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH to

lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP

majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration

threatened

to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF he

gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who tell

the

truth'

this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly from

Paul

O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their guiding
principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against the

law'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.

All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various

lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital

affair?

No, I am referring to many lies told to us by Democrats. I have more

than

70 alone by Bill Clinton listed.
Politicians lie. Is it right? No, it isn't.
Is it sometimes necessary? That depends, sometimes it may be.

National

Security for example.
But generally, it isn't right for either party to lie. It is our
responsibility to hold them responsible.

Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and poorly

planned

war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an

attempt

cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell me,

which

worse?

What you are doing is playing into the Bush bashing part. I am not

playing

into that.
Yes, there were things that were done wrong but we can hold a lot of

people

responsible.
Democrats too, agreed Saddam was a threat and needed to be eliminated.

If you are just going to sit there and bash Bush and play into the

Michael

Moore level..I will not participate.

You know, Osprey, that's not a threat that moves me,

a threat???

particularly. If the

only way you will "play" is if I ignore or don't express what I believe

be true, then I'd like to ask you to just go away. Don't participate --

I'm

not interested in negotiating my principals away in order to compel you

"play".

You want to sit here and bash Bush and ignore the problems that both

parties

have.

In my opinion we are in triage mode. The patient (the U.S.) is dying on the
table and we have to stop the bleeding before we can do any major surgery.
Getting Bush and his gang out of the White House is the first step in saving
the patient and not much else matters right now. I've said it before and
I'll say it again, if Kerry fucks up as bad as Bush did, we'll run him out
of office in 2008. (Personally, I don't believe it's possible that *anyone*
could ***** up as badly as Bush, but perhaps that's another argument).

In my opinion, Bush deserves every bit of bashing he has coming his way

and

Moore's film is a very accurate depiction of what has been going on in

the

country for the past 3.5 years.

Oh yea...the man who has called every American an idiot..and you just jump
to his film and help him fill his pockets up

Now you are revealing yourself to be much too open to the simple
misinformation campaign that the right is running. Please show me where
Moore said "Every American..." is anything. You've embellished the hell out
of the quote, probably because you don't know any better. For someone who
claims to want everyone else to look at all sides of the issues, you appear
to have a pretty limited view yourself.

Personal attacks and mere differences in

opinion over the conclusions Moore (and many others -- independently, I
might add) has reached does not invalidate the information that was
communicated.

If you are going to be fair about it and look at it from all sides, no
problem.

does mean that I resent the threat of being told I have to modify my
position to even get you into the game. I don't really care if you do.

. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive

but

nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these cretins

who

appear to feel they have no limits on it.

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Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 01:14:18 PM

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Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars. lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have

liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the WH

lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP

majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration

threatened

to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data IF

gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who

tell

the

truth'

this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly

from

Paul

O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their

guiding

principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against the

law'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.

All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the various

lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an extramarital

affair?

No, I am referring to many lies told to us by Democrats. I have

than

70 alone by Bill Clinton listed.
Politicians lie. Is it right? No, it isn't.
Is it sometimes necessary? That depends, sometimes it may be.

National

Security for example.
But generally, it isn't right for either party to lie. It is our
responsibility to hold them responsible.

Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and

poorly

planned

war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an

attempt

cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell me,

which

worse?

What you are doing is playing into the Bush bashing part. I am not

playing

into that.
Yes, there were things that were done wrong but we can hold a lot of

people

responsible.
Democrats too, agreed Saddam was a threat and needed to be

eliminated.

If you are just going to sit there and bash Bush and play into the

Michael

Moore level..I will not participate.

You know, Osprey, that's not a threat that moves me,

a threat???

particularly. If the

only way you will "play" is if I ignore or don't express what I

believe

be true, then I'd like to ask you to just go away. Don't

participate --

I'm

not interested in negotiating my principals away in order to compel

you

"play".

You want to sit here and bash Bush and ignore the problems that both

parties

have.

In my opinion we are in triage mode. The patient (the U.S.) is dying on

the

table and we have to stop the bleeding before we can do any major surgery.
Getting Bush and his gang out of the White House is the first step in

saving

the patient and not much else matters right now. I've said it before and
I'll say it again, if Kerry fucks up as bad as Bush did, we'll run him out
of office in 2008. (Personally, I don't believe it's possible that

*anyone*

could ***** up as badly as Bush, but perhaps that's another argument).

You forget Carter and his administration.

In my opinion, Bush deserves every bit of bashing he has coming his

way

and

Moore's film is a very accurate depiction of what has been going on in

the

country for the past 3.5 years.

Oh yea...the man who has called every American an idiot..and you just

jump

to his film and help him fill his pockets up

out

of the quote, probably because you don't know any better. For someone who
claims to want everyone else to look at all sides of the issues, you

appear

to have a pretty limited view yourself.

His movie has flaws, he didn't tell the whole story, he cut out parts he
didn't like or want to hear, he was VERY biased in his movie.
I am not saying that the Bush administration is without failures, but it
certainly is a hell of a lot better than what we would most likely have had
if Gore had been in office.
Moore is very anti-American and he has taken advantage of the Bush
haters to make himself a very rich man and he knows exactly what buttons to
push.
I simply do not choose to be one of those who puts more money into his
pocket.
And I for one do think that the world is better off without Saddam.

Personal attacks and mere differences in

opinion over the conclusions Moore (and many others -- independently,

might add) has reached does not invalidate the information that was
communicated.

If you are going to be fair about it and look at it from all sides,

problem.

Again, for you to assume that I haven't *already* "looked at it from

all

sides" is very presumptuous on your part. I *have* looked at it from

all

sides. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in debating the issues,

but

does mean that I resent the threat of being told I have to modify my
position to even get you into the game. I don't really care if you do.

. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive

but

nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these cretins

who

appear to feel they have no limits on it.

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Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 02:07:35 PM

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Aah, the true face of the republican party of liars.

lol

Are you saying that the democratic party does not have

liars?

the GOP has just told us yesterday that is is okay for the

lie

congress because there is no law against it --and the GOP

majority

just

sits there and smirks 'yes, just because the administration

threatened

to fire the statistician who had the correct medicare data

gave

to the Congress which requested it doesn't mean there was

any

wrongdoing

-- it isn't against the law to threaten to fire people who

tell

the

truth'

this administration has punished truthtellers consistantly

from

Paul

O'Neil to Shineseki to Clarke to Wilson --- one of their

guiding

principles is not '' it is okay to lie if it isn't against

the

law'

And still no answer to the question.

Are you saying that the Democratic party doesn't have liars?

Of course they do.

Alright then, that is all I was asking.

All people lie sometimes. That's not really the issue.

The issue is, what were the intentions and impacts of the

various

lies?

I'm

sure you're referring to Bill Clinton lying about an

extramarital

affair?

No, I am referring to many lies told to us by Democrats. I have

than

70 alone by Bill Clinton listed.
Politicians lie. Is it right? No, it isn't.
Is it sometimes necessary? That depends, sometimes it may be.

National

Security for example.
But generally, it isn't right for either party to lie. It is our
responsibility to hold them responsible.

Compare that to the lies that took us into an ill-advised and

poorly

planned

war which resulted in the deaths of thousands and the lies in an

attempt

cover up the leaking of a CIA operative's name. Now, you tell

me,

which

worse?

What you are doing is playing into the Bush bashing part. I am

not

playing

into that.
Yes, there were things that were done wrong but we can hold a lot

people

responsible.
Democrats too, agreed Saddam was a threat and needed to be

eliminated.

If you are just going to sit there and bash Bush and play into the

Michael

Moore level..I will not participate.

You know, Osprey, that's not a threat that moves me,

a threat???

particularly. If the

only way you will "play" is if I ignore or don't express what I

believe

be true, then I'd like to ask you to just go away. Don't

participate --

I'm

not interested in negotiating my principals away in order to compel

you

"play".

You want to sit here and bash Bush and ignore the problems that both

parties

have.

In my opinion we are in triage mode. The patient (the U.S.) is dying on

the

table and we have to stop the bleeding before we can do any major

surgery.

Getting Bush and his gang out of the White House is the first step in

saving

the patient and not much else matters right now. I've said it before and
I'll say it again, if Kerry fucks up as bad as Bush did, we'll run him

out

of office in 2008. (Personally, I don't believe it's possible that

*anyone*

could ***** up as badly as Bush, but perhaps that's another argument).

You forget Carter and his administration.

No. I didn't. Carter didn't even come close to disgracing our country the
way Bush has. You think so? Try articulating it.

In my opinion, Bush deserves every bit of bashing he has coming his

way

and

Moore's film is a very accurate depiction of what has been going on

the

country for the past 3.5 years.

Oh yea...the man who has called every American an idiot..and you just

jump

to his film and help him fill his pockets up

out

of the quote, probably because you don't know any better. For someone

who

claims to want everyone else to look at all sides of the issues, you

appear

to have a pretty limited view yourself.

had

if Gore had been in office.
Moore is very anti-American and he has taken advantage of the Bush
haters to make himself a very rich man and he knows exactly what buttons

push.
I simply do not choose to be one of those who puts more money into his
pocket.

So, you didn't see the movie? Again, for someone who came in here with guns
blazing accusing other people of unwillingness to look at "all sides" of an
issue, you seem to have an odd aversion to doing so yourself. Moore himself
has said he doesn't mind if people get for free through the file sharing
networks. That won't put any money in his pocket. Moore's movie was FAR more
factual than ANYTHING you're going to hear on Limbaugh and Hannity's shows
or read in NewsMax. I know this and am in more of a position to make that
determination because I DO pay attention to these and other sources.
I listen to what the right says, quite frequently. I listen to Limbaugh and
Hannity some every week, I watch Fox News, I read some of the right-leaning
online magazines and blogs. Covering your eyes and ears is not the best way
to deal with these issues.
Secondly, you have absolutely no way to accurately guess what might have
been different had Gore been elected. I have my opinions about that, as do
you, but it's really pretty meaningless.

And I for one do think that the world is better off without Saddam.

Personal attacks and mere differences in

opinion over the conclusions Moore (and many others --

independently,

might add) has reached does not invalidate the information that was
communicated.

If you are going to be fair about it and look at it from all

sides,

problem.

Again, for you to assume that I haven't *already* "looked at it from

all

sides" is very presumptuous on your part. I *have* looked at it from

all

sides. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in debating the issues,

but

does mean that I resent the threat of being told I have to modify my
position to even get you into the game. I don't really care if you

do.

. The fact that lying is a particularly unattractive

but

nearly universal trait amongst humans doesn't excuse these

cretins

who

appear to feel they have no limits on it.

User: "Osprey"
Title: Re: Liberal Sam Donaldson Implicated in 3 Murders at Ranch	08 Jul 2004 02:18:53 PM

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